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2 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

Plus staying on top of digital records rules of government. 

 

Exactly. HOWEVER, in this case of these experimental vaccines, and the emergency approvals, I forgive NO doctor for not independently and skeptically looking into this to protect their patients. Just accpeting what authorities say in these circumstance is pure negligence.

 

@Avoiceinthecrowd Here is a perfect example of an absolute useful idiot doctor (she's either lying, or incompetent, I can't tell). I'm leaning towards they picked her because she's a bumbling fool. Check this out:

 

She took the Astra vaccine (well, she claims she did) and here is exactly what she said, which was reported widely in the media:

 

"I am immunocompromised myself … it's really important to have that health protection not only for myself, not only for my workers but also for the people who we serve, which is the public." [ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-05/first-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-in-australia-murray-bridge/13218604 ]

 

Now, one wonders, did she actually bother to read the fine print on the vaccine product information? This is exactly what it says:

 

"Immunocompromised individuals: The immunogenicity, efficacy and safety of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca has not been assessed in immunocompromised individuals, including those receiving immunosuppressive therapy. The immunogenicity of vaccines may be lower in immunosuppressed patients." [ https://www.ebs.tga.gov.au/ebs/picmi/picmirepository.nsf/pdf?OpenAgent&id=CP-2021-PI-01194-1&d=202103171016933 ]

 

It's on page three of the provisional approval [linked above]. Right there in plain English!

 

Now she either did not read it, in which case she's incompetent and lazy and negligent in recommending it to other uncompromising people.

 

OR, she did read it, and she's fucking lying.

 

The latter should be a criminal offense. The former should require professional disciplinary action. Either way, it's a disgrace.

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9 minutes ago, DarianF said:

"Health authorities will delay providing the AstraZeneca vaccine to those who are sensitive to anaphylactic responses after four Queensland recipients had alarming allergic reactions to the jab in the last 48 hours. Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said there will now be “precautionary measures” to advise those who are anaphylactic to delay getting the jab while those who proceed to get the vaccine who suffer from these conditions will be observed in hospitals afterwards." https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/four-reactions-to-astrazeneca-vaccine-in-queensland-leads-to-new-warning/news-story/501fa8f3817fab6e855f42394056b330

You have to wonder why those with history of severe allergic responses are being given the jab in the first place. Were any properly informed of potential risks? I doubt it.

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3 minutes ago, BossCrow said:

You have to wonder why those with history of severe allergic responses are being given the jab in the first place. Were any properly informed of potential risks? I doubt it.

 

The following part of the quote shows these people are incompetent morons:

 

"Health Minister Yvette D’Ath said there will now be “precautionary measures” to advise those who are anaphylactic to delay getting the jab and those who proceed to get the vaccine who suffer from these conditions will be observed in hospitals once they receive the vaccine.“I want to reassure people that we have absolute confidence in our vaccines in Australia, as the Therapeutic Goods Administration has said all along, that there is a risk category there in relation to people who have allergic reactions,” she told reporters on Wednesday morning." https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/four-reactions-to-astrazeneca-vaccine-in-queensland-leads-to-new-warning/news-story/501fa8f3817fab6e855f42394056b330

 

Well well. So you knew all along there was a risk for allergic reaactions, you admit that. But you waited until after people actually started having these reactions to begin to implement your precautionary measure.

 

If you knew all along, dickheads, why didn't you warn people first?!

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9 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

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How many doctors or medical personnel would be as eager to administer dangerous injections if they thought they could go to jail. One thing is certain in my mind is that doctors would be far more eager to stay up to date especially with experimental vaccines. As it stands they are taught that the blame is passed on, thus breeding abdication of the duty not to harm.

You're right, most doctors seem very casual about other people's health. And ignorant about the drugs they're peddling.

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2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

with the prize being that you get to live if you refused the injections?

