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Reflecting on ALL of this, it is so abundantly apparant that the past several hundred years has been a staged series of events courtesy of the evolving polymorphic fuedal system. 

I understand that I am stating the obvious but would like to add that the concentration of events since the industrial revolution that suposedly began in the UK has been on the surface, observably frenetic, and one thing that links all events together is that authoritarians have instigated virtually each and every event across the world during this time! 

Historically - the education system promulgates these events as organic occurrances without connection but the frequently elephant in the room is the missed link to authoritarians of every guise [and their paid actors] in this farcicle global theatre.

More recently we have endured the AIDS crisis, many wars, the global warming crisis, 9/11, the terrorist threat, the mad cow disease debacle, swine flu, bird flu,  ebola, financial crises every decade or so,  and other countless events that have all proven to be highly questionable if not blatently false.

Sars - Coronavirus is no exeption with Event 201 indicating pre-planned preparation as does the rockerfeller article of 2010 that emanated from one of their many foundations. (as noted in the video a few posts previously to this - thank you oddsnsods)

 

This has all been convolutedly expressed in plain sight and the majority have chosen - or to more accurately put it - the majority have been conditioned to accept authoritarianism [obedience training] so they can get on with their lives without a second thought. The problem for authorities is that the human species is exellent at recognising patterns of all types! It is a characteristic of ours that is expressed multilaterally, and these patterns have, for the past few decades, been overt.

 

These supposedly unconnected (esp over the past century) events have been a stress test of sorts, information gathering and trials to empirically measure cause and effect in a proactive way by authoritarians & right under our noses no less. We however, have been en-masse, been reactive rather than proactive, tied by nothing but mental chains! for the most part.  Mental chains appear to be the effective kind.

These authorities have amassed enormous quantities of information about us through all these past events, they know our behaviour, our weaknessess and strengths & how to divert and manipulate us. One of our greatest strengths is our facility for creativity which creates unpredictability for them and potential for us  - this does not feed well into their technocratic modelling! 

 

I posted a youtube video further up (thread-page 133) that showed German doctors who essentially, have formed a committee to interogate the actions of our authoritarians. I hope this will gather momentum and they have openly invited genuine support, nationally and internationally.

To me, this is exemplary behaviour and should be mirrored worldwide if we are to save ourselves from diversion and a dystopian future.

Like others here I post widely on several forums in an attempt illucidate this gigantic global hoax - the gravity of which I think is just starting to dawn on most.

I also try to maintain a semblance of normality, no distancing, no isolation, no mask - no restrictions other than what I regard to be normal.

This, is in my opinion - positive virtue signalling.

 

Another quote gleaned from youtube comments:

To live a good life you need not fear death. Death can only end your life not ruin it, while cowering in fear will ruin your life.

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They really are absolute bastards wanting people to submit to authority and control them.

 

I've seen elderly Spanish people struggling just walking in 30 plus celcius in these god damned masks.

 

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Andaluica in Spain as well as Majorca and Ibiza and other regions are making it mandatory to wear the mask everywhere except the beach and

swimming pools afaik.

 

This means if someone wished to take a quiet walk on a country road, they still have to wear the mask or risk a 100 euro fine.

 

Spain has raked in over 1,000,000 euros in Covid fines so far.

Masks Made Mandatory at ALL Times on the Costa del Sol

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/07/11/masks-made-mandatory-at-all-times-on-the-costa-del-sol/#.XwnTA-fRZPY

 

 

 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

I think there is a business opportunity here.

 

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Yes - I agree.

We should form our own governments, institutionalise our criminal behaviours for public consumption and rake in the proceeds of fines and taxes ......  ;)

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36 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

I think there is a business opportunity here.

 

 

I've said this before, as soon as China's lockdown was lifted earlier this year, and their factories returned to work, that's when the mass production of all these masks started.

 

And because these masks are 'disposable', people will need to keep buying them. Make wearing of them mandatory everywhere, instead of by choice, and you have a huge market of regular customers.

 

The Chinese manufacturers have been laughing all the way to the bank...

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2 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

I've said this before, as soon as China's lockdown was lifted earlier this year, and their factories returned to work, that's when the mass production of all these masks started.

