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5 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

Yeah, I know my desktop is harvesting data with the backdoors, but i'm not carrying a desktop around when I leave the house. That's the main difference I see.

 

yes

 

PC's don't seem to create the same bizarre EMF fields that smart phones do either

 

also they are not going to allow you to be targetted contantly by the concentrated beams of the 5G phased arrays which smart phones will

 

as well as tracking devices smart phones are also bugging devices and because everyone now has one on them all the time it means that we are all being listened into all the time whereas that is not the case with PCs that stay in a single room in your house/flat

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1 minute ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

Smartphone use, wireless tech use, harms the user, others nearby, communities with large phone towers, and the environment. There's not an awful lot going for it.

Depends what you want out of it. I’ve learned some things today I didn’t know. 

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The covid scam would not have worked without widespread (almost total) smartphone take-up.

 

Test & Trace. Policing via Twitter on "hate speech" and all the other thought police crap. The media monoploy on the narrative, being enabled by the 77th and compliant goons.

 

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Technology can be a gift or a curse, and the two can be difficult to separate.  Without information technology and the internet, a lot of us here would lack political literacy and understanding of what is going on and we would be ignorant like the majority.  On the other hand, you have to ask: to what extent is Covid-19 actually an information virus and the result of the same technology that gives us this dividend of a democratic information society?

 

My view is that technology should be adopted and used selectively to address needs, but I admit that there is an issue of what and how 'needs' are identified and defined, and by who.  For instance, we have a need for the internet/web that I have just identified, but maybe most of us - myself certainly - did not start using it with that in mind.  We only started using it as a way of addressing our curiosity about subjects.  In my case, I am into astronomy, archaeology and wood and metal crafts and back in the 1990s I was a member of BBSs run by academics discussing astronomy and space subjects and various other obscure subjects and disciplines, including welding, Japanese woodcraft and lots of other things.  That was when the internet was genuinely free, it was largely a thing for students and academics (which I never was - I stumbled into it accidentally), and the content was uncontrolled and interesting and nobody was self-conscious about it.  It was a haven for weirdos, mavericks and outcasts, and it was good.  Yet it wasn't a need that was being addressed - at least, not a need as such.  

 

For me, the genuine usefulness of the internet has only become clear in retrospect.  It's a strange thing.  It's almost like Fate chose me.  I now realise that I have benefited by opening myself up to ideas and discussion with others and as a result, I have received a top-class, if haphazard, political education.  Without that political education, I would be walking round in a mask and making an appointment for a first dose of demon juice.  

 

They say the internet is bad for you in the sense that any non-physical activity is bad for you - I'm not so sure.  It may be bad for you in some ways, but it's good in others.  It's revolutionary.  It's amazing, astonishing, spectacular, almost-unbelievable.  It's like somebody invented a Gutenberg press and coffee shops all-in-one and made it so that anybody with a high-spec telephone line and a few pound to spare each month can access virtually any idea and discussion of practically any topic, if they have the bent of mind to look for it.

 

But I am selective about technology.  On the topic of mobile phones specifically, I can't stand them and have never understood their attraction.  A few years ago I reluctantly gave in and bought one, but I only use it to receive calls or as a fall-back in case I am stuck somewhere or have an emergency.  Same with tablets/androids and these smart phones.  Can't stand them.  Don't see the point of them.  Maybe this is partly why I have not bought into the Covid-19 hysteria?  I am not 'plugged-in'. Or maybe it's the other way round and our personalities and inclinations select us?

 

The internet/web seems like a useful innovation and I think a sane society would have it, albeit it would be confined to academics, scientists and hobbyists and what not; but mobile phones/tablets, etc., seem largely pointless, except in specialised situations, such as emergencies and rescue.  In my opinion, they're a classic example of an invention searching for a need and most of the demand for them seems induced rather than addressing a genuine utility.  I know this because I am old enough to remember the world without them and we all managed fine.

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Just now, Liberty said:

Excuses. 

 

I don't think so. I'm not saying they're not both a danger, just that smart phones are the bigger danger.

