Illmatic Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Rossiman said: Great points. I reckon if 20% of the population, national or world, say NO to these 'measures', it's game up for the bastards. Yep, will be like a domino effect. They are probably expecting social unrest and hoping they can handle it, but if they can no longer bully people into submission they are going to be in real trouble. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneantisworthtenofyou Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Conspiracy theorists will be blamed for Christmas getting banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaujangles Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Jack said: I couldnt watch it after a while. Stopped it. Shes out of her depth. Fraud. Anna Brees keeps trying to blame the media for everything...she seems to steer the conversation away from the politicians and those behind them. The media is undoubtedly in bed with the official story...but as part of a collective, along with the governments and shadow government behind it all.. She seems to get very bothered when Jeff Wyatt keeps bringing it back to politicians. Something about her stinks... its a shame he was interviewed by her and not David Icke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaujangles Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) Just happened to look up Tobias Ellwood that Jeff Wyatt mentioned in the Anna Brees interview...after zooming in the face I felt I was looking at a madman... but hey...call it intuition... Edited September 23, 2020 by Beaujangles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaujangles Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 This just popped up in my Facebook feed.. https://www.scarymommy.com/28-year-old-ob-gyn-dies-coronavirus/?utm_source=FB&fbclid=IwAR2SlcWLzUStvKQEKOiY1au49w7HHZfXkFAivUeVLT14mohVuQnJdZjCTic When you read it you see this girl ( If story is true of course) did not die of C19...she died of a brain bleed, thats after being put on a ventilator, given multiple drugs.....you get the picture.... ( Oh and the GoFundMe that tends to follow fake stories) (Her journey through the illness saw the young physician being placed on ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation). It was projected that she would be on ECMO and the ventilator for 6-8 weeks, but ultimately, didn’t survive.) ("Right before her death, Adeline was “doing wonderfully” for a few days but then suffered a massive brain bleed. Her neurosurgeon said she had a “1 in a million” chance of surviving the procedure needed to repair the bleed and even if she lived, she would have “several severe cognitive and sensory limitations.”) (“The doctor said they have seen this type of event in COVID patients that spend time on ECMO. The vascular system is also compromised by the virus, resulting in bleeds. ") ("She went through weeks of respiratory therapies and “was put on dozens of drugs” including an experimental trial.") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneantisworthtenofyou Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 24 minutes ago, Beaujangles said: Anna Brees keeps trying to blame the media for everything...she seems to steer the conversation away from the politicians and those behind them. The media is undoubtedly in bed with the official story...but as part of a collective, along with the governments and shadow government behind it all.. She seems to get very bothered when Jeff Wyatt keeps bringing it back to politicians. Something about her stinks... its a shame he was interviewed by her and not David Icke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolandson Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 All theater. There is a reason why there is in probably every country politicians that are speaking the truth here and there. It should make us believe that he takes care of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolandson Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Prof. Sucharit Bhakti was on TV this week. He explained the Covid test with coins. 1 million is positive,10 thousand negative. What they are doing is the take the sample an make rounds.after 10 rounds you make the the negative test positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just a nice reminder that the paradigm is beginning to shift. Over the past few days I’ve been around friends, colleagues and family face to face. I’ve always been considered the conspiracy guy who has these crazy ideas, but more and more people are asking me what I think is going on because they now know something dodgy is going on. It’s become a running joke now, it only takes roughly 10% of people to change a paradigm, as so many people are now thinking something isn’t right, this is the perfect time to wake people up. They only don’t know the agendas like we do here because they aren’t exposed to that information, i only have to explain a few simple things and now suddenly people are like, wow that makes sense, I understand what’s going on now. A few months ago I got the fluoride state, now I see the brains working. I’m finding the best approach when explaining things is to first off go through the ridiculous fantasy story of how they become suspicious that a new virus was going around... dozens of people getting pneumonia like symptoms in a city of 11million which has polluted air and during flu season, considering that 450 million people get pneumonia a year then dozens getting the symptoms in Wuhan during flu season is expected, it would be diagnosed pneumonia any other year, so not a single person would ever think that a new virus might be going around. Also explaining that the pcr test cannot detect a virus, the fraud in the numbers etc. Then quickly explaining agenda 21, bill gates’ depopulation plan, his damage with vaccines and the cashless currency agenda explaining why they are deliberately destroying the economy. Explaining the whole picture in a quick 5-10 mins really wakes people up. This is an information war and I challenge everyone reading this to try and wake up more people than me, creating the domino effect! