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58 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

4: the vaccines haven't been tested long enough.  Contrary to popular belief, most of the groundwork for this vaccine was already done in the last 20 years, as much work was done on a SARS vaccine, also a coronavirus, so it wasn't as rushed as people think.  Also people freak out about the DNA/RNA in the vaccine when this material is completely removed from your body within 48 hours of the injection.  All that remains are the antibodies your own body has created, there's nothing in the vaccine that can create long term side effects.  Conversely, we KNOW that covid causes long term neurological and cardiovascular damage, yet some people seem happy to risk getting covid. 
5: deaths and serious injury caused by vaccines- the deaths and illness in the vaccinated is no higher than the unvaccinated.  This is simply  incorrect. The occasional adverse reaction has happened, but no more than happens in people taking paracetamol or ibuprofen as prescribed.  The side effects on those common tablets list death/internal bleeding as a possible outcome but it doesn't stop people taking them, and there is no media attention in that, ask yourself why? It's because it is so rare.  The media focus is only on the vaccine which is as safe, or even safer than these common medicines
6: nobody is expected to get top up jabs, or any jab, it's a free choice 
7:vaccine passports do not actually exist.  There are only little cards that show you had the vaccine and if businesses are asking to see them, that's up to them, they can refuse entry to anyone they want, it's their business.  This hasn't been rolled out by the government, it's not a law but businesses can and will do what they want and have a right to protect their staff
8: The emergency lockdown thing has already started being reversed. Look outside, look at the pubs and restaurants open etc.  The extent/presence of lockdowns is proportional to the number of deaths/hospitalisations being caused by covid and that makes sense.  If they wanted us in perpetual lockdown they wouldn't have everything open right now.  Simple logic
And yes, the people who believe all that crap above believe in a conspiracy theory, and it's a load of rubbish 😘😘😘

 

well there is  some pressure being applied to get the jab,  so i wouldn't say its entirely free will.  being barred from certain places and possibly losing you job seems like a lot of pressure.

 

still have to wear masks and social distance although lots of people have had the jab so not totally unlocked.

 

 

i think the vaccines have a higher adverse effect rates than the drugs you mentioned, but you don't take pain killers when they are not needed.  in my opinion the risks out weigh the benefits if your under 50 with no co morbidities of having the cv vaccine.

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Malbec said:

 

I trust karma to provide a few knuckle sandwiches in that person's direction before long - that should hopefully stop his painful attempts at public singing.

 

In the meantime, here's an article claiming to be about a 'QAnon' queen. Nice of her to release photo's and all, what with the crux of that alleged movement being anonymity. 

 

And how convenient that there is now a murder-pushing maniac on the loose to help justify aggression towards anti- gene tampering.

 

"QAnons Are Harassing People at the Whim of a Woman They Say Is Canada’s Queen" https://www.vice.com/en/article/3aqvkw/qanons-are-harassing-people-at-the-whim-of-a-woman-they-say-is-canadas-queen-romana-didulo

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2 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

I trust karma to provide a few knuckle sandwiches in that person's direction before long - that should hopefully stop his painful attempts at public singing.

 

In the meantime, here's an article claiming to be about a 'QAnon' queen. Nice of her to release photo's and all, what with the crux of that alleged movement being anonymity. 

 

And how convenient that there is now a murder-pushing maniac to help justify aggression towards anti- gene tampering.

 

"QAnons Are Harassing People at the Whim of a Woman They Say Is Canada’s Queen" https://www.vice.com/en/article/3aqvkw/qanons-are-harassing-people-at-the-whim-of-a-woman-they-say-is-canadas-queen-romana-didulo

Not that I'm a Q sympathiser, but what's at play here is to label and denigrate a group of right wing leaning people. See the use of Qanon, because there isn't a Qanon, it Q and Anons. (I'm sure that's correct isn't it @bamboozooka?)

 

So what this is leading to is labelling QAnons as domestic terrorists so they can arrest, detain and remove weapons from these people and label it domestic terrorism. 

 

Whilst Q is/was a psyop, the goal here is to remove the resistance in another form without spooking the others into thinking something is not right about such actions and justifying such as actions as domestic terrorism. 

