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2 hours ago, DarianF said:

Provisional"immunocompromised

 

Ask a pregnant woman, "is the vaccine safe for pregnant women?" No doubt she will answer, "of course it is!"

 

Ask a couple trying to have a baby, "will the vaccine effect fertility?" No doubt they will answer, "of course not!"

 

Ask an immunocompromised person, "is the vaccine safe for immunocompromised people?" No doubt they will answer, "well of course it is, the government wouldn't approve it otherwise!"

 

However...

 

I bet the pregnant woman doesn't know the TGA has stated: "As a precautionary measure, vaccination with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca is not recommended during pregnancy" [TGA, p. 5].

 

I bet the couple doesn't know the TGA has stated: "It is unknown whether COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca may impact fertility. No data are available" [TGA, p. 5]

 

I bet the immunocompromised person doesn't know the TGA has stated: "The immunogenicity, efficacy and safety of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca has not been assessed in immunocompromised individuals" [TGA, p. 4].

 

And I bet not a single one of these idiots is aware that not a single Covid vaccine has anything more than "provisional approval" from the TGA. Do they even know what the word "Provisional" means?

 

Idiots. They deserve what they get.

I agree with you completely brother. It is up to oneself to take care of oneself, no one else will do it for you. Some may help, some may not, but at the end of the day, our life is our duty and responsibility.

 

All people who took vaccines and willingly wear masks are imbeciles, it's as simple as that.

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13 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

True enough. And if you don't think you need to research because you misguidedly think the government and press are doing what they are paid to do, you don't deserve to get cerebral palsy / blood clots / inflamed heart / any of the other known side effects that we've heard of to date. I don't care what anyone says, if anyone thinks it's deserved, I think you're warped.

 

In the age of information, ignorance is a choice.

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1 hour ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

If the government and media devote infinite energy to telling you it's not only safe, but for your own good and the protection of everyone around you, you would be forgiven, in my book, for thinking it was the right thing to do.

 

Keep going on about how everyone who doesn't share your outlook is thick and deserves the shit being visited on them is just some people's version of virtue signalling and elevating their own cleverness.

 

Don't let me stop any of you with that mindset from pissing on electric fences.

But if these people place absolute trust in complete strangers in gov and media instead of listening to members of their own families then something has gone wrong.  

I agree that it's not ideal to brand them stupid but I'm afraid they have been mentally lazy. 

They had so much time to work this out before the injections began...all that was needed was to turn off EastEnders for 1 night and just spend that 30mins quietly thinking.

 

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Anyone got a guess for when no jab/no job comes in for retail/shop staff? The masochist in me just wants it to hurry up so i can cause some kind of commotion at work. The reality is probably no one will care and i'll just be out of a job :-(

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7 minutes ago, Outsider said:

But if these people place absolute trust in complete strangers in gov and media instead of listening to members of their own families then something has gone wrong. 

 

People have placed their trust in complete strangers because they have been frightened shitless by what they are seeing on the TV or reading in newspapers or online. They've stopped thinking critically or logically for themselves.

 

41 minutes ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 

Mass hypnosis.

 

That's basically what has happened.

 

Last Sunday, we had a family get together at my parents' house as my brother and his partner had travelled up for the weekend.

 

Amazingly, everything was fantastic and great, having a great time, lovely dinner, all happy and jovial. After dinner we were all sat around in the living room, watching some bollocks on the TV. Then my Dad turned over to BBC1, and the news came on.

 

It was remarkable just how quickly things turned. No-one had really said much about Covid or 'vaccines' or the general state of affairs up until this point. I've already lied to my family about having my 'first jab', so I sort of tried to keep quiet, until my Dad turned round and asked when I was getting my second.

 

I know the news is all bullshit, but what really took me back was how the rest of my family all reacted as soon as the BBC News started. The atmosphere in the room really changed, there was an air of hostility suddenly.

 

Its definitely a form of hypnosis, I've seen it for myself.

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16 minutes ago, XelNaga said:

Such a wise statement, I might steal that one, thanks 😁

The people running this shit show placed thousands of clues, some small, some massive before the injections began. If just one of those points was questioned it would have started the process of waking up. Frustratingly it's too late in the day for many to wake up now.

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It sucks that you have to lie about it. Everyone that asks me I just tell the truth 'No, I haven't had the vaxx''. So far none have asked why and if they do I'll tell them I don't do experimental vaccines, even less so for a supposed virus that isn't a danger to the 99%. I don't care about the response, I can be stone cold about it.

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1 hour ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 

In the age of information, ignorance is a choice.

 

I'm not having it. I know that people get home from work fatigued in a lot of cases, then start doing chores or are busy with other things like raising kids. If they do not perceive the real source of the threat, because dissent to the gov's narrative is banned and hidden, why would they think to research it, even if they knew where to. If you do the usual Google search, you'll just find tons of stuff that agrees with what they're hearing on TV. 

