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1 minute ago, ar55 said:

It’s not the elite protests should be targeting - it’s the masses.

 

The elite need the masses on side; protests challenge the elites’ narrative.

 

If they weren’t fussed about protests they’d allow the press to report on them.

Sorry history says otherwise.

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6 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

Speaking to my lady now, and though she agrees with me on many things, her attitude is very much what can I do about it.

In my opinion what we can do from an individual point of view is to(as many have said), be as independent of the system as possible and to spend not one second more with idiots and drainers of energy.

My logic with her was that we can grow as much food as possible. Establish if possible contacts with others who grow their own. Barter is now an option etc.

I have a huge stock of fire ready wood. Now I can boil rain water, heat food, resolve hygiene.

it may be that when things go really tits up, that I only have enough to to survive independently for a few months. But it might buy me more time for a true resistance to arrive.

 It’s regardless a good opportunity to remove all the pointless crap from our lives.

Yes this maybe a way forward,but we will need to unite and push back.

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6 minutes ago, Captainlove said:

Sorry history says otherwise.

History has never seen what we’re currently living through.

 

Coal mines cannot be compared to this - they impacted a minority; this impacts everyone.

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2 minutes ago, Captainlove said:

Yes this maybe a way forward,but we will need to unite and push back.

I agree. Just don’t know the right way to go about it.

imo protests should be held outside media and government office not in big squares and marches.

 Surely the MSM can’t ignore a protest if it stops them getting in/ out of the  the building.

Also the risk of people involved in protests or groups would be impossible to trust as how do you know the people you organise with are who they claim to be?

 

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5 minutes ago, Captainlove said:

The elites dont care a monkeys about protests. There were the coal miners,they still closed the pits. There was the poll tax,still brought in a tax under a different name. The many protests against wars,made no difference they still went to war.

The miners did fight though and they are not forgotten by many of us.

They lost because the government and the media closed ranks and made them villains

This time around we might be spread over a wider area but we are bound by a common loyalty to a cause and that could be our advantage. 

I went to a stand in the park and there wasnt many of us but we were all very different in every way possible.

I am sure it is a big worry to them that they do not have an easily defined target

 

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6 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

I agree. Just don’t know the right way to go about it.

imo protests should be held outside media and government office not in big squares and marches.

 Surely the MSM can’t ignore a protest if it stops them getting in/ out of the  the building.

Also the risk of people involved in protests or groups would be impossible to trust as how do you know the people you organise with are who they claim to be?

 

Yes thats always going to be a problem of infiltration.

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4 minutes ago, TerryH said:

The miners did fight though and they are not forgotten by many of us.

They lost because the government and the media closed ranks and made them villains

This time around we might be spread over a wider area but we are bound by a common loyalty to a cause and that could be our advantage. 

I went to a stand in the park and there wasnt many of us but we were all very different in every way possible.

I am sure it is a big worry to them that they do not have an easily defined target

 

I remember the miners fighting back they were brave,but as you said were destroyed by there own unions.

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UK Conservatives boycott party conference over imperious vaccine passports
https://reclaimthenet.org/uk-conservatives-boycott-party-conference-over-imperious-vaccine-passports/

 

'Key conservative legislators in the UK have confirmed they will not attend the official Conservative Party conference, and instead attend a rival conference in Manchester. The move is in protest of the Conservative-led government’s plans to introduce vaccine passports.'

 

“We can never recover from the pandemic under the shadow of exclusion and authoritarianism. There is a fine line between nudge and coercion and that line has now been crossed with serious consequences.”

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1 minute ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

UK Conservatives boycott party conference over imperious vaccine passports
https://reclaimthenet.org/uk-conservatives-boycott-party-conference-over-imperious-vaccine-passports/

 

'Key conservative legislators in the UK have confirmed they will not attend the official Conservative Party conference, and instead attend a rival conference in Manchester. The move is in protest of the Conservative-led government’s plans to introduce vaccine passports.'

 

“We can never recover from the pandemic under the shadow of exclusion and authoritarianism. There is a fine line between nudge and coercion and that line has now been crossed with serious consequences.”

 

I saw this this morning but didn't get around to posting it.

 

Makes me wonder how many MP's and staffers have been double-jabbed.

 

Maybe all this VaxPass stuff is simply more fear-mongering as MP's who haven't been vaxxed will also be locked out of the same places as us.

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3 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

UK Conservatives boycott party conference over imperious vaccine passports
https://reclaimthenet.org/uk-conservatives-boycott-party-conference-over-imperious-vaccine-passports/

 

'Key conservative legislators in the UK have confirmed they will not attend the official Conservative Party conference, and instead attend a rival conference in Manchester. The move is in protest of the Conservative-led government’s plans to introduce vaccine passports.'

 

“We can never recover from the pandemic under the shadow of exclusion and authoritarianism. There is a fine line between nudge and coercion and that line has now been crossed with serious consequences.”

Well its a start,they are saying the right things.

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1 hour ago, TerryH said:

The miners did fight though and they are not forgotten by many of us.

They lost because the government and the media closed ranks and made them villains

This time around we might be spread over a wider area but we are bound by a common loyalty to a cause and that could be our advantage. 

I went to a stand in the park and there wasnt many of us but we were all very different in every way possible.

I am sure it is a big worry to them that they do not have an easily defined target

 

This is a good documentary to show any normie football fans who still trust the government. It shows how Hillsborough disaster was deliberately engineered to happen by Thatcher govt and how Thatcher's friends profited massively from the situation.

 

Your mention of the miners strike reminded me- same police force sent in to deal with the miners were in charge at Hillsborough I think (South Yorkshire Police)-

 

made by Muad'dib (who was prosecuted in UK over his '7/7 ripple effect' film)

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2 hours ago, Dazzer said:

Check this cunt out... How dare he use the word 'cower' when that's all these fuckers have done for the last 18 months.

