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4 hours ago, Illmatic said:


Yeah I mean it's still not going to work on anyone with half a brain but a lot of people love the likes of Tom Hanks. If I were Bill Gates I think I'd probably try and leave my ego aside and let them do the public image work. 

That's a good point Illmatic - I think that's what he done - all gone a bit quiet on the gates front.

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Oh goody Porton Down eh, they have been at it since January according to this article we can trust them with blood samples, cant we?


Why the coronavirus tests you've never heard of hold the key to exit from lockdown 

Scientists working at the high security laboratories at Porton Down are testing blood samples from across Britain

A test tube with a solution containing Covid-19 antibodies 

At the Centre for Applied Microbiology and Research, housed within the high security Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down near Salisbury, scientists are poring over 800 blood samples taken from a representative sample of the English population.

They are conducting tests today which, more than any others you may have read about, will decide the shape and timing of Britain’s coronavirus exit strategy. Perhaps, just perhaps, they will provide the key to the door that is lockdown.

If the tests work, and virologists are confident they will, they will provide Britain with the answers to the most important unknowns about Covid-19: How many of us have already had the virus? How common are asymptomatic carriers? And how much immunity, if any, do we acquire after surviving an infection?

The answers to these questions are what virtually every government the world over is rushing to unearth. They are the gold dust of the pandemic. They will inform not just exit through a much more precise modelling of the pandemic’s trajectory, but the best approach to treatments and vaccines.

Little wonder then that this - the “fourth pillar” of the government’s testing strategy - is being conducted behind the high security fences of Porton Down.

The Porton Down facility 
The Porton Down facility  CREDIT: TOBY MELVILLE/ REUTERS

“This sort of study is absolutely vital because we are so uncertain about the level of infection in the population”, said Mark Woolhouse Professor of Infectious Disease Epidemiology at the University of Edinburgh. “As things stand we could be out by a factor or 10 or even 100. If work like this gives us even a rough pointer initially it would be hugely valuable”.

While some elements of the British response have been slow, the work at Porton Down is understood to have been underway since January. Moreover, it plays to our skill set as a nation, based as it is on high-end science rather than the more mundane - but crucially important business - of high volume throughput or production.

Experts say the first two months were spent validating high tech “assays” for reliably identifying coronavirus antibodies and designing a robust longitudinal blood sampling study. The first 800 blood samples were delivered to the laboritary in late February.

“We are expanding this programme during April so that we have the potential to test around 5,000 samples per week”, said the Department of Health and Social Care. “We will also roll out a national mass population sample over the coming months... the aim is to enrol 16,000 to 20,000 people who will undergo repeat testing”.

Attention has been focused on swab tests for the virus and cheap home antibody tests to tell people if they have already been infected. While the swab tests are reasonably precise, the home antibody testing kits are currently woefully inaccurate.

In contrast, the antibody tests or “assays” being run at Porton Down are said to be excellent. “The tools are there. The expertise is there. You can be quite confident PHE at Porton Down has access to sensitive assays that can accurately determine antibody levels in patients’ blood,” said Zania Stamataki, a senior lecturer in viral immunology at the University of Birmingham. 

Dr Stamataki added that it was these Porton Down assays that the commercial antibody tests which the government has taken options on are being validated against.

The initial aim of the work at Porton Down is to establish how widely the virus has spread. Current models assume the spread to date is fairly modest, at around three to four per cent of the population. If the modelers had a more precise grip on this crucial variable they would be able to predict the course of the epidemic with much greater certainty.

“Data in the coming weeks will enable estimation... with greater precision,” the team at Imperial College London, whose work underpins the UK’s lockdown strategy, admit in a report dated March 30. 

Prof David Heymann, infectious diseases expert at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, added: “Community surveys will provide us with idea of the level of people infected and that is very important to inform the modelling. Modelers use best possible data at the time they do the modelling, but this changes rapidly.” 

Just as a political pollster can take a small but representative sample of the population to establish voting intentions with some accuracy, the scientists at Porton Down hope to pin down a figure for the spread of the virus from the initial 800 blood samples they are currently studying. This will be improved on as they test more blood samples over time.


The study will also provide data on the vexed question of how many people with Covid-19 experience no symptoms or symptoms so mild they carry on as normal and (perhaps) unwittingly spread the disease to others. This again is vital information for those devising Britain’s exit strategy. Current estimates for non-symptomatic carriers vary hugely.

“Blood antibody tests themselves will not tell you about symptoms but if you have gathered detailed clinical information from those you are taking blood from it should do”, said Prof Woolhouse.

Karol Sikora, professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham and former director of the WHO, added: “In studies on cruise ships and small countries, where they’ve tested just about everyone, some 50 per cent of people infected have no symptoms whatsoever, not even a sore throat or cough. 

“That number could mean 20 to 30 per cent of the population have been infected in the UK, which would have huge implications for our strategy - especially around herd immunity and NHS capacity. That information really is vital.”

