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Runnymead trust was set up after the magna carta was signed, thats meant to protect us from everything thats happening now, but only seems to care immigrants dont get bLAMEd. lol

What a joke.

Magna carta meant to protect BRITISH PEOPLES freedom of speech, right to movement, freedom of religion....not just minorities.

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9 hours ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

 

If people knew the real story of world war two there would be uproar.

William Joyce (Lord Haw-Haw) was hung for revealing that story and Ezra Pound, confined to a mental asylum as an incurable 'antisemite.'

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9 hours ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

And who exactly gave this twerp the power, and the mandate, to decide whether we as a society become enslaved by a fake vaccine? 

 

Oh sorry, it's "a novelty", ho ho ho. Bit of a lark. Something new to play with.

Who even thinks anyone has the power to force a "vaccine" onto the entire population, and we know what the conclusion will be:

Mandatory vaccines 

 

They will have to chop my arm off!!!

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6 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Runnymead trust was set up after the magna carta was signed, thats meant to protect us from everything thats happening now, but only seems to care immigrants dont get bLAMEd. lol

What a joke.

Magna carta meant to protect BRITISH PEOPLES freedom of speech, right to movement, freedom of religion....not just minorities.

They say they are all about equality, but their main preoccupation is racism.

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7 minutes ago, Velma said:

William Joyce (Lord Haw-Haw) was hung for revealing that story and Ezra Pound, confined to a mental asylum as an incurable 'antisemite.'

Hi Velma, do you have any links to this information? I'd like to know more of you could point me in the right direction, I've possibly heard it but just want to check it out. Thanks. 

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11 hours ago, Macnamara said:

Trial by Jury

We said at the beginning that a society governs through its law. The ultimate control is through remedy or punishment. If the people are meant to be in authority through the proper democratic constitution, then what mechanisms do they have to make or remove their country's laws that they, themselves agree to abide by? Are the people automatically bound to be subject to any rules that its government creates? Clearly not - as we've already established. So what is this mechanism that allows the people to create this higher jurisdiction of law?

The ultimate mechanism through which the people can write their own laws is through the Common Law Trial by Jury system. Because, in a proper, full, un-abridged Trial by Jury system (that has now been unlawfully removed from the people), the jury have the right and duty to annul bad government statutes. This is the people being sovereign. See p.67 of Democracy Defined: The Manefesto.

So Common Law is actually the consolidation of the judgements of juries (the people), not, as you will generally be told by people in the legal profession, judgements by judges! Importantly, the people's law (Common Law), is based on principle not outcome. You cannot legislate for motive. (p. 37 of Democracy Defined: The Manefesto - guilt depends on intent or motive). Rules and regulation (legislation) only judges the outcome; but the higher Common Law judges motive and principle - according to human conscience. When ordinary people judge their peers, they do so through their conscience: it is therefore a human judgement by people of the community on the fairness of enforcing potential punishment upon the accused. This is, essentially, the manifestation of Natural Law through human consciousness. 

Furthermore, it is people of the community judging people of the community. If the accused is found guilty, that guilty verdict will have been delivered by fellow community members - his peers or social equals. That further establishes the Natural Law principle that we are all equal before the [natural] law.

Further still, the jury (in a full trial by jury system) has the right and duty to judge on the nature of the punishment. The government will simply carry out or 'execute' the punishment according to the will of the people. That is the role of the executive branch of government.

Trial by Judge is not an impartial tribunal. The judge is an employee of the state and is a member of the judiciary. There is clearly a conflict of interest for the judge, when, on the one hand being required to decide on the justice of a case whilst, simultaneously, running the risk of defying the wishes of his pay-master, the government, by refusing to maintain and enforce its rules.

The Judge is wrongly named the 'judge'. Under proper constitutional common law Trial by Jury, the judge is merely called the 'Convener'. It is the members of the Jury (the Jurors) that are the Judges - as they are judging on all aspects in a court case - without interference.

