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5 hours ago, bamboozooka said:

 

 

Well, I'm sorry Grant Shapps, but Nicola Sturgeon "will not countenance in Scotland any kind of narrative around this that is seeking to almost intimidate people back to work before, as a country, we have taken a decision that that is safe."

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2 hours ago, Staeld said:

Not even September yet and my GP practice is pushing the flu vaccine via text message. At least they are giving me the option to opt out which I will of course as I have never had a flu vaccine in the 68 years I've been alive and don't intend to. 

 


 

I was receiving letters from my GP summoning me to come in for my six month check-up.

 

WTF? I'm almost 62 years old and haven't had a six month health check since infancy!

 

I ignore them, they will want to stick that eight inch cotton bud into my brain, through my nostril.

 

Incidentally, all Scottish high-school children who have a day off for sickness have to submit to a Covid test before returning, conducted by the army.

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On 8/26/2020 at 10:39 AM, sickofallthebollocks said:

Medical Professional at standupx in Nottinghams says:

(at 3.00 mins in)

"I asked the NPA (national protection agency)"
Why don't we isolate the virus to work out the accuracy of the tests and do you know what they told me  -on an email?  They told me that the W.H.O told them NOT to isolate the virus, so that's interesting isn't it?"
"I mean the W.H.O seems to be running the health service doesn't it?"
 

 

 

Thanks for this @sickofallthebollocks.  Haven't been able to find out this doctor's name but would be interested to know whether he's been subjected to the same treatment as Dr Adil, ie suspension by the regulator for speaking out.

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14 minutes ago, CyprusAvenue said:

 

Thanks for this @sickofallthebollocks.  Haven't been able to find out this doctor's name but would be interested to know whether he's been subjected to the same treatment as Dr Adil, ie suspension by the regulator for speaking out.

Yeah I couldn't find his name either, if only ALL the medical professionals came out at the same time tehn that would make suspensions completely pointless, it's about time they ALL showed some decency and did the right thing - and soon.

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59 minutes ago, Velma said:

 

Incidentally, all Scottish high-school children who have a day off for sickness have to submit to a Covid test before returning, conducted by the army.

Jeez, what!? Even if they've had the squits? That's just outrageous 😡

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The Department for Health and Social Care's response to a FOI request concerning isolation of SARS-CoV-2 has been posted on the DI main site here:

 

https://davidicke.com/2020/08/28/viruses-cannot-be-grown-purified-isolated-in-pure-culture-and-pass-the-koch-postulate-test-to-prove-their-existence-and-effect-uk-department-of-health-freedom-of-information-on-response/

‘Viruses cannot be grown (purified, isolated) in pure culture and pass the Koch Postulate test’ to prove their existence and effect.

FOI-1244462-1244664-Tomlinson-724x1024.j

FOI-1244462-1244664-Tomlinson2-724x1024.

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14 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

The Department for Health and Social Care's response to a FOI request concerning isolation of SARS-CoV-2 has been posted on the DI main site here:

 

https://davidicke.com/2020/08/28/viruses-cannot-be-grown-purified-isolated-in-pure-culture-and-pass-the-koch-postulate-test-to-prove-their-existence-and-effect-uk-department-of-health-freedom-of-information-on-response/

‘Viruses cannot be grown (purified, isolated) in pure culture and pass the Koch Postulate test’ to prove their existence and effect.

FOI-1244462-1244664-Tomlinson-724x1024.j

FOI-1244462-1244664-Tomlinson2-724x1024.

 

So basically, they are saying that the long established "Koch's Postulates" are a load of bollocks and can no longer be considered as valid?

 

How convenient! 😆

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

The Department for Health and Social Care's response to a FOI request concerning isolation of SARS-CoV-2 has been posted on the DI main site here:

 

https://davidicke.com/2020/08/28/viruses-cannot-be-grown-purified-isolated-in-pure-culture-and-pass-the-koch-postulate-test-to-prove-their-existence-and-effect-uk-department-of-health-freedom-of-information-on-response/

‘Viruses cannot be grown (purified, isolated) in pure culture and pass the Koch Postulate test’ to prove their existence and effect.

FOI-1244462-1244664-Tomlinson-724x1024.j

FOI-1244462-1244664-Tomlinson2-724x1024.

 

I'm far from a virology or immunology expert so I'm more than happy for someone to educate me on this or direct me to some helpful sources, but from what I understand I think we have to be a bit cautious about the whole "they haven't even isolated the virus/used Koch's postulate to prove it exist" argument and the likes of Andrew Kaufman claiming it's just exosomes and Covid isn't real.

