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1 hour ago, motleyhoo said:

 

Me too.  back in march I had a conver w/my neighbours about it all being a fraud.  I presented them with the simple, plain black and white facts that prove to anyone with a working brain cell that nothing the media says makes any sense, nor has any basis in reality.  he went on to explain that there isn't any incentive for them to lie.  I asked him if he thought hundreds of billions of dollars was enough incentive and he said no.  Then he went on to try to defend the pandemic by saying "They said 250,000 people are going to die in the US in the next 2 weeks."  I told him no such thing was going to happen, and told him it would probably only be 10,000, even with the way they were fudging the numbers and calling every sick person a Covid victim.

 

He shrugged his shoulders and said, "I don't know what you're talking about.  This is what they're saying."  He and his wife left to go back inside to continue staring at the TV and shivering in fear.  I told him I'd give him my prized University hat if more than 10,000 people died in 2 weeks.  He won't talk to me now.

 

 

 

During normal times they probably think that everything the government says is a lie because you cant believe a word they say

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7 minutes ago, KingKitty said:

If we can only get people to delete their Facebook and related accounts. It's so easy to do. Can you imagine watching Zuck lose everything as quickly as we got locked down?

 

NO ONE NEEDS FACEBOOK! For God's sake, people pull the [email protected] plug on these cμΩts! Thank you.

 

I agree.  I've never understood why people waste so much time on there anyway.  At one point, I had several Facebook accounts for my business, but I quickly realised it was a total waste of time.  When I deleted/deactivated them, one client criticised me about it, saying I needed to have a 'social media presence' - which strikes me as 'repeater speak'.

 

I quickly realised it was all a load of bollocks and haven't looked back since.

 

What is the solution, though, do you think?  One option is to divert people on to other platforms.  Etsy, Pinterest and Instagram are superior anyway, in my view.  Or do you think dissidents should have their own media?  Or do you think people should withdraw from media altogether and rely on face-to-face contact?

 

Personally, I favour the latter.  Tin cans and string.  Start in your local area and build up resistance from there.

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Italian MP Sara Cunial:

 

“Hobbes said that absolute power does not come from an imposition from above but by the choice of individuals who feel more protected renouncing to their own freedom and granting it to a third party. With this, you are going on anesthetizing the minds with corrupted Mass Media with Amuchina (a brand of disinfectant promoted by Mass Media) and NLP, with words like “regime”, “to allow” and “to permit”, to the point of allowing you to regulate our emotional ties and feelings and certify our affects.

 

So, in this way, Phase 2 is nothing else than the persecution/continuation of Phase 1 – you just changed the name, as you did with the European Stability Mechanism (ESM). We have understood people, for sure, don’t die for the virus alone. So people will be allowed to die and suffer, thanks to you and your laws, for misery and poverty. And, as in the “best” regimes, the blame will be dropped only on citizens. You take away our freedom and say that we looked for it. Divide et Impera (Divide and Rule).

 

It is our children who will lose more, who are ‘raped souls’, with the help of the so-called “guarantor of their rights” and of CISMAI (Italian Coordination of Services against Child Abuse). In this way, the right to school will be granted only with a bracelet to get them used to probation, to get them used to slavery – involuntary treatment and to virtual lager. All this in exchange for a push-scooter and a tablet. All to satisfy the appetites of a financial capitalism whose driving force is the conflict of interest, conflict well represented by the WHO, whose main financier is the well-known “philanthropist and savior of the world” Bill Gates.

 

We all know it, now. Bill Gates, already in 2018, predicted a pandemic, simulated in October 2019 at the “Event 201”, together with Davos (Switzerland). For decades, Gates has been working on Depopulation policy and dictatorial control plans on global politics, aiming to obtain the primacy on agriculture, technology and energy.

Gates said, I quote exactly from his speech:

 

“If we do a good job on vaccines, health and reproduction, we can reduce the world population by 10-15%. Only a genocide can save the world”.

 

With his vaccines, Gates managed to sterilize millions of women in Africa. Gates caused a polio epidemic that paralyzed 500,000 children in India and still today with DTP, Gates causes more deaths than the disease itself. And he does the same with GMOs designed by Monsanto and “generously donated” to needy populations. All this while he is already thinking about distributing the quantum tattoo for vaccination recognition and mRNA vaccines as tools for reprogramming our immune system. In addition, Gates also does business with several multinationals that own 5G facilities in the USA.

