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Just now, Matistuta said:

I don't know much about the organisers of the protests, but I'm surprised that they've not yet thought to use their impressive attendance numbers to do something along the lines of an Occupy BBC.

 

Nothing will change until the mainstream is forced to give voice to those credentialed people who are offering an alternative expert opinion.

Should be people from the crowd speaking. Who wants to listen to the same people over and over again?  

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Just now, Liberty said:

Should be people from the crowd speaking. Who wants to listen to the same people over and over again?  

 

I think there could be general population input...but not everyone is able to hold the crowd. Maybe there could be a pooling of peoples experiences and give many a 3 - 5 minute timeslot to air their experience and their view. Too much time allocated would not hold the crowd I think.

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21 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

I am saying you are attacking others...

 

everyone here is attacking someones behaviours

 

mostly they are attacking normies for wearing masks or getting the covid jabs

 

all i'm doing is taking things that step further......where it now needs to go (if we are actually going to win)

 

21 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

I am asking you to provide details that you think will save the world.

 

To list off exact steps is a massive topic but i might distill some things down at some point

 

So instead of doing that i'll just stick to principles that can then be applied to everything.

 

I mentioned mark passio earlier in the thread and said i agreed with what he is saying about karma which is that the choices made by individuals all then add up to create the wider situation that we all live in

 

If the choices are bad choices then they all add up to create a bad situation that everyone has to then live in which is their collective karma for the choices that they each made

 

Or to put it as simply as possible: we all suffer for the choices made by individuals

 

I have mentioned as an example of this smart-tech but you can apply it to ANYTHING in our society. For example you could say that if we all choose to watch the mainstream corporate media then we will all end up being brainwashed imbeciles and the elites will continue their crimes in the shadow of our collective ignorance. That horrible world the elites would create would then be the collective karma we would all have to endure for the choices we made as individuals to listen to the wrong people

 

If we as individuals make the choice to engage with the smart-grid then it will grow and before long it will be a complete prison that we will then all find ourselves trapped in as the collective karma for the poor choices that we made as individuals

 

This is at core the PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY argument and the personal responsiblity argument is not popular with the 'looking for a saviour to rescue them' crowd because it means that they themselves will actually have to do some heavy lifting in terms of thinking about whats wrong and whats right and then acting on it instead of having some knight in white armour ride in to rescue them

 

***spoiler alert: there is NO knight in white armour. Its a delusion. There is only enough people taking personal responsibility. Nothing else will work***

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Liberty said:

Should be people from the crowd speaking. Who wants to listen to the same people over and over again?  

 

what about a mass smart phone smashing party?

 

everyone could do a zorba the greek dance and smash the crap put of their smart phones on the tarmac?

 

who's with me? (who is really awake?)

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Just now, Beaujangles said:

 

I think there could be general population input...but not everyone is able to hold the crowd. Maybe there could be a pooling of peoples experiences and give many a 3 - 5 minute timeslot to air their experience and their view. Too much time allocated would not hold the crowd I think.

Again. You’re thinking too much. Individual people and experiences are far more interesting. 
 

I didn’t watch the speeches because I knew what they’d say. So I’m not interested in listening to the same thing over and over again. I’m always interested in individual experiences though. Could watch that all day tbh. 

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27 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i don't have any smart devices no

 

i don't use facebook

 

now those are just two simple examples of many i could give you

 

now imagine if EVERYONE stopped using all smart devices AND facebook tomorrow

 

that would be a drastically different world. How would they build the smart grid without your compliance?

 

How would artificial intelligence gather up all your data points when you weren't constantly feeding them to it?

 

do you see my point?

 

my point is that waving a placard in the street does not take down the smart grid.

 

not using smart devices is what takes down the smart grid

 

Trying to get people to understand and accept that the "modern way of life" with its smartphone-centric design and the damage it is doing to yourself, those around you, and how it is aiding the smart grid, is one of the toughest things. I've spent 15 years, almost, and the resistance and abuse you can get is really quite something.

 

They cause addiction, so it is basically like trying to get an addict off their crack.

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Just now, Macnamara said:

 

what about a mass smart phone smashing party?

 

everyone could do a zorba the greek dance and smash the crap put of their smart phones on the tarmac?

 

who's with me? (who is really awake?)

Have you been drinking or are you just manic today?!

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@Macnamarais right....when I see footage of protests, and people are waving their smartphones around, I mentally tick them off as part of the problem (even if they are doing so through ignorance of the issue). You don't need them to talk (cell phones do less harm if it's really necessary), don't need them to film (cameras exist), and so on. 

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9 minutes ago, Liberty said:

So what about your PC gathering info on you too?  Are you going to give that up? 

