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UK’s MSM has slavishly obeyed the govt over Covid like the docile arm of a despotic state. I know, because I was part of it

Published: 9 Sep 2020 | 07:02 GMT

 

 

By Matt Drake, a British journalist covering news and film. Bylines include Spiked, The Spectator, The Telegraph, The Independent, Evening Standard, LBC, The Sun, and the Daily Express.

 

The pro-lockdown cheerleaders in the mainstream media have been following No.10’s orders and wrongly branding all lockdown sceptics as nutty conspiracy theorists – but the tide is turning.

More and more people are coming round to realise lockdown has been a major mistake. Yet newspapers and TV, here in the UK at least, are still loyally hounding down dissenters and tarring each one as some sort of lunatic who needs, well, locking up.

Those sceptics who it was hard to place in a loony bin, such as Lord Sumption, one of the most brilliant minds in Britain, were simply ignored. When the former Supreme Court head wrote in The Times on March 31 that the UK was “sliding into a police state” after Parliament was granted unprecedented powers in the Coronavirus Bill (which was rubber-stamped with no debate in the Commons), did this liberal-minded intellect get heaps of press attention? No, of course not. It was palpably quiet. The mainstream media was simply not interested in any other narrative than the official, exaggerated danger of the virus.

The media has failed to do its job properly, unless that job is to be the government’s cheerleader-in-chief. Other than a few brave exceptions, the job of their reporters has been to report every (literal) cough and scare as a grave threat to life and limb, all the better to generate online clicks. Every new death, any new medical scare story, was quickly written up and thrown online with sensationalist headlines. The warnings by the likes of Jonathan Sumption, whose profession is to actually think for a living, that this was all damaging “hysteria”, were buried.

The modern press does not have the mental wit to take on an intellect like Lord Sumption. The rest of us have been easier targets.

When there was a relatively large gathering of lockdown sceptics at Trafalgar Square late last month, the media was far from kind. Many of the headlines were along the same lines as the Evening Standard's: “Thousands gather in Trafalgar Square to promote coronavirus conspiracy theories at 'anti-lockdown' protest.”

 

Now, while there were some undoubted cranks in the crowd – including the keynote speaker David Icke, who believes that lizards control the world, and one man at the back briefly unfurling a fascist flag – was everyone there really a conspiracy theorist?

Conspiracy theorists are on the fringe of politics and mainstream society. But on the same day, over 30,000 protesters marched in Berlin – which the New York Times scoffed at as “bizarre.”

Does that mean conspiracy theories are becoming more popular? Or, more likely, maybe there were perfectly normal people attending these protests who are perturbed at the state of their country and who worry about such trifling matters as freedom and liberty. People who believe lizards are more likely to be found basking in the sun on heaths than sitting in Buckingham Palace or No.10.

People like Rose, who did not want to give me her last name but has attended all three anti-lockdown protests. She told me this week: “I'm very worried about the country and I am not a conspiracy theorist. I feel the government is abusing its power. Their actions don't make sense over a few Covid deaths a day.

 

Most people who attended the anti-lockdown rallies are reluctant to give their names or even admit to attending, for fear they will be branded a conspiracy theorist – or worse, lose their jobs.

One man, who wished to remain anonymous, said: “I think David Icke made a lot of sense at the protest, but I don't actually believe what he says the rest of the time. But according to the BBC, we're all conspiracy theorists.”

Others admitted to not attending, despite wanting to, because they didn't want to be labelled as a crank. Kayleigh Barnes, 27, from south-east England, said she wanted to attend the protests but couldn't due to ongoing health issues.

She added: “I don't believe in the 5G conspiracy theorists or that the Queen is a lizard. Covid-19 is real but the world just massively overreacted.”

The protesters either received no coverage at all or were painted as selfish conspiracy nuts. There was no neutrality.

Perhaps the protests would seem more ridiculous if the UK didn't act like a police state. Piers Corbyn, brother of former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, was grabbed, arrested and fined £10,000 for organising a peaceful gathering. Meanwhile, several other protests took place that day and their organisers were not bothered by the police. Mr Corbyn believes the order for him to be arrested came from “up high,” and it is hard not to believe that it was politically motivated.

Perhaps the smearing of protesters is politically motivated. After all, if people reading the reports were shamed into thinking they too were some irrational tinfoil-hat-wearer, or a criminal liable to an extortionate fine, they will be less inclined to want to attend any future protests.

Australia is fast becoming the go-to state for such despotism, in a terrifying foreshadowing of what may lie in store for Britain. Cops in Melbourne are storming into people's homes to arrest those supporting protests, including a pregnant woman who broke down into tears in front of her children as she was arrested for “incitement” earlier this month.

