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14 hours ago, bradlaw said:

So has this cv19 virus been isolated or not ?? Doc I know says it has and gave me this link to cdc

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html

 

 

Debunking of this CDC study, dated to 6th June 2020, has been done to death now.

 

 

1) Dr Kaufman's Step by Step Analysis

 

On the main DI webpage only last week was Dr Andrew Kaufman's step by step analysis of the methods employed in this study whereby he completely torpedoed the "isolation" methods employed by the CDC.

 

https://davidicke.com/2021/04/23/dr-andrew-kaufman-refutes-isolation-of-sars-cov-2-he-does-step-by-step-analysis-of-a-typical-claim-of-isolation-there-is-no-proof-that-the-virus-exists/

 

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The global medical community has been asserting that “a pandemic is being caused by a virus, SARS-Cov-2.”

But what if the virus doesn’t exist?

 

People have been asking me for a step-by-step analysis of a mainstream claim of virus-isolation. Well, here it is.

“Isolation” should mean the virus has been separated out from all surrounding material, so researchers can say, “Look, we have it. It exists.”

 

I took a typical passage from a published study, a “methods” section, in which researchers describe how they “isolated the virus.” I sent it to Dr. Andrew Kaufman [1], and he provided his analysis in detail.

 

I found several studies that used very similar language in explaining how “SARS-CoV-2 was isolated.” For example, “Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 from Patient with Coronavirus Disease, United States, (Emerging Infectious Diseases, Vol. 26, No. 6 — June 2020)” [2].

 

First, I want to provide a bit of background that will help the reader understand what is going on in the study.

The researchers are creating a soup in the lab. This soup contains a number of compounds. The researchers assume, without evidence, that “the virus” is in this soup. At no time do they separate the purported virus from the surrounding material in the soup. Isolation of the virus is not occurring.

 

They set about showing that the monkey (and/or human cells) they put in the soup are dying. This cell-death, they claim, is being caused by “the virus.” However, as you’ll see, Dr. Kaufman dismantles this claim.

 

There is no reason to infer that SARS-CoV-2 is in the soup at all, or that it is killing cells.

 

Finally, the researchers assert, with no proof or rational explanation, that they were able to discover the genetic sequence of “the virus.”

 

Here are the study’s statements claiming isolation, alternated with Dr. Kaufman’s analysis:

 

STUDY: “We used Vero CCL-81 cells for isolation and initial passage…”

 

KAUFMAN: “Vero cells are foreign cells from the kidneys of monkeys and a source of contamination. Virus particles should be purified directly from clinical samples in order to prove the virus actually exists. Isolation means separation from everything else. So how can you separate/isolate a virus when you add it to something else?”

 

STUDY: “…We cultured Vero E6, Vero CCL-81, HUH 7.0, 293T, A549, and EFKB3 cells in Dulbecco minimal essential medium (DMEM) supplemented with heat-inactivated fetal bovine serum (5% or 10%)…”

 

KAUFMAN: “Why use minimal essential media, which provides incomplete nutrition [to the cells]? Fetal bovine serum is a source of foreign genetic material and extracellular vesicles, which are indistinguishable from viruses.”

 

STUDY: “…We used both NP and OP swab specimens for virus isolation. For isolation, limiting dilution, and passage 1 of the virus, we pipetted 50 μL of serum-free DMEM into columns 2–12 of a 96-well tissue culture plate, then pipetted 100 μL of clinical specimens into column 1 and serially diluted 2-fold across the plate…”

 

KAUFMAN: “Once again, misuse of the word isolation.”

 

STUDY: “…We then trypsinized and resuspended Vero cells in DMEM containing 10% fetal bovine serum, 2× penicillin/streptomycin, 2× antibiotics/antimycotics, and 2× amphotericin B at a concentration of 2.5 × 105 cells/mL…”

 

KAUFMAN: “Trypsin is a pancreatic enzyme that digests proteins. Wouldn’t that cause damage to the cells and particles in the culture which have proteins on their surfaces, including the so called spike protein?”

 

KAUFMAN: “Why are antibiotics added? Sterile technique is used for the culture. Bacteria may be easily filtered out of the clinical sample by commercially available filters (GIBCO) [3]. Finally, bacteria may be easily seen under the microscope and would be readily identified if they were contaminating the sample. The specific antibiotics used, streptomycin and amphotericin (aka ‘ampho-terrible’), are toxic to the kidneys and we are using kidney cells in this experiment! Also note they are used at ‘2X’ concentration, which appears to be twice the normal amount. These will certainly cause damage to the Vero cells.”