 

On this table there is the entire Deep State in Italian sauce: Sanofi, together with GlaxoSmithKline are friends of the Ranieri Guerra, Ricciardi, and of the well-known virologist that we pay 2000 Euro every 10 minutes for the presentations on Rai (Italian state TV. She’s probably talking about Burioni). Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline sign agreements with medical societies to indoctrinate future doctors, making fun of their autonomy of judgment and their oath.

 

Hi-Tech multinationals, like the Roman Engineering which is friend of the noble Mantoan, or Bending Spoons, of Pisano, which are there for control and manage our personal health datas in agreement with the European Agenda ID2020 of electronic identification, which aims to use mass vaccination to obtain a digital platform of digital ID. This is a continuation of the transfer of data started by Renzi to IBM. Renzi, in 2016, gave a plus 30% to Gates Global Fund.

 

On the Deep State table there are the people of Aspen, like the Saxon Colao, who with his 4-pages reports, paid 800 Euros/hour, with no scientific review, dictates its politics as a Bilderberg general as he is, staying away from the battlefield. The list is long. Very long. In the list there is also Mediatronic, by Arcuri and many more.

 

The Italian contribution to the International Alliance Against Coronavirus will be of 140 million Euros, of which 120 million Euros will be given to GAVI Alliance, the non-profit by Gates Foundation. They are just a part of the 7.4 billion Euro fund by the EU to find a vaccine against Coronavirus – vaccines which will be used as I said before.

 

No money, ofcourse for serotherapy, which has the collateral effect of being super cheap. No money for prevention, a real prevention, which includes our lifestyles, our food and our relationship with the environment.

 

The real goal of all of this is total control. Absolute domination of human beings, transformed into guinea pigs and slaves, violating sovereignty and free will. All this thanks to tricks/hoax disguised as political compromises. While you rip up the Nuremberg code with involuntary treatment, fines and deportation, facial recognition and intimidation, endorsed by dogmatic scientism – protected by our “Multi-President” of the Republic who is real cultural epidemic of this country.

 

We, with the people, will multiply the fires of resistance in a way that you won’t be able to repress all of us.

 

I ask you, President, to be the spokesperson and give an advice to our President Conte: Dear Mr. President Conte, next time you receive a phone call from the philanthropist Bill Gates forward it directly to the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity. If you won’t do this, tell us how we should define you, the “friend lawyer” who takes orders from a criminal.

 

Thank you.”

 

https://nonvenipacem.com/2020/05/17/huge-italian-mp-calls-for-criminal-arrest-and-prosecution-of-bill-gates-in-open-parliament/

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I wonder for whose benefit Trump announced that the military would be distributing the miracle cure? He knows most Americans are going to read this as, "Trump will have military forcing vax on citizens!"

...you know what? I had more to say, but "something" is tampering with my post as I write....gettin' sketchy here, kids?

 

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7 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said:

 

I agree.  I've never understood why people waste so much time on there anyway.  At one point, I had several Facebook accounts for my business, but I quickly realised it was a total waste of time.  When I deleted/deactivated them, one client criticised me about it, saying I needed to have a 'social media presence' - which strikes me as 'repeater speak'.

 

I quickly realised it was all a load of bollocks and haven't looked back since.

 

What is the solution, though, do you think?  One option is to divert people on to other platforms.  Etsy, Pinterest and Instagram are superior anyway, in my view.  Or do you think dissidents should have their own media?  Or do you think people should withdraw from media altogether and rely on face-to-face contact?

 

Personally, I favour the latter.  Tin cans and string.  Start in your local area and build up resistance from there.

As a songwriter/musician, I am a freak of nature for NOT having these various platforms.

 

Recently tried Instagram, very briefly, as part of a promotional deal with Spotify. In all fairness, I had no idea it was owned by Zuck & Co. Even if it wasn't, I find these types of apps to be more annoying than anything else. And the collective narcissism becomes too rich for mt blood.

 

YouTube is the only ugly bastard I still have an account with, as far as the big ones go.