 

And because these masks are 'disposable', people will need to keep buying them. Make wearing of them mandatory everywhere, instead of by choice, and you have a huge market of regular customers.

 

The Chinese manufacturers have been laughing all the way to the bank...

 

It's only short-term gains though surely? Will masks still be a requirement once the vaccine is being pushed out, or will they just keep us in a state of fear with constant warnings about more "pandemics"?

 

Assuming the only crisis in the near future is the corona, the masks are probably to see how much people will put up with. They have the added benefit of being an uncomfortable annoyance so people will happily remove them for a vaccine. First they make masks for travel a requirement, masks for work a requirement, and masks for shopping etc...  then they replace masks for vax.

 

Then once it has all blown over you'll get people in clothing that says "I survived the 'rona and all I got was this lousy t-shirt".

 

Maybe if you're fortunate enough to be allowed to have children in the coming dystopia then you can refer to them as "second generation coronavirus survivors".

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1 hour ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

I've said this before, as soon as China's lockdown was lifted earlier this year, and their factories returned to work, that's when the mass production of all these masks started.

 

And because these masks are 'disposable', people will need to keep buying them. Make wearing of them mandatory everywhere, instead of by choice, and you have a huge market of regular customers.

 

The Chinese manufacturers have been laughing all the way to the bank...

 

After watching Vernon Colemans summary of masks where they are contaminated upon contact. He presents contentions that cannot be ignored i.e. as soon as you touch a mask it is contaminated. Your face is also contaminated as is the remainder of your body, your hair and your clothes. As the breath escapes through the mask and around its perifery fitment particulates escape. If you fart, that undoubtedly erupts so called pathogenic contaiminants! In effect we are the contaminant.

Utterly ridicuous as you can tell.

If those who push the use of masks had genuine intent and were truthful and pretending the authenticity of the virus then we would change the mask 500+ times per day and yes the chinese manufacturers would be raking it in as they are. Maybe thats where all the fibres for toilet roll went! ;)

I would think that the possibly manufacturing body bags will be next. Hermetically sealed or not! - it doesnt matter - you can use propaganda to sell efficacy.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

A suggestion for male readers if you are asked to provide your details when visiting a pub, restaurant or shop.

 

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(PS - I have been informed that one of the my local Wetherspoons doesn't even bother with this form).

 

Haha great ?

 

When we had to sign in to go in anywhere, I always put our ‘dear leaders’ name; we don’t have to do it now; though they would ‘like’ you to.

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1 hour ago, zarkov said:

 

After watching Vernon Colemans summary of masks where they are contaminated upon contact. He presents contentions that cannot be ignored i.e. as soon as you touch a mask it is contaminated. Your face is also contaminated as is the remainder of your body, your hair and your clothes. As the breath escapes through the mask and around its perifery fitment particulates escape. If you fart, that undoubtedly erupts so called pathogenic contaiminants! In effect we are the contaminant.

Utterly ridicuous as you can tell.

If those who push the use of masks had genuine intent and were truthful and pretending the authenticity of the virus then we would change the mask 500+ times per day and yes the chinese manufacturers would be raking it in as they are. Maybe thats where all the fibres for toilet roll went! ;)

I would think that the possibly manufacturing body bags will be next. Hermetically sealed or not! - it doesnt matter - you can use propaganda to sell efficacy.

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

 

Kinda, they can legally kidnap you if they suspect you of being infected. So I would say yes.

 

The BBC reported about kits being left door-to-door for people to do the test themselves and then they are collected after 20 minutes.  If one does not volunteer, does one get snatched or is that the next stage of door step testing where it is not compulsory, but you have to do it?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53361175

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Orange Alert said:

 

The BBC reported about kits being left door-to-door for people to do the test themselves and then they are collected after 20 minutes.  If one does not volunteer, does one get snatched or is that the next stage of door step testing where it is not compulsory, but you have to do it?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-53361175

 

 

Giving your DNA & dooming yourself to more lockdown & getting what in return? ?

 

We have a nation of commie loving sheeple..even Serbia puts us to shame.