 

STUDY: “…We added [not isolated] 100 μL of cell suspension directly to the clinical specimen dilutions and mixed gently by pipetting. We then grew the inoculated cultures in a humidified 37°C incubator in an atmosphere of 5% CO2 and observed for cytopathic effects (CPEs) daily. We used standard plaque assays for SARS-CoV-2, which were based on SARS-CoV and Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) protocols…”

 

STUDY: “When CPEs were observed, we scraped cell monolayers with the back of a pipette tip…”

 

KAUFMAN: “There was no negative control experiment described. Control experiments are required for a valid interpretation of the results. Without that, how can we know if it was the toxic soup of antibiotics, minimal nutrition, and dying tissue from a sick person which caused the cellular damage or a phantom virus? A proper control would consist of the same exact experiment except that the clinical specimen should come from a person with illness unrelated to covid, such as cancer, since that would not contain a virus.”

 

STUDY: “…We used 50 μL of viral lysate for total nucleic acid extraction for confirmatory testing and sequencing. We also used 50 μL of virus lysate to inoculate a well of a 90% confluent 24-well plate.”

 

KAUFMAN: “How do you confirm something that was never previously shown to exist? What did you compare the genetic sequences to? How do you know the origin of the genetic material since it came from a cell culture containing material from humans and all their microflora, fetal cows, and monkeys?”

 

—end of study quotes and Kaufman analysis—

 

My comments: Dr. Kaufman does several things here. He shows that isolation, in any meaningful sense of the word “isolation,” is not occurring.

 

Dr. Kaufman also shows that the researchers want to use damage to the cells and cell-death as proof that “the virus” is in the soup they are creating. In other words, the researchers are assuming that if the cells are dying, it must be the virus that is doing the killing. But Dr. Kaufman shows there are obvious other reasons for cell damage and death that have nothing to do with a virus. Therefore, no proof exists that “the virus” is in the soup or exists at all.

 

And finally, Dr. Kaufman explains that the claim of genetic sequencing of “the virus” is absurd, because there is no proof that the virus is present. How do you sequence something when you haven’t shown it exists?

 

Readers who are unfamiliar with my work (over 300 articles on the subject of the “pandemic” during the past year [4]) will ask: Then why are people dying? What about the huge number of cases and deaths? I have answered these and other questions in great detail. The subject of this article is: have researchers proved SARS-CoV-2 exists?

 

The answer is no.

 

 

2) Dr Stefan Lanka's CPE Control Experiment

 

And, since then, Dr Stefan Lanka has made public the results of his control experiment in contrast to the methods employed in the CDC study. He has found that claimed cytopatic effect of SARS-CoV-2 can be induced without any infected material. The damage and death of cells which takes place in a cell culture is not virus specific and therefore cannot and must not be claimed as evidence of a disease-causing virus. The death of tissue cells in the test tube occurs in the same way without any infected material.

 

https://davidicke.com/2021/04/25/dr-stefan-lanka-experiment-shows-that-its-not-a-virus-that-kills-cells-but-the-laboratory-process-they-use-to-claim-a-virus-kills-cell-its-all-a-scam/

 

https://odysee.com/@DeansDanes:1/cpe-english:f

 

 

3) Dr Tom Cowan and Sally Fallon Morrell's Criticisms

 

And, what is more, the CDC study has also been heavily criticised by Dr Tom Cowan and Sally Fallon Morrell as it reveals that the alleged genome of SARS-CoV-2 - following the alleged "isolation" of the virus - has been pieced together on a computer. This is what Dr Tom Cowan has said on the matter:

 

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This week, my colleague and friend Sally Fallon Morrell brought to my attention an amazing article put out by the CDC, published in June 2020. The article's purpose was for a group of about 20 virologists to describe the state of the science of the isolation, purification and biological characteristics of the new SARS-CoV-2 virus, and to share this information with other scientists for their own research. A thorough and careful reading of this important paper reveals some shocking findings. In fact, the article section "Whole Genome Sequencing" shows that, rather than having isolated the virus and sequencing the genome from end to end, that the CDC "designed 37 pairs of nested PCRs spanning the genome on the basis of the coronavirus reference sequence (Genbank accession no. NC045512)".

 

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1 hour ago, DarianF said:

 

Righteous anger! I love it.

 

PS. I should have mentioned, the hole punch idea as a last resort. Worst case scenario, if kid has to wear it, at least give little breathing holes.

And cut off all the layers... Tetra cotton is the best breathing material - bugs would go through these holes.... Maybe do your own from it? 😐

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44 minutes ago, BridgeBuilder said:

 

A brother of someone I know lives in New Dehli and he confirmed that people are dying on the street. No amount of money can get you an oxygen tank. Whether you believe me is up to you but I am just relaying the message and he is nothing to do with conspiracy or truther community and he has no reason to make things up. So my suggestion is to ask an Indian person you know. If you are in Bradford, Manchester, London.... there are enough Indians. Speak to an Indian deliverloo person when he is looking bored waiting for the next call.

 

I am thinking it could be 5G, something that is making them breathless.

If people are buying up the oxygen and they don’t need it in preparation in case they do need it then the people who would have needed it won’t be able to get it and will die. This is more likely a supply and demand issue. 
 

Musk is rolling out his 5g later this year unless it has already arrived in the poor areas. 
 

also all that burning bodies in the streets in that red hot heat is likely to make anyone ill. 