 

I can't understand why businesses need anything more than their own websites? I'm aware of the benefits, from a marketing perspective. Yet most of the content on these Facebook accounts for business are just trival garbage. You have to post something all the time to look active and relevant. At the end of the day, just rubbish. It's a lazy way of going about business, is what it is.

 

I'm from the time before the great Web blanketed (or is it shrouded) our lives. The children, of which I was one, played outdoors, rode bikes and skateboards and we were taught to stand up to bullies. Telephones stayed at home and at work. The news was on just three times a day. They mostly just told you what was going on in the world. It was frowned upon for the newscasters to editorialize. You got the flu? You ate Campbell's chicken noodle soup, drank 7UP and took aspirin.

 

How has the Web made our lives better? It's fooled us into believing it has done just that. We've traded our freedoms, securities, privacy, identities for some convenience.

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8 hours ago, serpentine said:

The curve is flattening, the NHS is saved and R0 is low...



.......and that means what to parents who love their kids and don't want them to get harmed by sending them back to school?.

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/17/risk-coronavirus-spreading-schools-extremely-low-study-finds/

 

As  the man who stabbed Boris in the back parents, teachers and the non teaching staff would be wise to take Gove's advice on medical matters on advisement.

 

The number of teachers that caught the virus taken on it's own is meaningless. One has to vector teacher family and social contacts and those of all the children and non teaching staff. The scientists arn't that clever. As mentioned some days ago  ONS reports just 1 in 400 of the population have had the virus. This means that not only does it not kill many people but it also isn't very transmissable either.

 

For that the economy was severely damaged and livelyhoods ruined.

 

And NOW they are saying it is safe!

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19 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

 

As I understand it vaccines can be given orally. I read recently that a vaccine pill is in the works. Seems to me they could slip their vaccine into our water or food supplies and we would never know it. Why the big drama with predicted scenarios where military are pinning people down and stabbing them with a syringe? Why do they need a consent to poison us already?

 

Probably because it's not just about poison. Can they slip a digital ID in the water supply?

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Had a few problems getting here tonight, as I see, so have others. Nice to see that big brother is watching over me. Should have listened to nanny because nanny always knows what is best for me. How silly of me to have thoughts of my own, what was I thinking? Trying to think for my self and that nanny could be wrong. Trying to think for myself and have a different opinion. I have been so naughty and thank you nanny for trying to show me the error of my ways and trying to stop me talking to all those other naughty people. One more thing nanny FUCK OFF.

       Seriously, our son contacted us two nights ago, he is getting himself out if a toxic relationship and struggling to do so. This ex-girlfriend has been very controlling and manipulative. The police were involved and took him to hospital where my wife met up with them. They were told that despite his mental health problems there was nobody at the hospital who could help, no one to talk to, no therapist to have a chat with, nothing. Whilst I appreciate it was late at night, but given the governments supposed understanding of more people having mental health issues during this lock down you would expect to find more staff available night and day to deal with these people. I realise Sam's problems aren't linked with this supposed virus pandemic, but It would have been the same if they were. The two coppers were as gob smacked as my wife was.

     Took him back home today because he is off to Cornwall tomorrow (Monday) due to work, gives him something else to focus on. On the way home heard something on radio four, didn't get the person's name, this chap was saying "The lock down should stop tomorrow, those that want to live in isolation should be allowed to do so, and the rest of us who want to get back to normal should be able to". Nearly went off the road hearing some one talking sense on the B.B.C. This was just after 5pm, if it is possible to hear radio broadcasts retrospectively and any one wants to hear exactly what he said. Next article was about hamsters. Some boffins some where have been deliberately infecting hamsters with "covid-19" and separating them from healthy hamsters with screens made from the same material as face masks. They discovered the healthy hamsters were 60% less likely to become infected than hamsters that weren't separated by the screen. Thank god, perhaps I can get some sleep tonight, I have been worried sick about hamsters during this pandemic. If I was to deliberately infect my dog or cat with a virus then have it broadcast on national radio I wonder how long it would be before The R.S.P.C.A and police were knocking at my door.

      You are maybe questioning why I am posting on this forum because it doesn't have a great deal to do with the "corona virus pandemic". I know this forum is very popular at the moment and wanted to reach as many of you as possible. Finally, if you haven't seen on u-tube or heard of a man called Jerry Marzinsky, go and have a look. I am confident you will find him just as interesting as I have today. No spoilers, just have a listen at what he has got to say and some of the things he talks about.