Last, and perhaps most important, the work at Porton Down will - over the course of six months to a year - show whether or not the antibodies produced as a result of contracting Covid-19 give protection against the virus, and how long that protection lasts. Currently, science is completely in the dark about this, the single most important question of all.

“The hypothesis is that the existence of antibodies means you will have some protection but this is not necessarily the case,” said Dr Stamataki. “We do know that antibodies from some existing coronavirus can last for a year or more. But this is a novel virus and it is possible both that its antibodies are not protective or that they don't last.”

The Porton Down research will establish this by means of a longitudinal study whereby the participants would have their blood checked for antibodies regularly over time to see how long they last. Animal studies will be run consecutively to test their protective potency.  

“One can’t overstate the importance of establishing the strength of any immunity”, said Dr Stamataki. “Even if it lasts for just a year it would give many of us the chance to return to normality.”

The work at Porton Down puts into perspective the trouble governments around the world are having with home antibody tests. Even if these tests prove accurate they are next to useless unless it is known that the antibodies they test for provide protection.

The work at Porton Down should, within months, start to answer that vital question.   

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How millions in the UK have been exposed to germ warfare by our own government


Families are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.


THE MINISTRY of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.

A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.

Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.

The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.

The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.

In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.

Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.

Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.

In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.

However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.

David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette's three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.

The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: 'I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.'

Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.

Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'

The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.

The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.'

Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'




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13 hours ago, Illmatic said:


His media team has worked incredibly hard to cultivate that public image. I expect he has plenty of advisers and he's heavily coached before every interview, but people skill are something you can only teach to an extent. He doesn't come across at all well even to people who aren't in the "conspiracy" community.


It would have made much more sense to hire some Hollywood actor to push the message, as was done to a large extent with the climate agenda. Having him and Alan Dershowitz as the public faces of this issue is a mistake that's probably only explained by arrogance. Two more unlikeable lizards it would be hard to find. 

The ptb are mathematical, not creative 

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19 hours ago, Messenger said:

Shadowmoon, I think the vapers got scared. Or they are not out on the road and out as much. A lot of people have been staying home because they are scare and believe in this corona bs. Or they don't believe it but don't want to deal with masked morons.


I know what you mean, I used to see a lot more vapers blowing clouds of mist out their vehicle window, but not so much since this corona thing. Doesn't mean people have stopped vaping, but there are certainly less people out now.

The vapers all died? I used to vape, and if I'm honest it was a lot worse on my lungs than when I used to smoke cigarettes and wayyyy more addictive. Thankfully now I don't smoke either. 

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19 minutes ago, Yasmina said:

The vapers all died? I used to vape, and if I'm honest it was a lot worse on my lungs than when I used to smoke cigarettes and wayyyy more addictive. Thankfully now I don't smoke either. 

I vape, so not only do I present as one of those selfish bastards without a mask, they can also see my exhalation in a large cloud of danger. Cool eh?


Imagine though, my exhalation though visible is no more that everybody elses. The fact they can SEE it is the trigger, I enjoy it, honestly. It might just force someone to have a little think for themselves.


As for vaping it's many times better than smoking regardless of the risks it might still hold. Dependant on the stuff you put in it of course.



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5 minutes ago, - TZC - said:

I vape, so not only do I present as one of those selfish bastards without a mask, they can also see my exhalation in a large cloud of danger. Cool eh?


Imagine though, my exhalation though visible is no more that everybody elses. The fact they can SEE it is the trigger, I enjoy it, honestly. It might just force someone to have a little think for themselves.


As for vaping it's many times better than smoking regardless of the risks it might still hold. Dependant on the stuff you put in it of course.



Lol. Tbh people always seemed to dislike vapers and the big clouds they would leave behind 🤣 it does smell nice though so not sure why they hate it so much 🤔


Hmm. For me personally it had a negative effect on my lungs/stamina  and was highly addictive. I went from someone who smoked 3-4 cigs to someone who even vaped in the bathroom and would have a panic attack if I left the house without it 🤣 It was fun and I do miss it sometimes but I'm glad I quit. 

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I don't know where you're from but I heard vapers have a bad rep in usa. I'm in uk and cloud chasing, 200 watts+ vaping is a bit obnoxious. Big money to make a statement.


3-4 cigs is low 🙂 I was on 20-30 a day before I woke up, it was a while after that that vaping became an option. I am in no way trying to sell you on vaping saying this whole thing coming up


but some liquids can really affect your breathing. And some do not at all.


As with anything else there are people interested in profit over anything else including safety. Some liquids years ago could seriously jeapordise your health but luckily the standards have been raised.


Lastly, I would never reccommend anyone start vaping if they hadn't already had an addiction to smoking, there's just no point. Ok, if you're just wanting to do nicotine free inhales of watermelon candy whaterthe fug.. go for it but it's a pointless waste of money ultimately.


