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Below is an excellent comment I found under one of the recent Off-guardian articles . I also suggest going through the second article in particular . 

 

Pay particular attention to the causes of death analysis . The difference in the numbers relating to causes of death in December 2020 compared to the 5yr average is staggering and frankly not plausible. 

 

Analysis of 2020 mortality numbers 


I will open up the discussion by drawing from two papers that analyzed the 2020 mortality rates in the UK. The first one listed is quite short with the second article much longer. Both use data from the ONS and illustrate that however we might want to categorize “Covid” there simply was not a viral pandemic in 2020 and that the illusion conjured was a matter of fraud. 

 

The first reason I think this to be important is that the data is clear (unlike CDC data in the US) and is readily accessible to any reader. 

 

The second reason these pieces are important is that the results from these analyses can be extrapolated to virtually all other Western nations as similar/or the very same policies were put in place that resulted in the described distortions found in these articles.

This gives us an easy-to-understand template for how the “Covid” mortality figures here in the United States were conjured.

 

Here are the two articles :

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/01/30/investigation-100k-covid-deaths/

 

https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2021/01/27/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-manufacturing-the-crisis/

 

My Summary- Highlighting what I believe to be the most salient points from the first piece as we look towards a similar assessment for the United States:

 

– Comparing the death rate of 2020 with previous 20 years. 2020 rate was 1,037/100,000 in the UK. Highest in 10 years but not the highest in the last 20 years. What happened?

 

2008 had a death rate of 1,084/100,000

2005 had 1,137/100,000. Every year prior to 2009 had a higher death rate that 2020;

– UK Lockdown was towards end of March in 2020;

– At home deaths began to escalate in April.  5 year avg. for deaths in April previous to 2020 was 9,384. In April 2020 there were 16,909 at home deaths; 

– 5 year average for deaths in care homes in April was 8,691. In April 2020 there were 26,541 deaths that occurred in care homes. Astronomical increase;

– Hospital data for April 2017- 2020: 

April-June 2017– 91,724 beds occupied= 89% occupancy rate;

April-June 2018– 91,056 beds occupied= 90% occupancy rate;

April-June 2019– 91,730 beds occupied= 90% occupancy rate;

April-June 2020 58,005 beds occupied= 62% occupancy rate.

2018 – April – 1,984,369 attended A&E (Ambulance and Emergency) 

2019 – April – 2,112,165 attended A&E

2020 – April – 916,581 attended A&E


Important Notes:

30% less hospital beds occupied in April – June 2020 compared with previous 3 years;

A&E in April 2020 was 57% down from 2019.

These numbers explain the high numbers of at home deaths.

Increase in deaths occurring at home and in care homes in April 2020 due to not being treated for illnesses in hospital. No acute care in private homes or care homes.

 

CAUSE OF DEATHS USING DECEMBER 2020 AS EXAMPLE:

– Leading cause of death was stated as “Covid-19 deaths”= 10,973 deaths for December 2020;

– 2nd leading cause of death in December 2020- Dementia and Alzheimer’s= 5281 deaths; 

Previous 5 year average for December= 28,198 deaths due to Dementia and Alzheimer’s;

This is a 500%+ alteration from previous 5 years. A statistical impossibility.

– Heart disease deaths in December 2020= 4,635

December 5 year average, 21,997

This represents a near 500% statistical deviation from previous 5 year average- also not possible.

– Chronic lower respiratory disease deaths December 2020= 1,790 

December 5 year average, 13,384. 

This represents about a 700% detour from the 5 year average. Not possible.

– Influenza and pneumonia deaths December 2020, 1,190 

December 5 year average= 11,295.

This represents about a 1000% deviation from the 5 year average. What is left to say?

 

And so on…. tables are included with the first article.

It seems it would take quite a monumental argument to prove that these death certificates have not been manipulated. It would take an even grander argument to illustrate that the NHS was under pressure at any time as during the height of the “pandemic” at home deaths soared to record heights and hospital and emergency services sunk to all-time lows. 

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11 hours ago, Captainlove said:

Your all forgetting one very important thing. The elites may think that a techno world will be great and advanced. 

But most  people still have medieval minds and it will be a full on power struggle at the top. Mark my words i doubt gates or claus schwab will be in charge for long,before a more powerful thing overthrows them.And this will repeat and repeat until total failure of there NWO.

Good point, but I don't think they are in charge now.  They are mouthpieces.  And badly chosen ones.  The ones who will really make it are the ones who manipulate and subjugate without anyone really realising until it's too late.