 

If California is anything to go by, then they'll crack down on you building your own desktop too, all in the name of consumption. Then we're trapped in closed system devices, like phones, tablets, and games consoles. They know it's harder to modify those than a desktop.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Ergo Storm said:

Technology can be a gift or a curse, and the two can be difficult to separate.  Without information technology and the internet, a lot of us here would lack political literacy and understanding of what is going on and we would be ignorant like the majority.  On the other hand, you have to ask: to what extent is Covid-19 actually an information virus and the result of the same technology that gives us this dividend of a democratic information society?

 

My view is that technology should be adopted and used selectively to address needs, but I admit that there is an issue of what and how 'needs' are identified and defined, and by who.  For instance, we have a need for the internet/web that I have just identified, but maybe most of us - myself certainly - did not start using it with that in mind.  We only started using it as a way of addressing our curiosity about subjects.  In my case, I am into astronomy, archaeology and wood and metal crafts and back in the 1990s I was a member of BBSs run by academics discussing astronomy and space subjects and various other obscure subjects and disciplines, including welding, Japanese woodcraft and lots of other things.  That was when the internet was genuinely free, it was largely a thing for students and academics (which I never was - I stumbled into it accidentally), and the content was uncontrolled and interesting and nobody was self-conscious about it.  It was a haven for weirdos, mavericks and outcasts, and it was good.  Yet it wasn't a need that was being addressed - at least, not a need as such.  

 

For me, the genuine usefulness of the internet has only become clear in retrospect.  It's a strange thing.  It's almost like Fate chose me.  I now realise that I have benefited by opening myself up to ideas and discussion with others and as a result, I have received a top-class, if haphazard, political education.  Without that political education, I would be walking round in a mask and making an appointment for a first dose of demon juice.  

 

They say the internet is bad for you in the sense that any non-physical activity is bad for you - I'm not so sure.  It may be bad for you in some ways, but it's good in others.  It's revolutionary.  It's amazing, astonishing, spectacular, almost-unbelievable.  It's like somebody invented a Gutenberg press and coffee shops all-in-one and made it so that anybody with a high-spec telephone line and a few pound to spare each month can access virtually any idea and discussion of practically any topic, if they have the bent of mind to look for it.

 

But I am selective about technology.  On the topic of mobile phones specifically, I can't stand them and have never understood their attraction.  A few years ago I reluctantly gave in and bought one, but I only use it to receive calls or as a fall-back in case I am stuck somewhere or have an emergency.  Same with tablets/androids and these smart phones.  Can't stand them.  Don't see the point of them.  Maybe this is partly why I have not bought into the Covid-19 hysteria?  I am not 'plugged-in'. Or maybe it's the other way round and our personalities and inclinations select us?

 

The internet/web seems like a useful innovation and I think a sane society would have it, albeit it would be confined to academics, scientists and hobbyists and what not; but mobile phones/tablets, etc., seem largely pointless, except in specialised situations, such as emergencies and rescue.  In my opinion, they're a classic example of an invention searching for a need and most of the demand for them seems induced rather than addressing a genuine utility.  I know this because I am old enough to remember the world without them and we all managed fine.

Out of likes, but great post @Ergo Storm

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3 minutes ago, Liberty said:

Go and live in the woods then


We're all guilty of feeding into the beast in certain ways, but not wanting this stuff doesn't mean we have to live in a bush either. People survived without this stuff years ago, and they didn't all live in the woods.

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7 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:


We're all guilty of feeding into the beast in certain ways, but not wanting them doesn't mean we have to live in a bush either. People survived without this stuff years ago, and they didn't all live in the woods.

 

I agree that you can live a normal, sane life in an average suburban area without being fully part of the system.  The approach I prefer, and the route I have taken, is 'one foot in, one foot out'.  I am still part of the system, but also not part of it.  I am both things.  The main reason for this is pragmatism.  I embarked on this roughly 10 years ago, without any practical skills, and realised that it would take many years of learning and training and reading, and I needed to be realistic.  You don't just go and live in the woods by tomorrow morning, if ever, and it's irresponsible and counter-productive to tell people that is what they should do.

 

However, I also realise that while I have been right about some things, I have been wrong about other things.  My views were normie-ish, albeit at the fringes.  I have never worn a mask and will not submit to the vaccine, but I saw the whole thing as a mistake and believed the virus to be real and that people had exaggerated its risks.  I predicted the vaccinations would be made mandatory but not compulsory, and that is what has occurred so far, yet I am now starting to suspect that things may go further.

