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I have now been called to the final vaccination deadline as a health care professional. I informed my employer that these vaccines are not technically vaccines, but are "gene therapies" as they employ

You wont believe this.   I just went down Lidls to get some steak.   Security guard calls me out as I walk past & I ignore him. Gets my steak walks to the credit only till

EXPLAIN PLEASE........   People expect so many answers without giving anything back in return.   If the "tin foil hatters" are so nuts, how about the rule followers give some answe

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17 hours ago, Free Range said:

With this Brazilian variant, i remember sometime in the summer reading a comment (whether on a forum, or yt comment i cant remember) that when you heard about this it would be time to run to the hills. I filed it, struck me as someone in the know fearmongering.

       Im of the opinion nothing too deadly would be released in case it got out of hand, so it hasnt worried me, just made me think its the next phase he was telegraphing. i.e pick a country that'll spook people.

 

I'd say not picked at random at all... vaccine trials by Astra Zeneca in UK, South Africa and Brazil - now where are those "deadly" variants coming from again?

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32623-4/fulltext

 

2020 has been a difficult year for all, but has seen 58 vaccines against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) be developed and in clinical trials,
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 with some vaccines reportedly having more than 90% efficacy against COVID-19 in clinical trials. This remarkable achievement is much-needed good news as COVID-19 cases are currently at their highest daily levels globally.
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 New vaccine efficacy results are reported now in The Lancet: investigators of four randomised, controlled trials conducted in the UK, South Africa, and Brazil report pooled results of an interim analysis of safety and efficacy against COVID-19 of the Oxford–AstraZeneca chimpanzee adenovirus vectored vaccine ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AZD1222) in adults aged 18 years and older.
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 This is the first report of efficacy against COVID-19 for a non-profit vaccine aiming for global supply, equity, and commitment to low-income and middle-income countries (LMICs),
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 and as such its publication is very welcomed. After phase 1 results supported a two-dose regimen, the trial protocols were amended where necessary to require two standard doses (SD/SD cohort) of approximately 5 × 1010 viral particles per dose administered 28 days apart, but a subset (LD/SD cohort) in one of the UK trials inadvertently received a half-dose of the vaccine (low dose) as the first dose before a change in dosage quantification methodology; additionally, the protocol amendments enabled other trial participants originally scheduled to receive a single dose to receive a booster more than 28 days after their first dose. Participants randomly received either the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine or control, which was either meningococcal conjugate vaccine (MenACWY) or saline depending on the trial.

 

Interim efficacy results were available and are reported for two of the four ongoing trials (from the UK and Brazil) based on cases occurring within approximately 4 months of follow-up in 11 636 participants, the majority of whom were aged 18–55 years (10 218 [87·8%] participants), white (9625 [82·7%] participants), and female (7045 [60·5%] participants). No COVID-19-related hospital admissions occurred in ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 recipients, whereas ten (two of which were severe) occurred in the control groups. Vaccine efficacy for the prespecified primary analysis (combining dose groups) against the primary endpoint of COVID-19 occurring more than 14 days after the second dose was 70·4% (95·8% CI 54·8 to 80·6; 30 [0·5%] of 5807 participants in the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 group vs 101 [1·7%] of 5829 participants in the control group). Surprisingly, however, efficacy was substantially lower in the SD/SD cohort (62·1% [95% CI 41·0 to 75·7]; 27 [0·6%] of 4440 vs 71 [1·6%] of 4455) than in the LD/SD cohort (90·0% [67·4 to 97·0]; three [0·2%] of 1367 vs 30 [2·2%] of 1374), which remained after accounting for differences in age and time between doses. Efficacy was similar when evaluated starting at 21 days after the first standard dose (192 cases), suggesting there is at least short-term protection with one dose.
 
Although efficacy was lower (58·9% [1·0 to 82·9]) against asymptomatic infection in the LD/SD cohort (and unfortunately only 3·8% [−72·4 to 46·3] in the SD/SD group), the results nonetheless provide some hope that COVID-19 vaccines might be able to interrupt some asymptomatic transmission, although fewer data (69 cases among 6638 participants) were available with this outcome and more data are needed to confirm. Only 1418 (12·1%) of those assessed for efficacy were older than 55 years (none of whom were in the LD/SD cohort), meaning that from the interim analysis of these trials, we cannot yet infer efficacy in older adults, who are the group at greatest risk of severe COVID-19 outcomes.
 