Specifically, and most importantly, the members of the jury (through full Trial by Jury) have the power to annul bad government statutes (legislation) by applying the not-guilty verdict, if, according to their conscience they decide that it would be unjust for the accused to receive punishment.

Briefly, without going into too much detail on the proper democratic trial by jury, it is this full un-abridged Trial by Jury system (that has now been illegally removed from us) through which the people have the control over the law and the justice system within their country. This is what causes the people to have sovereignty in a truly democratic society.

Democracy has nothing to do with voting in elections. It is not through the election system that the ordinary people have influence over the functioning of their state. It is specifically through the full system of Trial by Jury (now un-lawfully taken from the people) that the people have control over the fairness and justice of laws of their country. That is the key characteristic of a democratic state. The people retaining their sovereignty, at all times - not just at elections, by having direct control over its law when functioning as jurors. Again, the existence of electoral voting in a country does not define that country as democratic - contrary to what most people (even in government) believe.

In a proper system of Trial by Jury, a guilty verdict must be passed unanimously otherwise the accused is automatically considered not-guilty. The defendant is only guilty if each and every member of the jury considers the accused guilty. Under Common Law, it is of greater importance that a good wo/man is not punished wrongly.

Lastly, the jurors make this decision privately and without having to provide explanation. Why? Because that decision is reached through their own conscience and sense of fairness.

WJK - May 2018

https://www.britishconstitutiongroup.com/the-constitution/trial-by-jury

I researched this some in Canada they have never had success using common law and a lot of failures ie people getting arrested,vehicles impounded and in some cases jailed.

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57 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

 

"Dont forget your passport" - Gaslighting us so hard with every post. 🔥🔥🔥

Seems to be like a bombardment in the news past couple of days with these nutzo scare stories.....

 

Whole world has completely lost the plot dude! 

 

And this is all normal to folks now! ah dear....where's my news switch off button......

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43 minutes ago, Jesse007 said:

I researched this some in Canada they have never had success using common law and a lot of failures ie people getting arrested,vehicles impounded and in some cases jailed.

 

That's why it can't be achieved by individuals. It needs MASS non compliance

 

It needs millions of people to not comply with legislation that is not lawful and which causes people harm to themselves and their business and property

 

They can fine millions of people but what do they do if millions of people then don't pay those fines?

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27 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Runnymead trust was set up after the magna carta was signed, thats meant to protect us from everything thats happening now, but only seems to care immigrants dont get bLAMEd. lol

What a joke.

Magna carta meant to protect BRITISH PEOPLES freedom of speech, right to movement, freedom of religion....not just minorities.

 

https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Runnymede_Trust

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1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

That's why it can't be achieved by individuals. It needs MASS non complicance

 

It needs millions of people to not comply with legislation that is not lawful and which causes people harm to themselves and their business and property

 

They can fine millions of people but what do they do if millions of people then don't pay those fines?

The problem with it and direct democracy is most people like George Orwell said will “love their servitude”

were at this stage now the general public begging for more restrictions more jabs and harsh measures for anyone who doesn’t take them at least in a lot of places in Canada uk etc.

it’s seeming like countries that have already gone thro communism etc are a lot more free where I am now in Ukraine your average person,business etc just ignores the rules,the main difference is the police here seem to be more afraid of the citizens.

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1 hour ago, oddsnsods said:

My sister just told me she got jabbered.

She says its harmless.

I tried to warn her.

Gonna cut her off...no time for spacca's in my life anymore.

My Mrs works for the NHS got her jab weeks ago since then we have argued and she won't listen anymore, I tried but it's like taking to a brick wall now and she keeps trying to wind me up by saying 'Oh looks like I will be going on holiday with my mates , going to pub etc as you won't be able to without the Vaxx Passport. I don't care I won't be getting the Vaxx .