 

I now realise there is an organised agenda, that the malignancy is deep, and only just beginning.  This means that, as far as I am concerned, everything is on the table now: even living in the woods. 

 

But I repeat, as the Scouts rightly say: Be Prepared.  

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10 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

I don't think so. I'm not saying they're not both a danger, just that smart phones are the bigger danger.

 

If California is anything to go by, then they'll crack down on you building your own desktop too, all in the name of consumption. Then we're trapped in closed system devices, like phones, tablets, and games consoles. They know it's harder to modify those than a desktop.

 

 

They fizzle children’s brains and adults that play them are weird too. Can’t see why a grown adult would spend their time on those things. But each to his own. 
 

I don’t think it’s a very strong argument pitting two things against each other that you acknowledge are both bad but ones more bad than the other and yet calling for everyone to dump the one you see as worse. 

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8 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:


We're all guilty of feeding into the beast in certain ways, but not wanting this stuff doesn't mean we have to live in a bush either. People survived without this stuff years ago, and they didn't all live in the woods.

Poor signals in the woods. That’s why I say that. 

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2 minutes ago, Liberty said:

They fizzle children’s brains and adults that play them are weird too. Can’t see why a grown adult would spend their time on those things. But each to his own. 
 

I don’t think it’s a very strong argument pitting two things against each other that you acknowledge are both bad but ones more bad than the other and yet calling for everyone to dump the one you see as worse. 

 

You could say the same about the TV goblin that is sitting in most peoples living rooms, and people have been playing games for millennia, but the point isn't about gaming, it's about closed systems, and tablets and phones are just like consoles in that aspect.

 

I still have a smart phone, and I'm not judging you, but I won't pretend they're not problematic.

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16 minutes ago, Liberty said:

Go and live in the woods then

I've been meaning to kip in the woods alone for a night just to build some mental endurence for a shtf type scenario.  It's easy when it's light but when night falls the mind can play tricks.

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52 minutes ago, Liberty said:

You think peoples personal experience of how lockdown and jabs has effected them is droning?  
 

We differ. Because I think they’re the most interesting. 

 

 

I think you misinterpret me....again. But hey keep believing what you believe.. I know what I mean...and you completely miss the point. Yes we differ, in that you refuse to grasp what is actually being said, in favour of your own interpretation. Best we go back to ignoring each other....and thats ok too.

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2 hours ago, Beaujangles said:
non compliance to what aspect of the agenda?
 
you mean refuse the jabs?   YES
 
Most people have already had them -  so we are told!!! 
 
If people wake up based on having the jab and getting a reaction or two or three or if they suddenly have an epiphany, then YES it will mean future refusals.
 
You mean refuse to wear a mask? The elites aren't really bothered about that -
 
I think its a tool they use that has been effective...but many are now refusing to wear.
 
What are you going to do about the digital currency coming that they will get you to pay for things by swiping your smart phone? 
 
PRESUMPTIONS - I dont have a 'Smart phone' - as for digital currency it will only help push people towards other ways to live... and that is a story that could be endless.
 
what about the 5G system that will assimilate peoples smart phones? For as long as you have a smart phone there is a market for 5G wifi....
 
wont affect me...but eventually people will make new choices or be content in the misery. Same as always has happened...but that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about resistance. There are many ways to resist and to survive.
 
What are you going to do about the smart grid that is being increased everytime someone buys a smart phone or a smart Tv or a smart car or meter etc? -
 
I'm not about to become part of a 'matrix'  and again...this is why resistance needs to increase...by way of increasing the pushback.
 
are you going to exercise 'non compliance' and get rid of all the smart devices in your life?       I have no Smart phone
 
no.....you aren't really going to non comply with their system. Really you are going to keep going along with it in many ways and that's why it will keep growing...
 
Stop the passive aggression and holier than thou attitude... we are not here as your peons to be condescending to. You have provided no fantastic solution so why act like you have? I have no Smart phone - you dont know me...so quit with the attempt to demoralize. Its not working!

 

Bang on mate 👍

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12 minutes ago, Ergo Storm said:

 

I agree that you can live a normal, sane life in an average suburban area without being fully part of the system.  The approach I prefer, and the route I have taken, is 'one foot in, one foot out'.  I am still part of the system, but I also not part of it.  I am both things.  The main reason for this is pragmatism.  I embarked on this roughly 10 years ago, without any practical skills, and realised that it would take many years of learning and training and reading, and I needed to be realistic.  You don't just go and live in the woods by tomorrow morning, if ever, and it's irresponsible and counter-productive to tell people that is what they should do.

