Facial Recognition Vans

[pi3141]

Labour home secretary Yvette Cooper appeared on BBC Breakfast to discuss the use of facial recognition vans in the UK

 

By Jess Phillips, Showbiz Editor
07:44, Wed, Aug 13, 2025 Updated: 07:50, Wed, Aug 13, 2025

 

BBC Breakfast fans were fuming over a segment involving home secretary Yvette Cooper, as she discussed the rollout of more facial recognition vans across the UK. The Labour MP sparked criticism from viewers, who fumed it was “no use” and accused her of turning the country into a dystopia akin to George Orwell’s 1984.

 

Cooper explained: “At the moment we’ve seen it being used to identify the most serious sex offenders or people wanted for the most serious crimes who, maybe, the police have not been able to find. And they are wanted for appearances in court, they’re wanted for the most serious offences and this is helping them in order to be able to find and catch those criminals.”

 

Link - https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/2094620/moment-yvette-cooper-sparks-fury-bbc

 

 

[pi3141]

 

Dangerous people.

[JONJAY79]

Didn't George Orwell mention fascism would come under the disguise of anti fascists?

 

The state of the anti fascist movement is akin to the brown shirts shifting further and further into pushing fascism. 

[Mazthehobo]

Balaclava free zones will be next.

no face covering etc

 

 

[pi3141]

Fabians believe in Socialism by gradual change, not overt action.

 

 

[pi3141]

Reading about Chartism movement while delving into historical political movements. 

 

Some interesting points.

 

Chartism

 

Chartism was a working-class movement for political reform in the United Kingdom that erupted from 1838 to 1857 and was strongest in 1839, 1842 and 1848. It took its name from the People's Charter of 1838[1] and was a national protest movement, with particular strongholds of support in Northern England, the East Midlands, the Staffordshire Potteries, the Black Country and the South Wales Valleys, where working people depended on single industries and were subject to wild swings in economic activity. Chartism was less strong in places such as Bristol, that had more diversified economies.[2] The movement was fiercely opposed by government authorities, who finally suppressed it.

 

Support for the movement was at its highest when petitions signed by millions of working people were presented to the House of Commons. The strategy employed was to use the scale of support which these petitions and the accompanying mass meetings demonstrated to put pressure on politicians to concede male suffrage. Chartism thus relied on constitutional methods to secure its aims, though some became involved in insurrectionary activities, notably in South Wales and in Yorkshire.[citation needed]

 

The People's Charter called for six reforms to make the political system more democratic:

 

A vote for every man aged twenty-one years and above, of sound mind, and not undergoing punishment for a crime.

The secret ballot to protect the elector in the exercise of his vote.

No property qualification for Members of Parliament (MPs), to allow the constituencies to return the man of their choice.

Payment of Members, enabling tradesmen, working men, or other persons of modest means to leave or interrupt their livelihood to attend to the interests of the nation.

Equal constituencies, securing the same amount of representation for the same number of electors, instead of allowing less populous constituencies to have as much or more weight than larger ones.

Annual parliamentary elections, thus presenting the most effectual check to bribery and intimidation, since no purse could buy a constituency under a system of universal manhood suffrage in every twelve months.

Eventually, after Chartism died out, Britain adopted all but the last of these six reforms. Chartists saw themselves fighting against political corruption and for democracy in an industrial society, but attracted support beyond the radical political groups for economic reasons, such as opposing wage cuts and unemployment.[3][4]

 

 

Press

Both nationally and locally a Chartist press thrived in the form of periodicals, which were important to the movement for their news, editorials, poetry and especially in 1848, reports on international developments. They reached a huge audience.[8] The Poor Man's Guardian in the 1830s, edited by Henry Hetherington, dealt with questions of class solidarity, manhood suffrage, property, and temperance, and condemned the Reform Act 1832. The paper explored the rhetoric of violence versus nonviolence, or what its writers called moral versus physical force.[9]

 

It was succeeded as the voice of radicalism by an even more famous paper: the Northern Star and Leeds General Advertiser. The Star was published between 1837 and 1852, and in 1839 was the best-selling provincial newspaper in Britain, with a circulation of 50,000. Like other Chartist papers, it was often read aloud in coffeehouses, workplaces and the open air.[10] Other Chartist periodicals included the Northern Liberator (1837–40), English Chartist Circular (1841–43), and the Midland Counties' Illuminator (1841).

 

The papers gave justifications for the demands of the People's Charter, accounts of local meetings, commentaries on education and temperance and a great deal of poetry. They also advertised upcoming meetings, typically organised by local grassroots branches, held either in public houses or their halls.[11]

 

Research of the distribution of Chartist meetings in London that were advertised in the Northern Star shows that the movement was not uniformly spread across the metropolis but clustered in the West End, where a group of Chartist tailors had shops, as well as in Shoreditch in the east, and relied heavily on pubs that also supported local friendly societies.[12] Readers also found denunciations of imperialism—the First Opium War (1839–42) was condemned—and of the arguments of free traders about the civilizing and pacifying influences of free trade.[13]

 

Christianity 

 

During this period, a widely held religious doctrine of early Christianity in England had taken hold "to the effect that it was 'wrong for a Christian to meddle in political matters.' All of the denominations were particularly careful to disavow any political affiliation and he who was the least concerned with the 'affairs of this world' was considered the most saintly and worthy of emulation."[52]: 24  

 

This was at odds with many Christian Chartists, for "Christianity was to them above all practical, something that must be carried into every walk of life. Furthermore, there was no possibility of divorcing it from political science."[52]: 26 