 

I don't think they will let us off the hook that easily. The next stage after they have injected all the willing is to create a two minute hate against the uninjected as a pre-cursor to them declaring it 'mandatory' for everyone to be injected. Then when some people still don't comply it becomes door to door. By this point the injected will be dropping like flies and it is their health crisis that will be used as the excuse to make injections mandatory because they will claim it is happening due to 'mutated strains'

 

I believe they want us all injected so the only question for them is how to get us from A (only some people injected) to B (everyone injected) without us overthrowing them before they can achieve it

Those who refuse to be injected will be blamed for the deaths the injections will cause. Is it time to run for the hills yet?

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14 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

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How many doctors or medical personnel would be as eager to administer dangerous injections if they thought they could go to jail? One thing is certain in my mind is that doctors would be far more eager to stay up to date especially with experimental vaccines. As it stands they are taught that the blame is passed on, thus breeding abdication of the duty not to harm. This way the doctor cant refuse on fear of prosecution. Like pharma has their back.

 

Exactly mate, well said. That's why the changes to the UK law are so disgusting:

 

"The current legal framework already recognises that if manufacturers or healthcare professionals are asked to supply an unlicensed medicine in response to a public health threat, it is unfair also to ask them to take responsibility for the consequences of the use of that medicine in the way that they normally would."

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines#civil-liability-and-immunity

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1 minute ago, AnarchicBreeze said:

Those who refuse to be injected will be blamed for the deaths the injections will cause. Is it time to run for the hills yet?

 

That time has already come. Save yourselves.

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3 minutes ago, BossCrow said:

You're right, most doctors seem very casual about other people's health. And ignorant about the drugs they're peddling.

I am fully expecting my *GP* (aka a bunch of bussed-in strangers) to tell me the jab is perfectly safe and suitable for me, even though the GMC advice to doctors is to avoid giving it to anyone with conditions such as mine. The fact the NHS call centre agency have already contacted me, suggests this is how it'll go. They have abdicated any notion of responsibility or adherence to ethical medical practice and duty of care to patients.

 

No doubt they'll love me telling them that they ought not to be even offering it to me.

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9 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

Exactly. HOWEVER, in this case of these experimental vaccines, and the emergency approvals, I forgive NO doctor for not independently and skeptically looking into this to protect their patients. Just accpeting what authorities say in these circumstance is pure negligence.

 

@Avoiceinthecrowd Here is a perfect example of an absolute useful idiot doctor (she's either lying, or incompetent, I can't tell). I'm leaning towards they picked her because she's a bumbling fool. Check this out:

 

She took the Astra vaccine (well, she claims she did) and here is exactly what she said, which was reported widely in the media:

 

"I am immunocompromised myself … it's really important to have that health protection not only for myself, not only for my workers but also for the people who we serve, which is the public." [ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-05/first-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-in-australia-murray-bridge/13218604 ]

 

Now, one wonders, did she actually bother to read the fine print on the vaccine product information? This is exactly what it says:

 

"Immunocompromised individuals: The immunogenicity, efficacy and safety of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca has not been assessed in immunocompromised individuals, including those receiving immunosuppressive therapy. The immunogenicity of vaccines may be lower in immunosuppressed patients." [ https://www.ebs.tga.gov.au/ebs/picmi/picmirepository.nsf/pdf?OpenAgent&id=CP-2021-PI-01194-1&d=202103171016933 ]

 

It's on page three of the provisional approval [linked above]. Right there in plain English!

 

Now she either did not read it, in which case she's incompetent and lazy and negligent in recommending it to other uncompromising people.

 

OR, she did read it, and she's fucking lying.

 

The latter should be a criminal offense. The former should require professional disciplinary action. Either way, it's a disgrace.

I take it then you have a fair idea whats coming next fall. Immunocompromission the likes of making a common flu hit like Godzilla. "New strain!! New strain!!" The flu is the same but the defences have been tampered with by pharma exactly to produce this result and ramp up the fear to dangerous levels.

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1 minute ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

I am fully expecting my *GP* (aka a bunch of bussed-in strangers) to tell me the jab is perfectly safe and suitable for me, even though the GMC advice to doctors is to avoid giving it to anyone with conditions such as mine. The fact the NHS call centre agency have already contacted me, suggests this is how it'll go. They have abdicated any notion of responsibility or adherence to ethical medical practice and duty of care to patients.