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Went out of my way to layout 100's of bits of information to my daughters best friends mum, to try n save them. I got through to her with undeniable info and short vids, stats and figures. I was like a council estate trevor Mcdee. Masks, PCR, ethylene Oxide,lies by politicians, contracts showing covid carries on 4ever...everything u could in a hour...id got through...another victim saved

 

or so i thought

 

daughter comes home from school and says her friends had jab

 

shocked..cant be true ther not doing kids...i got the wife text her mum.

 

no shes not had jab shes had test, she had symptoms so we did a test.......1 in morning 1 in night, n 1 this morning just to be safe....shes 8

 

wifes done school run.......shunned, mother avoids her.

 

 

DOGMA. im running out of words.

 

what do you do..... leave them to it

 

 

i do not want to be saying or even thinking ''I TOLD YOU SO'' if children lose there lives to this vax......fuckinhell fire

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Just now, Liberty said:

If people are buying up the oxygen and they don’t need it in preparation in case they do need it then the people who would have needed it won’t be able to get it and will die. This is more likely a supply and demand issue. 
 

Musk is rolling out his 5g later this year unless it has already arrived in the poor areas. 
 

also all that burning bodies in the streets in that red hot heat is likely to make anyone ill. 

It's possible that Elon's satellite is testing India....

But as per this post, we don't know which version of vax has been rolled out.... Serum Institute was making one.

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Just now, BridgeBuilder said:

 

Fuck off.

 

If you scroll back to some of my posts with current stats, putting the Indian hype into perspective, any rational person will see its media virus fear baalocks.

 

People die in the street in India everyday, the country has 27,000 deaths a day.

The country is MASSIVE.

 

200k a year of TB.

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/seeing-the-invisible/yes-850-died-of-covid-recently-in-a-day-but-27000-die-every-day-in-india/

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4 minutes ago, Human10 said:

It's vaccine rollout...

yeah definately..

 

the data line graphs 100% show correlation. When you hear on the radio...a Britsh globalist saying they need British help...you know deep down...theyv fucked it

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Just now, oddsnsods said:

 

If you scroll back to some of my posts with current stats, putting the Indian hype into perspective, any rational person will see its media virus fear baalocks.

 

People die in the street in India everyday, the country has 27,000 deaths a day.

The country is MASSIVE.

 

200k a year of TB.

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/seeing-the-invisible/yes-850-died-of-covid-recently-in-a-day-but-27000-die-every-day-in-india/

 

Yeah I get it. People die in the UK and India too but I believe my friend's brother over in India. That's why I ask you all to enquire yourself.

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3 minutes ago, BridgeBuilder said:

It's possible that Elon's satellite is testing India....

But as per this post, we don't know which version of vax has been rolled out.... Serum Institute was making one.

It was the Astra Zeneca which was named covishield over there. And one they made themselves called covaxin. 

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1 minute ago, BridgeBuilder said:

 

Yeah I get it. People die in the UK and India too but I believe my friend's brother over in India. That's why I ask you all to enquire yourself.

Your not getting attacked here.....its interesting what you say.

 

But mayhem can be created.....if say all hospitals in uk stopped accepting all lung problems in hospitals saying they were full...it would be a awful site...put that in a overpopulated country and war zone.  im not discounting somebodies truth.. 

 

take over here, all people requiring oxygen tanks for a large number of respitary illnesses and diagnose as covid or probable covid, only allow them on 1 ward in hospital, direct them to a particular hospital, cut staff by pcr testing n send some home...then for these nurses left...this would be there warzone.

 

scenes get set in real life with a email sent down from above

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9 minutes ago, GOYK said:

yeah definately..

 

the data line graphs 100% show correlation. When you hear on the radio...a Britsh globalist saying they need British help...you know deep down...theyv fucked it

Same Poland - graphs with covid and deaths covers - the more the inject the more are deaths, slows down when they do less jabs... I'm a little surprised how it works - I expected other diseases not covid... But smart move - morons are more willing to take it when they see deaths on the streets and more deaths and...  Until all lemmings jump off the cliff.🥴

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4 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

 

Reality check:

 

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https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths

 

Sorry but this Covid death does not exist. People died from other causes such as medical murder, car accident and they slapped "Death by Covid" on the death cert. So by this, this chart means nothing unless you are a believer of Covid death.

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2 minutes ago, Human10 said:

Same Poland - graphs with covid and deaths covers - the more the inject the more are deaths, slows down when they do less jabs... I'm a little surprised how it works - I expected other diseases not covid... But smart move - morons are more willing to take it when they see deaths on the streets and more deaths and...  Until all lemmings jump off the cliff.🥴

 

You can't control others. They've already decided their own fate.

What you can make sure is that you stay on the right side of the cliff.

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1 minute ago, BridgeBuilder said:

 

Sorry but this Covid death does not exist. People died from other causes such as medical murder, car accident and they slapped "Death by Covid" on the death cert. So by this, this chart means nothing unless you are a believer of Covid death.

But well represents real scale and perspective of the Indian 'problem'...

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