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1 hour ago, oddsnsods said:

My sister just told me she got jabbered.

She says its harmless.

I tried to warn her.

Gonna cut her off...no time for spacca's in my life anymore.

 

A few days ago my girlfriend unexpectedly U-turned and told me she's "looking forward to getting the jab asap". 

 

I told her that I'm genuinely concerned about exchanging bodily fluids with someone who's got this untested material in their blood. 

 

She said smarmily "I don't really think that's how vaccines work" 

 

I said "firstly we don't know the effects of this untested vaccine and secondly it's not actually a vaccine"

 

She replied "what do you mean it's not a vaccine of course it is, why are they calling it a vaccine, then?" 

 

I said "it's gene therapy" 

 

She said "what's that?" 

 

I said "you're putting an untested substance in your body and you don't even know what it is?" 

 

She said (and in doing so completely denies the fact it's not a vaccine and ia an untested gene therapy) "oh well I guess we won't be having sex after I get jabbed" 

 

I said "I guess we won't be" 

 

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She's been lost to the cult of compliance and now applies the pejorative that I just "overthink everything". 

 

Obviously I'm heartbroken because I know where this is going (the end of us as a couple fairly soon).

 

I'm already grieving the loss of several friends who are treating me like a demon for not swallowing the covid propaganda whole. 

 

The alternative (as I see it)? 

 

Keeping these people happy and in my life by living a lie and taking the jab. 

 

I'm certainly not doing that - having seen firsthand the serious damage vaccines can cause - so it's going to be a far quieter life for me. 

 

I've come to a painful conclusion that I need to rid myself of nearly everyone I love and start making new friends who are likeminded (I have one so far, and an awake brother). 

 

The reality is that I've already lost these people. They're already gone. They're not really who I thought they were. I'm not like them. I'm going to be relatively alone for a while until I meet some new people who see things as I do.

 

But, I believe it's better that than to sell myself down the river and live a lie.

 

The real tragedy for me is that the people I'm going to be leaving behind are so hopelessly brainwashed that they literally don't understand why I'm walking away from them. That's what really breaks my heart.. that they can't even hear my point of view because their cognitive dissonance won't allow it. 

 

Perhaps, just perhaps, they'll ask themselves why I'm no longer in their lives anymore and it might wake up one or two of them and get them asking better questions. 

 

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2 minutes ago, TFH said:

 

A few days ago my girlfriend unexpectedly U-turned and told me she's "looking forward to getting the jab asap". 

 

I told her that I'm genuinely concerned about exchanging bodily fluids with someone who's got this untested material in their blood. 

 

She said smarmily "I don't really think that's how vaccines work" 

 

I said "firstly we don't know the effects of this untested vaccine and secondly it's not actually a vaccine"

 

She replied "what do you mean it's not a vaccine of course it is, why are they calling it a vaccine, then?" 

 

I said "it's gene therapy" 

 

She said "what's that?" 

 

I said "you're putting an untested substance in your body and you don't even know what it is?" 

 

She said (and in doing so completely denies the fact it's not a vaccine and ia an untested gene therapy) "oh well I guess we won't be having sex after I get jabbed" 

 

I said "I guess we won't be" 

 

-----

 

She's been lost to the cult of compliance and now applies the pejorative that I just "overthink everything". 

 

Obviously I'm heartbroken because I know where this is going (the end of us as a couple fairly soon).

 

I'm already grieving the loss of several friends who are treating me like a demon for not swallowing the covid propaganda whole. 

 

The alternative (as I see it)? 

 

Keeping these people happy and in my life by living a lie and taking the jab. 

 

I'm certainly not doing that - having seen firsthand the serious damage vaccines can cause - so it's going to be a far quieter life for me. 

 

I've come to a painful conclusion that I need to rid myself of nearly everyone I love and start making new friends who are likeminded (I have one so far, and an awake brother). 