 

whatever you think about Q, it did wake a lot of people up, so it did some good at least. 

 

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1 minute ago, Morpheus said:

Not that I'm a Q sympathiser, but what's at play here is to label and denigrate a group of right wing leaning people. See the use of Qanon, because there isn't a Qanon, it Q and Anons. (I'm sure that's correct isn't it @bamboozooka?)

 

So what this is leading to is labelling QAnons as domestic terrorists so they can arrest, detain and remove weapons from these people and label it domestic terrorism. 

 

Whilst Q is/was a psyop, the goal here is to remove the resistance in another form without spooking the others into thinking something is not right about such actions and justifying such as actions as domestic terrorism. 

 

whatever you think about Q, it did wake a lot of people up, so it did some good at least. 

 

 

Yes, I'm with you on that, which is why I said it's 'convenient'.

 

It is a manufactured scenario for a devious and dishonest motive, just like everything else that"s being forced on a largely unsuspecting public. 

 

If only people could just realise that conspiracies are a horrible reality.

 

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Received my vaccine letter today and I wasn’t expecting the range which ensued.

 

I am genuinely apoplectic. How dare they force me into taking this - there is not a single option to opt out.

 

I hope they do start sending people to doors. I really do.

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8 minutes ago, ar55 said:

Received my vaccine letter today and I wasn’t expecting the range which ensued.

 

I am genuinely apoplectic. How dare they force me into taking this - there is not a single option to opt out.

 

I hope they do start sending people to doors. I really do.

 

What will you do - ignore them?

 

My Dr's only asked me directly once - maybe because I emailed a couple of complaints to them recently. Then I got inundated with urges to partake in a couple of different test monitoring exercises by Imperial College, and now I'm getting texts daily telling me what local walk-in centres I can go to to get jabbed with no appointment.

 

They'll give up before I do.

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3 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

What will you do - ignore them?

 

My Dr's only asked me directly once - maybe because I emailed a couple of complaints to them recently. Then I got inundated with urges to partake in a couple of different test monitoring exercises by Imperial College, and now I'm getting texts daily telling me what local walk-in centres I can go to to get jabbed with no appointment.

 

They'll give up before I do.

I’m going to ignore it, but I won’t be cordial when contacted - this is disgusting.

 

Is there no way to block the numbers from contacting you? 

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3 hours ago, Morpheus said:

It might just be me, but that symbol on his left breast (😁) appears to look like an upside down double heart symbol, which according to the CIA means he's a girl loving sick paedo fuck. 👍

 

 

 

Totally

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2 hours ago, ally_uk said:

4: the vaccines haven't been tested long enough.  Contrary to popular belief, most of the groundwork for this vaccine was already done in the last 20 years, as much work was done on a SARS vaccine, also a coronavirus, so it wasn't as rushed as people think.  Also people freak out about the DNA/RNA in the vaccine when this material is completely removed from your body within 48 hours of the injection.  All that remains are the antibodies your own body has created, there's nothing in the vaccine that can create long term side effects.  Conversely, we KNOW that covid causes long term neurological and cardiovascular damage, yet some people seem happy to risk getting covid. 
5: deaths and serious injury caused by vaccines- the deaths and illness in the vaccinated is no higher than the unvaccinated.  This is simply  incorrect. The occasional adverse reaction has happened, but no more than happens in people taking paracetamol or ibuprofen as prescribed.  The side effects on those common tablets list death/internal bleeding as a possible outcome but it doesn't stop people taking them, and there is no media attention in that, ask yourself why? It's because it is so rare.  The media focus is only on the vaccine which is as safe, or even safer than these common medicines
6: nobody is expected to get top up jabs, or any jab, it's a free choice 
7:vaccine passports do not actually exist.  There are only little cards that show you had the vaccine and if businesses are asking to see them, that's up to them, they can refuse entry to anyone they want, it's their business.  This hasn't been rolled out by the government, it's not a law but businesses can and will do what they want and have a right to protect their staff
8: The emergency lockdown thing has already started being reversed. Look outside, look at the pubs and restaurants open etc.  The extent/presence of lockdowns is proportional to the number of deaths/hospitalisations being caused by covid and that makes sense.  If they wanted us in perpetual lockdown they wouldn't have everything open right now.  Simple logic
And yes, the people who believe all that crap above believe in a conspiracy theory, and it's a load of rubbish 😘😘😘

Is this lifted from a post 10 months ago? 

