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1 minute ago, owen said:

When I go onto the medical site to get his email now, they have a notice up stating they are not giving out exemptions to anybody,

 

that is to be played to your advantage, print an exemption card as doctors won't do any & it is self certification.

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Haha, I've been censored by the Birmingham Mail! 🤣

 

'Nobody is dying - so why talk of a Birmingham lockdown?' - we ask the experts

Birmingham is facing a threat of new lockdown restrictions amid rising positive cases - but very few of those infected are getting seriously ill. What is going on?

See: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/nobody-dying-talk-birmingham-lockdown-18795463

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But while the number of positive test results are going up, the city's hospitals and GPs are not seeing a corresponding rise in people getting seriously ill.

That's left some people confused and at odds with each other about what needs to be done and how best to protect the city's residents.

Even medics locally have differing opinions about what the statistics mean, and how big a threat coronavirus poses to the city.

 

We posed the question that plenty of people are asking on social media and in communities: If people are not getting ill, or dying, from coronavirus right now, why is the city contemplating new restrictions?

What we know: on deaths and serious illnesses

Since coronavirus first appeared in the city in early March, thousands of lives have been lost, in hospitals, care homes and at home.

But in the past four weeks, the death toll has been small, with zero deaths for several days.

University Hospitals Birmingham, which runs Queen Elizabeth, Heartlands, Good Hope and Solihull hospitals, has registered 972 deaths from coronavirus in all - of those, ten have occurred in the four weeks since July 23.

At Sandwell and West Birmingham hospitals, the overall death toll stands at 382 - of those, there have been just two since July 23.

The number of critically ill patients is also negligible.

What the hospital medic says

Dr Ron Daniels, an intensive care doctor at hospitals in the city for University Hospitals Birmingham, said the number of critically ill people has continued to be negligible, with zero deaths reported for days - and says that this is the measure that should determine what happens next.

Relying on testing and positivity data - which he says is misleading - could push the city into an 'unnecessary' lockdown.

Dr Daniels spoke up in frustration after seeing coverage about rising infection rates in the city.

"The amount of testing is going up, so there are more cases. The positivity rate is also going up (the proportion of people testing positive, proportionate to the number of tests). But there are no deaths, and very few people becoming critically ill, even five weeks after lockdown measures were eased," he said.

"There may be more cases in the community, but people are not getting sick."

He said he believed illness would by now be filtering through to hospitals if the virus was prevalent and as vicious as in the early months of the pandemic.

He added: "I looked after many 20, 30 and 40 year olds in intensive care during the pandemic. They are not immune to the worst effects. If there are so many people with active cases of the virus, we would be starting to see some now presenting (in hospital) with serious illness, but we are not.

"That suggests to me that either many of the positive cases being detected now have fragments of the virus left from an earlier illness, or the virus itself has weakened." 

He said today: "I think there needs to be a balance between the highly cautious approach of public health specialists and the levels of sickness we are seeing.

"We are now five to six weeks after opening up our pubs and so on. Allowing for incubation of the virus, and for symptoms to worsen, we would by now expect to have seen at least some evidence of new cases and fortunately that is not happening.

"I have spoken to acute sector colleagues who also cannot understand why there is so much alarm.

"If I started to see an increase in admissions then of course we would need to lock that down - but we are seeing nothing.

"I absolutely support all of the messages about social distancing, hand hygiene, wearing a mask, especially if you are within two metres of others, and so on.

"But what concerns me is the impact of adding in so much alarm.

"People have been saying to me - just wait two weeks, then you'll see a difference - they said it around the Black Lives Matter protests, around pubs and shops reopening, around other events, and what we are seeing is more people testing positive but not the illness itself.

"This (messaging) concerns me because we are seeing the impact of the fear and anxiety through those presenting with mental health issues, anxiety, self neglect through not eating properly, people self harming and attempting suicide as their health deteriorates.

"We are also having people present with severe illnesses that they should have come in to hospital with much sooner, but they are delaying getting medical help still.

"They are far sicker than they should be - it's vital we ensure people heed the message that the NHS is open, that we are here to help them."

