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1 minute ago, CAC said:

 

Out of likes, but very, very well said.

 

Testing for a disease which barely affects anyone to a serious degree is far from normal, and shows that our "rulers" have serious mental health issues and should be sectioned indefinitely, along with their families, just in case they get any ideas.

 

Their end game becomes clearer by the day.

 

Declare a pandemic, focus on a virus that you have to be kept "safe" from, bring in the distancing, the self-isolation, the masks, the OCD sanitising. Then subject people to being "tracked and traced" in their activities again for the purpose of keeping them and others "safe". Close down society, break small businesses, change the way people think and behave towards each other, and alter their expectations of what daily life - and longer-term goals - should be. Turn everyone inward and only communicating on the internet. 

 

Then shift the emphasis onto a "solution". Vaccines that are untested and several times more likely to cause harm than the rebranded flu virus which the human body has a 99% resistance to. Create more and more division between groups in society....no longer Leavers Vs Remainers, or Tory Vs Labour, even Rich vs. Poor....now it's Vaxxed vs Un-Vaxxed.

 

All the while, just the smallest bit of common sense or critical thinking in people would expose all of this to be the BS, agenda21-driven, Great Reset population cull that it has always been from day 1.

 

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Just now, Basket Case said:

 

Yeah I know.. 

Remember the long post I did a few weeks ago when his moderators wouldn't let me mention or discuss Dr Mike Yeadon in the comments section ? 

 

 

Do you still have link to your post I missed it.

 

That should be more reason to cut him off imo BC.

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2 hours ago, campanar said:

To get into France by road you need a negative PCR test.

 

Well, maybe, as I just drove across the French border, a non-motorway busy route for lorries and tourists, and lo and behold, nothing. No border patrol and no sign of there ever having been one there, no cones or signs etc.

 

I'm sure there are in some places, but they'll be for TV propaganda purposes.


Where were you entering from ? 

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10 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

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I hate the way they try and moderate -to put it mildly -what the post is saying .Ive recently posted several articles featuring the CDC /VAERS own data on Facebook  and other "official " reports on vaccine injuries and they flag it as being misleading /fake etc. They even censor peoples own first hand experiences . Do people honestly believe every report of a vaccine reaction or death is fake ?? Im getting to the point where I cant be bothered trying to talk to people ,anymore if they  they think they are making an "informed choice " by what they seen in the mainstream media then let them take the consequences .

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10 hours ago, DarianF said:

 

All that dancing in empty hospital hallways promoting the covid fraud... I'll never trust this profession ever again. Fuck em, as far as I'm concerned.

 

With you on that one mate.

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1 hour ago, FrankVitali said:

 

 

Has this happened here yet UK, mandatory vaxx for health care workers I thought there was talk last week about it? Anyone know?

Very difficult to mandate this in UK with current law as it stands.

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21 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

 

Do you still have link to your post I missed it.

 

That should be more reason to cut him off imo BC.

 

I'll go have a look dude. 

 

He gives some 100% accurate info that no one else is sharing. 

The Sturgeon / Salmond shitfest he reported on has got him into a whole heap of trouble. 

And he has a unique perspective being 'in the system' at one point. 

 

I totally agree that he has it 100% wrong on the virus and vaxxine.. 

 

BC 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

How many shrinks will they need to prove her insane? In a court case I would summons her to testify. She is brilliant and so well spoken. A superbe ambassador for our cause. She's careful too, knows the ropes.

It should be up to those who claim she is wrong to prove they are right ,something no one seems to have done this  in relation to claims that the PCR test isnt designed to diagnose infection . What i want to know is ,before the PCR test was hijacked ,what kind of tests were used to diagnose viruses ?.i was told several years ago that I had Swine flue ,test was a throat swab ,3 years ago I had metapneumovirus ,again a throat swab ,but what was the type of test used ? The PCR test seems only to be good if you havent identified your target ,and just want a test that vaguely detects RNA/DNA fragments but not a specific disease .if this isnt true then let those claiming it works show us how .

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Just now, Captainlove said:

This to me looks like a vascular/Diabetes problem. Maybe exacerbated by the vaccine.

 

By the jab.

 

He posted a NY Post link & was censored basically.