 

Victoria Police said in a statement that anyone thinking of attending the protest she promoted could expect a “swift and firm response from the police,” in an obvious attempt to scare people into obedience.

Yet, The Guardian still focussed on the “conspiracy theorists,” who are now apparently “energised” by the lockdown restrictions. But why focus on them?

Like the folly of 2016, when the liberal media elite scoffed at Trump and Brexit supporters, they could very well be in for a rude awakening. How much more can people take being called stupid and mad by smug BBC, CNN and Sky News apparatchiks?

And yes, they are apparatchiks, because they are well and truly in the government's pocket. From personal experience, as well as reports from BBC journalists, the government has had an inordinate amount of influence over the media, “suggesting” stories for them to cover if they enthusiastically toe the government line and “go easy” on ministers while interviewing them.

 

While working for a certain mainstream publication in our scorching spring, when people were only allowed an hour’s exercise a day, my editors revealed they were asked by Downing Street to “hammer home the message” that people shouldn't be enjoying the sunshine on weekends.

All reporters were told they were on no account to publish anything which could go against the government line. This was coupled with self-censorship, an editorial decision to not report on anti-lockdown protests so as not to “legitimise” their platform – while giving plenty of reporting space to Extinction Rebellion and BLM.

It has all the hallmarks of the sort of un-free press found in a despotic state. After all, what does totalitarianism really look like? For most people, they will think of the USSR, Nazi Germany or North Korea. The kind of brutal regimes that inspired George Orwell's ‘1984’.

But another novel, ‘Brave New World’, written by Aldous Huxley many years before in 1932, foreshadowed a different kind of dystopia. A scientific dictatorship in which people blindly follow authority and actually love their servitude.

Like in the USSR, where dissenters were classed as mentally disturbed, today any dissenter is branded a conspiracy theorist. Their opinions are pathologies, not legitimate points of view to be taken seriously, about our de facto police state, or about the exaggerated threat of coronavirus, or about the appalling damage done to our economy and our health by lockdown. Instead, we are dangerous, eccentric heretics that only deserve to be jeered at, scorned, and pushed out of mainstream society, while the rest don their masks and applaud the police for cracking down on non-conformists. 

 

Good article although I did notice another dig at David in there. 

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11 hours ago, Golden Retriever said:

Trump says vaccine could be ready next month😡

 

 

 

So that's the incredible Trump's incredible 'October Surprise' an incredible vaccine, who's trials should have involved thousands of incredible participants and lasted for several incredible years, but only took two incredible months!

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1 hour ago, Number6 said:

 

"So we are simplifying and strengthening the rules on social contact, making them easier to understand and for the police to enforce," the PM will announce.

 

 

If that advice makes it easier to understand, thank fcuk it's not complicated, because I don't have an f'ing clue how many people I can meet or where! (Not that I care or comply.)

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8710551/Hands-face-space-Department-Health-launches-campaign-pushing-basic-coronavirus-messages.html

 

This new ludicrous slogan in the seemingly never-ending pantomime that is 'Covid' has a slight ring of 'Back, Sack and Crack' about it. It's nowhere near as catchy but there are definitely bollocks involved.

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21 minutes ago, Shy Talk said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8710551/Hands-face-space-Department-Health-launches-campaign-pushing-basic-coronavirus-messages.html

 

This new ludicrous slogan in the seemingly never-ending pantomime that is 'Covid' has a slight ring of 'Back, Sack and Crack' about it. It's nowhere near as catchy but there are definitely bollocks involved.

 

Repeat the mantra YOU - WILL - OBEY -YOU - WILL - OBEY - YOU WILL - OBEY.... Same three word slogan nonsense brought to you by the Government Behavioural Insights Team.... 

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The cabal and their pathetic government frontmen are getting so surreal and contradictory with their measures now that even the unawakened are starting to see holes in it. There are still scared sheeple of course but I've heard and read so many normies finding the prospect of more lockdowns and this latest limiting of gatherings absurd. So I actually hope the cabal and their satanic lapdogs continue to bring in these stupid, confusing "rules" because it's actually unintentionally waking a lot of people up to how the measures make no sense. From my personal perspective it makes absolutely no difference to me what they bring in because I'll just be getting on with my life and manoeuvring around their nonsense "rules".  This is a Psy-Op at the end of the day, all the shit they say and the measures they attempt are all to break us down psychologically. If we try to maintain a positive state of mind and don't offer them up our fear it becomes much easier to deal with the bullshit they trot out every day.