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1 hour ago, oddsnsods said:

 

Kinda, they can legally kidnap you if they suspect you of being infected. So I would say yes.

 

And take your kids away lets not forget. Kind of sounds like the sort of thing that happened in the last World war but then again what do I know?  I'm just a conspiracy theorist like the rest of the nutters on this site.

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2 minutes ago, Given To Fly said:

here's a response to me on youtube re: vaccines.

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The comments section on youtube really shows you the effect the24/7  fear has had on the masses, and the brainwashed opinions articulated there and on other social media sites are genuinely frightening. Throw in the odd professional shill and it's hard to see where any mass awakening is coming from.

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http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/leicester_2jul.html

 

As Covid-19 disappears off the radar for most of the UK, a reversal into stricter lockdown measures is being imposed on Leicester, in the North of England. Why?

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Covid deaths and "Pillar One" positive tests are now very low in Leicester

Lab confirmed Covid cases for Leicester were yesterday 0. the day before 1, Monday 6, on Sunday 1. These are low numbers and probably around 40% will have no symptoms, for those who do get it, the risk is similar to flu (which is of course significant for older people or those with comorbidities, and little to worry about for the rest).

Additional lockdown measures in Leicester are based on unpublished "Pillar Two" data

The test numbers described above are the so called "pillar one" (hospital lab) tests. The UK government is not organised enough to publish the "pillar twos" - swabs done in car parks, or by mail etc. So the panic in Leicester is based on Secretary of State Matt Hancock's verbal statement that there were 944 cases between 13 June and 26 June. Unfortunately this information is provided without any indication of how many tests were conducted, most probably because the government simply does not know. There was no up-tick in the Pillar One tests* which are published.

Trends in test results are close to meaningless if you do not have the number of tests conducted. This makes Matt Hancock's 944 cases a most unreliable indicator - as the more tests you run, the more cases you will find.

Sample size matters!

If a telephone poll found that 274 people tested positive as Boris Johnson supporters it would be meaningless if you are not told how many people were telephoned. If 1000 people were called that would mean one thing. If the sample size was 10,000 (more likely) it would mean something completely different.

We do not know the sample size for the "Pillar Two" cases.

"Pillar One" test results and mortality numbers both indicate that the epidemic is over

Pillar one tests have been performed at a roughly consistent rate in quality settings (hospital laboratories) and therefore do provide a good indicator. The trend in pillar one cases indicates there is little to worry about (green line in the chart above). To reinforce that impression is the trend in Leicester's Covid deaths, which have declined closely in step with infections (orange) and are now at very low levels (no deaths since 26 June and total of 5 over the seven preceding days

Conclusion: The UK government has proven itself prone to panicking and overreacting and is doing it again. The scientific/medical establishment seems asleep at the wheel in not calling them out on this. Too few are concerned about the consequences of lockdowns.

The madness continues.

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The sampled time period is that of the 27 years from 1993/94 to 2019/20 and, within those years, each Winter/Spring season of 28 weeks – up to Week 20 of the second year. The total mortality for each season is the basis for analysis.

 

None of the following analysis depends upon inferential statistics : it is purely and simply descriptive, using data and graphics that are accessible to anyone. That is the point – the picture is so obvious and uncomplicated that it raises fundamental questions about the current standard of investigative mainstream journalism – even to the point of whether it exists in any recognisable form.

 

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Between 1993/94 and 2019/20, the population of England and Wales increased by almost 9 million, or about 18 per cent. Adjusting for population has a critical effect on the comparisons between years, as can be seen in this bar chart, which mirrors to the previous chart, but with the crucial standardisation that presents seasonal deaths as a percentage of the relevant population.

 

It can be seen that during the defined winter/spring period, on average, about 0.55 per cent of the population (c. 5,500 per million) died in England and Wales, with a variation of between 0.64 and 0.48 per cent.

Within this context, it can be immediately seen that the mortality of 2019/20 is not the highest for the 27 years analysed, but instead actually ranks eighth in terms of the percentage of seasonal deaths. This clearly presents a crucially different view of the relative severity of the last season, and, by extension, the impact of the virus.

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