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On 2/12/2021 at 5:36 PM, Basket Case said:

I'm now on my laptop, so am returning to a post l messed up a few days ago.
l was using my phone and missed the text in italics that didn't copy over correctly.

l didn't actually want to return to the original blog page this is from as l was sulking censored and prevented from citing Dr Mike Yeadon in the comments beneath.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/02/piers-corbyn-and-free-speech/ 


Below is the post l should have done in the first place - IE - not on my bloody smart phone.

So, Craig Murray wrote an article about Piers Corbyn getting arrested (again) for distributing a leaflet against Vaxxines.
lt's been considered as anti-semitic as it appears to use the image of a WW2 German camp.
Craig Murray seems to question the reaction to Corbyn, citing 'Free Speech', but then goes on to promote the Vaxxine.


 


Here is the background and comment from someone who comments often below Craig Murray's blog;
Background and experience as a Biochemist / Virologist / Gene Therapist; 

"I have a degree in Biochemistry from Cambridge (3 years highly intensive study), a PhD in molecular virology from Glasgow (studying viruses which infect whole populations, causing cancer in a small subset of infected people and being more likely to cause disease in those with immunocompromise) and 4 years working on developing viral vectors for gene therapy. I wrote published reviews of gene therapy in learned monographs, published original research in peer-reviewed journals and passed on my technical knowledge to the next generation of students.

In my next life, quite a bit of my work involved engaging with Universities, professors, lecturers and other researchers to determine whether their research could be turned into commercial value. That meant I did not defer to authority, I was DULY DILIGENT in determining whether or not the assertions made by very senior Professors etc stood up to rigorous professional scrutiny. Sometimes it did, sometimes it didn’t.

First lesson to learn from that is that academics are often entirely ignorant of the patent filing space, thinking that ‘peer reviewed publication’ is all that matters. Industry of course tends not to publish nearly as much, as they prefer to obtain IP protection for their discoveries or simply retain secret know-how in-house. So you should be very careful before assigning all-knowing expertise to academics, since they often have not reviewed the patent filing space adequately.

The second thing to understand about academics is that they are interested in ‘high impact publications’, which are arbitrarily defined by how many times they are quoted in the academic literature. That is a very very questionable basis for ‘quality’, it is a far better basis for ‘being top of the pops charts’. Getting buzzwords into the title of your paper is very important there. It’s a bit like looking at the quality of journalists..

The third thing you should learn is quite how top-down and authoritarian the medical culture is in the West. The concept of ‘Key Opinion Leaders’ is used by Big Pharma to shape narratives; they get the KOLs on board (sometimes with financial inducements) who then pass down dictums to the sheep below. You would be amazed quite how few doctors actually think independently. I learned all about this when doing consultancy for a big pharma company.. 

The fourth thing you should learn is how utterly lacking in objectivity the medical community is about exposing misconduct. There is no question that Peter Horby’s ‘study’ on hydroxychloroquine, deliberately designed to quash HCQ usage, was the work of an utterly corrupt and biddable tool of the pharmaceutical industry. His work was just as bad, if not worse, than that of Andrew Wakefield concerning MMR. But Wakefield was raising issues antithetical to Big Pharma interests, whereas Horby was doing their bidding. Either both or neither should have been thrown out. We all know what actually happened…..and it wasn’t Peter Horby being sacked by the University of Oxford, was it??

 

So I guess I can speak with some ‘authority’ too.
 

I can speak with the authority of not having to brown-nose committee members who dole out multimillion pound grant funding. No academic seeking that sort of funding can ever step out of line, even once. Career over if they do. So never consider what they say without first considering what they NEED to say… 

I can speak with the authority of being both educated to the cutting edge of medical technology and having worked with senior business and government officials. I don’t belong to any trades union and I’m not trying to climb any greasy poles.

 

I can speak with the authority of knowing how the Security Services use doctors to spy on the general population (my sister is a spook and a medical consultant to boot).

And I can speak with absolute authority about the fact that none of the Government Ministers, advisors nor media sirens have seen a single penny drop in their generous salaries since March 2020, which renders all their holier-than-thou behaviour absolutely disgusting. There are no Labour nor SNP MPs who behave any better, it’s nothing to do with Conservatives, it’s to do with being on the public sector gravy train. I am not on that gravy train and I could only join it if I committed to betraying the people I was purportedly employed to represent. 

I am sure Mr Murray prefers grand titles like Professor, Minister, CEO and the like. It’s what the Establishment uses to establish controllable narratives.