 

As I read it I don't feel triggered or on a mad one to argue, it just washes over me.

 

As it bears no relation to real life I know it will resonant with the covidians but not with the normal people

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2 hours ago, bamboozooka said:

did you read the whole twitter thread? or just look at the bunnies?

I detest twitter,i detest an awful lot of twitter users and i especially detest twitter users who have trouble communicating and no i didnt read it the first tweet put me off and made me detest it a bit more

 

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12 hours ago, Fluke said:

I fear it's going to get much darker in the coming months especially against those not wanting the vaccine. 

 

While I'm not a Christian i don't think it would be a bad thing for people to call on their religious and spiritual inclinations to help us get through some of this. Hopefully darkness before dawn and all of that jazz. 

 

 

 

 

Apart from the endless texts, calls and letters (never in my life have I been so popular with the NHS!) the latest tactic to force the non-vaxxed to comply is the guilt-tactic.  Apparently you are now not doing it for your own good, it's for granny.  Or if your granny died during the first purge, then it's Johnny down the street's granny.

 

This mandatory vaxxing of all care workers is exactly what this is all about - people see that in MSM and then the pressure mounts on any relatives they have still remaining unvaxxed, to turn on them, have a word, a glare, and ostracise from the family/friend circle until they take the needle.

 

I am experiencing it first hand.  They 'put up with me' long enough but apparently now is the time I really 'ought to just go and get the jab'.

 

And if we thought it was Orwellian before, it's about to get much worse.

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3 minutes ago, Noctua said:

 

Apart from the endless texts, calls and letters (never in my life have I been so popular with the NHS!) the latest tactic to force the non-vaxxed to comply is the guilt-tactic.  Apparently you are now not doing it for your own good, it's for granny.  Or if your granny died during the first purge, then it's Johnny down the street's granny.

 

This mandatory vaxxing of all care workers is exactly what this is all about - people see that in MSM and then the pressure mounts on any relatives they have still remaining unvaxxed, to turn on them, have a word, a glare, and ostracise from the family/friend circle until they take the needle.

 

I am experiencing it first hand.  They 'put up with me' long enough but apparently now is the time I really 'ought to just go and get the jab'.

 

And if we thought it was Orwellian before, it's about to get much worse.

All part of the stage setting for what i suspect will be the injuries resulting from the jabbing of children and scapegoats being required for that scenario.Could be something a lot worse but there is a definite push to blame the unvaxxed for all of mans ills that goes beyond nudge and persuasion as advocated by spi-b and it's not confined to a specific country this time either,its a coordinated world wide attack

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8 hours ago, pete675 said:

 

It's the great rebrand for the great reset. 

 

Long Covid used to be Post viral syndrome, just as Covid used to be seasonal flu.

 

More precisely, she's most likely got Guillain-Barré syndrome as a consequence of the jab.

 

Is the quack in the DM pic for real? He looks like Ali G's fatter brother..

How far away are we from full Idiocracy? | Page 2 | TigerDroppings.com 

We don't have to wait 500 years.

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12 minutes ago, Noctua said:

 

Apart from the endless texts, calls and letters (never in my life have I been so popular with the NHS!) the latest tactic to force the non-vaxxed to comply is the guilt-tactic.  Apparently you are now not doing it for your own good, it's for granny.  Or if your granny died during the first purge, then it's Johnny down the street's granny.

 

This mandatory vaxxing of all care workers is exactly what this is all about - people see that in MSM and then the pressure mounts on any relatives they have still remaining unvaxxed, to turn on them, have a word, a glare, and ostracise from the family/friend circle until they take the needle.

 

I am experiencing it first hand.  They 'put up with me' long enough but apparently now is the time I really 'ought to just go and get the jab'.