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2 hours ago, SimonTV said:

I was thinking how they have legalised organ harvesting and with the treatment methodology they have going on. 

 

Random Hospital visit -> PCR positive test -> Covid ward -> sedatives -> anti-biotics -> steroid -> more sedatives -> ventilators -> harvest organs -> cremate. 

 

It is a fast track to a winning treatment method.  Only downside for them is that most of the patients are old and their organs are no good for the NHS organ harvesting operations that are going on every day. 

 

I guess it was just a coincidence that the organ harvesting legislation came in just before covid. 

have you read this stuff re:brain dead

 

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7 minutes ago, Darryl Worthington said:

Thank God I got the astrazeneca one yesterday, that was a close call 😱
 

I'm a bit confused by all this.

Are we then thinking the people who get the Phizer one are doomed but the A/Z one you survive but you still get  the infertile side effect? 

Any doctors on this forum that could explain the difference between the two types of jabs would be very much appreciated. 

 

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Just now, oddsnsods said:

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Yes probably asking too much there but you never know. I just thought I would ask for some expert clarification between the two different types of jabs as I thought they were both dangerous. 

 

Is the A/Z one less likely to kill you but it will still give you the infertility side effect is my question. 

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Just now, Made in Wales said:

Yes probably asking too much there but you never know. I just thought I would ask for some expert clarification between the two different types of jabs as I thought they were both dangerous. 

 

Is the A/Z one less likely to kill you but it will still give you the infertility side effect is my question. 

 

 

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

 

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11 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

 

I developed a bad case of whopping cough after my polio shot. Got measles later too. Would I have avoided these illnesses if I had not been vaccinated. Haven't a clue but plenty of suspicions

 

I was inoculated against polio (sugar lump) and not long afterwards, I developed a bad case of measles with pneumonia on top. I spent months in the infectious disease hospital after that. Never developed whooping cough though. 

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3 hours ago, DarianF said:

Did Dolly get paid for this? I'm thinking she enjoyed it so much she did it for nothing! Either way, what a circus this has become. All the freaks are running wild. https://youtu.be/BjfT6H6QUIA

Dolly bunged them $6 million. There's that number again.

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Just wanted some clarification on something I see the other day, supposedly there is a DNR protocol in place during both of the lockdowns we've had. If that is the case does anyone know what sort of figures there are about how many people during the months that would be equivalent to the lockdown months on previous years are resusatated and live. Just thinking that if the DNR is in place it probably would equate to number of extra deaths about.

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23 minutes ago, Made in Wales said:

I'm a bit confused by all this.

Are we then thinking the people who get the Phizer one are doomed but the A/Z one you survive but you still get  the infertile side effect? 

Any doctors on this forum that could explain the difference between the two types of jabs would be very much appreciated. 

 

 

Not quite as clear cut as that. While the Pfizer 'vaccine' looks to be more dangerous, the AstraZeneca one has also been associated with quite a few deaths and injuries.

 

Doctors on the forum? There may be a few DI forumites educated to doctoral level, unlike most 'doctors', who have MBChBs ie a Bachelor level degree 😁

 

Quack, quack! Speaking as someone who has been through the academic sewer, Russell Group of Shite, University of Shite, I tend to think that too much education tends to make you stupider in many areas. Hence the situation we see all around us today.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, FrankVitali said:

Wherever this advert(s) is/are I would love for someone to graffiti over it and cross out science and write "THE PEOPLE"

 

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Correction: Fake Science + Junk Statistics + Media Manipulation + Vested Interests is Winning

 

.. but will come unstuck soon..

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6 hours ago, Sidlittle said:


Come on, Kissinger is a psychopath but that isn’t a real quote of his. 

 

I was thinking, did he really say that?! I wish people didn't make up 'quotes' by these people as it hard to differentiate between real quotes and fake ones. 

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3 hours ago, DarianF said:

Hey guys. I'm convinced now...

 

Dolly Parton sings vaccine version of Jolene before getting her COVID-19 shot: "Dolly Parton sings vaccine version of Jolene before getting her COVID-19 shot - ABC News" https://amp.abc.net.au/article/13211240

 

... If Dolly says it's safe, then that's good enough for me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

If you want to piss yourself laughing. Watch that video! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

Jabbing nine to five, what a way to make a living. 

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