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18 hours ago, oddsnsods said:

Phone booth drones.

 

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Fear +  low iq + spinelessness = the phone booth people. 

 

Will that new fashion accessory protect them against malnutrition as a result of a gigantic economic crash? Morons. They look so happy. It's hilarious and sad at the same time.

 

 

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On 8/21/2020 at 3:33 PM, Fluke said:

That reminds me I need to give the prop back to the vets that they gave for my greyhound to stop him licking his wounds. (Serious) 

 

These people have no shame. Almost as if a part of this agenda is for the sexual gratification of the some perverted controller having the masses wear gimp masks in submission. Humiliation and depravity. 

 

Yes,  that is what it is a wound recovery cone for a dog, made in China, repurposed for so-called COVID protection purposes for humans.  It is how inicative the of how extreme the BS is. Not to mention, how can staff work safely with so much of their vision obscured, far more so than when a dog is wearing one.    

 

I do think you have something there with the gimp masks being power and control.    Is that why we never see Bill Gates wearing a mask?

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Captain Falcon said:

 

Fear +  low iq + spinelessness = the phone booth people. 

 

Will that new fashion accessory protect them against malnutrition as a result of a gigantic economic crash? Morons. They look so happy. It's hilarious and sad at the same time.

 

 

 

They were originally designed as weather protectors, which in my opinion are rather bizzare contraptions in the first place, but are repurposed for the COVID protection bandwagon.   You can also wear a pop-up tent indoors. 

 

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I think these would be ideal for social distancing champions and the police to wear.

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1 hour ago, Captain Falcon said:

 

Fear +  low iq + spinelessness = the phone booth people. 

 

Will that new fashion accessory protect them against malnutrition as a result of a gigantic economic crash? Morons. They look so happy. It's hilarious and sad at the same time.

 

 

 

They look well fed.

 

Personally I want to go 5 rounds with them in a boxing ring!

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2 hours ago, SuperstarNeilC said:

 

 

Valid points. However, Katie Hopkins can't see past her nose, is limited and only goes so far.  All those years she was going on about Islam being the enemy. I bet she wished Islam had taken over now. 🤣 She was military trained at Sandhurst, suspect in my opinion.

 

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One of our suppliers at work is a wholesaler of products for the restaurant, catering and hospitality sectors.

 

I was on their website yesterday, and saw they have a new 'Social Distance' product category to order from:

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The future of food service and many other businesses will change forever. Here we have a special selection of products and ideas to help you to prepare for the new normal.

 

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Social distancing is the new normal. We can help you with solutions for entrances and exits to guide your guests at a safe distance through your business. From separation screens to signage, from barrier ropes to tape, and from stickers to sneeze guards.

 

Does anyone seriously really think that this is all somehow 'temporary'?

 

Lucky for us this is just one range of products that we sell at work, its no coincidence that our sales of catering and restaurant stuff have really dried up in the last couple of weeks, this whole industry is doomed to failure if this carries on.

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Un employé de supermarché malmené par des gendarmes pour avoir mal positionné son masque 22 août 2020, 15:58

En savoir plus sur RT France : https://francais.rt.com/france/78144-employe-supermarche-malmene-par-gendarmes-pour-avoir-mal-positionne-masque

https://francais.rt.com/france/78144-employe-supermarche-malmene-par-gendarmes-pour-avoir-mal-positionne-masque

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BBC:

Coronavirus will be with us forever, Sage scientist warns

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53875189

 

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Coronavirus will be present "forever in some form or another", a member of the government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) has said.

Sir Mark Walport said people would need to be vaccinated at regular intervals.

His comments come after the head of the World Health Organization (WHO) said he hoped the pandemic would be over within two years, as the Spanish flu had taken two years to overcome.

Sir Mark said denser populations and travel meant the virus spread easily.

He also said the world population was now much larger than in 1918.

 

Well, duh, yeah, because "coronavirus" has been around forever already.

 

It is not 'a specific virus', Coronavirus is a whole family of viruses, most notably the 'common cold'.

