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4 minutes ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

Just in case anyone's interested, Katie Price's poor son, Harvey, has had the injection. I scan the red tops every now and again and she seems to be on the Murdoch payroll because every day, there is a story about her. Who knew there was so much interest in her?

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/13966990/katie-price-harvey-covid-vaccine/

 

They use her and her son to push for more censorship and to try and take away online anonymity. Nothing more than political tools.

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5 hours ago, Clare Wise said:

Because once we are exposed to any virus anywhere that isn't actually fatal our bodies remain in a state of potential preparedness should we encounter that (or a similar) virus again.  Living beings are exposed all the time to evolving and new viron pathogens, living in a sea of them.  Threat is often cyclic, one year it's bad then for several not too much of a risk for any individual. For example if you get a bad flu say in 2015, in 2016 when a new variant comes around your immune system recognizes this as sufficiently similar to respond immediately and effectively and adapts to this new variant, and you may well have no symptoms this time or mild ones.  This continues year on year.  Sometimes a variant is something your body struggles with depending on origin or strain and you will again have a nastier dose, if you didn't get any of these flus, say for 20 years, odds are the one you got on the 21st year would kill you because your body's immune system wouldn't have been primed sufficiently to defeat it, everyday exposure matters for a healthy immune system.  You don't have to isolate based on these pcr tests, even their inventor urged caution; you cannot isolate anything from them, all you are picking up is a mass of viral genetic dna from all the viruses present in a body.  As for c19 you may be able to claim that because this or that is present that a person has this or that, but it is phenomenally hit and miss!  There is a virus, that I do believe, originating from Wuhan (natural or biolab?  I have no idea, nothing would surprise me anymore!).  A virus, left to it's own course, eventually infects the majority of humanity (and all other mammals actually, which is even more important in nature) and in a year or few, most will have had it and developed at least some level of immunity.  Sadly some will die, as they do with all flu/SARS type viruses, the vaccines though, the mRNA type, that's a real wild card. Not a clue how well they will pan out.  Protection from c19 v risks of vaccines, as yet unknown longer term. Until there is far more DATA, personally, I'd say - avoid!  Each to their own.

Just to be clear you are going to take the Astra Zeneca vaccine so you can travel?

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Ten residents at a Fife care home have tragically died after testing positive for coronavirus.

A cluster of cases has been identified at Mossview Care Home in Lochgelly which has resulted in a further 25 residents catching Covid-19. 

 

Health chiefs have confirmed that a further 43 staff members have also been confirmed as having caught the killer bug.

 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ten-dead-scots-care-home-23451915

 

OK vaccinations must have taken place here?

Not sure how it would be possible to find out.

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4 hours ago, Orange Alert said:

 

Is it legal to refuse travel for those who have not been vaccinated, I expect governments can.  We now live in a blatant dictatorship and there are no legal protections set in stone or remedies in a dictatorship.  Saga Cruises, for example, has said it will require all passengers to be fully vaccinated atleast 14 days prior to sailing and there will be no exceptions, even those who cannot take the vaccine on medical grounds.  In Europe, Greece and Spain are front running vaccine passports, not to mention the UK's inital steps to such a system, in my opinion there will be a small and final window of opportunity this Summer to holiday outside the UK without the vaccine.    However, to take a holiday abroad could be bureaucratic and with possible costly complications.  Pre and post arrival COVID tests could be required this Summer, with the worse case scenario of testing positive in a foreign country and being unable to leave until you have had a negative test.

 

I really appreciate your reply and I can understand you feeling pissed off with what has happened over the last year and now with your wife taking the vaccine. You said, your wife had to take the vaccine because of work, if I can ask, is it because she works in the prioritised care sector?  How much pressure was applied to take the vaccine? There are many other people who are also pissed off, not just those of the David Icke Appreciation Society, with the forced imprisonment and physical activites & socialising being stripped away.  Your vigilance in monitoring your wife's health since her taking the vaccine is a credit to you.

 

Yes, being treated like a criminal when going on holiday, which has been very much so since 9/11 and increases as every year passes.

 

I wish you the very best!