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messenger Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) This is good stuff by HighImpactTV. Biden making a fool of himself. Another fool, CDC director Redfield. https://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/director.htm The pro-vaccine vs anti-vaccine psyop where they confuse everyone even more. All your rights and liberties and freedom go out the window, down the drain, if we are all vaccinated. Straight up slavery at that point worse than we have been to usury. This is digital usury. Americans may as well hand over their guns and stop celebrating 4th of July if they are vaccinated. When people ask or mention a mask I reply, that's not a mask, it's a muzzle. I said it to two old ladies today and they moaned. Hey, it's the truth, the masks are not about health, it's about control. Maskers are initiating themselves into a cult of slavery. Edited September 23, 2020 by Messenger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneantisworthtenofyou Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 They really do look like reptiles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messenger Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Seeker said: Just a nice reminder that the paradigm is beginning to shift. Over the past few days I’ve been around friends, colleagues and family face to face. I’ve always been considered the conspiracy guy who has these crazy ideas, but more and more people are asking me what I think is going on because they now know something dodgy is going on. It’s become a running joke now, it only takes roughly 10% of people to change a paradigm, as so many people are now thinking something isn’t right, this is the perfect time to wake people up. They only don’t know the agendas like we do here because they aren’t exposed to that information, i only have to explain a few simple things and now suddenly people are like, wow that makes sense, I understand what’s going on now. A few months ago I got the fluoride state, now I see the brains working. I’m finding the best approach when explaining things is to first off go through the ridiculous fantasy story of how they become suspicious that a new virus was going around... dozens of people getting pneumonia like symptoms in a city of 11million which has polluted air and during flu season, considering that 450 million people get pneumonia a year then dozens getting the symptoms in Wuhan during flu season is expected, it would be diagnosed pneumonia any other year, so not a single person would ever think that a new virus might be going around. Also explaining that the pcr test cannot detect a virus, the fraud in the numbers etc. Then quickly explaining agenda 21, bill gates’ depopulation plan, his damage with vaccines and the cashless currency agenda explaining why they are deliberately destroying the economy. Explaining the whole picture in a quick 5-10 mins really wakes people up. This is an information war and I challenge everyone reading this to try and wake up more people than me, creating the domino effect! I would make sure and mock them a little bit, don't let them off easy Seeker. Edited September 23, 2020 by Messenger 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messenger Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I just listened to this, do any Aussie's know of this reporter? Have you ladies and lads heard of the Victorian economist? Interesting information, his resignation. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamlinn Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, oneantisworthtenofyou said: They really do look like reptiles No, that's an insult to reptiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideforever Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Boris playing a blinder ! Heard an opinion this morning that BoJo's new rules are quite mild, but he talks tough words which appeal to the remainers. Maybe that's a good strategy because those remainers need some food or they won't shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velma Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, oneantisworthtenofyou said: They really do look like reptiles Like father, like son. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jack Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 hours ago, rideforever said: Boris playing a blinder ! Heard an opinion this morning that BoJo's new rules are quite mild, but he talks tough words which appeal to the remainers. Maybe that's a good strategy because those remainers need some food or they won't shut up. His new rules are not mild- this is basically an extension of the 6 month Corona virus act-which means he can implement any draconian rule he sees fit in the next 6 months 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubby1962 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Does anyone think all of this is only temporary...meet the ''next generation'' of facemasks. https://world-journal-online.com/oricshield-2/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral&tblci=GiBbGtik2PNzKlI1oH60AYZs8guJ4S9_gLis8i16MqMYpyCX-1A#tblciGiBbGtik2PNzKlI1oH60AYZs8guJ4S9_gLis8i16MqMYpyCX-1A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FrankVitali Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, kj35 said: Can't wait till this gets some airplay on the radio. brb. time to wash my hands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj35 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) Got this this morning from Facebook.my 'thoughtcrime'? I shared the open letter from Belgian doctors https://docs4opendebate.be/en/open-letter/ Toggle navigationHealth Feedback . Wearing face masks does not cause hypercapnia or affect the immune system 69.5k SHARES ShareTweet CLAIM Wearing face masks can cause carbon dioxide toxicity; can weaken immune system VERDICT DETAILS Incorrect: Face mask filters are small enough to keep out infectious droplets containing viruses, but gas molecules such as carbon dioxide and oxygen can still pass through freely. Healthcare workers who wear masks for long periods of time do not demonstrate significant impairment in work performance, as would be the case if masks did cause hypercapnia. Unsupported: There is no scientific evidence supporting the claim that the use of face masks weakens the immune system. KEY TAKE AWAY Face masks help to limit contact with infectious droplets which