 

From what I've seen (again, very happy to be corrected) there's a school of thought within virology that all viruses are actually exosomes and just a way of the body detoxifying itself, not actually an infectious organism. If that's the case, I find the idea of this proving Covid is a hoax a little disingenuous, given if the theory has some weight it would apply to viruses in general, not just this one.#

 

There seem to be some very legitimate questions to be asked about the field of virology in general, but from what I understand there hasn't really been much done out of the ordinary, apart from the rushed through testing which has very questionable accuracy. With that in mind it might be more appropriate to ask what we actually really know about any virus and how much of it is assumption, but to make the leap from there to a deliberate invention of a virus and subsequent cover-up seems to be going a little bit too far for me.

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i have read how the CDC supposedly isolate/identify Sars Cov 2 and if you want a bit of light relief i recommend a read https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article. I mean the amount of tortured and poisoning that the sample goes through should cause the sample to file a case for sample abuse at the War crime tribunal. They even boil the sample, i kid you not. I mean how the hell is that even logical or makes any scientific sense. If a virus is that indistructible then we should start building planes black boxes out of them.

 

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1 hour ago, Kovidiot said:

but that is what exactly what they have done. The virus is a deliberate invention. There is no evidence anywhere that it actually exist

 

But how many viruses are known to exist in general? Because from what I've seen isolating and purifying viruses in general is quite difficult. How much of virology is guess work? These are important questions. 

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12 hours ago, Illmatic said:

 

Right. I had a falling out with a fairly close friend recently. There was other stuff behind it as well but part of it was that I "talked about conspiracy theories an awful lot". His perspective was that there was no point having that stress in your life and if you go on about it people will think you're "crazy". I said I totally get trying to just ignore it and do your own thing but it's quickly becoming next to impossible. I've thought about it and I'd gladly be known as the "crazy conspiracies guy" if it helps to plant even one seed of doubt in peoples' minds. If you're going to lose some friends along the way because of that fuck it. 

Illmatic, same thing happened to me recently, lost a friend because he didn't believe in the things I was telling him. Hey, he asked, so I told him. I'm a honest person and the friends I still have say they value my honesty and that they come to me and ask me important questions because they know I won't feed them bullshit or sugarcoat it. Of course I'm respectful but I give my honest opinion based on the information provided.

 

I remember the morning. I met my friend at a Starbucks, his choice, he likes coffee and the atmosphere otherwise I would never give my time to that corporate garbage, but I show up and sit down and he is all bummed out. I asked him, how's it going, and he replied the stock market is down, way down, the most it has ever been since 1929, and have you heard about this corona virus? I said wow that sucks, but I wasn't too concerned since I am not a stock market player, and then I brushed off the corona virus saying it was more fear porn propaganda like swine flu and not to worry just keep eating alkaline and you'll be fine. Then he says, and did you hear about that shooting up in Milwaukee? I said no and that it may be a psyop if they are making a huge deal about it and if there are a lot of specific numbers being cited by the media such as 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13, and 33.

 

He asked, what's a psyop? I began to explain to him what a psyop is and what they are used for, we got into this long discussion and he was in disbelief which I found odd because we had known each other for a year at this point and we had many discussions about the new world order and what I explained to him was the cabal and black magicians, even showing him the hidden pentagon and hexagram on the back of the one dollar bill to which he replied, you're scaring me. Lol

 

After that morning at starbucks we hung out a few more times but as this corona thing progressed our friendship deteriorated as he asked more questions that he did not like the answers to. The final straw was when I was explaining to him why the US and hillary clinton murdered Gaddafi, because he introduced the gold back dinar and completed what was referred to as the Great Man Made River project which allowed Libya to be sustainable in terms of growing their own food in the southwest and southeast Sahara desert, thus the new world order who control the financial system murdered him for trying to rise up above the system. His replied was, I see no value in that information. Like I was lying to him or something. That was the last we spoke. I often wonder how he's doing but I don't contact him. I can totally see him wearing a mask around and complying.

 

But now we will find new friends who are awake.

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17 minutes ago, Messenger said:

Illmatic, same thing happened to me recently, lost a friend because he didn't believe in the things I was telling him. Hey, he asked, so I told him. I'm a honest person and the friends I still have say they value my honesty and that they come to me and ask me important questions because they know I won't feed them bullshit or sugarcoat it. Of course I'm respectful but I give my honest opinion based on the information provided.