      Speak to you all soon, god bless.

      

      

        

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All great comments and insight lads and ladies.


I too had a nice juicy long post written out and then after clicking submit I was rewarded with a blocked page. Lost my post when I clicked back.

It was a good one too that would have provided hours of entertainment and information. lol :classic_biggrin:


That greta thunberg girl, poor child, she looks so sad and worn out and she's only what, 10?
 

Through a search I found the old forum archived.

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20151007043654/http://forum.davidicke.com/index.php


 

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12 hours ago, Silent Bob said:

 

I've already decided not to have the test regardless of the consequences to me, have to draw a line somewhere. After all, we know the test is random, just ask the president of Tanzania who got positive results for goats and papaya fruit. I will, of course, decline the vaccine too. It may well cost me my job, it is what it is.

 

It's good to be have prepared mind but we'll throw grenades ? at them as long as we can eh?

If we are gonna go down, we might as well tear them down in bits. I'll throw individuals down into a pit of the hell. ?‍♂️

 

As for tests, no point in having one whatsoever.

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Damn Chinese ambassador to israel found dead!?


Dead men tell no tales.


Also, Banjo Dog, I love your passion towards the "nanny". :)

As for US military administering a vaccine, oral or otherwise... Americans have been severely programmed with US military worship, really believing in the whole, "serve my country", "fighting for my freedom" rubbish, bollocks, whatever.

 

Me,  over the years whichever forum I've been on, I have found that the first people to want to delete posts, threads, or even get out the ban hammer, are US armed forces members. They absolutely do not like critical thinkers because those who can think can see through the entire "fight for freedom" charade. These are the guys who are bragging about their signing bonus and the new Porsche or boat, etc they just bought. Their life is all about materialism, service-to-self while making it look like they serve Americans. I find it rather disgusting really.


Mark Passio talks about the US armed forces being a cult, and I have to agree. And, I've heard Phil Gilmore of the church of satan say in an interview that "many police and military are members"! But of course the entire interview has long been deleted from youtube.

 

So in essence, they take their orders from the bankers and weapons manufactures and the aerospace industry (lockheed martin, northrup, douglas, etc).


Army too with their 37F psyop division. Beware.

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2 hours ago, Velma said:

Italian MP Sara Cunial:

 

“Hobbes said that absolute power does not come from an imposition from above but by the choice of individuals who feel more protected renouncing to their own freedom and granting it to a third party. With this, you are going on anesthetizing the minds with corrupted Mass Media with Amuchina (a brand of disinfectant promoted by Mass Media) and NLP, with words like “regime”, “to allow” and “to permit”, to the point of allowing you to regulate our emotional ties and feelings and certify our affects.

 

So, in this way, Phase 2 is nothing else than the persecution/continuation of Phase 1 – you just changed the name, as you did with the European Stability Mechanism (ESM). We have understood people, for sure, don’t die for the virus alone. So people will be allowed to die and suffer, thanks to you and your laws, for misery and poverty. And, as in the “best” regimes, the blame will be dropped only on citizens. You take away our freedom and say that we looked for it. Divide et Impera (Divide and Rule).

 

It is our children who will lose more, who are ‘raped souls’, with the help of the so-called “guarantor of their rights” and of CISMAI (Italian Coordination of Services against Child Abuse). In this way, the right to school will be granted only with a bracelet to get them used to probation, to get them used to slavery – involuntary treatment and to virtual lager. All this in exchange for a push-scooter and a tablet. All to satisfy the appetites of a financial capitalism whose driving force is the conflict of interest, conflict well represented by the WHO, whose main financier is the well-known “philanthropist and savior of the world” Bill Gates.

 

We all know it, now. Bill Gates, already in 2018, predicted a pandemic, simulated in October 2019 at the “Event 201”, together with Davos (Switzerland). For decades, Gates has been working on Depopulation policy and dictatorial control plans on global politics, aiming to obtain the primacy on agriculture, technology and energy.

Gates said, I quote exactly from his speech:

 

“If we do a good job on vaccines, health and reproduction, we can reduce the world population by 10-15%. Only a genocide can save the world”.