carry pathogens. However, the material used for face masks are still porous enough to allow gas molecules, such as carbon dioxide and oxygen, to pass through, and do not significantly impair gas exchange to the point of causing hypercapnia. No scientific evidence supports the claim that the use of face masks weakens the immune system. FULL CLAIM: Wearing face masks can cause carbon dioxide toxicity; can weaken immune system SUMMARY This claim circulated on Facebook in late April 2020 in the form of posts suggesting that wearing face masks can lead to hypercapnia, or excessive carbon dioxide levels in the blood due to “rebreathing your own CO2”, accompanied by images like this one. Other posts, like this one, further claim that the resulting hypercapnia also “weakens the immune system”. Posts making a similar claim about the immune system have also cited Judy Mikovits, who claimed that “masks will hamper oxygen intake” and reduce immunity. The claim does not specify which types of face masks it refers to. In healthcare settings, the two main types of masks used are surgical masks and N95 masks. N95 masks, named for their ability to filter out at least 95% of airborne particles, are also called respirators. Of the two, N95 masks have a tighter fit and thus provide more protection than surgical masks. The purpose of these masks is to reduce contact with infectious droplets (aerosols), which can be generated by someone who coughs or sneezes, and thereby minimize the risk of infection transmission. These masks have become of particular importance given the COVID-19 pandemic. While it is true that hypercapnia can be life-threatening, the claim that it can be caused by wearing face masks, either surgical masks or respirators, is unsupported and runs contrary to existing evidence. The masks act as a barrier to keep out aerosols, but the materials used are still porous enough to allow gas molecules like carbon dioxide and oxygen to pass through, which are many times smaller than viruses. The size of a carbon dioxide molecule is estimated at about 230 picometers. In contrast, SARS-CoV-2, the causative agent for COVID-19, is about 60 to 140 nanometers[1], which is about 260 to 600 times larger. Sofia Morra, a cardiologist at the Erasme University Hospital in Brussels, explained to Health Feedback, “Wearing a surgical mask for short periods of time does not impact significantly physiological respiratory variables[2] and thus, whenever a rise in CO2 occurs in the ‘dead space’ of the mask, it is unlikely that the magnitude of this increase would be sufficient to to impair immune, neurological, or cardiovascular homeostasis.” The claim is also clearly contradicted by empirical evidence. Healthcare workers wear both types of masks for long hours at work without reported impacts to their work performance. Hypercapnia causes symptoms such as dizziness, confusion, and loss of consciousness, which would have occurred had they been affected by CO2 toxicity. Victoria Forster, a cancer researcher at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto stated the same in this Forbes article: “Take surgeons, for example—during long procedures, they wear surgical masks for hours with no ill-effects on their carbon dioxide levels. Having a surgeon with an altered mental state would not be in the best interests of either the patient or the surgeon and thankfully, this simply does not happen.” The claim that wearing masks would weaken the immune system is also unsupported by scientific evidence. Prolonged wearing of face masks can cause problems such as discomfort, skin irritation, and even pressure ulcers[3], however immunodeficiency is not among the problems caused by prolonged face mask use. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have stressed that the use of surgical masks and N95 respirators are best reserved for healthcare workers due to limited supply, although it encourages the general public to use cloth masks in public spaces. These have a much looser fit compared to surgical masks and respirators, and are much more porous, making cloth masks even less likely to cause hypercapnia as stated in the claim. However, the CDC does caution that “Cloth face coverings should not be placed on young children under age 2, anyone who has trouble breathing, or is unconscious, incapacitated, or otherwise unable to remove the mask without assistance.” Furthermore, those who decide to use a mask should also exercise caution when removing the mask, as infectious aerosols may potentially contaminate the external and internal surfaces. The U.S. CDC has advised that cloth masks should be regularly washed, and that individuals should wash their hands and avoid touching their eyes, nose and mouth after removing their mask. A much more likely cause of hypercapnia and asphyxia that the general public should be aware of is covering one’s face with plastic. Because plastic is not porous enough to allow for quick air exchange, unlike face masks, it poses a genuine suffocation risk as cases in the past have demonstrated, and warning labels on plastic bags are used to remind people of this risk. In summary, it is extremely unlikely that wearing a mask could lead to an increase in carbon dioxide within the area between the mask and face to the extent of causing hypercapnia. While face masks can keep out infectious aerosols, they are porous enough to allow oxygen intake and allow the escape of carbon dioxide. The idea that wearing face masks weakens the immune system is not supported by scientific evidence. This article published on The Conversation illustrates how wearing even a cloth face covering can help to limit the spread of COVID-19 by blocking infectious droplets, which is the main mode of disease transmission. CORRECTION (25 Jun. 2020): We previously stated that “The size of a carbon dioxide molecule is estimated at about 230 picometers. In contrast, SARS-CoV-2, the causative agent for COVID-19, is about 60 to 140 nanometer, which is at least 10,000 times larger.” This is incorrect; SARS-CoV-2 is about 260 to 600 times larger than a carbon dioxide molecule. SCIENTISTS’ FEEDBACK Sofia Morra, Cardiologist, Erasme University Hospital, Université Libre de Bruxelles: In this unprecedented time, as SARS-CoV-2 has brought the world to a standstill and strained