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1 hour ago, Ed8 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong mike, but it's impossible to actually separate any virus from an infected cell membrane, so in that sense it's not possible to actually isolate a virus and view it under a microscope. Covid-19 is no different.

I don't think denying it's existence is a good line of argument to take. Evidently, contagious virus's do exist - how else do you explain HIV spreading among gay guys who had sex with each other? 

I think HIV was discussed earlier on this thread. And the conclusion was like Cov-Sars-2 there is no evidence for its existence. Also the PCR test is used to identify HIV in a person? And Fauci was one of the main drivers into the investigation into HIV in the 1980s.

 

These points were brought up earlier.

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1 hour ago, Shining-one said:

Found an ally yesterday. She works in a shop and told me she would refuse a vaccine. I asked what she would do if her job depended upon it and she says she'd have to finish. Shrugged it off.
I keep thinking how much worse AIDS was and how calm people were. I think John Inman died of it and Kendo Nagasaki's manager. AIDS really was a killer but there was no hysteria at the time. This virus is a risk to people with serious comorbid health issues and myself I have no sense of alarm.

In all fairness there was an underlying current regarding those infected. They were viewed as lepers. People kept their distance and burned bridges. Even those uninfected that were part of the gay culture were approached cautiously. I have personally witnessed people pulling their hand away as a gay corporate type approached to shake hands. The press played around with it enough to fuel the flames but besides that it was like people pretended they were unaware until in close proximity to the danger.

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Seniors Who Already Beat COVID-19 Are Dying After Taking The Vaccine

by Kelen McBreen

 

Eight senior citizens in two American states died soon after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine, according to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.

The Health and Human Services tracker for adverse reactions to the COVID vaccine reveals four elderly people in Kentucky died on the same day of their vaccination, on December 30th, 2020.

 

Three of the four Kentuckians had already defeated COVID-19.

Perhaps vulnerable people who already beat the virus should not be forced to take the experimental jab.

Citing VAERS reports, The Epoch Times writes, “The Kentucky deaths occurred on Dec. 30 after vaccinations with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. An ill 88-year-old woman who was ’14 + days post covid’ was given the Pfizer-BioNTech shot while she was ‘unresponsive in [her] room.’ She died within an hour and a half (914961-1). An 88-year-old who was ’15 days post covid’ got the shot, was monitored for 15 minutes afterward, and passed away within 90 minutes (914994-1). A third report says an 88-year-old woman who was ’14 + days post covid’ vomited four minutes after receiving her shot, became short of breath, and passed away that night (915562-1). And an 85-year-old woman vaccinated at 5 p.m. was ‘found unresponsive’ less than two hours later and died shortly after (915682-1).”

Meanwhile, in Arkansas, four seniors died at a long term care facility roughly one week after their vaccination.

All four of the deceased tested positive for COVID-19 after their vaccinations.

Will they be added to the list of “COVID deaths,” or will the medical establishment admit the vaccine could have given them a strengthened version of the virus.

 

In fact, one potential “adverse reaction” to the vaccine is getting COVID-19.

Appearing on Infowars’ War Room, vaccine expert Del Bigtree explained how the animal testing done on the rushed COVID vaccines revealed a possibility that the injection could create a “vaccine-enhanced disease.”

“This is immune enhancement I’m talking about, a deadly problem they’ve been seeing in all the animal trials,” Bigtree said.

 

Reading from an FDA document on the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine, Bigtree added, “Available data do not indicate a risk of vaccine-enhanced disease, and conversely suggest effectiveness against severe disease within the available follow-up period. However, risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies that could be conducted following authorization and/or licensure.


 

 

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8 minutes ago, mike hunt said:

I think HIV was discussed earlier on this thread. And the conclusion was like Cov-Sars-2 there is no evidence for its existence. Also the PCR test is used to identify HIV in a person? And Fauci was one of the main drivers into the investigation into HIV in the 1980s.