At least in my case right now, I can scare the shit out of numpties with my poison cloud. Aahhhh. Feels good



Edit: I bet it's why nobody has bothered me abaout a mask, see. They don't wanna get near cos of the vapes- I suppose that is a recommendation of sorts


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21 hours ago, Mr H said:


Thank you so much for the added info. I have been on the path of spirituality for several years now, but I never paid any attention to food, and it has only come to my attention recently how important it is - so I am just starting my investigation - so I am completely ignorant - and my knowledge of ph values in the blood comes from my limited knowledge of main stream science, which I am starting to understand may not be true (understatement!)


Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge so freely. I may have further questions if that is ok, as my investigation matures.




@Mr H

I would add that our standard western diet is sorely lacking in alkilinity.

The body does self regulate so long as you have access to suitable  precursors that are available through good nutrition. Generally the pancreas creates bicarbonates to neutralise hcl after digetion but also supplies  the kidneys with bicarbonates to help regulate blood ph level - so  long as easily useable carbonates are present in the foods you ingest you will have a plentiful supply of carbonates. 

The blood maintains a very stable narrow range of ph most of the time and if it moves outside of that range then poor health or worse ensues.

Meats tend to be acid forming whereas fruit and vegetables tend towards alkaline.

When the body becomes acidic through poor diet it will steal from parts of the body to balance ph. For example it will migrate carbonates from bone  which is a last resort which then in turn might cause other problems.

The real problem is the soil - esp industrially farmed soil. They only add NKP and CaCo3 to fertilise the soil in the form of harsh chemical salts. These tend to disrupt the organic life in the soil then the crops are sprayed with copious amounts of pesticides. The whole farming environment is now getting toxic  apart from organic growers and even they still use approved pesticides but not routinely!

The best food you can eat is what you can grow yourself.

I read some articles many years ago that showed tests on modern day foods compared to foods grown 60 -70 yrs ago and the difference in mineral content is now orders of magnitude less. I.E. to get the same nutrition from oranges today compared to one 60 years ago you would have to consume 10. Similar story with veg.

We're now low in Mg, Cu, Zn, Se, S, I,  among others and most people supplement the wrong things. Multi vits are useless and cause more problems than they solve.

Doctors know next to nothing about nutrition generally so its up to individuals to learn as much as they can.

Poor health is related to the environment - the soil, water and air. 

Thats why there is such a health crisis atm - obesity, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, osteoporosis, dementia and so forth - all conditions of poor and contaminated soil, undrinkable water and poor quality air esp in the built environment. (not mentioning the overuse of chemicals or increased  levels of radiation  were subjected to)


As health in a population declines - its easy for gov and other authorities to use their science propaganda to divert attention from the underlying causes of disease and  redirect it towards boogeymen like invisible viruses.


The health scares and all other scares exist because people have no faith in their own sensibilities. Everyone is capable of learning whatever they need to in reality but our independance has been slowly stripped away over generations.


There are many good sources re: health, nutrition and any other subject. The more you read, the more you can correctly discriminate between poor and useful information. Soak it all up - let it settle in and it will all fall into place.


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This video raises questions about the damage that could be caused by forehead temperature checks. Not only does it normalise having a gun type device pointed at the forehead, but also may potentially damage the pineal gland.


Furthermore, according to an Australian nurse whose statement is included in this video, there is no reason for the infrared gun to be aimed at the forehead. An individual's temperature can just as easily be taken aimed at the wrist or elbow crease and, in fact, these checks apparently are more accurate and come with less risk.



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Following the UK Government's back-tracking on the Covid-19 death statistics, the coronavirus dashboard has now been updated with new figures regarding numbers of deaths. The definition of death cases has also been updated.


Publication of daily death rates were paused whilst the review took place and have been made available again within the last few days (12th August). Over 5,000 deaths were removed from the statistics.




Daily reported COVID deaths are now measured across the UK as deaths that occurred within 28 days of the first laboratory-confirmed positive COVID test.




If you click on the number of deaths, you are met with a box containing the following explanation.


Cumulative COVID-19 associated deaths

Total deaths within 28 days of a positive test result for COVID-19 reported up to Friday, 14 August 2020.

The definitions used for deaths are currently under review. It is likely that revised data, which more accurately reflect the current and overall burden of COVID-19 will be published shortly.

Currently, two indicators are provided: the UK figures are the sum of the four nations. Only one figure is available for Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales, but two are available for England (overall and 28 days). See below for details.

The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases. People who died from COVID-19 but had not tested positive are not included.


Even the BBC have been admitting that the figures are "deaths for any reason within 28 days of a positive test". Even if the individual was hit by a bus after testing positive or Covid-19 or if the deceased had been dying or terminal cancer.


Even allowing for the inflated death rates attributed to Covid-19, hardly anyone is now dying from the so-called deadly "virus". The graph above is basically now hovering around the zero mark.


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36 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

but also may potentially damage the pineal gland


No one has mentioned this before. 

Make perfect sense though. 

Not good.. 


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2 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

I posted this back on the 26th July but, due to the size of this thread and topic, it is probably difficult to find



Mega thread indeed. 

The pineal gland is said to be damaged by fluoride and other such stuff and now this.. 


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