 

No doubt they'll love me telling them that they ought not to be even offering it to me.

 

Print out the full product information before you go to the GP. Highlight all the key sections. And when they say it's perfectly safe, you whip it out and say, "oh really... explain this then..." My guess is they haven't even read it themselves. If they still insist, you ask them to sign a document saying they are willing to accept liability for any damages caused. Then watch them squirm.

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4 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

Exactly mate, well said. That's why the changes to the UK law are so disgusting:

 

"The current legal framework already recognises that if manufacturers or healthcare professionals are asked to supply an unlicensed medicine in response to a public health threat, it is unfair also to ask them to take responsibility for the consequences of the use of that medicine in the way that they normally would."

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines#civil-liability-and-immunity

Thanks for that. 

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6 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

I take it then you have a fair idea whats coming next fall. Immunocompromission the likes of making a common flu hit like Godzilla. "New strain!! New strain!!" The flu is the same but the defences have been tampered with by pharma exactly to produce this result and ramp up the fear to dangerous levels.

 

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1 minute ago, DarianF said:

 

Print out the full product information before you go to the GP. Highlight all the key sections. And when they say it's perfectly safe, you whip it out and say, "oh really... explain this then..." My guess is they haven't even read it themselves. If they still insist, you ask them to sign a document saying they are willing to accept liability for any damages caused. Then watch them squirm.

Our surgery won't even see people. You drive up to it and it's like something out of The Avengers, the town that disappeared, or something. Boarded up, with notices everywhere telling you what they won't do, and what you now have to do. Total abdication of providing a service.

 

If I manage to take one of their calls, or they actually write to me (and it's not from the NHS clowns), I might point it all out. I have the info printed, and highlighted, already. It's just a matter of if I use it, and/or get an opportunity to use it. And it depends how heavy it gets down the line, how much I am forced to try and have the jab.

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1 minute ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

Our surgery won't even see people. You drive up to it and it's like something out of The Avengers, the town that disappeared, or something. Boarded up, with notices everywhere telling you what they won't do, and what you now have to do. Total abdication of providing a service.

 

If I manage to take one of their calls, or they actually write to me (and it's not from the NHS clowns), I might point it all out. I have the info printed, and highlighted, already. It's just a matter of if I use it, and/or get an opportunity to use it. And it depends how heavy it gets down the line, how much I am forced to try and have the jab.

 

Just think how many people are dying or getting much more ill because they can't access regular medical care. The people behind this scam need to go to jail for the rest of their natural lives.

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7 minutes ago, DarianF said:

 

Exactly mate, well said. That's why the changes to the UK law are so disgusting:

 

"The current legal framework already recognises that if manufacturers or healthcare professionals are asked to supply an unlicensed medicine in response to a public health threat, it is unfair also to ask them to take responsibility for the consequences of the use of that medicine in the way that they normally would."

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines#civil-liability-and-immunity

 

This is probably why they're also getting the army to administer so many jabs - they're trained to kill! (so are doctors but they're maybe not always aware of it)

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Just now, DarianF said:

 

Just think how many people are dying or getting much more ill because they can't access regular medical care. The people behind this scam need to go to jail for the rest of their natural lives.

Damn right mate.

 

5m people not getting treated for their conditions, wasn't that a headline last week, before everyone suddenlyfelt unsafe being female?

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Just now, BossCrow said:

 

This is probably why they're also getting the army to administer so many jabs - they're trained to kill! (so are doctors but they're maybe not always aware of it)

 

Yep. The perfect vaccine provider. The obedient soldier trained to kill and not question orders.

 

What could possibly go wrong 😆

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Just now, Anti Facts Sir said:

5m people not getting treated for their conditions, wasn't that a headline last week, before everyone suddenlyfelt unsafe being female?

 

Timing is everything ... just a coincidence of course 😉

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