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3 hours ago, Number6 said:

Coronavirus: Social gatherings of more than six people to be banned in England from Monday

The legal limit will be reduced from 30 in the prime minister's biggest coronavirus crackdown since lockdown rules were eased

 

A ban on groups of more than six people gathering in homes, parks, pubs and restaurants in England is being imposed by Boris Johnson in the biggest coronavirus crackdown since lockdown rules were eased.

First offenders will be fined £100, which will double on each further repeat offence up to £3,200, the prime minister will announce in a bid to stem an alarming surge in COVID-19 cases in the UK.

 

"We need to act now to stop the virus spreading," Mr Johnson will declare at a Downing Street news conference, coinciding with a new government advertising campaign entitled "Hands. Face. Space.".

"So we are simplifying and strengthening the rules on social contact, making them easier to understand and for the police to enforce," the PM will announce.

"It is absolutely critical that people now abide by these rules and remember the basics - washing your hands, covering your face, keeping space from others, and getting a test if you have symptoms

What are the new rules?

 
  • From next Monday, any gathering of more than six people in England will be illegal, unless it meets one of a limited list of exemptions
  • This applies to gatherings both indoors and outdoors
  • The new rule does not apply to households or bubbles of more than six, or gatherings for work or education
  • Weddings, funerals, and organised team sports carried out in a COVID-secure way are also exempt
  • People will at first be fined £100, but this will double on each further repeat offence up to £3,200

 

 

 

If there are so many new cases, why is the deaths graph flat? (Rhetorical question)

 

Are hospital admissions up?

 

If people don't recognise the tyranny in this, I'm sorry but there's something wrong with them. Tell them so.

 

They have no power over us if we are not afraid. Death isn't the end, and even if it is, then none of this matters anyway.

 

Whether the legal limit is 6, 10, 30 or whatever, our numbers in the Square are going to be a little bit higher.

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I think the increasing of state measures upon it's citizens during a crisis when the crisis has for all intents and purposes subsided, is pure craziness. Unless, it's simply a psychological test to see how far they are able to push the public without push back?

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From The Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/britains-grip-coronafear-and-dangerous-virus

 


"Well done, Matt 'we’re doomed!' Hancock – Covid fear is now a bigger threat than the virus itself
Once upon a time we were Blighty not Frighty. It's time to get a grip or there will be irreversible damage to our national health

 

I despair I really do. The powers of the wretched Coronabeast are waning fast. “It has burnt through the dry grass, mainly those who would have died anyway in the next few months, and now it is infecting younger age groups but not harming them,” says a scientist friend. Admissions are only a fraction of the level compared to peak of the pandemic despite warnings of a second wave rolling across Europe. “Covid has gone from our wards, has been for weeks” reports the head nurse at one of the UK’s largest hospitals, “I can’t understand what the Government are going on about.”

 

Boy, are they going on. And on. England’s Deputy Chief Medical Officer Professor Jonathan Van Tam - a Chieftain tank in human form - was deployed this week to warn that the public has “relaxed too much”. Relaxed? How much generalised anxiety, cyclists wearing masks, children instructed not to turn around in classrooms, empty trains, cancelled holidays, people solemnly washing groceries in Covid-free areas and all the other pointless pantomime of panic would be sufficient for the Professor? The nation’s a complete basket case and he wants us to keep weaving.

 

And then there’s Matt Hancock. Like Private Frazer in Dad’s Army, our Secretary of State for Health has a lip-smacking relish for doom. As children settle back in the classroom after almost six months without friends or lessons and young people prepare for university, Matt had a few uplifting words to give them the confidence they so desperately need: “Don’t kill your gran!”

 

I can’t believe he actually said that. Either Hancock doesn’t understand the science or he is wilfully misinterpreting the data to keep the population as terrified as possible.

 

Yes, there were almost 3,000 new “cases” on two successive days this week. But PCR tests, like all medical tests, are not perfect and can be unreliable. Covid “cases” sound alarming, but a case can be anyone with a few remnants of virus on a swab test who presents zero risk. ICUs are still, in the main, eerie ghost towns. Corona deaths are down to a handful a day out of a population of 66 million. Basically, I have more chance of marrying Brad Pitt than you have of dying from Covid19.

 

As Dr Carl Heneghan, the director of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford University, protests, “The norms of clinical reasoning are going out of the window. A PCR test does not equal Covid19, but in some definitions it does.” The Office for National Statistics has resorted to paying people a staggering £450 to have a series of nasal swabs. Those volunteers were never ill. They are among the silent millions who probably had corona without noticing and have boosted community immunity, making us all safer.