 

Unless there are plans in place to finally find a cure for "the common cold" (which would really upset the massive pharmaceutical cartel who make millions every year from selling their 'cold and flu remedies'), coronavirus is not simply going to 'go away'.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, alfredo79 said:

Un employé de supermarché malmené par des gendarmes pour avoir mal positionné son masque 22 août 2020, 15:58

En savoir plus sur RT France : https://francais.rt.com/france/78144-employe-supermarche-malmene-par-gendarmes-pour-avoir-mal-positionne-masque

https://francais.rt.com/france/78144-employe-supermarche-malmene-par-gendarmes-pour-avoir-mal-positionne-masque

 

Sacré bleu! Oppression d'État!

 

 

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6 hours ago, Seeker said:

What would cause for so many people to be negative and some positive, and some positive at one time but negative another time? Remember a goat and pawpaw fruit tested positive! 

 

I lack the expertise to provide a definitive answer so I have to rely on other sources.

 

But, aside from chromosome 8, some alternative suggestions as to the causes of false positives (and presumably negatives) include:

 

1) Failure to properly isolate SARS-CoV-2

 

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/03/16/study-suggests-potential-high-rate-of-false-positives-for-covid-19-testing/

 

Although nothing is confirmed yet, and perhaps new testing methods are emerging, it’s possible that the reason for poor accuracy in testing is due to the fact that the virus itself was not properly isolated and purified to create accurate testing. This would be in accordance with Koch’s postulates which suggest that in order to accurately identify a virus and test for it one must follow 4 key steps.

 

Although some scientists claim to have isolated the virus according to Koch's postulates, their claims apparently fall apart when scrutinised.

 

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/09/scientists-have-utterly-failed-to-prove-that-the-coronavirus-fulfills-kochs-postulates/

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/

 

2) Contamination or human error

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.26.20080911v1.full.pdf

 

According to the above study which was pre-printed just a few days ago, and which appears to have got microbiologists excited, "PCR amplification of nucleic acids contribute to test sensitivity but also creates vulnerabilities to minute levels of sample contamination, which can produce false positives that are indistinguishable from true positives".

 

It is further suggested that the most likely cause of false positives is sample contamination or human error.

 

This study is very interesting because it raises concerns about the high false positive rate of the PCR test, suggests that a positive result is more likely to be wrong than a negative result and thus questions the usefulness of mass testing (contrary to public health advice).

 

Failure to appreciate the potential frequency of false positives and the consequent unreliability of positive test results across a range of scenarios could unnecessarily remove critical workers from service, expose uninfected individuals to greater risk of infection, delay or impede appropriate medical treatment, lead to inappropriate treatment, degrade patient care, waste personal protective equipment, waste human resources in unnecessary contact tracing, hinder the development of clinical improvements, and weaken clinical trials.

 

I was encouraged to read some of the comments of microbiologists from the following URL, many of which linked to the above study:

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.26.20080911v3

 

This includes comments such as "no-one is following the science", "no-one is reading the science - basically no-one", followed by "of course not $$$$$$$$"!

 

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12 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

Thanks for posting this @zarkov - I have seen the original "bombshell" findings from from the link below doing the rounds on social media the last few days.

 

https://pieceofmindful.com/2020/04/06/bombshell-who-coronavirus-pcr-test-primer-sequence-is-found-in-all-human-dna/

 

I almost posted it myself but then read the comments which made me cautious about the conclusions. It is this rebuttal in particular that gave me pause for thought:

 

 

There was only one response to this comment from the individual who made the discovery:

 

 

I am no microbiologist but, if I understand correctly, the issue with the findings is that the RT PCR test only works with RNA strands - see link and quote below.

 

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/infectious-positive-pcr-test-result-covid-19/

 

 

Chromosome 8 is DNA and therefore cannot apparently be used to perform the reverse transcriptase step which raises doubts as to whether chromosome 8 is behind the false positives.

 

I don't know if there is anyone reading this with enough understanding to help shed some light on the above?

