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From what Boris has just said

 

 Daily Telegraph asks the PM whether he feels "comfortable making it illegal for grandparents in large families" to meet their grandchildren, and whether he has decided the exact criteria for easing the restrictions.

The PM says: "Of course I don't feel comfortable, it breaks my heart to have to insist on these restrictions."

But he says young people are "more than capable of transmitting it to the much more vulnerable older generation".

 

asks if people now need to accept they will not be able to have Christmas parties or large gatherings.

Johnson says it is "just too early to say".

 

 

Whitty says the UK is "now in a much better place" but says there are still "constraints".

He says there are "more things we could do if we had more testing"

 

 

The PM says: "I'm still hopeful, as I've said before, that in many ways we could be able to get some aspects of our lives back to normal by Christmas."

He says he hopes that people will be able to take "a rapid turnaround test" in the morning and know 15 minutes later whether they are infectious or not.

"That gives you a kind of passport... to mingle with everybody else who is similarly not infectious in a way that is currently impossible," he says, adding that this is what the government is "aiming for".

 

 

Developing rapid coronavirus tests that can deliver results in up to 20 minutes would be a wonderful step.

It could lead to regular testing of the whole population, allowing us to get back to normal life.

 

The key will be testing - not just to identify people who have the virus, so they can be told isolate - but to find people who are negative, so they can go about their daily lives.

 

 

Johnson says it is an "ambitious agenda" but the first pilot will go live in Salford next month for audiences at indoor and outdoor venues.

"Then we hope to go nationwide," he adds.

The PM admits there are "a number of challenges", such as ensuring the technology works and there is a strong distribution network, adding: "We are not there yet."

 

This, Johnson says, could "identify people who are negative" and let them go into venues on the day.

"At theatres, we could test all audience members one day and let in all those who are not infectious," he says.

"And workplaces could be opened up to all those who test negative in the morning."

 

 

Other new measures include hospitality venues, such as pubs, having to legally record people's details - and fines will be issued if they don't.

Covid secure marshalls will also be introduced in town and city centres that local authorities can draw upon to ensure social distancing is kept to.

 

 

 

This is all one big joke isnt it!?

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So restrictions don’t apply to schools or workplace. So presumably a big f you to pensioners and unemployed. Also with ‘moonshot” plan for mass vaccinations no one will go out without proof presumably. 
cant vouch for proof of this but my wife was speaking to a friend whilst picking daughter up at school. Friends mum works at Trelisk hospital in Cornwall. Apparently vaccine will only work for sixteen weeks so will need to be continuously topped up. What a bunch of [email protected]#TS.

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The key will be testing - not just to identify people who have the virus, so they can be told isolate - but to find people who are negative, so they can go about their daily lives.

 

Sky News had this story last week:

Coronavirus tests 'may be picking up traces of dead virus'

Experts from Oxford University's Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine say the widely-used PCR test will result in false positives.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-tests-may-be-picking-up-traces-of-dead-virus-12064151

 

I can't take any more of this utter shite. And Marshall's now swaggering about shouting oi oi to 6 people or more lol welcome to Stasiland UK, put me back in the Village ffs. 

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54 minutes ago, Number6 said:

The key will be testing - not just to identify people who have the virus, so they can be told isolate - but to find people who are negative, so they can go about their daily lives.

 

Sky News had this story last week:

Coronavirus tests 'may be picking up traces of dead virus'

Experts from Oxford University's Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine say the widely-used PCR test will result in false positives.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-tests-may-be-picking-up-traces-of-dead-virus-12064151

 

I can't take any more of this utter shite. And Marshall's now swaggering about shouting oi oi to 6 people or more lol welcome to Stasiland UK, put me back in the Village ffs. 

 

There may be some scientists at Oxford trying to out the liars, without losing their jobs.

 

Carl Heneghan at Oxford has been fairly vocal about the unreliability of testing.