 

There's more in this article. So I left a comment, basically supporting Dr Daniels' view, and asking the questions that really got omitted.

 

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4 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

Haha, I've been censored by the Birmingham Mail! 🤣

'Nobody is dying - so why talk of a Birmingham lockdown?' - we ask the experts

Birmingham is facing a threat of new lockdown restrictions amid rising positive cases - but very few of those infected are getting seriously ill. What is going on?

See: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/nobody-dying-talk-birmingham-lockdown-18795463

 

There's more in this article. So I left a comment, basically supporting Dr Daniels' view, and asking the questions that really got omitted.

 

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Ahhhh so may likes for this and oddsnsods and mit eve - but none of them left (don't waste one giving me one for this) wish we had more - 3 great little posts - WELL liked 👍

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5 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Although on the face of it this appears to be good news, the judges ruled yesterday that it was only the first 9 days of the New Zealand lockdown which were unlawful - the first 9 days before any orders were passed on April 3rd. Otherwise, it was deemed that, after April 3rd, the lockdown "was a necessary, reasonable and proportionate response to the COVID-19 crisis at the time"...

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8642299/New-Zealands-High-Court-rules-lockdown-UNLAWFUL-people-wrongly-forced-stay-home.html

New Zealand's High Court rules country's first lockdown was UNLAWFUL - with people wrongly forced to stay at home for nine days

  • New Zealand's lockdown measures from March 26 to April 3 partially illegal
  • Directives to stay at home under threat of punishment breached civil liberties 
  • The High Court of New Zealand made a ruling over the measures on Wednesday
  • But judges have agreed the measures were necessary for community safety


I sincerely hope the good people of new zealand only read the headline and play merry hell with the bastards for this.

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2 hours ago, dumbcritic said:

There are no good cops

 

 

 

When it is protecting the elite's agenda, (the police have a sworn oath to the Queen, not to the people who pay their wages via enforced taxation) the police will go all out tracking "offenders". They are desperate to keep the illusion up of a dangerous pandemic virus and such events like this expose the fraud. There were the police drones tracking lone walkers on the moors and shaming such actions.  A party with 200 guests and as a result how many deaths - it will be a fat zero!

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6 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Although on the face of it this appears to be good news, the judges ruled yesterday that it was only the first 9 days of the New Zealand lockdown which were unlawful - the first 9 days before any orders were passed on April 3rd. Otherwise, it was deemed that, after April 3rd, the lockdown "was a necessary, reasonable and proportionate response to the COVID-19 crisis at the time"...

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8642299/New-Zealands-High-Court-rules-lockdown-UNLAWFUL-people-wrongly-forced-stay-home.html

New Zealand's High Court rules country's first lockdown was UNLAWFUL - with people wrongly forced to stay at home for nine days

  • New Zealand's lockdown measures from March 26 to April 3 partially illegal
  • Directives to stay at home under threat of punishment breached civil liberties 
  • The High Court of New Zealand made a ruling over the measures on Wednesday
  • But judges have agreed the measures were necessary for community safety

 

Partially illegal? It is illegal or not illegal. The people who are responsible for this and enforcing an unlawful lockdown should have their personal assets sequestrated to pay for compensation to those unlawfully imprisoned.

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1 hour ago, sickofallthebollocks said:


I sincerely hope the good people of new zealand only read the headline and play merry hell with the bastards for this.

 

And pigs might fly 🐷

 

Though I will say that although I am not in Auckland, where I am, and in surrounding towns/cities (I travel around a bit), I have seen very very few people wearing masks, only around four or five; and I was most surprised when an older lady said to me in the supermarket the other day, what’s all the fuss about, if people have got a flu or cold, they should just stay home; we agreed it was just common sense; then she shocked me more by saying, I wonder what their agenda is; lol.

I had to go so only had time to say it’s all about control; she called out as I was going, I know; lol again.

 

And also with this new political party, they are getting the message out as well; apparently they are doing very well; so it does give me hope, and I do have a feeling that ‘our dear leader’ is heading for a fall.

