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1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

Is this following article true?

The Truth Revealed About the Deadly 1918 Spanish Flu: It Was Actually Bacterial Pneumonia

May 28, 2019 Russ Winter

When the United States entered WWI in April 1917, the fledgling pharmaceutical industry had something they had never had before: a large supply of human test subjects. During the war years of 1918 to 1919, the U.S. Army ballooned to 6 million men, of which 2 million were sent overseas. The Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research took advantage of this new pool of human guinea pigs to conduct vaccine experiments.

In January 1918, vaccines were administered to soldiers at Ft. Riley, Kansas. Shortly afterward, the vaccine was offered by the Division Surgeon to the camp at large. The vaccine used was made in the laboratory of The Rockefeller Institute. Between Jan. 21 and June 4 of 1918, Dr. Frederick L. Gates reported an experiment in which soldiers were given three doses of a bacterial meningitis vaccine. The vaccines were spitball dosages of a vaccine serum derived from horses.

The details are available in a report by Dr. Gates: “Antimeningitis Vaccination and Observation on Agglutinins in the Blood of Chronic Meningococcus Carriers.”

Gates wrote that men in the experiment showed flu-like symptoms, including cough, vomiting and diarrhea, after receiving the vaccine. These symptoms are a disaster for men living in barracks, travelling on trains to the Atlantic Coast, sailing to Europe and living and fighting in trenches.

Then, shortly before breakfast on Monday, March 11, came the commencement of the first wave of the 1918 so-called influenza. By noon, camp surgeon Edward R. Schreiner had over 100 sick men on his hands, all apparently “suffering from the same malady.”

From Dr. Gates’ report:

Reactions … Several cases of looseness of the bowels or transient diarrhea were noted. This symptom had not been encountered before. Careful inquiry in individual cases often elicited the information that men who complained of the effects of vaccination were suffering from mild coryza, bronchitis, etc., at the time of injection.

Sometimes the reaction was initiated by a chill or chilly sensation, and a number of men complained of fever or feverish sensations during the following night.

Next in frequency came nausea (occasionally vomiting), dizziness, and general “aches and pains” in the joints and muscles, which in a few instances were especially localized in the neck or lumbar region, causing stiff neck or stiff back. A few injections were followed by diarrhea.

The reactions, therefore, occasionally simulated the onset of epidemic meningitis and several vaccinated men were sent as suspects to the Base Hospital for diagnosis.

According to Gates, they injected random dosages of an experimental bacterial meningitis vaccine into soldiers. Afterward, some of the soldiers had symptoms that were characterized as “simulated” meningitis, but Dr. Gates advances the fantastical claim that it wasn’t actual meningitis.

In 1918, “influenza” or flu was a catchall term for a disease of unknown origin. The misdirection term “Spanish Flu” has never been corrected. Whodathunk? It helped disguise the origin of the pandemic. If there were any real justice in this world, it would be called the “Rockefeller pandemic.”

By some strange coinkydink, even modern technology has not been able to pinpoint the killer influenza strain from this pandemic. The “Spanish flu” attacked healthy people in their prime. Bacterial pneumonia attacks people in their prime. Flu attacks the young, old and immuno-compromised.

In actuality bacterial pneumonia was the real killer — and thousands of autopsies confirm this fact.

Researchers looked at more than 9,000 autopsies, and “there were no negative (bacterial) lung culture results.”

According to a 2008 National Institute of Health paper, bacterial pneumonia was the killer in a minimum of 92.7% of the autopsies of those who died of so-called “Spanish flu” between 1918 and 1919.  

So an experimental anti-meningoccic serum that was derived from horses was injected into soldiers who would be entering the cramped and unsanitary living conditions of war. What could possibly go wrong?

The Institute said it distributed the bacterial serum to England, France, Belgium, Italy and other countries during WWI. Ultimately, these Rockefeller Institute quacks killed 50 to 100 million people via bacterial lung infections from 1918 to 1919.

An article from 2008 on the U.S. Centers for Disease Control’s website describes how sick WWI soldiers could pass along the bacteria to others by becoming “cloud adults.”

“Finally, for brief periods and to varying degrees, affected hosts became “cloud adults” who increased the aerosolization of colonizing strains of bacteria, particularly pneumococci, hemolytic streptococci, H. influenzae, and S. aureus.

Dr. Carol Byerly describes how the “influenza” traveled like wildfire through the U.S. military. (Substitute “bacteria” for Dr. Byerly’s “influenza” or “virus.”):

Fourteen of the largest training camps had reported influenza outbreaks in March, April, or May, and recovered infected troops carried the virus with them aboard ships to France. As soldiers in the trenches became sick, the military evacuated them from the front lines and replaced them with healthy men. This process continuously brought the virus into contact with new hosts—young, healthy soldiers in which it could adapt, reproduce, and become extremely virulent without danger of burning out.

Also contributing to the high mortality of this pneumonia outbreak was the overuse of aspirin.

https://www.winterwatch.net/2019/05/the-truth-revealed-about-the-deadly-1918-spanish-flu-it-was-actually-bacterial-pneumonia/

Fauci did a paper on this worth a read.

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Just now, zArk said:

 

imo 'flu season' in Mexico is quite a stretch. With over 120 million population an average flu season deaths of 600 people its a bit of a joke really.

why at that time of year? i dont know, i cant find any data from studies.

 

but then its pertinent to ask the same question to Covid19 --- last year and the predicted spike again this year.

Talkradio Julia has been veyr upset that cases were reducing before the lockdown last year and they were at it again at december. piggie backing on natural waves of illness with the lockdowns.