 

"Prof Carl Heneghan, one of the study's authors, said instead of giving a "yes/no" result based on whether any virus is detected, tests should have a cut-off point so that very small amounts of virus do not trigger a positive result. He believes the detection of traces of old virus could partly explain why the number of cases is rising while hospital admissions remain stable."

 

Basically they are saying the tests are unreliable. The tests are picking up the virus from weeks or months ago in people who have recovered from Covid or never

knew they even had an illness!

 

As Covid 19 and the Common Cold are both coronviruses, then I suggest these Covid 19 tests show positive results when someone has

just suffered a bloody cold.

 

Coronaviruses are a group of viruses known for causing the common cold. They have a halo or crown-like (corona) appearance when viewed under an electron microscope.

 

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold#/media/File:Coronaviruses_004_lores.jpg

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56 minutes ago, Number6 said:

 

 

I can't take any more of this utter shite. And Marshall's now swaggering about shouting oi oi to 6 people or more lol welcome to Stasiland UK, put me back in the Village ffs. 

I see this as a steppingstone to a more ruthless authority, I don’t know what powers they have right now, but it can always evolve to something more aggressive as ‘cases rise’ 

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The UK government’s new Covid rules are authoritarian and arbitrary. How much longer will people put up with this?

Published: 9 Sep 2020 | 17:42 GMT

 

 

The latest crazy edict from Boris Johnson’s government is that only six people can meet up in private homes. There is no logic to this whatsoever, and it perfectly sums up their shambolic handling of the entire coronavirus crisis.

From September 14, it will be illegal for more than six people to gather in a variety of places, including private homes, in England. This ban also extends to restaurants, cafes, bars, pubs and even outdoor spaces, and applies across the board to all ages. However, the rule won’t apply in an array of other scenarios, for no other apparent reason than Matt Hancock says so.

The health secretary, who also seems to have appointed himself commissioner of the fun police, explained to the adoring inmates of Airstrip One that: “one of the pieces of feedback we had, including from the police, was that we needed the rules to be super simple so that everybody knows what they are, and now this will be rigorously enforced by the police. This is really simple. Gatherings are OK, they should be socially distanced of course, but groups only of up to six.” 

 

They may be really simple, Mr Hancock, but far more striking than their simplicity is their earth-shattering stupidity. The new restrictions are being introduced in response to a steep rise in coronavirus cases. Not deaths, not hospitalisations,  but cases. This rise in cases has, astonishingly, coincided with an increase in testing, but the fact that if you go looking for something you might find more of it doesn’t seem to have crossed the minds of the geniuses at the Department of Health.

Despite that little nugget of information passing them by, they have identified some situations where it is apparently fine for more than six people to congregate. These include schools and workplaces, ‘Covid-secure’ weddings, funerals and organised team sports. 

Quite how Covid-19 is supposed to tell the difference between having seven or more people round for a few drinks just for the hell of it and having seven or more people round for a few drinks because it’s a wedding is not immediately clear. But I guess we’ll just have to take Matt’s word for it. 

It is also good to know that the virus apparently doesn’t spread when you are doing things the government approves of, like going to work or school, but does spread if you just want to enjoy yourself. I didn’t know that viruses were capable of telling the difference between a diversity training seminar and a dinner party, or a geography lesson and a barbecue, but you learn something new every day…

These new laws regarding socialising will be enforced through a £100 fine if people fail to comply, doubling on each offence up to a maximum of £3,200. This means that people could be given a criminal record for hanging around with more than six people in a park. This is complete insanity, and completely arbitrary. Why have they settled on six people as a limit? Has Matt Hancock been binge-watching ‘Friends’ on Netflix during lockdown? Is he making sure we’re spared an S Club 7 reunion? Does he just not have many mates?

It is staggering that we Brits are continuing to put up with this nonsensical idiocy from our government, but what alternative do we have? Captain Hindsight Keir Starmer won’t dare suggest that the government is overreaching itself with these totalitarian measures, lest he be accused of wanting to kill pensioners. 