 

This news should be a cause for cautious celebration. Just a small glass of Harvey’s Bristol, Marjorie. Yet the remorseless campaign of fear to which the British people have been subjected since March refuses to let up. However infectious Covid19 may be, it is a mere amateur compared to the contagion of dread which has insinuated its way into our lives like a noxious gas. According to a recent poll, the British public believes the death toll from the virus is 100 times higher than it actually is. Forget Keep Calm and Carry On. That defiantly bloody-minded, worse-things-happen-at-sea, cheer-up-love-it-may-never-happen nation we all felt glad to belong to is now an unrecognisable land of paranoia and paralysis.

 

I asked my followers on Twitter a question: “How many people do you know who have been so scared by government behavioural psychologists that they are unlikely to resume a normal life even as Covid recedes?” The replies came thick and furious:

 

Sebastian: “My mother-in-law – 70, ex mayor of her town, strong woman, will hardly leave the house now. Her friends are the same and all their social groups have disbanded.”

 

Lisa: "My sister still requires her husband to strip off at the door after work and get straight in the shower"

 

Sara: “I know someone whose mother even sleeps with her mask and gloves on. Her blood pressure went to 240. She’s killing herself!”

 

Valerie: “Friends don’t read the Sunday papers until Wednesday. And all post and parcels are left for 3 days before opening.”

 

Elsa: “My neighbour goes to her own shed in her own garden with mask and gloves on. I wish I were joking.”

 

Danny: “My mother is panic-stricken. So much so my father has bought a treadmill for the house so she can have some kind of walk.”

 

Hannah: “I’ve not seen my mum in over six months. She only leaves the house at night.”

 

Jason: “My in-laws won’t come out of their house. My boys have all but given up on ever seeing them again. They sit and await a vaccine that is never coming.” Barrie: “I know people in their twenties who haven’t left their house since March.”

 

Alex: “My mum is still washing everything, not hugged my daughter since the end of February until Thursday when I made her. She may have held her breath for the entire 5 seconds non-face-to-face hug.”

 

What the hell have Hancock and the shroud-wavers on SAGE done to us? I really identified with Josiah who joked, “I spent the first month of lockdown persuading my parents to take Covid seriously. And the last 3 months trying to persuade them not to take it seriously!”

 

That’s it, exactly. Fear, like a coffee stain on a cream sofa, is a bugger to get out. Those of us who try to do what Matt Hancock should be doing - offering encouraging facts, persuading needlessly timid people it’s OK to venture out, are often met with incomprehension, even hostility. So successful is the psychological warfare that victims don’t even realise they’ve been brainwashed. Yet was this horrifying obsessive behaviour planned deliberately?

 

On the 22nd of March, the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) produced a paper for the Government which must rank as one of the most successful and most damaging documents in our history. Options for Increasing Adherence to Social Distancing Measures laid out ways of bringing about behavioural change in the public to get us to comply with Covid19 restrictions.

 

The Number 1 recommendation was “Provide clear, precise, credible guidance about specific behaviours’’. You can’t argue with that. It was at Number 2 that things began to take a darker turn. “Use media to increase sense of personal threat,” it said. When I first read that sentence I reeled back. It felt entirely un-English, more akin to Stalinism.

 

But that’s exactly what those behavioural experts did. Instead of relying on people’s good sense and altruism (which proved to be remarkably strong) SAGE said: “The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging.”

 

Scaremongering headlines of a notably apocalyptic nature duly began to appear. “Coronavirus: I’m digging graves for people who are still living,” ran the ghoulish caption under a photograph of parallel muddy trenches in a field in east London. On TV, Government adverts thundered “everyone is equally at risk”. (Yet, we already knew that the average age of the fatalities in Italy was 82.5).


Tactics that a nation would use against its enemies were turned against our own families and friends. In a hard-hitting interview for this week’s Planet Normal podcast, the former Supreme Court justice Lord Sumption told me that some members of SAGE have since admitted “this was perhaps overdone” but the use of fear was deliberate policy.

 

“What you have to remember is that when societies lose their liberty it is not because liberty has been crushed under the boot of some tyrant, it’s usually because they’ve been frightened into giving it up voluntarily. And that is what happened. Fear is the number one instrument of every despot. I dare say the intentions of this Government are benign. But their methods have not been.”

