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19 minutes ago, Orange Alert said:

 

I presume they were wearing the usual bog standard, Chinese, sweat shop face coverings, when they had a go at you?    I have no respect for anyone wearing a pathetic face covering, believing there is a deadly virus wafting around in the air, and does not invest in a decent respirator.   I laugh at such brain dead cretins.

 

 

well he could just get a sunflower lanyard and badge and wear that, its what i do.  no aggro then, use the rules to your advantage.

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5 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

Which parts are you referring to?

 

Revelation 13

The Mark of the Beast
16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666.

 

What could this mark possibly be, I wonder? Don't forget John says he causes ALL to recieve this mark.

 

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1 minute ago, alexa said:

 

Revelation 13

The Mark of the Beast
16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666.

 

What could this mark possibly be, I wonder? Don't forget John says he causes ALL to recieve this mark.

 

 

Well, I guess I'll start actively looking for marks on people's foreheads or right hands.

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1 hour ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

"OUTRAGEOUS: Mainstream doctors are REFUSING to see or treat vaccine-damaged patients because they don’t want to get involved in “controversial” diagnoses – NaturalNews.com" https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-05-17-mainstream-doctors-refusing-treatment-vaccine-damaged-patients.html

 

Here are more predictably traitorous NHS cowards who need tar & feathering and sacking. NHS heroes indeed.

Arse covering and material/money preservation trumps care for others. And they basked in the glory of doorstep worship for their selfless commitment to the cause.

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3 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

Revelation 13

The Mark of the Beast
16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666.

 

What could this mark possibly be, I wonder? Don't forget John says he causes ALL to recieve this mark.

 

 

He required all...

 

Required is not necessarily a done deal. 

 

The mark could be a chip...or even a tattoo... 

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18 hours ago, epsom said:

You CAN’T take your mask off on transport, shops or other venues

""It will remain a legal requirement to wear a face mask in shops, public transport and other indoor public settings, with offenders facing a £200 fine.

This might be axed from June 21 but we don’t know that yet. Exemptions remain for under-11s and people who have a medical reason, as ever.""

 

THAT'S IT FOLKS----STILL THE SAME FOR SHOPS AND PUBLIC TRANSPORT---until 21st June--(what year?)😏

 

 

June 21st...now isnt that an interesting date....

 

``This day usually marks the summer solstice in the Northern Hemisphere and the winter solstice in the Southern Hemisphere, ``

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2 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

:classic_rolleyes:

 

So does it have to be a literal '666' literally on the right hand or forehead? What if you are missing a right hand. Would the left hand be acceptable - or would the forehead in that case be the only option?

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4 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

 

He required all...

 

Required is not necessarily a done deal. 

 

The mark could be a chip...or even a tattoo... 

 

That's a good point

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2 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

So does it have to be a literal '666' literally on the right hand or forehead? What if you are missing a right hand. Would the left hand be acceptable - or would the forehead in that case be the only option?

 

Maybe the positioning of it gives further info about the `marked`.. for example the nobility may get it to the head under the hair to show they are ``elite`` lol.   The bottom feeders get it in the hand... if they have no right hand they will be shot and tossed on a pyre as being less than useful. I get the images from the actions of the Gestapo... same ilk will be the anti-christ...no doubt.

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19 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

Last book on a particular subject, or just literally the last book I read?

 

@Nobby Noboddy If it starts off as an essay then a few years later gets printed into a small book, is it still an essay or is it now a book?

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1 minute ago, Beaujangles said:

 

Maybe the positioning of it gives further info about the `marked`.. for example the nobility may get it to the head under the hair to show they are ``elite`` lol.   The bottom feeders get it in the hand... if they have no right hand they will be shot and tossed on a pyre as being less than useful. I get the images from the actions of the Gestapo... same ilk will be the anti-christ...no doubt.