The devolved administrations in Wales and Scotland seem to be having a competition to be even more ridiculous than the absolute shower in Westminster, and the MSM continue to breathlessly report every case of coronavirus without ever providing the context of how ill any of the people who have it are.

For all the protestations of Hancock and Boris Johnson that they are making “tough” decisions, it seems to have passed them by that they are actually just making “bad” decisions. 

 

Quite how they can look at themselves in the mirror when they are criminalising socialising is frankly extraordinary, but the fact they are also reportedly considering a national 10pm curfew is proof that things could get worse before they get better. 

In fact, at this stage, it appears that they simply like telling people what to do. The more worrying thing is that we, the people, are continuing to let them.

 

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/500295-covid-rules-new-uk-six-people/

 

RT has had some decent articles lately for a mainstream media organization unlike Sky and the BBC. It is shameful what is going on apparently the Speaker of the House of Conmans isn't happy either. 

The Speaker is Furious with Matt Hancock Because Lockdown Changes Were "All Over Twitter" Before Parliament Knew About Them

A furious Lindsay Hoyle has threatened to drag Matt Hancock to the Commons to answer questions every day after new lockdown restrictions were announced to the media before Parliament.

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/lindsay-hoyle-hancock-coronavirus-twitter

 

They are continuing to make stuff up as they go along and see what they can get away with. I am hoping the wider population will snap and say we've had enough of all this craziness and finally do something about it (stop acquiescing as David has said ad nauseum). 

 

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11 minutes ago, Newbiebrbr said:

Guys, this is good news with what happened today. It seems really shit and it is, but this will wake people up on how fucking retarded these changes are. People will start to just ignore the government hopefully...

I would give you a like for your post but I run out till tomorrow 😂 

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Oxford Vaccine Fucked

Apparently one poor woman on the trial has developed a pretty awful and very serious condition called Transverse Myelitis.  It means your spinal cord gets inflamed which can lead to life debilitating permanent damage .. 2/3rds of people with this condition have permanent damage to the spinal cord.  From wikipedia "The spinal cord inflammation seen in TM has been associated with various infections, immune system disorders" ..... which I think suggests it is directly caused by the vaccine.

She probably started to have some strange sensations coming from the spinal cord and told the trial doctors ... and they have stopped the vaccine trial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transverse_myelitis#Prognosis

 

The chances of this one being given to the whole country are zero imo.

 

Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/oxford-vaccine-trial-suspended-not-doomed-uk-woman-hit-rare/

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My good mates elder sister is high up in West Yorkshire police. Before she said police wouldn’t approach people who were out doing whatever because they didn’t have the power to enforce it. Interesting what she’ll say now. 

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6 hours ago, zArk said:

@oddsnsods @Number6 did either of you post the NHS data re: use of mechanical ventilators per day a couple of weeks back. cant find it

if you could help that would be great.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/03/covid-death-rates-dropped-doctors-rejected-ventilators/?fbclid=IwAR0Z77s8qkqdPxqojcrffkuELbPe_OqaFLG1at-hv-FFW4J8sdVSfnODxC4

Covid death rates dropped as doctors rejected ventilators

 

 

 

@zArk

 

Just a heads up. See that link you posted:

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/03/covid-death-rates-dropped-doctors-rejected-ventilators/?fbclid=IwAR0Z77s8qkqdPxqojcrffkuELbPe_OqaFLG1at-hv-FFW4J8sdVSfnODxC4

 

You're probably wise to knock of the last section of your link as I suspect it's a Facebook / ID / censorship thing going on. So the same link would look like:

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/03/covid-death-rates-dropped-doctors-rejected-ventilators

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Number6 said:

I am hoping the wider population will snap and say we've had enough of all this craziness and finally do something about it (stop acquiescing as David has said ad nauseum). 

 

i think day by day more people are raising eyebrows and taking notice of the lunatic conspiracy theorists who are badgering them daily with facts and weird stuff like that

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