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Just in case anyone's interested, Katie Price's poor son, Harvey, has had the injection. I scan the red tops every now and again and she seems to be on the Murdoch payroll because every day, there is a story about her. Who knew there was so much interest in her?

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/13966990/katie-price-harvey-covid-vaccine/

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4 minutes ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

Just in case anyone's interested, Katie Price's poor son, Harvey, has had the injection. I scan the red tops every now and again and she seems to be on the Murdoch payroll because every day, there is a story about her. Who knew there was so much interest in her?

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/13966990/katie-price-harvey-covid-vaccine/

 

They use her and her son to push for more censorship and to try and take away online anonymity. Nothing more than political tools.

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5 hours ago, Clare Wise said:

Because once we are exposed to any virus anywhere that isn't actually fatal our bodies remain in a state of potential preparedness should we encounter that (or a similar) virus again.  Living beings are exposed all the time to evolving and new viron pathogens, living in a sea of them.  Threat is often cyclic, one year it's bad then for several not too much of a risk for any individual. For example if you get a bad flu say in 2015, in 2016 when a new variant comes around your immune system recognizes this as sufficiently similar to respond immediately and effectively and adapts to this new variant, and you may well have no symptoms this time or mild ones.  This continues year on year.  Sometimes a variant is something your body struggles with depending on origin or strain and you will again have a nastier dose, if you didn't get any of these flus, say for 20 years, odds are the one you got on the 21st year would kill you because your body's immune system wouldn't have been primed sufficiently to defeat it, everyday exposure matters for a healthy immune system.  You don't have to isolate based on these pcr tests, even their inventor urged caution; you cannot isolate anything from them, all you are picking up is a mass of viral genetic dna from all the viruses present in a body.  As for c19 you may be able to claim that because this or that is present that a person has this or that, but it is phenomenally hit and miss!  There is a virus, that I do believe, originating from Wuhan (natural or biolab?  I have no idea, nothing would surprise me anymore!).  A virus, left to it's own course, eventually infects the majority of humanity (and all other mammals actually, which is even more important in nature) and in a year or few, most will have had it and developed at least some level of immunity.  Sadly some will die, as they do with all flu/SARS type viruses, the vaccines though, the mRNA type, that's a real wild card. Not a clue how well they will pan out.  Protection from c19 v risks of vaccines, as yet unknown longer term. Until there is far more DATA, personally, I'd say - avoid!  Each to their own.

Just to be clear you are going to take the Astra Zeneca vaccine so you can travel?

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Ten residents at a Fife care home have tragically died after testing positive for coronavirus.

A cluster of cases has been identified at Mossview Care Home in Lochgelly which has resulted in a further 25 residents catching Covid-19. 

 

Health chiefs have confirmed that a further 43 staff members have also been confirmed as having caught the killer bug.

 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ten-dead-scots-care-home-23451915

 

OK vaccinations must have taken place here?

Not sure how it would be possible to find out.

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4 hours ago, Orange Alert said:

 

Is it legal to refuse travel for those who have not been vaccinated, I expect governments can.  We now live in a blatant dictatorship and there are no legal protections set in stone or remedies in a dictatorship.  Saga Cruises, for example, has said it will require all passengers to be fully vaccinated atleast 14 days prior to sailing and there will be no exceptions, even those who cannot take the vaccine on medical grounds.  In Europe, Greece and Spain are front running vaccine passports, not to mention the UK's inital steps to such a system, in my opinion there will be a small and final window of opportunity this Summer to holiday outside the UK without the vaccine.    However, to take a holiday abroad could be bureaucratic and with possible costly complications.  Pre and post arrival COVID tests could be required this Summer, with the worse case scenario of testing positive in a foreign country and being unable to leave until you have had a negative test.

 

I really appreciate your reply and I can understand you feeling pissed off with what has happened over the last year and now with your wife taking the vaccine. You said, your wife had to take the vaccine because of work, if I can ask, is it because she works in the prioritised care sector?  How much pressure was applied to take the vaccine? There are many other people who are also pissed off, not just those of the David Icke Appreciation Society, with the forced imprisonment and physical activites & socialising being stripped away.  Your vigilance in monitoring your wife's health since her taking the vaccine is a credit to you.

 

Yes, being treated like a criminal when going on holiday, which has been very much so since 9/11 and increases as every year passes.

 

I wish you the very best!