 

I can see why your cautious 

I will also do a bit more digging on this,  and need to rationalise the process for myself too.

 

But for now as I comprehend it rNA is a single strand of unzipped DNA with uracil instead of thymine.  & DNA is double strand.

If DNA is replicating - replacement - then it is going to be expressed  ie if its present in DNA then it will also corresondingly be in rNA. (with uracil instead of thymine)

 

Also if tests are contaminated as some have been shown to be, then it is 100% positive if the process is contiually amplified. the degree of amplification detemines positive or negative result!

 

Another question that springs to mind is that they claim it is an rNA virus but I see thymine on all the listed sequences and shouldn't they be uracil? 

I guess I am being a bit thick !   I have read that sars cov2 is supposedly a double stranded rNA virus (apparantly) 

Also uracil is far less stable to photochemical effects that thymine! why would something be expressed this way esp if so unstable?

It is confounding!

 

I believe overall, this is intentionally confounding - to obscure the ridiculous !

exosomes appear to be more plausible each passing day!

 

Edit  - RT reverse transcriptase test - I knew I was being thick ! apologies - I wont cover my ineptitude either! Senior moment 😉

 

but it still stands that the sequence matches human !

 

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Good luck to them!

 

https://humansarefree.com/2020/08/240-belgians-sue-bill-gates-neil-ferguson-and-the-belgian-state-over-coronavirus-restrictions.html

240 Belgians Sue Bill Gates, Neil Ferguson, and the Belgian State Over Coronavirus Restrictions

Bill Gates, Belgium and a British epidemiologist are being taken to court by hundreds of Belgians who are against all coronavirus regulations and want to get them abolished.

 

Around 240 Belgians have joined a group called Viruswaanzin, which translates to ‘viral madness’ in Dutch and was launched by members of the restaurant and hospitality industry, according to their lawyer Michael Verstraeten.

 

Verstraeten told The Brussels Times that their aim was to get the Belgian government to revoke all coronavirus regulations, which they say trample on their freedoms and have done more harm than good in the current health crisis.

 

“With no lockdown, there would have been fewer deaths,” Verstraeten said. “You have no idea how many people are dying due to lockdown.”

 

On their website, the group regularly publishes posts challenging research and estimates which have driven coronavirus measures in Belgium and abroad.

“We think that other measures are needed, measures which don’t limit the economy and the rights and freedoms of people,” the lawyer said.

 

A central argument of the group is that data on the impact of lockdowns on mortality rates remains unclear and that lockdowns would ultimately cause more deaths because of the postponement of non-urgent medical procedures to bolster the Covid-19 response.

 

Through their civil suit, Viruswaanzin will argue that faulty prediction models were used by governments to make health policy decisions “in a panic” and will seek to obtain a penalty €10,000 per plaintiff for each day the measures remain in place.

 

“If you take measures out of panic, you can make mistakes and end up with more deaths than if you had taken no measures,” the attorney said.

 

240 Belgians vs. Bill Gates, Neil Ferguson and the Belgian state

A second, criminal complaint is also in the works and will target not only the Belgian state, but also Belgian virologists, and Microsoft CEO Bill Gates and British epidemiologist, Neil Ferguson.

 

The group are attacking Gates in court because of his status as a top contributor to the World Health Organisation (WHO) and over his various funding projects into coronavirus treatments and vaccines, while they are going after Ferguson — a top advisor to the WHO and, until recently, to the UK government — for producing mortality and infection rates estimates which they say are “completely wrong.”

 

Dr Ferguson, who stepped down from his role as a government advisor in May after he was reported to have broken lockdown rules, did not reply to a written request for comment.

Since its launch, Verstraeten said that hundreds of other people from across Belgium had rushed to become plaintiffs in the suit, despite the fact that their first attempt to get their case to the courts was rejected on the basis of research done by Dr Ferguson.

Plagued Plaintiffs

For their appearances in court, the plaintiffs have taken to wearing eye-catching plague doctor masks, which Verstraeten said aim to send the message that governments are “pestering” the population with regulations based on information that, to them, is at best uncertain, and at worst, flat out fake.