 

 

 

Not assuming anything but have you ruled out sychronized food or water poisonings? Would that work with your ideas?

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8 minutes ago, Beaujangles said:

 

 

I was more referring to posters, than moderators... and how a valid point of interest ie Tanzanian president ( missing posts) ...can suddenly be turfed backwards due to a rush of posts that avalanche the said post. I thought my post made sense but does not seem to have LOL.

My bad. Sorry. 

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1 minute ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

Not assuming anything but have you ruled out sychronized food or water poisonings? Would that work with your ideas?

 

 i consider all toxins and poisons. i watched Sahara last night, with Wooderson in the lead and Cruz.

the WHO was investigating a deadly disease outbreak and they discovered it was toxic waste poisoning the water supply. The responsible were trying to hide the truth. I could easily see it being an xfiles episode

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Captainlove said:

Fauci did a paper on this worth a read.

Anytime I see 3 full pages of search engine results saying Fauci never said that I know he said it 🤣 They did the same thing with Mullis saying the PCR was not designed to determine infection or contagion. In my time on the web I dont recall another time where so much attention was given to denying someone said something.

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1 minute ago, zArk said:

 

 i consider all toxins and poisons. i watched Sahara last night, with Wooderson in the lead and Cruz.

the WHO was investigating a deadly disease outbreak and they discovered it was toxic waste poisoning the water supply. The responsible were trying to hide the truth. I could easily see it being an xfiles episode

 

 

I understand. Thanks.

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That's Gibraltar off the safe list of places to escape to.

 

Gibraltar becomes the first nation in the world to vaccinate entire adult population

All adults in the British territory have received both jabs, health secretary Matt Hancock confirmed on Thursday.

 

18/3/21

 

Gibraltar has become the first nation in the world to fully vaccinate its entire adult population against coronavirus.

Health secretary Matt Hancock told the House of Commons today that the British territory reached the milestone yesterday.

 

Full story at https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/gibraltar-covid-vaccination-programme-entire-adult-population-b924942.html

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1 hour ago, zArk said:

thats merely presumption and assumption,there is no scientific data showing any transmission of a germ.

exosomes are a creation to paper over the cracks of a failing mainstream biological model.

 

healthy is healthy and the PCR test especially the flow test is designed to produce hidden disease where there is none.

all the data coming from schools is showing that children are not spreading anything around the classrooms infact the data is being interpreted to show that most infection occurs at home, which is a polite way of saying 'opps we cant prove contagion in public space so based upon the tests we say its happening at home'

 

What about stomach flus, Norovirus from dodgy foods, how does that spread to people that havent ate dodgy food.

So contagions are real & do spread all the time.

 

Many people I speak to seems to be a common theme since lockdown have not got ill much with any colds.

 

Certain people I know who are the most toxic eaters or drinkers as well, never get sick like my brother when he was a brew head. He was drinking like 8 cans of brew a day & never got a cold or flu. Weird.
 

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Fascinating article from German virologist, Stefan Lanka, called  ‘The Misconception Called Virus’, in which he says there is no such thing as pathogenic viruses. He says: “The claims about the existence of viruses are based on historic misinterpretations”.

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14 minutes ago, evanslr said:

Fascinating article from German virologist, Stefan Lanka, called  ‘The Misconception Called Virus’, in which he says there is no such thing as pathogenic viruses. He says: “The claims about the existence of viruses are based on historic misinterpretations”.

From your link..thanks

 

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Contagion is the transmission of an infectuous pathogen from one host to the next. If the virus is not a valid claim then what properties of our human condition are at work when the unwellness is conveyed to others. Personally I've tried to explain away contagion but it keeps coming back. The solution I found theoretically is that we are being poisoned in food or water in a synchronized fashion. Then ODDS reminds us how few people have been sick and implies this to our imposed distancing and measures. Its a bit confusing I will admit.

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5 hours ago, SimonTV said:

 

Fluoride was proven a poison and nothing more in Christopher Bryson's book Fluoride Deception (2006) 16 years ago and they are still adding it to the drinking water. I called up my local water company in Essex and they assured me that they don't add "anything" to the water. He also did a documentary of the same name if you have not seen it. 

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fluoride-Deception-Christopher-Bryson/dp/1583227008

 

Seen it probably 50 times. An all time classic. The book is a masterpiece of investigative journalism. You have fine taste.

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36 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Certain people I know who are the most toxic eaters or drinkers as well, never get sick like my brother when he was a brew head. He was drinking like 8 cans of brew a day & never got a cold or flu. Weird.

 

That would be what they call alternative medicine.

 

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20 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

Seen it probably 50 times. An all time classic. The book is a masterpiece of investigative journalism. You have fine taste.

I'm dying of toothache after few days without my Repair paste... And tea, especially green have a lot of natural fluoride... I love tea... Japanese who drink it a lot live quite long... 🤔

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1 minute ago, Human10 said:

I'm dying of toothache after few days without my Repair paste... And tea, especially green have a lot of natural fluoride... I love tea... Japanese who drink it a lot live quite long... 🤔

 

They probably have other lifestyle and dietary factors that cancel out effects of the calcium fluoride. Or maybe they have subtle underlying negative effects they don't realise. Only targeted studies could find out.

 

Meanwhile, we get the 'special' stuff 😍...

 

 

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1 hour ago, zArk said:

 

 i consider all toxins and poisons. i watched Sahara last night, with Wooderson in the lead and Cruz.

the WHO was investigating a deadly disease outbreak and they discovered it was toxic waste poisoning the water supply. The responsible were trying to hide the truth. I could easily see it being an xfiles episode

 

 

V for Vendetta had same reason of disease... They even made a vax for this poison... 🥴

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