healthcare systems worldwide, Facebook posts claiming that wearing a face mask can cause carbon dioxide toxicity and weaken the immune system, are spreading, let’s say, as fast as the virus. Posts that make statements such as: “Masks inhibit oxygen intake and increase CO2 intake, lowering efficiency of the human immune system, and do not stop viruses” or “Hypercapnia can be caused by rebreathing your own exhaled CO2 by wearing a mask continuously” can be found more and more on the Web. It is unfortunate that these posts are not supported by rigorous scientific evidence. Indeed, wearing a surgical mask for short periods of time does not impact significantly physiological respiratory variables[2] and thus, whenever a rise in CO2 occurs in the “dead space” of the mask, it is unlikely that the magnitude of this increase would be sufficient to impair immune, neurological, or cardiovascular homeostasis. Further large-scale studies are required to verify the effect of wearing a mask for a longer period: indeed, while one possible outcome of wearing face masks is the retention of carbon dioxide, another possible outcome could be excessive ventilation leading to hypocapnia, that is, a state of reduced carbon dioxide in the blood. Until these studies are available, making such claims without supporting scientific evidence is hazardous and dangerous, especially in this very historical moment. READ MORE This claim has been fact-checked by Snopes and Africa Check. Snopes rated it “Mostly False” while Africa Check concluded that “No, face masks don’t reduce oxygen in blood—and won’t kill you.” REFERENCES 1 – Zhu et al. (2020) A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China, 2019. New England Journal of Medicine. 2 – Roberge et al. (2010) Surgical mask placement over N95 filtering facepiece respirators: physiological effects on healthcare workers. Respirology. 2010. 3 – Gefen et al. (2020) Device-related pressure ulcers: SECURE prevention. Journal of Wound Care. Coronavirus COVID-19 Face mask SARS-CoV-2 Published on: 13 May 2020 | Editor: Flora Teoh Health Feedback is a non-partisan, non-profit organization dedicated to science education. Our reviews are crowdsourced directly from a community of scientists with relevant expertise. We strive to explain whether and why information is or is not consistent with the science and to help readers know which news to trust. Please get in touch if you have any comment or think there is an important claim or article that would need to be reviewed. Search for: Search Stay informed Get email news updates: Follow us: Method See how we rate claims Reviewers Sofia Morra Cardiologist, Erasme University Hospital, Université Libre de Bruxelles Editor Flora Teoh Science Editor, Health Feedback Support our work We depend on your support to operate. Help us create a more trustworthy Internet! 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Ziggy Sawdust Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Ian Brown tweeted this 2 hours ago: "A survival rate of 99.9% and they are into our work life home life social life school life love life garden, back yard your body your wife and kid's bodies AND THATS OK?" Oh, and while on the subject of Ian Brown, add the NME to the establishment shit list. https://www.nme.com/features/ian-browns-red-pill-rock-is-the-dumbest-protest-genre-ever-2757248 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj35 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Here is the letter in full as it is rapidly being deleted in English Skip to content Main Menu Open letter from medical doctors and health professionals to all belgian authorities and all belgian media. September 5th 2020 We, Belgian doctors and health professionals, wish to express our serious concern about the evolution of the situation in the recent months surrounding the outbreak of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. We call on politicians to be independently and critically informed in the decision-making process and in the compulsory implementation of corona-measures. We ask for an open debate, where all experts are represented without any form of censorship. After the initial panic surrounding covid-19, the objective facts now show a completely different picture – there is no medical justification for any emergency policy anymore. The current crisis management has become totally disproportionate and causes more damage than it does any good. We call for an end to all measures and ask for an immediate restoration of our normal democratic governance and legal structures and of all our civil liberties. ‘A cure must not be worse than the problem’ is a thesis that is more relevant than ever in the current situation. We note, however, that the collateral damage now being caused to the population will have a greater impact in the short and long term on all sections of the population than the number of people now being safeguarded from corona. In our opinion, the current corona measures and the strict penalties for non-compliance with them are contrary to the values formulated by the Belgian Supreme Health Council, which, until recently, as the health authority, has always ensured quality medicine in our country: “Science – Expertise – Quality – Impartiality – Independence – Transparency”. 1 We believe that the policy has introduced mandatory measures that are not sufficiently scientifically based, unilaterally directed, and that there is not enough space in the media for an open debate in which different views and opinions are heard. In addition, each municipality and province now has the authorisation to add its own measures, whether well-founded or not. Moreover, the strict repressive policy on corona strongly contrasts with the government’s minimal policy when it comes to disease prevention, strengthening our own immune system through a healthy lifestyle, optimal care with attention for the individual and investment in care personnel.2 The concept of health In 1948, the WHO defined health as follows: ‘Health is a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or other physical impairment’.3 Health, therefore, is a broad concept that goes beyond the physical and also relates to the emotional and social well-being of the individual. Belgium also has a duty, from the point of view of subscribing to fundamental human rights, to include these human rights in its decision-making when it comes to measures taken in the context of public health. 