 

These points were brought up earlier.

We suspect that covid was just the rebranding of the seasonal flu but AIDS did cause an immune response failure. Like you I am skeptical that it was a naturally occurring thing. Do you have an idea what the agent killing those people was? I for one still dont know.

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6 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

We suspect that covid was just the rebranding of the seasonal flu but AIDS did cause an immune response failure. Like you I am skeptical that it was a naturally occurring thing. Do you have an idea what the agent killing those people was? I for one still dont know.

 

I wonder how it all ties in with Gulf War Syndrome. No one seems to talk about this any more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_syndrome

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10 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

We suspect that covid was just the rebranding of the seasonal flu but AIDS did cause an immune response failure. Like you I am skeptical that it was a naturally occurring thing. Do you have an idea what the agent killing those people was? I for one still dont know.

I think they are hiding lots of stuff from us. The nature of viruses is just another to add to the list.

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1 minute ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

I do but hardly anyone listens. It all ties in if you ask me. 

 

Make a separate thread on this topic if you like. I would follow it immediately. Any info you have, I'd love to see. Even if it's just you and I, better than no one lol.

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1 minute ago, mike hunt said:

I think they are hiding lots of stuff from us. The nature of viruses is just another to add to the list.

What is AIDS? Here is my conspiracy "theory" (yes the can be theories sometimes 😄) The gays were targetted because they are shunned at that time. Making them great test subjects. Getting the gays into the doctor's office was not so hard given their lifestyles were excessive. Multiple partners, poppers, bad diet. Anyways once in the office a bit of prognostic fraud opens a doorway to the blood stream or a regimen of pills is started to further break down the already depleted patient. Then when they have venous access the experimenting begins. The results are carefully tabulated by pharma research. Pretty far out there, eh? 😁

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37 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

a normie can rationalise that away easily

 

They'll just say that they are using different vaccines as a belt and braces approach to try and find the best way to fight the deadly virus!

 

In the normies mind ALL the injections work so as far as they are concerned they don't care which one they get. This is because in the normie mind there have been so many scientists involved around the world and so many doctors and so many politicians and other assorted experts involved that the injections must be the most amazing and cutting edge technology, After all, the normie reasons, how could that many people be wrong?

Agree that's probably how they'd rationalise it. Given that a lot of them are materialistic and narcissistic though don't you think it would make them resentful if they felt they had been given an inferior quality vaccine to someone else? We've seen many people posting to social media that they have had the vax, bragging to their followers like they would if they'd just bought a new car. What does it do for their ego if said car breaks down and they end up getting a taxi home?

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8 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

I do but hardly anyone listens. It all ties in if you ask me. 

Yeah forgot about that, all rather suspicious and was swept under the carpet. British troops forced to take an injection to protect against something that ultimately didn't exist. 

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4 minutes ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

What is AIDS? Here is my conspiracy "theory" (yes the can be theories sometimes 😄) The gays were targetted because they are shunned at that time. Making them great test subjects. Getting the gays into the doctor's office was not so hard given their lifestyles were excessive. Multiple partners, poppers, bad diet. Anyways once in the office a bit of prognostic fraud opens a doorway to the blood stream or a regimen of pills is started to further break down the already depleted patient. Then when they have venous access the experimenting begins. The results are carefully tabulated by pharma research. Pretty far out there, eh? 😁

 

Definitely plausible, although I don't think it would be done via standard GP consultations. More likely in special trials with big pharma researchers, yeah? Or do you think they duped the GP's? I do have my issues with GP's, however, I would say most wouldn't do something like that with evil intent. Normally they are just used as useful idiots. The big pharma doctors and researchers though, that's a different story. Many of them are pure evil.

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1 minute ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

What I have is not compelling it is mainly circumstantial. Nothing with strong enough memes yet for my part.

 

I wouldn't care. I like a good hypothesis. Some of the greatest science has begun with speculation and built from there.

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