 

its not so much the PC i would be concerned about but rather the internet itself

 

i think the internet itself is the neural pathways that the artificial intelligence uses

 

i think its studying us and i use the internet in a very limited way. It would be nice to eliminate it entirely and i probably will have to soon but i don't have a problem against a giant communication network in principle (i'm just worried about what its current application might be)

 

my PC itself isn't smart and i don't use wifi (its harmful radiation)

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1 minute ago, Liberty said:

Should be people from the crowd speaking. Who wants to listen to the same people over and over again?  

Yeah, the rallies are nothing more than preaching to the converted at this stage, and the marches aren't really doing much to convince those who are plugged into the official narrative.

 

UK Column have done great work with their Doctors for Covid Ethics Symposium, but it'll be in vain if they can't find a way to get this information on to a BBC or Sky News broadcast.

 

The unfortunate reality is that the public won't be moved by the truth until they hear it from a designated expert via a legacy media platform, but one major positive is that we do have the first part ready to go.

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3 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

everyone here is attacking someones behaviours

 

mostly they are attacking normies for wearing masks or getting the covid jabs

 

all i'm doing is taking things that step further......where it now needs to go (if we are actually going to win)

 

 

To list off exact steps is a massive topic but i might distill some things down at some point

 

So instead of doing that i'll just stick to principles that can then be applied to everything.

 

I mentioned mark passio earlier in the thread and said i agreed with what he is saying about karma which is that the choices made by individuals all then add up to create the wider situation that we all live in

 

If the choices are bad choices then they all add up to create a bad situation that everyone has to then live in which is their collective karma for the choices that they each made

 

Or to put it as simply as possible: we all suffer for the choices made by individuals

 

I have mentioned as an example of this smart-tech but you can apply it to ANYTHING in our society. For example you could say that if we all choose to watch the mainstream corporate media then we will all end up being brainwashed imbeciles and the elites will continue their crimes in the shadow of our collective ignorance. That horrible world the elites would create would then be the collective karma we would all have to endure for the choices we made as individuals to listen to the wrong people

 

If we as individuals make the choice to engage with the smart-grid then it will grow and before long it will be a complete prison that we will then all find ourselves trapped in as the collective karma for the poor choices that we made as individuals

 

This is at core the PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY argument and the personal responsiblity argument is not popular with the 'looking for a saviour to rescue them' crowd because it means that themselves will actually have to do some heavy lifting in terms of thinking about whats wrong and whats right and then acting on it instead of having some knight in white armour ride in to rescue them

 

***spoiler alert: there is NO knight in white armour. Its a delusion. There is only enough people taking personal responsibility. Nothing else will work***

 

 

 

 

So out of all of that you are just going to put out there about the `Smart Grid`....thats ok... I get that we shouldnt be offering up too much personal info....BUT lets be fair....without something with which to communicate with others en masse we would not be able to effect a major protest or major changes... sometimes you have to grab the beasts horns and steer it where you want it to go... just dont look into its eyes nor show your hand ;-)

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1 minute ago, Liberty said:

Have you been drinking or are you just manic today?!

 

mac organises a mass smart phone smashing event in trafalgar square after inviting all the protest groups and no one shows except a handful of people (who already don't own smart phones)

 

joking aside......there would be very few takers

 

this is important.....i'm trying to highlight a major problem in the protest movement as i currently see it

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6 minutes ago, Liberty said:

Again. You’re thinking too much. Individual people and experiences are far more interesting. 
 

I didn’t watch the speeches because I knew what they’d say. So I’m not interested in listening to the same thing over and over again. I’m always interested in individual experiences though. Could watch that all day tbh. 

 

I have heard people speak...and many cannot put forth a listenable speech. That is what I meant. By limiting time it can be assessed who is capable of helping their fellow man and woman to overcome by way of genuine and listenable speech. Having heard disastrous speeches from those unable to get across what they mean... I think it would be pertinent to at the very least have a degree of fluency....even if a persons story was told by another. Not a case of `thinking too much`more a case of being able to see pitfalls.

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1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

its not so much the PC i would be concerned about but rather the internet itself

 

i think the internet itself is the neural pathways that the artificial intelligence uses

 

i think its studying us and i use the internet in a very limited way. It would be nice to eliminate it entirely and i probably will have to soon but i don't have a problem against a giant communication network in principle (i'm just worried about what its current application might be)

 

my PC itself isn't smart and i don't use wifi (its harmful radiation)

It’s still gathering more info on you. Much more than biometrics. Your thought patterns and thoughts. 
 

You know it’s doing that. We all do yet it is a necessary tool. 