 

Can we tell Bill Gates we are giving him the official mark, then secretly shave his eyebrows and paint a dick on his forehead instead – while he's drunk? Then he'll be walking around thinking he's got the elite mark until Melinda points out it's bigger than his actual dick.

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1 hour ago, Footsies said:

it states in the CDC page (link below) that COVID-19 has been isolated many times?
 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html

 

Ive always understood through listening to David and the likes, UKColumn etc. That the virus has never been shown to have been isolated?


Anyone have any comments, because this is my main argument against the hoax virus?
 

Appreciate any feedback and comments etc. to help my arguments against...

 

it says it here too... https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-covid-19-isolated-photographed-5342610-Feb2021/

 

 

 

The CDC study has already been debunked numerous times on the forum but I will do it again.

 

1) Dr Kaufman's Step by Step Analysis

 

Quite recently, DI posted on his webpage Dr Andrew Kaufman's step by step analysis of the methods employed in this study whereby he completely torpedoed the "isolation" methods employed by the CDC.

 

https://davidicke.com/2021/04/23/dr-andrew-kaufman-refutes-isolation-of-sars-cov-2-he-does-step-by-step-analysis-of-a-typical-claim-of-isolation-there-is-no-proof-that-the-virus-exists/

 

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The global medical community has been asserting that “a pandemic is being caused by a virus, SARS-Cov-2.”

But what if the virus doesn’t exist?

 

People have been asking me for a step-by-step analysis of a mainstream claim of virus-isolation. Well, here it is.

“Isolation” should mean the virus has been separated out from all surrounding material, so researchers can say, “Look, we have it. It exists.”

 

I took a typical passage from a published study, a “methods” section, in which researchers describe how they “isolated the virus.” I sent it to Dr. Andrew Kaufman [1], and he provided his analysis in detail.

 

I found several studies that used very similar language in explaining how “SARS-CoV-2 was isolated.” For example, “Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 from Patient with Coronavirus Disease, United States, (Emerging Infectious Diseases, Vol. 26, No. 6 — June 2020)” [2].

 

First, I want to provide a bit of background that will help the reader understand what is going on in the study.

The researchers are creating a soup in the lab. This soup contains a number of compounds. The researchers assume, without evidence, that “the virus” is in this soup. At no time do they separate the purported virus from the surrounding material in the soup. Isolation of the virus is not occurring.

 

They set about showing that the monkey (and/or human cells) they put in the soup are dying. This cell-death, they claim, is being caused by “the virus.” However, as you’ll see, Dr. Kaufman dismantles this claim.

 

There is no reason to infer that SARS-CoV-2 is in the soup at all, or that it is killing cells.

 

Finally, the researchers assert, with no proof or rational explanation, that they were able to discover the genetic sequence of “the virus.”

 

Here are the study’s statements claiming isolation, alternated with Dr. Kaufman’s analysis:

 

STUDY: “We used Vero CCL-81 cells for isolation and initial passage…”

 

KAUFMAN: “Vero cells are foreign cells from the kidneys of monkeys and a source of contamination. Virus particles should be purified directly from clinical samples in order to prove the virus actually exists. Isolation means separation from everything else. So how can you separate/isolate a virus when you add it to something else?”

 

STUDY: “…We cultured Vero E6, Vero CCL-81, HUH 7.0, 293T, A549, and EFKB3 cells in Dulbecco minimal essential medium (DMEM) supplemented with heat-inactivated fetal bovine serum (5% or 10%)…”

 

KAUFMAN: “Why use minimal essential media, which provides incomplete nutrition [to the cells]? Fetal bovine serum is a source of foreign genetic material and extracellular vesicles, which are indistinguishable from viruses.”

 

STUDY: “…We used both NP and OP swab specimens for virus isolation. For isolation, limiting dilution, and passage 1 of the virus, we pipetted 50 μL of serum-free DMEM into columns 2–12 of a 96-well tissue culture plate, then pipetted 100 μL of clinical specimens into column 1 and serially diluted 2-fold across the plate…”

 

KAUFMAN: “Once again, misuse of the word isolation.”