4 The current global measures taken to combat SARS-CoV-2 violate to a large extent this view of health and human rights. Measures include compulsory wearing of a mask (also in open air and during sporting activities, and in some municipalities even when there are no other people in the vicinity), physical distancing, social isolation, compulsory quarantine for some groups and hygiene measures. The predicted pandemic with millions of deaths At the beginning of the pandemic, the measures were understandable and widely supported, even if there were differences in implementation in the countries around us. The WHO originally predicted a pandemic that would claim 3.4% victims, in other words millions of deaths, and a highly contagious virus for which no treatment or vaccine was available. This would put unprecedented pressure on the intensive care units (ICUs) of our hospitals. This led to a global alarm situation, never seen in the history of mankind: “flatten the curve” was represented by a lockdown that shut down the entire society and economy and quarantined healthy people. Social distancing became the new normal in anticipation of a rescue vaccine. The facts about covid-19 Gradually, the alarm bell was sounded from many sources: the objective facts showed a completely different reality. 5 6 The course of covid-19 followed the course of a normal wave of infection similar to a flu season. As every year, we see a mix of flu viruses following the curve: first the rhinoviruses, then the influenza A and B viruses, followed by the coronaviruses. There is nothing different from what we normally see. The use of the non-specific PCR test, which produces many false positives, showed an exponential picture. This test was rushed through with an emergency procedure and was never seriously self-tested. The creator expressly warned that this test was intended for research and not for diagnostics.7 The PCR test works with cycles of amplification of genetic material – a piece of genome is amplified each time. Any contamination (e.g. other viruses, debris from old virus genomes) can possibly result in false positives.8 The test does not measure how many viruses are present in the sample. A real viral infection means a massive presence of viruses, the so-called virus load. If someone tests positive, this does not mean that that person is actually clinically infected, is ill or is going to become ill. Koch’s postulate was not fulfilled (“The pure agent found in a patient with complaints can provoke the same complaints in a healthy person”). Since a positive PCR test does not automatically indicate active infection or infectivity, this does not justify the social measures taken, which are based solely on these tests. 9 10 Lockdown. If we compare the waves of infection in countries with strict lockdown policies to countries that did not impose lockdowns (Sweden, Iceland …), we see similar curves. So there is no link between the imposed lockdown and the course of the infection. Lockdown has not led to a lower mortality rate. If we look at the date of application of the imposed lockdowns we see that the lockdowns were set after the peak was already over and the number of cases decreasing. The drop was therefore not the result of the taken measures. 11 As every year, it seems that climatic conditions (weather, temperature and humidity) and growing immunity are more likely to reduce the wave of infection. Our immune system For thousands of years, the human body has been exposed daily to moisture and droplets containing infectious microorganisms (viruses, bacteria and fungi). The penetration of these microorganisms is prevented by an advanced defence mechanism – the immune system. A strong immune system relies on normal daily exposure to these microbial influences. Overly hygienic measures have a detrimental effect on our immunity. 12 13 Only people with a weak or faulty immune system should be protected by extensive hygiene or social distancing. Influenza will re-emerge in the autumn (in combination with covid-19) and a possible decrease in natural resilience may lead to further casualties. Our immune system consists of two parts: a congenital, non-specific immune system and an adaptive immune system. The non-specific immune system forms a first barrier: skin, saliva, gastric juice, intestinal mucus, vibratory hair cells, commensal flora, … and prevents the attachment of micro-organisms to tissue. If they do attach, macrophages can cause the microorganisms to be encapsulated and destroyed. The adaptive immune system consists of mucosal immunity (IgA antibodies, mainly produced by cells in the intestines and lung epithelium), cellular immunity (T-cell activation), which can be generated in contact with foreign substances or microorganisms, and humoral immunity (IgM and IgG antibodies produced by the B cells). Recent research shows that both systems are highly entangled. It appears that most people already have a congenital or general immunity to e.g. influenza and other viruses. This is confirmed by the findings on the cruise ship Diamond Princess, which was quarantined because of a few passengers who died of Covid-19. Most of the passengers were elderly and were in an ideal situation of transmission on the ship. However, 75% did not appear to be infected. So even in this high-risk group, the majority are resistant to the virus. A study in the journal Cell shows that most people neutralise the coronavirus by mucosal (IgA) and cellular immunity (T-cells), while experiencing few or no symptoms 14. Researchers found up to 60% SARS-Cov-2 reactivity with CD4+T cells in a non-infected population, suggesting cross-reactivity with other cold (corona) viruses.15 Most people therefore already have a congenital or cross-immunity because they were already in contact with variants of the same virus. The antibody formation (IgM and IgG) by B-cells only occupies a relatively small part of our immune system. This may explain why, with an antibody percentage of 5-10%, there may be a group immunity anyway. The efficacy of vaccines is assessed precisely on the basis of whether or not we have these antibodies. This is a misrepresentation. Most people who test positive (PCR) have no complaints. Their immune system is strong enough. Strengthening natural immunity is a much more logical approach. Prevention is an important, insufficiently highlighted pillar: healthy, full-fledged nutrition, exercise in fresh air, without a mask, stress reduction and nourishing emotional and social contacts. Consequences of social isolation on physical and mental health Social isolation and economic damage led to an increase in depression, anxiety, suicides, intra-family violence and child abuse.16 Studies have shown that the more social and emotional commitments people have, the more resistant they are to viruses. It is much more likely that isolation and quarantine have fatal consequences. 