 

 

 

Many thanks for your best wishes , my wife works in a hospital, she got the vaccine because for some reason she thinks she is at risk of catching Covid and the other staff members have had the jab, I tried to convince her that is dangerous and to avoid it, showed her videos of David Icke , Max Igan and Richard D Hall but she went away and got the jab which is really sad and disappointing as I feel I wasted my time and she didn't listen to me, she got the Pfizer RNA vaccine , her mother and father have also just been vaccinated, right now I really feel down as I feel I'm living in another reality and it's gonna get worse , lockdowns and vaccines every year forever , talking about holidays I have a feeling that UK holidays will be just as difficult, no doubt Hotels and Caravan parks will probably only allow people who have been vaccinated, the government are blackmailing people , no jab , no holidays , the people I know who had the jab say they feel fine but I just don't trust the government are they giving a placebo vaccine just now ?, as they don't want too many deaths as it would put people off getting the jab, or will it take years before the side effects rear it's ugly head. I will let you know how my wife is over the next week or two .

 

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1 hour ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

They use her and her son to push for more censorship and to try and take away online anonymity. Nothing more than political tools.

Harvey is oblivious. He's being paraded around like a circus act just to keep his mother in the news that she so desperately craves. I can't imagine anyone would be influenced by Katie Price except perhaps those who seek the lifestyle of a shallow celebrity.

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Just now, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

Harvey is oblivious.

 

Agreed.

 

Just now, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

I can't imagine anyone would be influenced by Katie Price except perhaps those who seek the lifestyle of a shallow celebrity.

 

Well some folks must be.

 

PRICE IS RIGHT Victory for Katie Price as MPs declare spreading online hate on social media MUST be made illegal after disabled son Harvey’s bullying hell

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8249339/katie-prince-online-bullying-harvey-law-parliamentary-committee/

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1 minute ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

Harvey is oblivious. He's being paraded around like a circus act just to keep his mother in the news that she so desperately craves. I can't imagine anyone would be influenced by Katie Price except perhaps those who seek the lifestyle of a shallow celebrity.

 

Unfortunately, many women look up to her as some kind of role model or heroine.  I can't believe there are young girls that aspire to be her . She's nothing but a vacuous trollop.

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5 hours ago, Clare Wise said:

I'm not an immunologist Mac, I'm a wildlife photographer and an astronomer.  I really don't know enough about the t-cell and other immunity factors at work here.  All I know from my own travels (into jungles, out into deserts, savannah plains and sometimes shit-filled cities full of humans and their trash (the most dangerous places of all by far), my body's own immune system has coped.  As for vaxes I've had typhoid (thank god, as I had a reaction to that and was ill for a couple of days with the 'disease') but when faced with it out in the field I remained immune.  It swept though the area, infecting loads of people, i would have died, I'm sure of that.  I've had diptheria and cholera vaxes (similar risks out in the wild, killers - could floor me!), heps a/b.  Yellow fever (not sure about the effectiveness of that vax but the illness is a f....ker!  Polio, Mumps, Measels and Rubella (separately in the early 70s, wouldn't chance them with a child all at the same time MMR, I think separately is safer, less trauma for the child, say a month apart at least (no expert though).  All tried and tested more or less.  New zoonotics are very different kettles of virus! C19 is a nasty especially if a person is weak, has underlying conditions, is very old (although fit oldsters I know have had it and are now well). worst of all, post surgery with a person's immune system under post operative strain, probably a killer, especially with transplant surgery. (No expert though).  Vax or not to vax, that is the question many now face.  My (non professional opinion):   The dangers of the viral vector vaxes should be minimal this is fairly trusted technology. The virus is disabled /you won't catch that and the pathogen eg c19, injected into you, won't replicate itself.  These vaxes do not change a person's DNA, they don't get anywhere near breaching the cell's nucleus. worst outcome, they don't work at all. Hence the 60/70 percent protection, better than nothing I guess. Oxford Zeneca, not a bad bet.  I will have  this if it is mandatory for a vax passport to travel abroad c. 2022.  We had to cancel a trip to Sri Lanka's wildlife parks 3 times so far'.  Providing that by this time next year (now booked for October 2022) no people have had significant bad reactions of died from the Oxford type.   As for the mRNA, nope, too risky, you don't try to kill a mouse with a machine gun, risks (to me, others must make up their own minds) of gun, way worse than risk of (c19 variant) mouse!  Sorry I can't explain the t4 cell aspects, not a clue. Thank you for your interest and support.  Appreciated, stay safe. x

 

 

How did those bush men and aboriginal people ever survive without the vaccine?

Thank God for modern science or else they might all be dead now.......

 

I'm not jumping on the band wagon here but I smell bullshit in this post!

 

STAY SANE X.

 

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