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4 minutes ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

@Macnamarais right....when I see footage of protests, and people are waving their smartphones around, I mentally tick them off as part of the problem (even if they are doing so through ignorance of the issue). You don't need them to talk (cell phones do less harm if it's really necessary), don't need them to film (cameras exist), and so on. 

Oh oh oh, i got one. What about when some lady or kid is being attacked by a Cop while hundreds stand there literally doing nothing but getting a good camera angle. We have seen that multiple times during convid times, it fucking rattles me good.

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3 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

 

I have heard people speak...and many cannot put forth a listenable speech. That is what I meant. By limiting time it can be assessed who is capable of helping their fellow man and woman to overcome by way of genuine and listenable speech.

No. It should not be assessed or controlled. It should be natural and not for you to decide whom is worth the stage or not. 

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20 minutes ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

Trying to get people to understand and accept that the "modern way of life" with its smartphone-centric design and the damage it is doing to yourself, those around you, and how it is aiding the smart grid, is one of the toughest things. I've spent 15 years, almost, and the resistance and abuse you can get is really quite something.

 

They cause addiction, so it is basically like trying to get an addict off their crack.

 

absolutely

 

there were those guys who came out of facebook weren't there and they did kind of an expose about how facebook is deliberately designed to give people a dopamine hit so that facebook can hold their attention for as long as possible

 

im pretty sure they said they didn't allow their own kids to use the very same big tech that they had created for and sold to the general public

 

these are deep problems and i don't hear anyone in the protest movement discussing this. If they say 'we are an anti-lockdown and pro-covid vax choice protest though' i would respond by saying that its all the same beast system

 

i don't think any of it should be seen seperately. It should all be seen within the wider context

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2 minutes ago, Liberty said:

No. It should not be assessed or controlled. It should be natural and not for you to decide whom is worth the stage or not. 

 

 I DO NOT want to decide...thank you for misreading my post. Finding people who have a story to tell... people who can actually relay the story. Thats not controlling its being realistic....or youd have someone up there going on for hours and no one getting the message they are trying to convey....

 

If hundreds of lengthy incomprehensible  `stories`are lined up...the protests will be down to zero in no time at all. 

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5 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

mac organises a mass smart phone smashing event in trafalgar square after inviting all the protest groups and no one shows except a handful of people (who already don't own smart phones)

 

joking aside......there would be very few takers

 

this is important.....i'm trying to highlight a major problem in the protest movement as i currently see it

I know what your trying to say. You are saying that they are not awake and are again just followers but following a different narrative aren’t you?  
 

Well these kinds of shows/rallies suit those sort of people. 
 

That’s entertainment. 

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Just now, Beaujangles said:

 

 I DO NOT want to decide...thank you for misreading my post. Finding people who have a story to tell... people who can actually relay the story. Thats not controlling its being realistic....or youd have someone up there going on for hours and no one getting the message they are trying to convey....

So what. Patience is a virtue.  So is good listening skills. 

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6 minutes ago, Liberty said:

It’s still gathering more info on you. Much more than biometrics. Your thought patterns and thoughts. 
 

You know it’s doing that. We all do yet it is a necessary tool. 

 

are we speaking about the internet now?

 

yes i think they are assessing everything. Language use, thought patterns everything

 

william binney, the NSA whistleblower told people that the NSA was hoovering up all the content of their texts, emails and phone calls....not just meta data but content too and we conspiracy theorists tried to then tell people about this. They called us 'tin foil hate wearing nutjobs' and then snowden came out and told everyone the same thing

 

Now those people who called us tinfoil hat wearing nutjobs pretend that they always knew this

 

every single phone call, every single text, every single email: all being monitored and recorded

 

So yes definately people should take steps on that side of things. The smart grid though is the idea of having EVERYTHING connected wirelessly so that the central artificial intelligence can control everything and everyone

 

That is a very real threat that needs to be headed off and burying our heads in the sand about it is not a viable strategy

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5 minutes ago, Liberty said:

So what. Patience is a virtue.  So is (ARE) good listening skills. 

 

 

For protests to survive and protesters to be many...there needs to be a realistic approach. If you want to stand there listening to droning without purpose. Go for it... I`ll be attending protests where the content is understandable and will welcome anyone with some well told genuine experiences. Each to their own....

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8 minutes ago, Liberty said:

I know what your trying to say. You are saying that they are not awake and are again just followers but following a different narrative aren’t you? 

 

no what i'm really doing is probing peoples ego defence mechanisms to challenge them. I'm laying down a challenge, like a splash of cold water in the face

 

i want them to rise to my challenge and become stronger through that process

 

arguably it is the masculine way: tough love

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