 

I remember the morning. I met my friend at a Starbucks, his choice, he likes coffee and the atmosphere otherwise I would never give my time to that corporate garbage, but I show up and sit down and he is all bummed out. I asked him, how's it going, and he replied the stock market is down, way down, the most it has ever been since 1929, and have you heard about this corona virus? I said wow that sucks, but I wasn't too concerned since I am not a stock market player, and then I brushed off the corona virus saying it was more fear porn propaganda like swine flu and not to worry just keep eating alkaline and you'll be fine. Then he says, and did you hear about that shooting up in Milwaukee? I said no and that it may be a psyop if they are making a huge deal about it and if there are a lot of specific numbers being cited by the media such as 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13, and 33.

 

He asked, what's a psyop? I began to explain to him what a psyop is and what they are used for, we got into this long discussion and he was in disbelief which I found odd because we had known each other for a year at this point and we had many discussions about the new world order and what I explained to him was the cabal and black magicians, even showing him the hidden pentagon and hexagram on the back of the one dollar bill to which he replied, you're scaring me. Lol

 

After that morning at starbucks we hung out a few more times but as this corona thing progressed our friendship deteriorated as he asked more questions that he did not like the answers to. The final straw was when I was explaining to him why the US and hillary clinton murdered Gaddafi, because he introduced the gold back dinar and completed what was referred to as the Great Man Made River project which allowed Libya to be sustainable in terms of growing their own food in the southwest and southeast Sahara desert, thus the new world order who control the financial system murdered him for trying to rise up above the system. His replied was, I see no value in that information. Like I was lying to him or something. That was the last we spoke. I often wonder how he's doing but I don't contact him. I can totally see him wearing a mask around and complying.

 

But now we will find new friends who are awake.

 

Thanks for sharing that. My friend had been going through some bad personal stuff as well during the lockdown which I think was the main reason for our falling out, but the conspiracy discussion was definitely part of it.

 

He was actually one of the most skeptical people I've met regarding Covid and the measures coming in, I think generally it was just too disturbing for him and he wanted an escape from his worries.

 

I wish him the best of luck and don't hold any hard feelings but I don't think ignoring this stuff and hoping it goes away is going to solve anything in the end. Knowledge is power. 

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6 minutes ago, Illmatic said:

 

Thanks for sharing that. My friend had been going through some bad personal stuff as well during the lockdown which I think was the main reason for our falling out, but the conspiracy discussion was definitely part of it.

 

He was actually one of the most skeptical people I've met regarding Covid and the measures coming in, I think generally it was just too disturbing for him and he wanted an escape from his worries.

 

I wish him the best of luck and don't hold any hard feelings but I don't think ignoring this stuff and hoping it goes away is going to solve anything in the end. Knowledge is power. 

You're welcome Illmatic, and thank you also for sharing. So many of us are experiencing the same thing losing friends who don't understand what we do about these topics. It is tough to come to terms with, no doubt about that, but I think instead of avoiding it we must face it and move forward with solutions and unity.

 

That's good that you wish him well, I wish the same for my friend too. He used to tell me, ignorance is bliss and I would say, I disagree, ignorance is weakness, knowledge is power. He would ask me, but what are you going to do with that knowledge? And I would say, make conscious decisions on how to stay healthy, and I think finding like minded people is one way to staying healthy.

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37 minutes ago, Messenger said:

You're welcome Illmatic, and thank you also for sharing. So many of us are experiencing the same thing losing friends who don't understand what we do about these topics. It is tough to come to terms with, no doubt about that, but I think instead of avoiding it we must face it and move forward with solutions and unity.

 

That's good that you wish him well, I wish the same for my friend too. He used to tell me, ignorance is bliss and I would say, I disagree, ignorance is weakness, knowledge is power. He would ask me, but what are you going to do with that knowledge? And I would say, make conscious decisions on how to stay healthy, and I think finding like minded people is one way to staying healthy.

 

Absolutely. Ignorance is bliss, don't know if you've seen the Matrix but the exact same line is in that. Staying comfortable is tempting but even if you choose that route its only going to last so long. I think for years people have had the option to have a career and focus on just rasing their family, getting a nice house etc as an aim but that time is coming to an end.

 

I think you have to be a bit tactful about what you say to people though as getting too deep into it too fast will likely get you a bad reaction. It's hard but I think you've got to judge how much everyone is willing to listen, and if they're not able at the moment to go to far into its not helpful. Planting that seed of doubt is the aim, so you've got to meet people halfway to an extent. 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, bamboozooka said:

letter received from son's headteacher.

 

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Disgraceful, this is child abuse. I'm not a parent but if I was I'd be absolutely furious at this shit. Life is scary enough as a young child, they need guidance and love not masks, terror and quarantines. The consequences of this could be felt for generations.

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