But if you want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, you need people who got off the gravy train, put truth before prestige and educated themselves sufficiently to be able to use a scythe through the mangrove swamps of propaganda that the Establishment always uses to ensure that getting out to the truthful blue yonder is a feat beyond the vast majority of honest and humble souls… 


As you can see, highly experienced and qualified but gives a scathing incite into Big Pharma and vaxxines etc...!!!  :O) 

Here is his response to Craig Murray's blog and Craig's views on Con19 Vaxxines; 

First he quotes a part of Craigs Blog;
‘As to this particular opinion of Piers Corbyn, I have no qualification that makes my view any more authoritative than yours. But it seems to me probable that the massive advances in knowledge of how vaccines work within the body at the level both of incredibly small structures and of atoms, better enable theoretical constructs to underpin the discoveries of the vaccine testing process, and thus vaccine safety can indeed be established sooner than in earlier years, when the testing of empirical effects of a vaccine proved efficacy and safety or otherwise, without knowledge of precise mechanisms being entirely essential to the process. I shall myself take the vaccine when offered and urge everybody else to do so, despite myself tending to the view that the risk of death from covid-19, other than to clearly defined vulnerable groups, is extremely small. The risk to those vulnerable groups is acute, so for their sake I hope everybody vaccinates.’


Then he goes on to explain his own opposing view point; 
Mr Murray, whilst what you say about scientific advances is indeed true, what is also unfortunately also true is that the technology underpinning the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, namely mRNA ‘vaccines’, is as yet a completely untested platform technology for the vaccination process. This makes their use without significant amounts of clinical trials more hazardous than, say, the Sputnik vaccines, since that vaccine uses vaccine technology that has been used several times in other vaccination systems. Every new vaccine has unknown unknowns, but the Sputnik one probably has less than the Pfizer/Moderna ones.

Because the Pfizer/Moderna systems have not yet been through the ‘teething processes’, which may involve manufacturing challenges, unexpected responses by small subsets of people to the vaccine etc etc, there is per se a greater set of ‘known unknowns’, not to mention ‘unknown unknowns’ about that technology.

One of the enduring lessons of the thalidomide episode 60 years ago is that something which simply was not detected during animal testing turned out to have grave effects on pregnant women’s foetuses. When tested on non-pregnant adults, thalidomide was one of the ‘safest’ drugs around. It simply didn’t have any side effects. One of the ‘assumptions’ of animal testing back then was that the compound would interact in the same way with analagous human proteins as it did with the animal ones. That is a fallacy in some cases, which the pharmaceuticals industry learned about the hard way. That can now be overcome using technology to insert the human version of a particular gene into the animals on which trials will be carried out, just to be sure that no unpleasant surprises occur when the transition from animal testing to human testing occurs.


Now, it may very well be that the Pfizer/Moderna technology does not have any drawbacks to it. We simply don’t know yet. Until you have put it through at least 1 million people of different ages, ethnic backgrounds, sex and other genetic variables, you probably won’t know what those potential drawbacks might actually be. What you absolutely don’t want to be doing, however, is to be risking infertility to just the groups of people who don’t have any significant risk from exposure to SARS-CoV2. The 18-40 age group of both sexes have miniscule risks from the virus and so I wouldn’t be telling them to get vaccinated if they have not already completed their planned breeding. It’s not saying there is any risk, it’s saying we don’t know whether there could be, and it is simply far too important to take a chance when the risks from disease are so incredibly low. 

 

One of the great dangers of the way vaccination programmes are reported by the media is simply equating ‘raising of antibodies’ with success. That is successful in terms of generating the response you wanted (it’s not what a natural immune response involves, since that also involves T cell activation, memory cell creation, retention and possible triggering upon challenge etc), what it does not in any way address is whether you also caused certain unwanted effects too. You don’t necessarily see those showing up in the first 7 days, maybe not even in the first 7 weeks. Only by doing long-term follow up studies do you ever find that sort of thing out. Do you think the pharma industry would do such work without government regulatons? Of course they wouldn’t. It’s just costs and no upside, just potential downside for them. However, for those taking vaccines, it is essential work to establish the long-term safety of vaccination protocols not just for this generation but for future ones too. 

There are all kinds of wild claims out there as to what vaccines might be being used for. Some involve insertion of nano-chips into human beings without their informed consent. You know, putting a little nano-chip into the vaccine formulation and then being able to track humans at will forevermore without their knowledge nor consent. I’m not saying this is happening with these vaccines, but it is definitely the case that discussions about such programmes have taken place in the sorts of elitist get-togethers that always have contempt for democratic due process. It’s definitely the case that such technology is being developed and is of interest to Bill Gates the investor, just to mention one. 