 

STUDY: “…We then trypsinized and resuspended Vero cells in DMEM containing 10% fetal bovine serum, 2× penicillin/streptomycin, 2× antibiotics/antimycotics, and 2× amphotericin B at a concentration of 2.5 × 105 cells/mL…”

 

KAUFMAN: “Trypsin is a pancreatic enzyme that digests proteins. Wouldn’t that cause damage to the cells and particles in the culture which have proteins on their surfaces, including the so called spike protein?”

 

KAUFMAN: “Why are antibiotics added? Sterile technique is used for the culture. Bacteria may be easily filtered out of the clinical sample by commercially available filters (GIBCO) [3]. Finally, bacteria may be easily seen under the microscope and would be readily identified if they were contaminating the sample. The specific antibiotics used, streptomycin and amphotericin (aka ‘ampho-terrible’), are toxic to the kidneys and we are using kidney cells in this experiment! Also note they are used at ‘2X’ concentration, which appears to be twice the normal amount. These will certainly cause damage to the Vero cells.”

 

STUDY: “…We added [not isolated] 100 μL of cell suspension directly to the clinical specimen dilutions and mixed gently by pipetting. We then grew the inoculated cultures in a humidified 37°C incubator in an atmosphere of 5% CO2 and observed for cytopathic effects (CPEs) daily. We used standard plaque assays for SARS-CoV-2, which were based on SARS-CoV and Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) protocols…”

 

STUDY: “When CPEs were observed, we scraped cell monolayers with the back of a pipette tip…”

 

KAUFMAN: “There was no negative control experiment described. Control experiments are required for a valid interpretation of the results. Without that, how can we know if it was the toxic soup of antibiotics, minimal nutrition, and dying tissue from a sick person which caused the cellular damage or a phantom virus? A proper control would consist of the same exact experiment except that the clinical specimen should come from a person with illness unrelated to covid, such as cancer, since that would not contain a virus.”

 

STUDY: “…We used 50 μL of viral lysate for total nucleic acid extraction for confirmatory testing and sequencing. We also used 50 μL of virus lysate to inoculate a well of a 90% confluent 24-well plate.”

 

KAUFMAN: “How do you confirm something that was never previously shown to exist? What did you compare the genetic sequences to? How do you know the origin of the genetic material since it came from a cell culture containing material from humans and all their microflora, fetal cows, and monkeys?”

 

—end of study quotes and Kaufman analysis—

 

My comments: Dr. Kaufman does several things here. He shows that isolation, in any meaningful sense of the word “isolation,” is not occurring.

 

Dr. Kaufman also shows that the researchers want to use damage to the cells and cell-death as proof that “the virus” is in the soup they are creating. In other words, the researchers are assuming that if the cells are dying, it must be the virus that is doing the killing. But Dr. Kaufman shows there are obvious other reasons for cell damage and death that have nothing to do with a virus. Therefore, no proof exists that “the virus” is in the soup or exists at all.

 

And finally, Dr. Kaufman explains that the claim of genetic sequencing of “the virus” is absurd, because there is no proof that the virus is present. How do you sequence something when you haven’t shown it exists?

 

Readers who are unfamiliar with my work (over 300 articles on the subject of the “pandemic” during the past year [4]) will ask: Then why are people dying? What about the huge number of cases and deaths? I have answered these and other questions in great detail. The subject of this article is: have researchers proved SARS-CoV-2 exists?

 

The answer is no.

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2) Dr Stefan Lanka's CPE Control Experiment

 

And, since then, Dr Stefan Lanka has made public the results of his control experiment in contrast to the methods employed in the CDC study. He has found that claimed cytopatic effect of SARS-CoV-2 can be induced without any infected material. The damage and death of cells which takes place in a cell culture is not virus specific and therefore cannot and must not be claimed as evidence of a disease-causing virus. The death of tissue cells in the test tube occurs in the same way without any infected material.