17 The isolation measures have also led to physical inactivity in many older people due to their being forced to stay indoors. However, sufficient exercise has a positive effect on cognitive functioning, reducing depressive complaints and anxiety and improving physical health, energy levels, well-being and, in general, quality of life.18 Fear, persistent stress and loneliness induced by social distancing have a proven negative influence on psychological and general health. 19 A highly contagious virus with millions of deaths without any treatment? Mortality turned out to be many times lower than expected and close to that of a normal seasonal flu (0.2%). 20 The number of registered corona deaths therefore still seems to be overestimated. There is a difference between death by corona and death with corona. Humans are often carriers of multiple viruses and potentially pathogenic bacteria at the same time. Taking into account the fact that most people who developed serious symptoms suffered from additional pathology, one cannot simply conclude that the corona-infection was the cause of death. This was mostly not taken into account in the statistics. The most vulnerable groups can be clearly identified. The vast majority of deceased patients were 80 years of age or older. The majority (70%) of the deceased, younger than 70 years, had an underlying disorder, such as cardiovascular suffering, diabetes mellitus, chronic lung disease or obesity. The vast majority of infected persons (>98%) did not or hardly became ill or recovered spontaneously. Meanwhile, there is an affordable, safe and efficient therapy available for those who do show severe symptoms of disease in the form of HCQ (hydroxychloroquine), zinc and AZT (azithromycin). Rapidly applied this therapy leads to recovery and often prevents hospitalisation. Hardly anyone has to die now. This effective therapy has been confirmed by the clinical experience of colleagues in the field with impressive results. This contrasts sharply with the theoretical criticism (insufficient substantiation by double-blind studies) which in some countries (e.g. the Netherlands) has even led to a ban on this therapy. A meta-analysis in The Lancet, which could not demonstrate an effect of HCQ, was withdrawn. The primary data sources used proved to be unreliable and 2 out of 3 authors were in conflict of interest. However, most of the guidelines based on this study remained unchanged … 48 49 We have serious questions about this state of affairs. In the US, a group of doctors in the field, who see patients on a daily basis, united in “America’s Frontline Doctors” and gave a press conference which has been watched millions of times.21 51 French Prof Didier Raoult of the Institut d’Infectiologie de Marseille (IHU) also presented this promising combination therapy as early as April. Dutch GP Rob Elens, who cured many patients in his practice with HCQ and zinc, called on colleagues in a petition for freedom of therapy.22 The definitive evidence comes from the epidemiological follow-up in Switzerland: mortality rates compared with and without this therapy.23 From the distressing media images of ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome) where people were suffocating and given artificial respiration in agony, we now know that this was caused by an exaggerated immune response with intravascular coagulation in the pulmonary blood vessels. The administration of blood thinners and dexamethasone and the avoidance of artificial ventilation, which was found to cause additional damage to lung tissue, means that this dreaded complication, too, is virtually not fatal anymore. 47 It is therefore not a killer virus, but a well-treatable condition. Propagation Spreading occurs by drip infection (only for patients who cough or sneeze) and aerosols in closed, unventilated rooms. Contamination is therefore not possible in the open air. Contact tracing and epidemiological studies show that healthy people (or positively tested asymptomatic carriers) are virtually unable to transmit the virus. Healthy people therefore do not put each other at risk. 24 25 Transfer via objects (e.g. money, shopping or shopping trolleys) has not been scientifically proven.26 27 28 All this seriously calls into question the whole policy of social distancing and compulsory mouth masks for healthy people – there is no scientific basis for this. Masks Oral masks belong in contexts where contacts with proven at-risk groups or people with upper respiratory complaints take place, and in a medical context/hospital-retirement home setting. They reduce the risk of droplet infection by sneezing or coughing. Oral masks in healthy individuals are ineffective against the spread of viral infections. 29 30 31 Wearing a mask is not without side effects. 32 33 Oxygen deficiency (headache, nausea, fatigue, loss of concentration) occurs fairly quickly, an effect similar to altitude sickness. Every day we now see patients complaining of headaches, sinus problems, respiratory problems and hyperventilation due to wearing masks. In addition, the accumulated CO2 leads to a toxic acidification of the organism which affects our immunity. Some experts even warn of an increased transmission of the virus in case of inappropriate use of the mask.34 Our Labour Code (Codex 6) refers to a CO2 content (ventilation in workplaces) of 900 ppm, maximum 1200 ppm in special circumstances. After wearing a mask for one minute, this toxic limit is considerably exceeded to values that are three to four times higher than these maximum values. Anyone who wears a mask is therefore in an extreme poorly ventilated room. 35 Inappropriate use of masks without a comprehensive medical cardio-pulmonary test file is therefore not recommended by recognised safety specialists for workers. Hospitals have a sterile environment in their operating rooms where staff wear masks and there is precise regulation of humidity / temperature with appropriately monitored oxygen flow to compensate for this, thus meeting strict safety standards. 