 

 

 

Many thanks for your best wishes , my wife works in a hospital, she got the vaccine because for some reason she thinks she is at risk of catching Covid and the other staff members have had the jab, I tried to convince her that is dangerous and to avoid it, showed her videos of David Icke , Max Igan and Richard D Hall but she went away and got the jab which is really sad and disappointing as I feel I wasted my time and she didn't listen to me, she got the Pfizer RNA vaccine , her mother and father have also just been vaccinated, right now I really feel down as I feel I'm living in another reality and it's gonna get worse , lockdowns and vaccines every year forever , talking about holidays I have a feeling that UK holidays will be just as difficult, no doubt Hotels and Caravan parks will probably only allow people who have been vaccinated, the government are blackmailing people , no jab , no holidays , the people I know who had the jab say they feel fine but I just don't trust the government are they giving a placebo vaccine just now ?, as they don't want too many deaths as it would put people off getting the jab, or will it take years before the side effects rear it's ugly head. I will let you know how my wife is over the next week or two .

 

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1 hour ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

They use her and her son to push for more censorship and to try and take away online anonymity. Nothing more than political tools.

Harvey is oblivious. He's being paraded around like a circus act just to keep his mother in the news that she so desperately craves. I can't imagine anyone would be influenced by Katie Price except perhaps those who seek the lifestyle of a shallow celebrity.

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Just now, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

Harvey is oblivious.

 

Agreed.

 

Just now, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

I can't imagine anyone would be influenced by Katie Price except perhaps those who seek the lifestyle of a shallow celebrity.

 

Well some folks must be.

 

PRICE IS RIGHT Victory for Katie Price as MPs declare spreading online hate on social media MUST be made illegal after disabled son Harvey’s bullying hell

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8249339/katie-prince-online-bullying-harvey-law-parliamentary-committee/

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1 minute ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

Harvey is oblivious. He's being paraded around like a circus act just to keep his mother in the news that she so desperately craves. I can't imagine anyone would be influenced by Katie Price except perhaps those who seek the lifestyle of a shallow celebrity.

 

Unfortunately, many women look up to her as some kind of role model or heroine.  I can't believe there are young girls that aspire to be her . She's nothing but a vacuous trollop.

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5 hours ago, Clare Wise said:

I'm not an immunologist Mac, I'm a wildlife photographer and an astronomer.  I really don't know enough about the t-cell and other immunity factors at work here.  All I know from my own travels (into jungles, out into deserts, savannah plains and sometimes shit-filled cities full of humans and their trash (the most dangerous places of all by far), my body's own immune system has coped.  As for vaxes I've had typhoid (thank god, as I had a reaction to that and was ill for a couple of days with the 'disease') but when faced with it out in the field I remained immune.  It swept though the area, infecting loads of people, i would have died, I'm sure of that.  I've had diptheria and cholera vaxes (similar risks out in the wild, killers - could floor me!), heps a/b.  Yellow fever (not sure about the effectiveness of that vax but the illness is a f....ker!  Polio, Mumps, Measels and Rubella (separately in the early 70s, wouldn't chance them with a child all at the same time MMR, I think separately is safer, less trauma for the child, say a month apart at least (no expert though).  All tried and tested more or less.  New zoonotics are very different kettles of virus! C19 is a nasty especially if a person is weak, has underlying conditions, is very old (although fit oldsters I know have had it and are now well). worst of all, post surgery with a person's immune system under post operative strain, probably a killer, especially with transplant surgery. (No expert though).  Vax or not to vax, that is the question many now face.  My (non professional opinion):   The dangers of the viral vector vaxes should be minimal this is fairly trusted technology. The virus is disabled /you won't catch that and the pathogen eg c19, injected into you, won't replicate itself.  These vaxes do not change a person's DNA, they don't get anywhere near breaching the cell's nucleus. worst outcome, they don't work at all. Hence the 60/70 percent protection, better than nothing I guess. Oxford Zeneca, not a bad bet.  I will have  this if it is mandatory for a vax passport to travel abroad c. 2022.  We had to cancel a trip to Sri Lanka's wildlife parks 3 times so far'.  Providing that by this time next year (now booked for October 2022) no people have had significant bad reactions of died from the Oxford type.   As for the mRNA, nope, too risky, you don't try to kill a mouse with a machine gun, risks (to me, others must make up their own minds) of gun, way worse than risk of (c19 variant) mouse!  Sorry I can't explain the t4 cell aspects, not a clue. Thank you for your interest and support.  Appreciated, stay safe. x

 

 

How did those bush men and aboriginal people ever survive without the vaccine?

Thank God for modern science or else they might all be dead now.......

 

I'm not jumping on the band wagon here but I smell bullshit in this post!