A more realistic worry is the historical evidence of trying to generate vaccines against Respiratory Syncitial Virus back in the 1960s. The virus is a known cause of paediatric pneumonia and a cause of death in children at a level of 200,000 per year in those under 6 months (see https://cvi.asm.org/content/23/3/186 ) The result of attempts in the 1960s to develop a vaccine caused a new syndrome to emerge, namely ‘Enhanced Respiratory Syncitial Virus Disease’. When exposed to challenge by the wild virus after having been vaccinated, a few young children died. Research on what was happening to cause such tragedies led to the understanding that what had occurred was a malfunction in the normal immune response leading to only a subset of immune response activities occurring, which led to very serious effects in the lungs.


The relevance of RSV to coronaviruses is that RSV is also an RNA virus, it is also associated with respiratory disease. So it is somewhat similar to Coronaviruses. 

 

Do we yet know whether there might be an ‘Enhanced Covid19’ response in vaccinated people if they subsequently encounter SARS-CoV2? No, we don’t. It’s not saying it will happen, it’s saying it is a known unknown to consider going forward. 

 

To put it mildly, there is an awful lot we don’t yet know about SARS-CoV2 and the human immune response to it.

 

There’s an awful lot we don’t yet know about how mRNA vaccines may play out in humans. 
 

My current working position is that the dangers from SARS-CoV2 are highest amongst:
1. The elderly
2. The immunocompromised and generally unhealthy.


Those people have a far greater risk from SARS-CoV2 than they do from any potential dangers from a relatively untested vaccine (until any new evidence changes that position), so they should get themselves vaccinated if they don’t have objections.


However, the healthy U65s, the U50s with the exception of any unfortunates whose health status is abnormally poor and children absolutely don’t need a vaccination against a disease that will affect almost none of them. The long-term unknowns of untested technology should be considered when the downside risk of not being vaccinated is almost zero.
 

I am also absolutely not in favour of the taxpayer funding Phase III clinical trials and then having to pay sky high prices so to do. If Pfizer want to cut $1bn off their R+D costs through accelerated ‘licensing’, then the price they charge for their products should be commensurately lower. They don’t have any need to put aside for litigation costs after all (as all vaccines are exempt from litigation and the taxpayer funds it). 

If we are going to push such untried technology onto the populace then we should be pretty clear that the cost of it should not be extreme, the safety testing and follow-up has to be to our satisfaction and the ridiculous economic costs of lockdown should not be exacerbated by funding ridiculously expensive vaccines if Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, Tonic Water and plenty of other cheap as chips compounds get shown to be totally efficacious in treating the small population who actually fall ill with Covid19. 


So, there you go, a fascinating opinion IMO  from a 'Normie' from within the Industry...
BC :O)

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@oddsnsods 

This is the post I messed up first time around. 

I revisited it on my laptop and presented it in a clearer way. 

Still a long read though  :0)

 

 

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4 hours ago, oddsnsods said:

Schedule 21 gives arbitrary powers to the police, immigration officers and public health officials to detain “potentially infectious” members of the public, including children, potentially indefinitely, in unidentified isolation facilities.

 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/schedule/21/enacted

 

Did Matt Handcock repeal this? @Mitochondrial Eve

 

 

From what I can tell, there have not been any changes to Schedule 21 of the Coronavirus Act so it remains in force as it was first enacted.

 

Here is the "latest available" version of Schedule 21 which shows that there have been no "changes over time" since 25/03/2020.

 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/schedule/21

 

 

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9 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

GP surgeries, hospitals and supermarkets are set to be exempt from Covid vaccine passports as Boris Johnson prepares to announce more details of scheme on Monday

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9426103/GP-surgeries-hospitals-supermarkets-set-exempt-Covid-vaccine-passports.html

 

 

Haha reeto.

 

They fucking know this cant be brought in. Scaremongering as per usual. 1 family member and 3 close friends are jabbing. Lots of clinics been cancelled as there is such low uptake atm. But they not telling people that. They need these fear tactics to make more money and try to keep the scam going as long as possible.

 

There always has to be exemptions in place. As not everyone can have the lucifer juice as many have severe problems with them. So if that's the case. It makes a mockery of the whole digital health ID. Let's not even talk about breaching in data protection.

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