 

There are some who are really perplexing in how obtuse they seem, but that's from the perspective of people who have been examining this shit for years in the main. 

 

Did your mind not boggle when you started researching - were you not incredulous of a lot of ideas that have since been proven to be true? Have you ever been tricked into thinking some misinformation was genuine?

 

If everyone here was as damned clever as they seem to think - to the point that innocent people are deemed to deserve the horrors going on - then we'd know how to put a stop to it, with all our combined years of acquiring knowledge. Yet we don't.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Outsider said:

But if these people place absolute trust in complete strangers in gov and media instead of listening to members of their own families then something has gone wrong.  

I agree that it's not ideal to brand them stupid but I'm afraid they have been mentally lazy. 

They had so much time to work this out before the injections began...all that was needed was to turn off EastEnders for 1 night and just spend that 30mins quietly thinking.

 

 

Also, there's the repeated claim that anyone who doesn't agree with us is automatically a soap opera fan. That's not true. I know people who are stubborn & won't delve into what I've told them re the jab, but they wouldn't dream of watching crap on TV. They have interesting passtimes that they can't wait to get out of work to do. The 2 things don't always go hand in hand, and is just myth once again perpetuated by arrogant truth seekers.

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1 minute ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

I'm not having it. I know that people get home from work fatigued in a lot of cases, then start doing chores or are busy with other things like raising kids. If they do not perceive the real source of the threat, because dissent to the gov's narrative is banned and hidden, why would they think to research it, even if they knew where to. If you do the usual Google search, you'll just find tons of stuff that agrees with what they're hearing on TV. 

 

There are some who are really perplexing in how obtuse they seem, but that's from the perspective of people who have been examining this shit for years in the main. 

 

Did your mine not boggle when you started researching - were you not incredulous of a lot of ideas that have since been proven to be true? Have you ever been tricked into thinking some misinformation was genuine?

 

If everyone here was as damned clever as they seem to think - to the point that innocent people are deemed to deserve the horrors going on - then we'd know how to put a stop to it, with all our combined years of acquiring knowledge. Yet we don't.

 

 

I think we tried, day after day, hour upon hour to help those close to us to try and alert them to the danger. 

Many of us failed in that task and it's inevitable that it leaves you feeling angry and frustrated. The people we were trying to help just didn't want to listen.

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18 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

People have placed their trust in complete strangers because they have been frightened shitless by what they are seeing on the TV or reading in newspapers or online. They've stopped thinking critically or logically for themselves.

 

 

That's basically what has happened.

 

Last Sunday, we had a family get together at my parents' house as my brother and his partner had travelled up for the weekend.

 

Amazingly, everything was fantastic and great, having a great time, lovely dinner, all happy and jovial. After dinner we were all sat around in the living room, watching some bollocks on the TV. Then my Dad turned over to BBC1, and the news came on.

 

It was remarkable just how quickly things turned. No-one had really said much about Covid or 'vaccines' or the general state of affairs up until this point. I've already lied to my family about having my 'first jab', so I sort of tried to keep quiet, until my Dad turned round and asked when I was getting my second.

 

I know the news is all bullshit, but what really took me back was how the rest of my family all reacted as soon as the BBC News started. The atmosphere in the room really changed, there was an air of hostility suddenly.

 

Its definitely a form of hypnosis, I've seen it for myself.

 

Good post (out of likes). Do you feel that your family 'deserve' to be smitten with horrible ailments or death? (I'm hoping the answer is no). 

 

That's all I'm saying.

 

It's not that they don't deserve some criticism and feelings of utter frustration, but when people keep saying they deserve the horror, it riles me up, because to me, that seems downright callous.

 

It's almost like some people are happy to see the jabbed drop dead, so that they can go, "Ha! Na-na-na-na-na - I told you I was cleverer than you".

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8 minutes ago, Firebird said:

It sucks that you have to lie about it. Everyone that asks me I just tell the truth 'No, I haven't had the vaxx''. So far none have asked why and if they do I'll tell them I don't do experimental vaccines, even less so for a supposed virus that isn't a danger to the 99%. I don't care about the response, I can be stone cold about it.

 

If I had used the liability arguments and as a last resort if I was losing my job over it, I would just lie and say I had both Pfizer and I had mini stroke. They are unlikely to ask for medical proof in my opinion and if they do claim health privacy blah blah and then if they want the card say you lost it. Then see if you can lie your way out of it, if not find another job. 

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8 minutes ago, Outsider said:

I think we tried, day after day, hour upon hour to help those close to us to try and alert them to the danger. 