 

With his vaccines, Gates managed to sterilize millions of women in Africa. Gates caused a polio epidemic that paralyzed 500,000 children in India and still today with DTP, Gates causes more deaths than the disease itself. And he does the same with GMOs designed by Monsanto and “generously donated” to needy populations. All this while he is already thinking about distributing the quantum tattoo for vaccination recognition and mRNA vaccines as tools for reprogramming our immune system. In addition, Gates also does business with several multinationals that own 5G facilities in the USA.

 

On this table there is the entire Deep State in Italian sauce: Sanofi, together with GlaxoSmithKline are friends of the Ranieri Guerra, Ricciardi, and of the well-known virologist that we pay 2000 Euro every 10 minutes for the presentations on Rai (Italian state TV. She’s probably talking about Burioni). Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline sign agreements with medical societies to indoctrinate future doctors, making fun of their autonomy of judgment and their oath.

 

Hi-Tech multinationals, like the Roman Engineering which is friend of the noble Mantoan, or Bending Spoons, of Pisano, which are there for control and manage our personal health datas in agreement with the European Agenda ID2020 of electronic identification, which aims to use mass vaccination to obtain a digital platform of digital ID. This is a continuation of the transfer of data started by Renzi to IBM. Renzi, in 2016, gave a plus 30% to Gates Global Fund.

 

On the Deep State table there are the people of Aspen, like the Saxon Colao, who with his 4-pages reports, paid 800 Euros/hour, with no scientific review, dictates its politics as a Bilderberg general as he is, staying away from the battlefield. The list is long. Very long. In the list there is also Mediatronic, by Arcuri and many more.

 

The Italian contribution to the International Alliance Against Coronavirus will be of 140 million Euros, of which 120 million Euros will be given to GAVI Alliance, the non-profit by Gates Foundation. They are just a part of the 7.4 billion Euro fund by the EU to find a vaccine against Coronavirus – vaccines which will be used as I said before.

 

No money, ofcourse for serotherapy, which has the collateral effect of being super cheap. No money for prevention, a real prevention, which includes our lifestyles, our food and our relationship with the environment.

 

The real goal of all of this is total control. Absolute domination of human beings, transformed into guinea pigs and slaves, violating sovereignty and free will. All this thanks to tricks/hoax disguised as political compromises. While you rip up the Nuremberg code with involuntary treatment, fines and deportation, facial recognition and intimidation, endorsed by dogmatic scientism – protected by our “Multi-President” of the Republic who is real cultural epidemic of this country.

 

We, with the people, will multiply the fires of resistance in a way that you won’t be able to repress all of us.

 

I ask you, President, to be the spokesperson and give an advice to our President Conte: Dear Mr. President Conte, next time you receive a phone call from the philanthropist Bill Gates forward it directly to the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity. If you won’t do this, tell us how we should define you, the “friend lawyer” who takes orders from a criminal.

 

Thank you.”

 

https://nonvenipacem.com/2020/05/17/huge-italian-mp-calls-for-criminal-arrest-and-prosecution-of-bill-gates-in-open-parliament/


This speech is one of the last posts I remember seeing on here before the hack. A politician calling for the arrest and jailing of Bill Gates. We need more of this stuff. From all walks of life, all across the earth.

 

Truth will out!.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Messenger said:

All great comments and insight lads and ladies.


I too had a nice juicy long post written out and then after clicking submit I was rewarded with a blocked page. Lost my post when I clicked back.

It was a good one too that would have provided hours of entertainment and information. lol :classic_biggrin:


That greta thunberg girl, poor child, she looks so sad and worn out and she's only what, 10?
 

Through a search I found the old forum archived.

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20151007043654/http://forum.davidicke.com/index.php


 

I saw people posting that link on Twitter under David's tweet. There seem to be a lot of people viewing the threads.

 

Greta is 17. She does appear younger which is likely why she was an ideal candidate.

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5 hours ago, motleyhoo said:

Oh, it's real, but I don't think anyone unleashed anything. All the evidence points to the seasonal flu being turned into an invisible, deadly boogeyman.  I mean, just look at the statistics for all of the common viruses that infect everyone every Winter, like colds, flu, bronchitis, and pneumonia - they're magically non-existent this year. That's because they turned every sneeze, cough and sniffle into Covid. 