36 A second corona wave? A second wave is now being discussed in Belgium, with a further tightening of the measures as a result. However, closer examination of Sciensano’s figures37 shows that, although there has been an increase in the number of infections since mid-July, there was no increase in hospital admissions or deaths at that time. It is therefore not a second wave of corona, but a so-called “case chemistry” due to an increased number of tests. 50 The number of hospital admissions or deaths showed a shortlasting minimal increase in recent weeks, but in interpreting it, we must take into account the recent heatwave. In addition, the vast majority of the victims are still in the population group >75 years. This indicates that the proportion of the measures taken in relation to the working population and young people is disproportionate to the intended objectives. The vast majority of the positively tested “infected” persons are in the age group of the active population, which does not develop any or merely limited symptoms, due to a well-functioning immune system. So nothing has changed – the peak is over. Strengthening a prevention policy The corona measures form a striking contrast to the minimal policy pursued by the government until now, when it comes to well-founded measures with proven health benefits such as the sugar tax, the ban on (e-)cigarettes and making healthy food, exercise and social support networks financially attractive and widely accessible. It is a missed opportunity for a better prevention policy that could have brought about a change in mentality in all sections of the population with clear results in terms of public health. At present, only 3% of the health care budget goes to prevention. 2 The Hippocratic Oath As a doctor, we took the Hippocratic Oath: “I will above all care for my patients, promote their health and alleviate their suffering”. “I will inform my patients correctly.” “Even under pressure, I will not use my medical knowledge for practices that are against humanity.” The current measures force us to act against this oath. Other health professionals have a similar code. The ‘primum non nocere’, which every doctor and health professional assumes, is also undermined by the current measures and by the prospect of the possible introduction of a generalised vaccine, which is not subject to extensive prior testing. Vaccine Survey studies on influenza vaccinations show that in 10 years we have only succeeded three times in developing a vaccine with an efficiency rate of more than 50%. Vaccinating our elderly appears to be inefficient. Over 75 years of age, the efficacy is almost non-existent.38 Due to the continuous natural mutation of viruses, as we also see every year in the case of the influenza virus, a vaccine is at most a temporary solution, which requires new vaccines each time afterwards. An untested vaccine, which is implemented by emergency procedure and for which the manufacturers have already obtained legal immunity from possible harm, raises serious questions. 39 40 We do not wish to use our patients as guinea pigs. On a global scale, 700 000 cases of damage or death are expected as a result of the vaccine.41 If 95% of people experience Covid-19 virtually symptom-free, the risk of exposure to an untested vaccine is irresponsible. The role of the media and the official communication plan Over the past few months, newspaper, radio and TV makers seemed to stand almost uncritically behind the panel of experts and the government, there, where it is precisely the press that should be critical and prevent one-sided governmental communication. This has led to a public communication in our news media, that was more like propaganda than objective reporting. In our opinion, it is the task of journalism to bring news as objectively and neutrally as possible, aimed at finding the truth and critically controlling power, with dissenting experts also being given a forum in which to express themselves. This view is supported by the journalistic codes of ethics.42 The official story that a lockdown was necessary, that this was the only possible solution, and that everyone stood behind this lockdown, made it difficult for people with a different view, as well as experts, to express a different opinion. Alternative opinions were ignored or ridiculed. We have not seen open debates in the media, where different views could be expressed. We were also surprised by the many videos and articles by many scientific experts and authorities, which were and are still being removed from social media. We feel that this does not fit in with a free, democratic constitutional state, all the more so as it leads to tunnel vision. This policy also has a paralysing effect and feeds fear and concern in society. In this context, we reject the intention of censorship of dissidents in the European Union! 