 

However, I also realise that while I have been right about some things, I have been wrong about other things.  My views were normie-ish, albeit at the fringes.  I have never worn a mask and will not submit to the vaccine, but I saw the whole thing as a mistake and believed the virus to be real but that people had exaggerated its risks.  I predicted the vaccinations would be made mandatory but not compulsory, and that is what has occurred so far, but I am now starting to suspect that things may go further.

 

I now realise there is an organised agenda, that the malignancy is deep, and only just beginning.  This means that, as far as I am concerned, everything is on the table now: even living in the woods. 

 

But I repeat, as the Scouts rightly say: Be Prepared.  

 

Out of reactions.

 

Agreed, and don't worry, I have already made preparations. I have a converted van, but I'm willing to ditch that too if needed. 😄

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15 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

You could say the same about the TV goblin that is sitting in most peoples living rooms, and people have been playing games for millennia, but the point isn't about gaming, it's about closed systems, and tablets and phones are just like consoles in that aspect.

 

I still have a smart phone, and I'm not judging you, but I won't pretend they're not problematic.

I would say the same about a tv. 

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30 minutes ago, Ergo Storm said:

Technology can be a gift or a curse, and the two can be difficult to separate.  Without information technology and the internet, a lot of us here would lack political literacy and understanding of what is going on and we would be ignorant like the majority.  On the other hand, you have to ask: to what extent is Covid-19 actually an information virus and the result of the same technology that gives us this dividend of a democratic information society?

It has been weaponised against us. It comes down to dicipline as well. This is freedom in a way. But it gets complex because human suggestability could come into play and free will with all these algorithyms knocking about. 

 

 Its easy to get a serotonine hit these days whereas the human isn't really evolved for that sort of simulation. If you are constantly pleasuring yourself you become less empowered and ultimately depressed. In the wild you would need to hunt and go through pain. It still applies in our society i.e going through pain and experiencing discomfort, stress and what not. 

 

There has been lots of studies done and people from silicoln valley have even admitted they have created a beast with social media some intentionally designed as a buisness and to get you hooked and some employees unintentially. Its like a casino. People scroll for that rush of dopamine. Even the colours, the red notifications are designed subconciously to give you a rush and signify danger. 

 

A lot of dicipline is needed. 

 

But i think little steps rather than perfection should be something we strive for. Only you know within yourself if it is having an unhealthy impact on you. Its something we all should at least think about on this side of the fence seeing what the msm has done to the masses in regards to the plandemic. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Fluke said:

I've been meaning to kip in the woods alone for a night just to build some mental endurence for a shtf type scenario.  It's easy when it's light but when night falls the mind can play tricks.

Yes I think it would be a bit scary at night.  Might be nice if you had some lanterns hanging from the trees. 

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2 hours ago, Liberty said:

I find my smart phone useful to me. So I shall be keeping it. Does not mean I’m going to integrate myself to the WWW or smart grid. I wouldn’t have a smart metre. 

 

Me too.

 

 People who lump everyone into one group ie smartphone gazing zombies, just come across as self righteous, self opinionated etc.

Bragging about how superior they are because they’ve never had a smart phone etc.

Wish they’d get over themselves.

 

My phone is my only means of connecting to the net, getting information; and buying goods I can’t get wherever I end up.

For the most part it is off; I don’t do social media, never have.

I don’t give two fucks what these self righteous people say; but they do go on.

 

Just as people who go on and on about trying to ‘tell people the truth’ but get abused for it etc; don’t do it then, simple.

 

There are many other ways to get info out there.

 

We don’t need martyrs, and we don’t need division; let people do things their own way; it will turn out ok - or not.

 

Doesnt matter in the long run; it’s just a ride.

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18 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

 

 

I think you misinterpret me....again. But hey keep believing what you believe.. I know what I mean...and you completely miss the point. Yes we differ, in that you refuse to grasp what is actually being said, in favour of your own interpretation. Best we go back to ignoring each other....and thats ok too.

If you’re looking for your stick I think I know where it is. 

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