 

“More and more people feel bad about these measures, they feel like they are in a completely different society — they don’t feel at home anymore,” he said, adding that some were even thinking of moving but did not know where.

 

“There are a lot of conflicts, people are scared and bullied because they have another idea, a different opinion. Scientists don’t get their articles published if they don’t match the views of the WHO.”

 

Verstraeten, who claimed he had contracted Covid-19 himself, repeatedly compared the coronavirus to the flu, and brushed off the high death rates of the ongoing pandemic as comparable to those of a “severe flu” saying it was “complete nonsense” to say that the novel coronavirus was “killer virus.”

 

Questioned about which sort of measures would be seen as appropriate by Viruswaanzin, Verstraeten said that a central demand was for the government to “properly inform at-risk populations” so that they could decide for themselves which measures to follow.

 

“What we want is for them to support the health care sector, the hospitals and the health staff on the front lines, and to protect and properly inform at-risk populations, instead of taking general measures applicable to everybody,” he said.

 

After an opening hearing at the Brussels Court of Appeal on Tuesday, pleading for the case will debut on 14 October.

 

The arguments advanced by Viruswaanzin echo early assessments of the novel coronavirus — which has caused more than half a million deaths globally — as comparable or equal to the flu, including by Belgium’s own federal health minister, who referred to the coronavirus as “a little flu” just as the first wave of the epidemic hit Europe.

 

The group’s rejection of the containment measure is akin to the resistance that has emerged in countries like the Netherlands or the US, where large swaths of the population have staged protests against the mandatory use of face masks or the closure of non-essential businesses to fight the spread of the virus behind the current pandemic.

 

The plaintiff’s lawsuit now comes as Belgium rushes to rein in emerging coronavirus clusters by imposing some of the strictest measures in Europe in what officials say are efforts to avoid a new country-wide lockdown.

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This probably should be its own topic but I'll run with it here. Hopefully someone with more knowledge of how it might work can offer insight because to me it's so blatantly unsustainable there's no outcome other than complete collapse. This relates to business in general, too.

 

I've just travelled in and out of London for the umpteenth time in the last few months on trains with passenger numbers massively below pre-farce. They were actually empty when I started using them in early May, yet they have run a timetable throughout this pantomime which has been pretty much similar to normal times. The train companies, who are private businesses, depend (I wouldn't go as far as to say survive because they'll never cut into the invested money) on their shareholders making profits. They increase prices every year regardless, as businesses do in a capitalist society, much to the annoyance of passengers (and which is always relayed through the media).

 

Unless I've missed where govt said they'll subsidise railways, it's difficult to know why they are still running like clockwork, despite users being down to a handful for months and the huge shadow of millions of people never again travelling to work in the city hanging over them? Businesses don't function like that.

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here is one major reason why Youtube video's are censored

CNN Interview with Youtube CEO Susan Wojcicki about Statements against the WHO - Ploud Video France      01:15

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....Then we are also talking about removing content that is problematic. Of course everything that is medically unsubstatiated, so people saying like take Vitamin C, take ...[not understood]. those will cure you. Those are examples of things that would be a violation of our policy. Anything that would go against WHO recommendations would be a violation of youtube policy.

 

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Here is a full video about the chromosome 8 DNA findings and the PCR test using WHO guidelines.

 

Please get this copied anyone that can as it will get pulled off soon for sure and its one for the evidence pile for sure. It echoes what Doctor Andrew Kaufman has been saying all along. It is the full video of what is used in Max Igans video. 

 

 

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13 hours ago, BlueSky said:

Max Igan's latest about what they're doing with the tests.

Watched this vid last night. Max has some good info, but the robot in Dubai is called Titan and its nothing more than a man in a robot suit, from the chest up there are some electronic components to move head etc. It was first seen at Glastonbury festival in 2004. There is a window in the chest for the human occupant to look out from. Apart from that glaring error not a bad vid with some very interesting somewhat horrifying info in it.

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