Many of us failed in that task and it's inevitable that it leaves you feeling angry and frustrated. The people we were trying to help just didn't want to listen.

 

Me too, I'm one of the ones who's done that.

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3 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

Also, there's the repeated claim that anyone who doesn't agree with us is automatically a soap opera fan. That's not true. I know people who are stubborn & won't delve into what I've told them re the jab, but they wouldn't dream of watching crap on TV. They have interesting passtimes that they can't wait to get out of work to do. The 2 things don't always go hand in hand, and is just myth once again perpetuated by arrogant truth seekers.

I don't think I'm being arrogant with the soaps comment, but people could spend hundreds of hours over the course of a year watching soaps, and what do they gain by doing it? How does it enrich their lives, does it make them think, does it make them happy, does it give them an adrenaline rush? It just seems to add nothing....when they could spend 10 mins looking at a painting and gain so much more. 

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45 minutes ago, Outsider said:

But if these people place absolute trust in complete strangers in gov and media instead of listening to members of their own families then something has gone wrong.  

I agree that it's not ideal to brand them stupid but I'm afraid they have been mentally lazy. 

They had so much time to work this out before the injections began...all that was needed was to turn off EastEnders for 1 night and just spend that 30mins quietly thinking.

 

There is a huge part of me that agrees and feels this way. Sometimes it makes me real angry! But then I do cast my mind back, to when I believed everything the media and Government told me - and yes, I do have to admit, that in that scenario it is easily explained how so many people "fell" for it.

 

It's hard to imagine myself as that person now, but just thinking about the daily routine - it just doesn't occur to you that the government or newspapers could lie about such a thing.

 

So amongst my occasional angry and frustration there is also some, compassion in there also somewhere! Some of the time!

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1 minute ago, Outsider said:

I don't think I'm being arrogant with the soaps comment, but people could spend hundreds of hours over the course of a year watching soaps, and what do they gain by doing it? How does it enrich their lives, does it make them think, does it make them happy, does it give them an adrenaline rush? It just seems to add nothing....when they could spend 10 mins looking at a painting and gain so much more. 

 

Soaps have got bugger all to do with it. though. The kind of people who are entertained by them are very possibly the kind of people who wouldn't understand a book or the points made in a thread like this. We're unlikely to ever reach them. But let's stop pretending (I mean generally rather than having a dig at you) that everyone who has the jab is automatically an avid soap watcher because my experience doesn't tally with that at all.

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1 minute ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

Soaps have got bugger all to do with it. though. The kind of people who are entertained by them are very possibly the kind of people who wouldn't understand a book or the points made in a thread like this. We're unlikely to ever reach them. 

Oi, I used to be an avid soap watcher! :) 

 

There is still hope!

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Just now, Mr H said:

Oi, I used to be an avid soap watcher! :) 

 

There is still hope!

 

Sorry. 

 

I used to watch Coronation Street when I was growing up because my Gran liked it then. But like everything else, it's lost its warmth & humour over the years, and now is more like Black Mirror judging by the trailers I've seen.😄

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2 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

Soaps have got bugger all to do with it. though. The kind of people who are entertained by them are very possibly the kind of people who wouldn't understand a book or the points made in a thread like this. We're unlikely to ever reach them. But let's stop pretending (I mean generally rather than having a dig at you) that everyone who has the jab is automatically an avid soap watcher because my experience doesn't tally with that at all.

No problems, suppose I was just using it as an obvious example, clichéd I know, but the sheer volume of time people devote to those kind of programmes just feels like such a waste. 

Soaps saturate the early evening TV schedules and I suppose that's the case because vast numbers of people do have a habit of watching them religiously. 

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24 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

Also, there's the repeated claim that anyone who doesn't agree with us is automatically a soap opera fan. That's not true. I know people who are stubborn & won't delve into what I've told them re the jab, but they wouldn't dream of watching crap on TV. They have interesting passtimes that they can't wait to get out of work to do. The 2 things don't always go hand in hand, and is just myth once again perpetuated by arrogant truth seekers.

 

 

everybody's suffering from information overload nowadays not enough time to digest it all, that's if you can find reliable information in the blizzard of news and opinion out there everyday.

 

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1 minute ago, Outsider said:

No problems, suppose I was just using it as an obvious example, clichéd I know, but the sheer volume of time people devote to those kind of programmes just feels like such a waste. 

Soaps saturate the early evening TV schedules and I suppose that's the case because vast numbers of people do have a habit of watching them religiously. 

 

I wasn't meaning to have a go at you. Sorry if it came out that way.

 

I'll let you into a secret. I get up for work at 6am and get home knackered at 4.45pm, tired, then suffer from insomnia, and sometimes, in between, I will make a point of putting something silly on TV for escapism from the overwhelming distress.

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