 

And if we thought it was Orwellian before, it's about to get much worse.

I thought this narrative would be the one to cause the whole pack of lies to fall.

 

Why are you the masses not concerned by this? If the young are taking this vaccine to protect others, surely then by that logic it should be mandatory for the young to offer their bodies to trial drugs for dementia, cancers etc?

 

After all, cancer kills millions. So surely you’re selfish if you don’t comply.

 

Is it unrealistic to think that, after this, major companies like Tesco could be offered millions/billions to have all their staff under a certain age to trial all sorts? If they refuse, bye bye.

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2 minutes ago, ar55 said:

I thought this narrative would be the one to cause the whole pack of lies to fall.

 

Why are you the masses not concerned by this? If the young are taking this vaccine to protect others, surely then it should be mandatory for the young to offer their bodies to trial drugs for dementia, cancers etc?

 

After all, cancer kills millions. So surely you’re selfish if you don’t comply.

 

Is it unrealistic to think that, after this, major companies like Tesco could be offered millions/billions to have all their staff under a certain age to trial all sorts? If they refuse, bye bye.

It's still early days yet regarding the legal aspects of it all but no doubt the moving goalposts will make an appearance followed by legislative changes which will then lead to the kind of function creep you envision happening.I still feel they haven't even started yet with what they have in their armoury as up to now they have used the public's trust,admittedly they have got to a point where that is evaporating fast ,but they will keep going and theres very little to stop them at the moment,no opposition whatsoever over 800 new rules and regulations since last year ,it's gonna take some effort to wind that lot back and there is no way they are going to relinquish their new found omnipotence,they can't anyway as i think they are all aware it means a death sentence for each and every one of them

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3 hours ago, allymisfit said:

There's that 33 again. Likely a sabbatean. 

He actually does look like a rapper. What a joke of a world. 

 

Meanwhile a british GP sends a very sensible letter to her MP about the incoming mandatory jabs:

 

Dear Sir Graham,

I refer to my earlier correspondence dated March 2nd and April 26th regarding the concerns I have about the COVID-19 vaccination program.

I am grateful to you for raising these concerns with the Minister for COVID-19 Vaccine Deployment. Sadly Mr Zahawi seems to be either unwilling or unable to respond to my questions. Perhaps he is just delaying until the vaccine rollout has reached the whole adult population as it is due to imminently.

Mr Zahawi said in his letter to you that “the UK currently operates a system of informed consent for vaccinations”. Clearly the current proposals to make vaccinations compulsory for care home workers and possibly frontline NHS workers is completely counter to this. If a medical intervention is mandated for one group in society why not others? What about visitors to care homes? Delivery drivers? Shop workers? The list will go on and on.

I would like to draw your attention again to Article 6 of the Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights. It states that “any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice”. If an individual is being coerced into undergoing vaccination, through fear of losing their livelihood, then they are not giving “free and informed consent”. In effect, the person administering the vaccine in such circumstances is committing the criminal offence of Assault and Battery. We know that the pharmaceutical companies have been granted legal indemnity by the Government but what indemnity does the vaccinator have in this situation?

In my opinion to ask anyone to undergo a medical intervention for the benefit of others is profoundly unethical. Population immunity, achieved through high vaccine take-up, is a by-product rather than the primary reason for immunising an individual. This ethical problem is particularly pertinent to the arguments given for rolling the program out to children, but is also relevant to the majority of healthy working-age adults. The mortality risk from COVID-19 in this cohort is lower than that for seasonal influenza. People are being persuaded to have these vaccines to protect society at large. Why is nobody in Government paying attention to the significant morbidity and mortality being reported on the Yellow Card system in relation to the administration of the vaccines? Young healthy people are being exposed to risks, both known and unknown, in taking these vaccines yet have little to gain in terms of personal benefit. Dr Tess Lawrie wrote an open letter to MHRA Chief Executive Dr June Raine saying that “the MHRA now has more than enough evidence on the Yellow Card system to declare the COVID-19 vaccines unsafe for use in humans”. At the very least we should be pausing to review the data before coercing young care home workers into having this vaccine when the results of the phase 3 trials are not yet known or understood.