 

 

🤦‍♂️ Of course he thanks vaccines, he has to. Otherwise his masters will take him out. 

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12 minutes ago, BossCrow said:

How has Katie Hopkins managed to evade quarantine in Australia and the UK? She was deported 5 days ago back to UK supposedly. But she managed to attend the protest earlier today no problem. Police not interested? Blatant controlled opposition. -

 

Katie Hopkins deported from Australia over quarantine rules

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-57883692

 

I think that was some stunt to make the right look bad. The annoying thing is plenty on the right think she is a twat the same way the left do.

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10 hours ago, Morpheus said:

Exactly, so we've now got to consider that organisers of these protests/rallies whatever you want to call them are co-opted/gatekeepers/controlled opposition. 

 

Unfortunately, it's going to take a grass roots leader, a nobody, no name individual with big fuckin balls. Is he coming? We'll find out. 

 

 

I think it is possible that people do not agree with mainstream and yet are somehow involved with certain acquaintances. Whether or not David Kurtan is controlled opposition...does not mean that the others there are aware. Bottom line for me is that people gathered en masse and showed cohesion. It brings out those who are on our side of truth. The fact that some rats may be coming along for the ride doesn't mean a fail...after all rats are always dealt with and same will be so for any involved in the rallies...let time sift them out. ( the wheat from the chaff)

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Just now, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

I think that was some stunt to make the right look bad. The annoying thing is plenty on the right think she is a twat the same way the left do.

Agreed. There's plenty of others like her as well.

 

Also I think I was wrong about quarantining once back in the UK, looks like you can get through with negative test on arrival from Australia.

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48 minutes ago, ar55 said:

It’s not the elite protests should be targeting - it’s the masses.

 

The elite need the masses on side; protests challenge the elites’ narrative.

 

If they weren’t fussed about protests they’d allow the press to report on them.

Yes. You can look at it two ways....

 

Those protests mentioned above (miners, poll tax, iraq war) maybe didn't stop the thing happening away.

 

But in each of those cases it became very clear, and has passed down as accepted wisdom, that the elites were on the "bad" side in the battle. That the miners were treated badly and brutally, that their cause was a just one. That the poll tax was a step too far (regardless of what happened later in the 90s) and it is still cited as the tipping point of Thatcherism (within the year, she was out). (Of course there's also the counterpoint argument that the Poll Tax riots made the Police, the Gov't and the media toughen up in their approach to making sure the public wouldn't be allowed to protest so strongly again, but anyways).

 

And finally that the Iraq war was the wrong thing, the sexed-up dossier, the Kelly "suicide", the way the Middle East has become what it is...it all fed into the growing realisation by the public that Blair was duping them, and had duped them for years. 

 

Sure, none of these situations actually prevented anything, but they altered and cemented perceptions among the masses that continue now and will be passed down in the future.  And that is perhaps what needs to be done now. The jabbed probably can't be saved, nor can the damage to society thus far. But we can make sure that the future looks back at this period and knows, believes, and accepts that what's being done is wrong and should not have happened.

 

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1 minute ago, BossCrow said:

Agreed. There's plenty of others like her as well.

 

Also I think I was wrong about quarantining once back in the UK, looks like you can get through with negative test on arrival from Australia.

 

Yeah. Many of the left will see that and won't want to be compared with Hopkins for doing similar things that make them look bad, and the same with the right. It's a great way to scare people in my opinion.

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12 minutes ago, BossCrow said:

This is a good documentary to show any normie football fans who still trust the government. It shows how Hillsborough disaster was deliberately engineered to happen by Thatcher govt and how Thatcher's friends profited massively from the situation.

 

Your mention of the miners strike reminded me- same police force sent in to deal with the miners were in charge at Hillsborough I think (South Yorkshire Police)-

 

 

This is another case of how, eventually - with a lot of struggle, suffering and battles against the system - the truth can and will be shown, and accepted by the masses. I would very much doubt anybody now believes the story the police tried to present as facts re: Hillsborough. The extent of the cover-up, the lies, the deliberate shaming and maiming of a section of society held in contempt by the elites....it is no longer wild conspiracies. 

 

All of that feeds into how the police are perceived in today's society. It just takes a lot to expose it and make it palatable and understandable to the public.

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9 minutes ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

Yes. You can look at it two ways....

 

Those protests mentioned above (miners, poll tax, iraq war) maybe didn't stop the thing happening away.

 

But in each of those cases it became very clear, and has passed down as accepted wisdom, that the elites were on the "bad" side in the battle. That the miners were treated badly and brutally, that their cause was a just one. That the poll tax was a step too far (regardless of what happened later in the 90s) and it is still cited as the tipping point of Thatcherism (within the year, she was out). (Of course there's also the counterpoint argument that the Poll Tax riots made the Police, the Gov't and the media toughen up in their approach to making sure the public wouldn't be allowed to protest so strongly again, but anyways).

 

And finally that the Iraq war was the wrong thing, the sexed-up dossier, the Kelly "suicide", the way the Middle East has become what it is...it all fed into the growing realisation by the public that Blair was duping them, and had duped them for years. 

 

Sure, none of these situations actually prevented anything, but they altered and cemented perceptions among the masses that continue now and will be passed down in the future.  And that is perhaps what needs to be done now. The jabbed probably can't be saved, nor can the damage to society thus far. But we can make sure that the future looks back at this period and knows, believes, and accepts that what's being done is wrong and should not have happened.

 

None of those events needed the public’s compliance, though.

 

You can drop bombs on Iraq with zero public agreement; you can’t continue the Covid hoax with zero public agreement.


 

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