 

https://davidicke.com/2021/04/25/dr-stefan-lanka-experiment-shows-that-its-not-a-virus-that-kills-cells-but-the-laboratory-process-they-use-to-claim-a-virus-kills-cell-its-all-a-scam/

 

https://odysee.com/@DeansDanes:1/cpe-english:f

 

3) Dr Tom Cowan and Sally Fallon Morrell's Criticisms

 

And, what is more, the CDC study has also been heavily criticised by Dr Tom Cowan and Sally Fallon Morrell as it reveals that the alleged genome of SARS-CoV-2 - following the alleged "isolation" of the virus - has been pieced together on a computer. This is what Dr Tom Cowan has said on the matter:

 

https://drtomcowan.com/only-poisoned-monkey-kidney-cells-grew-the-virus/

 

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This week, my colleague and friend Sally Fallon Morrell brought to my attention an amazing article put out by the CDC, published in June 2020. The article's purpose was for a group of about 20 virologists to describe the state of the science of the isolation, purification and biological characteristics of the new SARS-CoV-2 virus, and to share this information with other scientists for their own research. A thorough and careful reading of this important paper reveals some shocking findings. In fact, the article section "Whole Genome Sequencing" shows that, rather than having isolated the virus and sequencing the genome from end to end, that the CDC "designed 37 pairs of nested PCRs spanning the genome on the basis of the coronavirus reference sequence (Genbank accession no. NC045512)".

 

4) Photographs of the "Virus"

 

My understanding of the images alleged to be of SARS-CoV-2 is that none of them have been obtained from completely purified virus. This has been confirmed by authors of 5 supposedly pivotal papers to Torsten Engelbrecht and Konstantin Demeter who authored the Off Guardian piece 'Covid-19 PCR Tests Are Scientifically Meaningless'.

 

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/

 

Furthermore, the electron microscope images allegedly of SARS-CoV-2 show particles which vary greatly in size (ranging from 60 nm to 140 nm). But, according to the authors of 'Virus Mania', a virus with such extreme size variation "cannot exist by definition" (page 392).

 

5) Other Studies from Canada and Ireland

 

The other evidence of "isolation" cited in the link you have posted - https://www.thejournal.ie/debunked-covid-19-isolated-photographed-5342610-Feb2021/ - has also been refuted. To save repeating myself, please take a look at the post below where I responded to this exact same fact check.

 

 

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Just now, DarianF said:

 

@Nobby Noboddy If it starts off as an essay then a few years later gets printed into a small book, is ir still an essay or is it now a book?

What's that?

I just asked you a simple question, not even a confrontational one.

Why are you evading? I apoligise if I'm embarrassing you.

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1 minute ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

What's that?

I just asked you a simple question, not even a confrontational one.

Why are you evading? I apoligise if I'm embarrassing you.

 

On Bullshit

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1 hour ago, SimonTV said:

 

How persistent they are about the vaccine is like something out of the film Invasion. Where they end up around your house in vaccine parties with these sharp smiles on their faces and black eyes. 

Lol. The younger Covid- religion zealots could well throw happy clappy vaccine parties, where current social distancing rules do not apply. 

A great day out for all true believers!!

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1 minute ago, Beaujangles said:

 

Call it whatever you like... and stop beating around the bush... 😜

 

I'm bored. I was hoping he'd bring up the monkey fucking issue again.

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1 minute ago, DarianF said:

 

Can we tell Bill Gates we are giving him the official mark, then secretly shave his eyebrows and paint a dick on his forehead instead – while he's drunk? Then he'll be walking around thinking he's got the elite mark until Melinda points out it's bigger than his actual dick.

 

My guess is that Bill Gates is already a marked man. Hence, Melinda is tossing him to the wolves while maintaining a tidy sum for herself and her cubs. We have no proof that said cubs are Bills... and the notion that he has a dick may be merely assumption. I think he likely doesn`t like to share his junk - so his mark should be on his hand where he will get to see it often.

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