 

The reality is that I've already lost these people. They're already gone. They're not really who I thought they were. I'm not like them. I'm going to be relatively alone for a while until I meet some new people who see things as I do.

 

But, I believe it's better that than to sell myself down the river and live a lie.

 

The real tragedy for me is that the people I'm going to be leaving behind are so hopelessly brainwashed that they literally don't understand why I'm walking away from them. That's what really breaks my heart.. that they can't even hear my point of view because their cognitive dissonance won't allow it. 

 

Perhaps, just perhaps, they'll ask themselves why I'm no longer in their lives anymore and it might wake up one or two of them and get them asking better questions. 

 

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Yes, it is really seeming to be dividing people on both sides of the vaccine and covid issue to an us and them mentality perhaps if there is enough anti vaccine people globally we can start our own country somewhere,a place with direct democracy,common law and a charter of rights that’s can’t be stomped all over.

im sure there is a Central American nation that would sell us a million or two acres 

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9 minutes ago, Jesse007 said:

The problem with it and direct democracy is most people like George Orwell said will “love their servitude”

were at this stage now the general public begging for more restrictions more jabs and harsh measures for anyone who doesn’t take them at least in a lot of places in Canada uk etc.

it’s seeming like countries that have already gone thro communism etc are a lot more free where I am now in Ukraine your average person,business etc just ignores the rules,the main difference is the police here seem to be more afraid of the citizens.

 

Its a form of peaceful protest but it needs people to become more aware of it and its historical context. they also need to understand WHY these things are important to assert. For example the point of trial by jury is to hold the law accountable to the conscience of the public

 

If enough people understand that option exists and why it makes sense then they will start to lean towards it and that is when change becomes possible but without awareness it isn't

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1 minute ago, Jesse007 said:

 if there is enough anti vaccine people globally we can start our own country somewhere,a place with direct democracy,common law and a charter of rights that’s can’t be stomped all over.

 

its not going to happen because the conspiracy is a global conspiracy. They are playing for all the marbles. Their vision is to rule over ALL OF HUMANITY. This is why people like bill gates speak of vaccinating ALL 7 billion people on the planet

 

There is nowhere to run to. The only option is standing and holding our ground

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It really is remarkable how I was warning people back in march last year and people either took the piss or said there wont be a vaccine it takes years to come up with one. Yes i agree it does take years. Not one of them turns around and says "actually you know what you were right about this". Not that i want or need validation in fact i was hoping i was wrong. 

 

I have noticed all the idiots that were telling us to stay home last year have become incredibly quiet. 

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Sexpistol50 said:

My Mrs works for the NHS got her jab weeks ago since then we have argued and she won't listen anymore, I tried but it's like taking to a brick wall now and she keeps trying to wind me up by saying 'Oh looks like I will be going on holiday with my mates , going to pub etc as you won't be able to without the Vaxx Passport. I don't care I won't be getting the Vaxx .

 

That sucks mate. I'm not sure how I would deal with that situation. I feel very fortunate that my Mrs at least seems to be against all this rubbish and supportive of my views. Although if/when push comes to shove I know the Mrs will take the vaxx but like you it won't make me change my mind.

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Just now, Sexpistol50 said:

My Mrs works for the NHS got her jab weeks ago since then we have argued and she won't listen anymore, I tried but it's like taking to a brick wall now and she keeps trying to wind me up by saying 'Oh looks like I will be going on holiday with my mates , going to pub etc as you won't be able to without the Vaxx Passport. I don't care I won't be getting the Vaxx .

 

Sounds like shes loving it.

she can see we are moving into a mark of the beast full on police state.. or she still thinks this is about a virus??

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8 hours ago, Orange Alert said:

It's reported a third of the UK population have been vaccinated, 33.4%

 

there's that 33 number again!

 

does this mean as Darian says that when the 33 number is used they are basically just making something up in which case that number wouldn't be founded in actual reality?

 

who knows at this stage?

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