In my discussions with patients who have undergone vaccination I have come to realise that many are unaware that these vaccines do not yet have full marketing authorisation. Sadly, the vaccine trials have now been compromised by being unblinded and control arm participants being offered the active drug. Given that these vaccines are still in their experimental phase, surely point 1 of the Nuremberg code applies: the voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. How is this in any way compatible with mandatory vaccination?

According to Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister referred to Matt Hancock as “fucking hopeless”. Having heard the Health Secretary say that there is a “material difference” in the duty of care owed by the state to those who have not yet been offered the vaccine compared to those that have not taken up the offer of vaccination, I would go as far as to say he is dangerous and a menace. He is not fit for public office and needs to be removed from his post before he inflicts further harm on the people of this country. The GMC’s Good Medical Practice guidance states that Doctors must “treat patients and colleagues fairly and without discrimination“. I do not think there is an exception to this based on vaccination status. Similarly the NHS constitution says that “the NHS provides a comprehensive service, available to all” and that staff has a “duty not to discriminate against patients or staff and to adhere to…human rights legislation”. With regard to patients it says “you have the right to accept or refuse treatment that is offered to you, and not to be given any…treatment unless you have given valid consent”. Perhaps the Health Secretary ought to familiarise himself with these documents.

Having read my comments you will not be surprised to learn that I still do not intend to take this vaccine currently. I refuse to be bullied into undergoing a medical intervention against my will. It is against everything I would advocate for my patients. With record waiting lists in the NHS it would seem to me to be unwise to risk losing a proportion of the workforce by forging ahead with plans for making COVID-19 vaccination compulsory.

Yours sincerely,

Dr Helen Westwood

 

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/06/18/nhs-doctor-matt-hancock-is-not-fit-for-public-office-and-needs-to-be-removed-before-he-inflicts-further-harm-on-the-people-of-this-country/

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1 hour ago, whatthefoxhat said:

It's still early days yet regarding the legal aspects of it all but no doubt the moving goalposts will make an appearance followed by legislative changes which will then lead to the kind of function creep you envision happening.I still feel they haven't even started yet with what they have in their armoury as up to now they have used the public's trust,admittedly they have got to a point where that is evaporating fast ,but they will keep going and theres very little to stop them at the moment,no opposition whatsoever over 800 new rules and regulations since last year ,it's gonna take some effort to wind that lot back and there is no way they are going to relinquish their new found omnipotence,they can't anyway as i think they are all aware it means a death sentence for each and every one of them

 

Re: public trust - if this is any indication

https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/straw_poll_2021-04-10.html   

2nd graph - trending distrust of gov increasing

 

Straw Poll: Creeping polarisation - Again!

Date  Sat 10 April 2021 By  InProportion2 Tags opinion

 

Opinions on Government responses to Covid-19 are highly critical - there may be some softening of this but it is accompanies by a slight increase of those who think the government is corrupt. We may be looking at a gradual polarisation of opinion regards the government's stance on Covid.

This gradual polarisation of opinion continues the trend reported about a month ago

 

Respondents to this straw poll were asked to indicate their estimation of what friends, family and workmates thought of the Government's handling of the coronavirus. Here are the results for the UK respondents:

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Below are the response options A to E. Respondents were able to choose multiple selections, in which case their "score" was divided across the selected options:

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The conclusions that can be drawn from a straw poll are limited due to the sample size and the inevitable selection bias that results from participants self-selected via twitter. However, by asking the same question of hundreds people each month in the same way, it is is indicative if a trend becomes evident.

Here are the results for the question "Which of the following represents YOUR opinion?"

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In all categories, the most popular response in both groups this month was again D, that "The Govt. and their experts have got the whole Covid topic completely and utterly wrong with a disastrous blanket lockdown"

Covid vaccinations

An additional question asked people their views on covid vaccines. The results are shown here: .

Only a minority think the vaccines will be "effective medical interventions"

The question:

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  • Previous straw poll results can be found here

Many thanks to all who took part in this straw poll!

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