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Next ask yourself how all these presevative chemicals are interacting with the jab. A few years back there was talk of the great uncertainty on the question of how most these preservatives interact together inside the human body. Perhaps for some people the jab is lethal because the chemicals in the vax combined with a combination of preservatives triggers a toxic process. Or perhaps the preservatives have been tailored to react with the jab. Whatever the case may be the degree of preservative saturations in the body could be a factor to consider when thinking about adverse reactions. I certainly don't discount the probability that just the jab itself is causing the results we are being made aware of. Just that the preservative war on our health has taken a heavy toll. Also they jab people that are taking multiple prescription drugs whose interactions with the jab can be unpredictable.

 

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Ugh and this is why I rarely read main stream press releases. 

 

This guys got my back up too. lol

 

To the extent that Western society has a guiding principle in public policy it is utilitarianism. Reduced to a pithy phrase, the philosophy can be summarised as: the greatest good for the greatest number (known as the Hedonistic Calculus by people who study these things).

 

Each action of the sovereign, he advised, should be subject to an analysis of the good and ill that such action would entail. The pleasure or public good of any measure should be weighed against the costs to others, and in what I think is his best line: “If pains must come, let them extend to few.”

Under this world view we should choose options that promote the happiness and wellbeing of the largest number while imposing the harm and misfortune to the least – while balancing the severity of both the wellbeing and the harm imposed.

Around 300 people die on the roads each year. The toll is mitigated by licensing requirements as well as restrictions on speed and alcohol usage. These impose a minor inconvenience on all drivers but prevent great heartache for a few.

 

However, the price of reducing the toll towards zero would require exponentially increasing the costs on the driving public; so we accept the destruction of 300 souls as a burden worth bearing for the greater utility obtained by those of us who survive.

When faced with the prospect of as many as 80,000 fatalities from the pandemic, our government took a standard utilitarian approach. Wellington imposed considerable costs on the entire nation because the level of harm envisioned on those who would have perished and their families was greater than the collective pain of a lockdown.

No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another…” Using this rubric neither I nor the state has a moral right to compel you to remain at home to marginally reduce the risk of me getting sick, although it could be argued that spreading a virus is itself an act of aggression.

This debate is not moot; we are going to see these two approaches to public policy come into conflict in the year ahead. How are we going to handle our self-imposed national quarantine once the vaccination programme has been completed?

 

By the end of this year, give or take, everyone in New Zealand who wants to have received the vaccine will have done so. Two things flow from this.

The first is that the death toll from a Covid outbreak will be vastly reduced from what it is now, but it will not be zero. New strains of the virus and the effectiveness of the vaccines may complicate matters.

The second is that it’s likely many of us will not take the vaccine. No studies have yet been done here but a survey last year in England showed that 22 per cent were inclined to decline the opportunity.

Given our unique circumstances in keeping Covid at bay, the figure may well be higher in our isolated shores.

This poses a range of challenging questions.

If a quarter of the population remains unvaccinated, by choice, what should the public policy be? We can demand vaccination passports for those coming here, but if we drop the managed quarantine process Covid is going to take hold in the unprotected community.

If we take a utilitarian approach we must weigh the inconvenience imposed on travellers against the deaths among the unvaccinated population. Given that we were prepared to put the entire country on a form of house arrest for five weeks to prevent an outbreak in the total population, it seems that travel restrictions on a relatively small number to protect a quarter of the population would be a consistent approach.

But then we come up hard against Jefferson’s perspective. Does the justification in imposing costs on one person to prevent the risk of injury on another still hold if the person seeking protection is deliberately putting themselves at risk?

 

You can make an argument that it is morally right to cause some minor harm to an innocent person, such as someone who has, or who might have, typhoid, because spreading a disease is a form of aggression. Managed quarantine then becomes a form of self-defence.

But by refusing to take the vaccine the person seeking protection is demanding that others pay a price so that they are not required to incur the risk or inconvenience of taking precautions.

If we open the borders, people will die of Covid. These people will be those who elected not to be vaccinated. What should we do?

There is no right answer. It is a subjective assessment driven by the perspective of the individual confronting the issue, but it is one that we are going to have to confront. And soon. It could be as divisive as anything we have collectively faced throughout this pandemic.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300228316/covid19-the-divisive-new-challenges-the-vaccine-will-bring

 

The lies and strawmans are many, but of course its divisiveness and the deliberate gearing up and agitating - the enviable pitting the masses against each other that's the insidious part.

 

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On 2/12/2021 at 10:17 PM, Anti Facts Sir said:

It might have been more plausible to think of that as a possibility if they'd opted to vaccinate the young and the healthy first. If something bad is coming, then get the ones most likely to be needed/protected sorted before everyone else.

 

Why put all this effort into injecting people near(er) the end of their life, other than to accelerate their demise and/or use them as an experiment for something.

 

 

Children have a greater natural immunity to virus. Basically vaccines make no sense at any age, they did old people first because they are running with the excuse that old people are most venerable to dying (oh realy?). Old people under care are an easy target for over zealous vaccine companies because they can easily be forced by the medical staff and many have no way to get away. Children are similarly easy targets because they can be forced at school without their parents knowledge. The vaccine manufactures sale strategy is pump the fear pump the fear as much as possible. Then go for the easy targets, old people and children and then hope that their fear pumping has responsible adults begging for their vaccines. 