 

Who can doubt the good lord’s judgment in this case? Or the malign effect of Matt “We’re doomed!” Hancock, our very own tinpot dictator who accentuates the negative to keep people in mortal fear and achieve what exactly? What’s the strategy, Matt? The destruction of our economy is pretty much guaranteed if you continue to lock down entire regions at the first Atchoo! Other countries are not in the grip of this existential madness. They view the hysterical spasms of our previously phlegmatic nation with amused disbelief.

 

Once upon a time we were Blighty not Frighty. We have to get a grip and summon that spirit again or there will be damage without end. If you know someone who is still really scared please let me know. People are going to need help to be unafraid. A lot of help. The Government’s behavioural scientists must put into reverse the disproportionate campaign with which they stole the people’s reason. Here’s one idea: “Use the media to increase the sense of personal safety.”

 

I’ll go first. The contagion of fear now poses a far bigger threat to our national health than Covid-19. You probably won’t kill your gran if you see her, but not seeing her might just kill her. In my view, you are safe to resume your life. While it is reasonable to be scared of the dark; it’s a tragedy to be afraid of the light."

 

Allison Pearson.

 

It reads like satire. Good, though, that a major rag is going against the grain...

 

 

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@oddsnsods @Number6 did either of you post the NHS data re: use of mechanical ventilators per day a couple of weeks back. cant find it

if you could help that would be great.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/03/covid-death-rates-dropped-doctors-rejected-ventilators/?fbclid=IwAR0Z77s8qkqdPxqojcrffkuELbPe_OqaFLG1at-hv-FFW4J8sdVSfnODxC4

Covid death rates dropped as doctors rejected ventilators

 

 

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From what Boris has just said

 

 Daily Telegraph asks the PM whether he feels "comfortable making it illegal for grandparents in large families" to meet their grandchildren, and whether he has decided the exact criteria for easing the restrictions.

The PM says: "Of course I don't feel comfortable, it breaks my heart to have to insist on these restrictions."

But he says young people are "more than capable of transmitting it to the much more vulnerable older generation".

 

asks if people now need to accept they will not be able to have Christmas parties or large gatherings.

Johnson says it is "just too early to say".

 

 

Whitty says the UK is "now in a much better place" but says there are still "constraints".

He says there are "more things we could do if we had more testing"

 

 

The PM says: "I'm still hopeful, as I've said before, that in many ways we could be able to get some aspects of our lives back to normal by Christmas."

He says he hopes that people will be able to take "a rapid turnaround test" in the morning and know 15 minutes later whether they are infectious or not.

"That gives you a kind of passport... to mingle with everybody else who is similarly not infectious in a way that is currently impossible," he says, adding that this is what the government is "aiming for".

 

 

Developing rapid coronavirus tests that can deliver results in up to 20 minutes would be a wonderful step.

It could lead to regular testing of the whole population, allowing us to get back to normal life.

 

The key will be testing - not just to identify people who have the virus, so they can be told isolate - but to find people who are negative, so they can go about their daily lives.

 

 

Johnson says it is an "ambitious agenda" but the first pilot will go live in Salford next month for audiences at indoor and outdoor venues.

"Then we hope to go nationwide," he adds.

The PM admits there are "a number of challenges", such as ensuring the technology works and there is a strong distribution network, adding: "We are not there yet."

 

This, Johnson says, could "identify people who are negative" and let them go into venues on the day.

"At theatres, we could test all audience members one day and let in all those who are not infectious," he says.

"And workplaces could be opened up to all those who test negative in the morning."

 

 

Other new measures include hospitality venues, such as pubs, having to legally record people's details - and fines will be issued if they don't.

Covid secure marshalls will also be introduced in town and city centres that local authorities can draw upon to ensure social distancing is kept to.

 

 

 

This is all one big joke isnt it!?

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So restrictions don’t apply to schools or workplace. So presumably a big f you to pensioners and unemployed. Also with ‘moonshot” plan for mass vaccinations no one will go out without proof presumably. 
cant vouch for proof of this but my wife was speaking to a friend whilst picking daughter up at school. Friends mum works at Trelisk hospital in Cornwall. Apparently vaccine will only work for sixteen weeks so will need to be continuously topped up. What a bunch of [email protected]#TS.

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The key will be testing - not just to identify people who have the virus, so they can be told isolate - but to find people who are negative, so they can go about their daily lives.

 

Sky News had this story last week:

Coronavirus tests 'may be picking up traces of dead virus'

Experts from Oxford University's Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine say the widely-used PCR test will result in false positives.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-tests-may-be-picking-up-traces-of-dead-virus-12064151

 

I can't take any more of this utter shite. And Marshall's now swaggering about shouting oi oi to 6 people or more lol welcome to Stasiland UK, put me back in the Village ffs. 

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