43 The way in which Covid-19 has been portrayed by politicians and the media has not done the situation any good either. War terms were popular and warlike language was not lacking. There has often been mention of a ‘war’ with an ‘invisible enemy’ who has to be ‘defeated’. The use in the media of phrases such as ‘care heroes in the front line’ and ‘corona victims’ has further fuelled fear, as has the idea that we are globally dealing with a ‘killer virus’. The relentless bombardment with figures, that were unleashed on the population day after day, hour after hour, without interpreting those figures, without comparing them to flu deaths in other years, without comparing them to deaths from other causes, has induced a real psychosis of fear in the population. This is not information, this is manipulation. We deplore the role of the WHO in this, which has called for the infodemic (i.e. all divergent opinions from the official discourse, including by experts with different views) to be silenced by an unprecedented media censorship.43 44 We urgently call on the media to take their responsibilities here! We demand an open debate in which all experts are heard. Emergency law versus Human Rights The general principle of good governance calls for the proportionality of government decisions to be weighed up in the light of the Higher Legal Standards: any interference by government must comply with the fundamental rights as protected in the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). Interference by public authorities is only permitted in crisis situations. In other words, discretionary decisions must be proportionate to an absolute necessity. The measures currently taken concern interference in the exercise of, among other things, the right to respect of private and family life, freedom of thought, conscience and religion, freedom of expression and freedom of assembly and association, the right to education, etc., and must therefore comply with fundamental rights as protected by the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). For example, in accordance with Article 8(2) of the ECHR, interference with the right to private and family life is permissible only if the measures are necessary in the interests of national security, public safety, the economic well-being of the country, the protection of public order and the prevention of criminal offences, the protection of health or the protection of the rights and freedoms of others, the regulatory text on which the interference is based must be sufficiently clear, foreseeable and proportionate to the objectives pursued.45 The predicted pandemic of millions of deaths seemed to respond to these crisis conditions, leading to the establishment of an emergency government. Now that the objective facts show something completely different, the condition of inability to act otherwise (no time to evaluate thoroughly if there is an emergency) is no longer in place. Covid-19 is not a cold virus, but a well treatable condition with a mortality rate comparable to the seasonal flu. In other words, there is no longer an insurmountable obstacle to public health. There is no state of emergency. Immense damage caused by the current policies An open discussion on corona measures means that, in addition to the years of life gained by corona patients, we must also take into account other factors affecting the health of the entire population. These include damage in the psychosocial domain (increase in depression, anxiety, suicides, intra-family violence and child abuse)16 and economic damage. If we take this collateral damage into account, the current policy is out of all proportion, the proverbial use of a sledgehammer to crack a nut. We find it shocking that the government is invoking health as a reason for the emergency law. As doctors and health professionals, in the face of a virus which, in terms of its harmfulness, mortality and transmissibility, approaches the seasonal influenza, we can only reject these extremely disproportionate measures. We therefore demand an immediate end to all measures. We are questioning the legitimacy of the current advisory experts, who meet behind closed doors. Following on from ACU 2020 46 https://acu2020.org/nederlandse-versie/ we call for an in-depth examination of the role of the WHO and the possible influence of conflicts of interest in this organisation. It was also at the heart of the fight against the “infodemic”, i.e. the systematic censorship of all dissenting opinions in the media. This is unacceptable for a democratic state governed by the rule of law.43 Distribution of this letter We would like to make a public appeal to our professional associations and fellow carers to give their opinion on the current measures. We draw attention to and call for an open discussion in which carers can and dare to speak out. With this open letter, we send out the signal that progress on the same footing does more harm than good, and call on politicians to inform themselves independently and critically about the available evidence – including that from experts with different views, as long as it is based on sound science – when rolling out a policy, with the aim of promoting optimum health. 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The impact of immunosenescence on humoral immune response variation after influenza A/H1N1 vaccination in older subjects. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26044074/ Global vaccine safety summit WHO 2019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJXXDLGKmPg No liability manufacturers vaccines https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200804_95956456?fbclid=IwAR0IgiA-6sNVQvE8rMC6O5Gq5xhOulbcN1BhdI7Rw-7eq_pRtJDCxde6SQI https://www.newsbreak.com/news/1572921830018/bill-gates-admits-700000-people-will-be-harmed-or-killed-by-his-covid-19-solution Journalistic code https://www.rvdj.be/node/63 Disinformation related to COVID-19 approaches European Commission EurLex, juni 2020 (this file will not damage your computer) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30461-X/fulltext http://www.raadvst-consetat.be/dbx/adviezen/67142.pdf#search=67.142 https://acu2020.org/ https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S0049384820303297?token=9718E5413AACDE0D14A3A0A56A89A3EF744B5A201097F4459AE565EA5EDB222803FF46D7C6CD3419652A215FDD2C874F https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext There is no revival of the pandemic, but a so-called casedemic due to more testing. https://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/crucial-viewing-understanding-covid-19-casedemic1 https://docs4opendebate.be/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/white-paper-on-hcq-from-AFD.pdf Teken de open brief Copyright © 2020 Docs4opendebate - Update: 21/09/2020 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatdayforfreedom Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 12 hours ago, Jack said: I couldnt watch it after a while. Stopped it. Shes out of her depth. Fraud. Why does she look so angry when he's speaking? I get the impression she didn't like him speaking all these facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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