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3 hours ago, dumbcritic said:

There are no good cops

 

 

wow, these are videos you normally see in Iraq, Afghanistan that then get bombed.

 

i see peoplle climibing over fences to get to the party. i think a lot of gatecrashers there

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Official - the COVID cases and deaths are over recorded [email protected]  Once again another over recording of statistics sexing up COVID numbers.
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STATS WRONG 

Coronavirus hospital admissions were over-counted as recovered patients returning without Covid included in stats

 
  • 20 Aug 2020, 23:17
  • Updated: 20 Aug 2020, 23:17

 

CORONAVIRUS hospital admissions were over-counted as recovered patients returning without Covid were included in stats, it's been revealed.

An investigation for the Government's Science Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) found that people were being counted as 'Covid hospital admissions' if they had EVER had the virus.

Government figures show that, at the peak of the pandemic in early April, nearly 20,000 people a week were being admitted to hospital with coronavirus - but the true figure is unknown because of the problem with over-counting.

This over-counting mirrors the problems with data for coronavirus deaths - where people who had died of other causes were being included in Covid-19 statistics if they had once tested positive.

Professor Graham Medley, of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, asked by Sage to look into the situation, told The Telegraph: "By June, it was becoming clear that people were being admitted to hospital for non-Covid reasons who had tested positive many weeks before.

"Consequently, the NHS revised its situation report to accommodate this."

OVER-COUNTING CRISIS

This means that the current state of the epidemic has likely not been wholly accurate.

Professor Carl Heneghan, the director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said: "The admissions data is a crucial point.

"I'd say it is more important than the death data because it is the best marker of the impact of the disease."

The issue came to light on June 18, when Sage minutes record that Government scientists registered concern that non-Covid patients were being included in the outbreak data.

Public Health England, the NHS Medical Director and Prof Medley were asked to convene a group to find the "ground truth".

Prof Medley said: "With any epidemic of a new disease, there is always a period during which the clinical manifestation of the disease is being developed.

"The initial aim is to be as complete as possible, even though there will be overestimation.

"So, we saw with the death statistics, that initially a 'Covid death' was defined as any death in which the person had previously tested positive.

"The same is true, but even more so, for hospital admissions.

"In order to capture all the potential manifestations of the disease at the start of the epidemic, all admissions of people who had tested positive were counted as 'Covid-related admissions'."

 

Experts said knowing the correct admissions figures was crucial, not only for determining how many people are really being hospitalised with the virus but also for working out death rates.

 

Prof Heneghan added: "If admissions are going up, then that should drive the lockdown.

 

"But currently you have people with active infections, those who have tested positive but have been discharged, and those who have contracted it in hospital, so it isn't helpful.

"This really does need sorting out as we go into the winter, otherwise we get into this noisy position where we can't understand what's going on.

 

"There will be loads of people coming in with different conditions who have survived this, so it's a huge problem.

"It's clouding our judgment as to whether the disease is having a significant impact."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/12459291/coronavirus-hospital-admissions

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30 minutes ago, Orange Alert said:

Official - the COVID cases and deaths are over recorded [email protected]  Once again another over recording of statistics sexing up COVID numbers.

 

This piece from your quote, that’s bullshit too; We were shown empty hospitals with doctors and nurses making up dances etc cause they had nothing to do; their lies are pathetic.

 

33 minutes ago, Orange Alert said:

Government figures show that, at the peak of the pandemic in early April, nearly 20,000 people a week were being admitted to hospital with coronavirus - but the true figure is unknown because of the problem with over-counting.

 

Though the rest of the article was a bit of truth coming out.

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They're Relying on You to OBEY - by Really Graceful 
 

 

 
 
I don’t know who needs to hear this, but it’s okay to say no. Many of us feel uncomfortable saying no, because we’re afraid of conflict, we’re afraid of standing out from the crowd, because we grow up well-behaved and compliant and we place value on the comfort of others and little on ourselves. This lesson applies to all things in life, whether it’s creating boundaries personally or professionally, or even dealing with this new abnormal we’ve been sold every single day in 2020.
 
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