 

STAY SANE X.

 

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4 hours ago, pete675 said:

Also note that one of the deepest truths of esoteric philosophy is that the earth is a prison planet already with a pre-existing 'control grid'. Isolated from the rest of the real universe and to use C.S. Lewis's phrase - 'under the domination of the black archon'. 

 

Due to the rise in human consciousness, has the original 'control grid' begun to break down, making a new one necessary?

 

hunter gatherers weren't under the control of the cabal

 

as society started to become more organised in pockets the vast majority of humanity was still not under their direct control

 

All globalistion is, is the expansion of the cabals control to absorb more and more pockets of humanity into enslavement under the cabal

 

The technocratic control grid is simply the cabal employing their cutting edge technology to achieve what they have always been working towards: total control over every man, woman and child on the planet

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6 hours ago, Orange Alert said:

 Even if one has complete blind faith in the vaccine, you have to also ignore the tyrannical conduct and the severe damage done by all those involved.

 

they're NOT good people!

 

Bill gates is not a kind hearted philanthropist, he is a stone cold psychopath hellbent on population reduction and control

 

he's not motivated by a desire to make peoples lives better, he is motivated by a desire to cull them

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6 hours ago, Clare Wise said:

stay safe. x

 

I hope you also stay safe from this deadly COVID we are constantly told about, when you pop outside, by wearing a full hazmat suit with a compressed air supply, not to mention undertaking a decontamination shower before going back indoors, or do just you wear a 50p mask made in a Chinese sweatshop? 

 

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6 hours ago, Clare Wise said:

I'm not an immunologist Mac, I'm a wildlife photographer and an astronomer.  I really don't know enough about the t-cell and other immunity factors at work here. 

 

What is being found with people who get vaccinated for example for measles is that later on when they donate blood and the blood is analysed the antibodies have gone

 

So the first thing is that the antibodies don't last. This means that unlike actually contracting a disease where your body builds lifelong immunity a vaccine does not provide lifelong immunity

 

T cells are being found to be more effective than antibodies.

 

6 hours ago, Clare Wise said:

All I know from my own travels (into jungles, out into deserts, savannah plains and sometimes shit-filled cities full of humans and their trash (the most dangerous places of all by far), my body's own immune system has coped.  As for vaxes I've had typhoid (thank god, as I had a reaction to that and was ill for a couple of days with the 'disease') but when faced with it out in the field I remained immune.  It swept though the area, infecting loads of people, i would have died, I'm sure of that. 

 

so you were eating or drinking the food or water contaminated with the feces of an infected person but didn't get infected?

 

6 hours ago, Clare Wise said:

I've had diptheria and cholera vaxes (similar risks out in the wild, killers - could floor me!), heps a/b.  Yellow fever (not sure about the effectiveness of that vax but the illness is a f....ker!  Polio, Mumps, Measels and Rubella (separately in the early 70s, wouldn't chance them with a child all at the same time MMR, I think separately is safer, less trauma for the child, say a month apart at least (no expert though).  All tried and tested more or less.

 

well they are tested to see if they produce antibodies but they are not tested to see what other damage they cause the problem. So for example if you are injected to ward off polio and instead you develop Guillain–Barré syndrome that then affects you for the rest of your life, then was the medical intervention a success?

 

Lets say you vaccinate your child against mumps and they develop asthma as an autoimmune response the vaccine or they develop ear infections or they become autistic, was that then a successful medical intervention?

 

The vaccine companies won't care though because they aren't looking for that. They are only looking for whether or not their vaccine created antibodies.

 

So if you had a sore hand because you had burned it in a fire and i then chopped your hand off to remove the source of the pain would that be a successful medical intervention?

 

6 hours ago, Clare Wise said:

New zoonotics are very different kettles of virus! C19 is a nasty especially if a person is weak, has underlying conditions, is very old (although fit oldsters I know have had it and are now well). worst of all, post surgery with a person's immune system under post operative strain, probably a killer, especially with transplant surgery. (No expert though).

 

Its been found that the flu vaccine causes 'immune enhancement' and studies have shown those that have had the injection develop more or certain health problems than those that don't. There have been large roll outs of flu vaccines in the areas that have been hard hit by 'covid' symptoms especially among the elderly so how sure are we that the symptoms being termed 'covid' aren't actually caused by the flu vaccine?