 

Well, I think they have done all of what you have said on top of unleashing a virus. For example, the virus hit Wuhan and Tehran quite hard, deliberately so, but it hasn't hit the U.K. or U.S. very much at all.

 

4 hours ago, Number6 said:

I would like to know if these wonderful (lol) vaccines Astra Zeneca are trialing for the UK contain these nano chips. Can't find anything on their website in relation to this. Alok Sharma said there are 6 vaccines being trialled, he did not mention which companies are involved in making them. If I get forcibly chipped I will have to invest in a taser (a bit of electricity will hopefully blow the lil feckers). 

 

Surely, even the PTB wouldn't try pulling that stunt. 'Oh, by the way, we just also chipped you with that vaccine you took.' :classic_laugh:

 

4 hours ago, motleyhoo said:

Not sure if you saw this forum right after the attack. It was spooky, and it was obvious an organized attack against our pandemic truth. It said something like "I am <some dumbass name>. Fuck your pandemic truth" Then had another entry about paying $300. If it had been a normal attack by a scammer it would have said $10,000.

 

Maybe the plan was to start small, then to come back for more? :classic_wink:

 

4 hours ago, Velma said:

Sharma, whoever he is, said the pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca had finalised a "global licensing agreement" with Oxford University with government support, and added: "This means that if the vaccine is successful AstraZeneca will work to make 30 million doses available by September for the UK as part of an agreement for over 100 million doses in total." In four months! He said "the UK will be first to get access" but that the government would also ensure that "we're able to make the vaccine available to developing countries at the lowest possible cost". I bet you will!

 

I heard that Bill Gates is only looking at breaking even in all of this. :classic_smile:

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5 hours ago, Finder said:

He is also a former police officer who stood against the local police and their unlawful actions and decisions directed at him. He has a website through which you can contact him directly. Use a non-scroogle engine to find his site.

'It takes ordinary people to stand up and say no': Harry Miller on his landmark free speech case against the police. Mr Miller won a legal challenge against Humberside Police after they recorded a ‘non-crime hate incident’ against him.'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/24/man-investigated-police-retweeting-transgender-limerick/

 

The alarming thing is, someone please correct me if I am mistaken, that the Supreme Court is still to judge on the wider issue of the police acting on perceived 'hate crimes'. I 'wondered' whether the whole thing might be a psyop.

 

3 hours ago, KingKitty said:

I wonder for whose benefit Trump announced that the military would be distributing the miracle cure? He knows most Americans are going to read this as, "Trump will have military forcing vax on citizens!" ...you know what? I had more to say, but "something" is tampering with my post as I write....gettin' sketchy here, kids.

 

The PTB 'tampered' with us on the old forum just as much. Perhaps even more so, as it was vBulletin. The more popular the software, then the more efforts the PTB will have put in to finding exploits.

 

2 hours ago, serpentine said:

And NOW they are saying it is safe!

 

They suddenly realised that there are some kids out there, who need to be continually brainwashed. :classic_laugh:

 

1 hour ago, Messenger said:

All great comments and insight lads and ladies. I too had a nice juicy long post written out and then after clicking submit I was rewarded with a blocked page. Lost my post when I clicked back. It was a good one too that would have provided hours of entertainment and information. lol :classic_biggrin:

 

When I click 'back' on my browser, after getting the same 'you are blocked' message, then my post content does reappear in the box at the bottom of the page. Only after I click my mouse in the said box though. If that doesn't work for you, then always do 'seelect all' and 'copy' before posting. For as long as we are all suffering difficulties anyway. I just had more problems myself.

 

1 hour ago, banjo dog said:

On the way home heard something on radio four, didn't get the person's name, this chap was saying "The lock down should stop tomorrow, those that want to live in isolation should be allowed to do so, and the rest of us who want to get back to normal should be able to". Nearly went off the road hearing some one talking sense on the B.B.C. This was just after 5pm, if it is possible to hear radio broadcasts retrospectively and any one wants to hear exactly what he said.

 

Isn't it great that the BBC are allowing such talk, AFTER so much damage has already been done. :classic_rolleyes:

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