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This is because the government has been testing sick old people already in hospital with their fraudulent PCR test and then adding them to the covid case and death statistics. 

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Even if the vaccines were not intentionally harmful (which I believe them to be) nobody knows what the the long term effects would be. Add to that the FACT that scientists are adamant about things often which they later completely change their minds about as new knowledge and evidence is revealed - anyone who castigates anti-vaxxers is pretty thick & worthy of scorn.

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Dominic Raab says 'vaccine passports' COULD be needed to get into pubs or supermarkets in the UK despite the government insisting they will only be used for foreign travel

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9259043/amp/Dominic-Raab-says-vaccine-passports-used-inside-UK.html

 

Imagine my shock...

 

Until people call out the jewish orchestrated NWO, end times religious doomsday prophecy to rule over the world funded by the Rothschild banking cartel and City of London criminals operating out of Israel then this will only ever get worse.

 

Shove your kalergi plan up your fucking arse you sniveling cretins. 

 

Also fuck anyone in alt media who doesn't tell the ENTIRE truth of the situation. I see many people on this thread that have absolutely no idea about the jewish control and that sickens me considering it is the reason we are in this situation to begin with.

 

Either way, hold on to your fucking horses buckaroos it's gonna get wild...

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1 minute ago, FVCK BILLY G4TES said:

Dominic Raab says 'vaccine passports' COULD be needed to get into pubs or supermarkets in the UK despite the government insisting they will only be used for foreign travel

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9259043/amp/Dominic-Raab-says-vaccine-passports-used-inside-UK.html

 

Imagine my shock...

 

Until people call out the jewish orchestrated NWO, end times religious doomsday prophecy to rule over the world funded by the Rothschild banking cartel and City of London criminals then this will only ever get worse.

 

Is this like handcocks 10 year jail term for not following quarantine laws statement? They are just talking the biggest load of bullshit to scare people. None of these things are yet to be made laws, as far as I am aware. I know they have some bullshit over zealous quarantine powers through the corona virus act but I don't think they have done anything on vaccine passports preventing people from going in to so called "essential shops". 

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1 minute ago, SimonTV said:

 

Is this like handcocks 10 year jail term for not following quarantine laws statement? They are just talking the biggest load of bullshit to scare people. None of these things are yet to be made laws, as far as I am aware. I know they have some bullshit over zealous quarantine powers through the corona virus act but I don't think they have done anything on vaccine passports preventing people from going in to so called "essential shops". 

They are scheming for it behind the scenes don't you worry

 

You will become a leper in the jewish messianic era to come if you are not down with the communist/bolshevik revolution.

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2 hours ago, FVCK BILLY G4TES said:

Dominic Raab says 'vaccine passports' COULD be needed to get into pubs or supermarkets in the UK despite the government insisting they will only be used for foreign travel

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9259043/amp/Dominic-Raab-says-vaccine-passports-used-inside-UK.html

 

Imagine my shock...

 

Until people call out the jewish orchestrated NWO, end times religious doomsday prophecy to rule over the world funded by the Rothschild banking cartel and City of London criminals then this will only ever get worse.

Imagine my shock INDEED...🥴

 

The UKs First Secretary of State openly muses "SUPERMARKET VAX PASSPORTS".... no it's just dangerous misinformation and baseless conspiracy theorist talk...go back to being in fear of the flu and take the jab!

 

It could be just a balloon trial to make the DailyFail believers succumb faster to real disease caused by even more fear and stress. And make the other half angry and snap. Wouldn't both of those be convenient.

 

Although it is all part of The Plan, isn't it. Even if we, here,  feign belief that "the people would fight back against such tyranny" - We're beyond cynical to entertain such fantasies at this late stage.

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2 hours ago, Basket Case said:

 

" We Don't Debate with Anti-Vaxxers Whether They're Right Or Wrong", Says BBC

 

 

Rather than teaching our children how to think the BBC probably view the current  problems with extended school closures as an opportunity to indoctrinate them with their one sided view of the world.

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23 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

Imagine my shock INDEED...🥴

 

The UKs First Secretary of State openly muses "SUPERMARKET VAX PASSPORTS".... no it's just dangerous misinformation and baseless conspiracy theorist talk...go back to being in fear of the flu and take the jab!

 

It could be just a balloon trial to make the DailyFail believers succumb faster to real disease caused by even more fear and stress. And make the other half angry and snap. Wouldn't both of those be convenient.

 

Although it is all part of The Plan, isn't it. Even if we, here,  feign belief that "the people would fight back against such tyranny" - We're beyond cynical to entertain such fantasies at this late stage.

 

Supermarkets are hot beds of infection and should be closed down permanently and completely.

 

Then people can order online direct from the suppliers.

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2 hours ago, skitzorat said:

NZ is not helped by this highly respected woke ex news presenter, Alison Mau, and her hideous article I just read. - I think she's originally Australian actually.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300228845/the-messy-collision-of-vaccine-hope-and-talkback-misinformation

 

 

Whilst one could argue NZ due to it's isolation as a special case the article reads very much like someone has lined up all the msm guff (including the assumption that mathematicians can model anything in the real world) and then snorted it all down in one go.

 

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