 

As this year has now seen the biggest roll out of flu vaccine ever, can we expect a resultant wave of health problems? I would say YES and will those problems then be rolled up under the label of 'covid' and blamed on that? You can bet your ass they will

 

6 hours ago, Clare Wise said:

Vax or not to vax, that is the question many now face.  My (non professional opinion):   The dangers of the viral vector vaxes should be minimal this is fairly trusted technology. The virus is disabled /you won't catch that and the pathogen eg c19, injected into you, won't replicate itself.  These vaxes do not change a person's DNA, they don't get anywhere near breaching the cell's nucleus. worst outcome, they don't work at all. Hence the 60/70 percent protection, better than nothing I guess. Oxford Zeneca, not a bad bet.  I will have  this if it is mandatory for a vax passport to travel abroad c. 2022.  We had to cancel a trip to Sri Lanka's wildlife parks 3 times so far'.  Providing that by this time next year (now booked for October 2022) no people have had significant bad reactions of died from the Oxford type.   As for the mRNA, nope, too risky, you don't try to kill a mouse with a machine gun, risks (to me, others must make up their own minds) of gun, way worse than risk of (c19 variant) mouse!  Sorry I can't explain the t4 cell aspects, not a clue. Thank you for your interest and support.  Appreciated, stay safe. x

 

Research into mRNA has been carried out in the past and when the test subjects came into contact with the wild virus they died. That is the danger that the scientist who worked in that technique for sars cov 1 Dr Hotez has warned about in a public testimony. It has also been raised by Dr Yeadon who was the chief scientist at pfizer

 

But these voices are not being allowed a platform in the corporate media who have been bought off by bill gates

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15 hours ago, Ziggy Sawdust said:

My mother lived to be 90 and her diet was packed with eggs, bacon, sausages, belly pork, breast of lamb, cold meats, beef and plenty of sweets and ice cream.....hated vegetables and cereals........Smoked until she was 65 and drank beer and wine.

 

heart problems actually INCREASED when people switched from butter to margerine

 

they switched because corporate adverts in the television convinced them that margerine was a healthier alternative and many people still believe that

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Hmmm so going for my daily walk today. Went past the vaccine center. Usually no one in there. Today it was rammed packed. Saw one poor old bugger not really with it, being escorted out after getting his jab, didn't look like he knew what was going on. Reminded me of my dad in his last days. This poor sod could well be dead by next week. Very upsetting...

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4 hours ago, SimonTV said:

 

I send them videos and I didn't think they were watching, so I would ask them a question about it and easily find out they didn't watch it. If they don't want to watch it, then there is no chance they are ever going to change their mind on the topic. My sister is like a professional feminist and believes everything the government/media says and even supports Biden and AOC. Trying to explain to her the dangers of vaccines is like speaking to a brick wall. She loves to go on these rants about how I am not considering all the information and only listening to one side. I accused her of projecting and then she always falls back on to anecdotal evidence. She said statistics are not facts and that anecdotal evidence is the most superior type of evidence. Impossible to speak to someone like that but I try. 

My family will listen and did seem to be responding over last year. Id send videos on the Whatsapp making the point i wasnt expecting or needing a reply. It was a way to put the other side across after the latest crap the govt were coming out with, without interrupting the happy clappy bull shit people usually send.

       It mayve been you who asked the question earlier are people increasingly finding it harder to wake people up. Well its just like theyve forgotten everything we talked about and worse still are adopting a kind placating tolerance towards me which is fucking annoying. I have pretty much given up, will not volunteer anything.

      I think its not just the constant repetition in the media, its things like the Uk Eu argument about vaccine supplies (must admit havent really followed it) or Israel being criticised for not supplying them to Palestinians that make the lazy mind think they must be desirable. 

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2 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

You look at his wifes family background too.

 

Beckham's great-great-great-grandfather was German artist and revolutionary Carl Heinrich Pfänder [de] and great-great granduncle was Minnesota politician William Pfaender.[12][13]

 

In London in 1845 Pfänder took part in meetings of the German Workers' Education Association and was soon a member of the League of the Just , to whose leadership committee he belonged in 1847 when Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels joined the union and promoted the transformation to the League of Communists . From April 1848 Pfänder headed the London Communist League together with Heinrich Bauer and Johann Georg Eccarius , and in August of the same year he and Bauer also became a trustee of the workers' education association.

 

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Heinrich_Pf%C3%A4nder

 

 

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