William Hill, a Swedenborgian minister, wrote in the Northern Star: "We are commanded ... to love our neighbors as ourselves ... this command is universal in its application, whether as a friend, Christian or citizen. A man may be devout as a Christian, ... but if as a citizen he claims rights for himself he refuses to confer upon others, he fails to fulfil the precept of Christ ..."[52]: 26  The conflicts between these two views led many like Joseph Barker to see Britain's churches as pointless. "I have no faith in church organisations," he explained. "I believe it my duty to be a man; to live and move in the world at large; to battle with evil wherever I see it, and to aim at the annihilation of all corrupt institutions and the establishment of all good, and generous, and useful institutions in their places."[53]

 

Snip

 

The Chartists were especially critical of the Church of England for unequal distribution of the state funds it received, resulting in some bishops and higher dignitaries having grossly larger incomes than other clergymen. This state of affairs led some Chartists to question the very idea of a state-sponsored church, leading them to call for absolute separation of church and state.[52]: 59

 

Link - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartism

 

 

 

So, we had a state sponsored church that taught a good Christian doesn't interfere with the state

 

The Church, holding up a rigged political system. 

 

I bet politicians dream of those days.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 13 by pi3141

[pi3141]

We still don't have separation of church and state.

 

We have the spiritual lord's perpetually sitting in the House of Lords and there is much religious association with our Royal Family, King Charles, and he being Head of State.

 

We haven't got rid of the superstition and our politics and living circumstances are still influenced by the church.

 

This is not separation of church and state.

 

This is not the rule by reason and logic we were promised, all those centuries ago. 

 

Rule by reason and logic was never supposed to mean totalitarian rule enforced by spying, staged political manipulation and falsification or massaging of statistics to support ideology. 

 

 

 

Edited August 13 by pi3141

[pi3141]

For those that don't know - 

 

Britain’s great pension robbery – why the ‘defined benefits’ gold standard is a luxury of the past

Published: August 3, 2018 9.56am BST

 

The provision of defined benefit pension schemes has been dwindling almost to extinction in Britain over the past 20 years. It used to be the norm that you’d qualify for a pension that was determined by your final salary on retirement and the number of years of service at the company. But these gold standard schemes are rarely offered to new employees anymore and those with existing ones increasingly find theirs at risk of change.

 

Let’s be clear: there has not just been one pension “thief”. In my view, there has been a coalition of culprits who through their own greed, selfishness and regulatory incompetence have systematically raided workers’ employer’s defined benefit pension funds. Listed on the charge sheet are a muddled assortment of inept and grasping politicians, some misguided accountants and ultra-cautious actuaries, a complacent Bank of England, a docile pension regulator and, finally, increasingly indifferent and uncaring employers.

 

 

Link - https://theconversation.com/britains-great-pension-robbery-why-the-defined-benefits-gold-standard-is-a-luxury-of-the-past-100844?utm_medium=article_clipboard_share&utm_source=theconversation.com

 

 

[Orange Alert]

2 hours ago, Mazthehobo said:

Balaclava free zones will be next.

no face covering etc

 

 

 

We were applying CONVID mask excemption back in 2020-21, this time we will have to do the opposite and defend our rights to stay safe from a virus (fake) by wearing COVID face shields upgraded with one way mirrored perspex, if there is a ban on face coverings. Safety first and all that.

[Orange Alert]

6 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Dangerous people.

 

All politicians are dangerous.  The facial recognition camera vans were being used by London's Metropolitan Police for a number of years when the Tories were in government. A BBC article a year and a half ago states facial recognition camera vans used in Croydon (February 2024) to continue and the technology had been used at big events including Charles's Coronation in May 2023.

 

Croydon: Met Police to continue facial recognition despite concerns

Published

12 February 2024

 

 

Quote

 

Live facial recognition is a "vital tool" for policing, the Metropolitan Police says, as it continues its roll-out of the technology in south London.

Two vans with live facial recognition (LFR) were deployed in Croydon on Friday as part of an ongoing operation.

LFR works by mapping a person's unique facial features, which can be matched against faces on watch-lists.

However, privacy campaigners - and some residents - are concerned about how data will be used and stored.

BBC London went out in Croydon with the Met and spoke to residents and community figures about the wider issues surrounding the use of LFR.

The technology is already being used at big events like the King's Coronation last May.

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68274090

 

The trialling of facial recognition cameras on the public by the police in the UK goes back a decade if not longer when taking policy and development stages into account.

 

Edited August 13 by Orange Alert

[Orange Alert]

3 hours ago, pi3141 said:

Fabians believe in Socialism by gradual change, not overt action.

 

 

 

 Socialism or capitalism = strawberry or vanilla flavoured ice cream. You are still a prisoner in the system, dictated to from above. 

[jack121]

22 hours ago, pi3141 said:

Cooper explained: “At the moment we’ve seen it being used to identify the most serious sex offenders or people wanted for the most serious crimes

 

Is that why they censored the epstein files

Is that why the met office is censoring any data that contradicts the global scam of climate change

Is that why all the sex complaints against the royals, trump, padeophile headquarters aka the BBC  are being totally ignored

And what about all the £Billions stole via coivid crisis

Bill gates is walking around a free man

The criminals are in plain view, we don't need vans just common sense

[pi3141]

1 hour ago, jack121 said:

 

Is that why they censored the epstein files

Is that why the met office is censoring any data that contradicts the global scam of climate change

Is that why all the sex complaints against the royals, trump, padeophile headquarters aka the BBC  are being totally ignored

And what about all the £Billions stole via coivid crisis

Bill gates is walking around a free man

The criminals are in plain view, we don't need vans just common sense

 

Needed a deep breath after reading that!

 

Your correct though. 

 

Blimey I changed that last sentence, I wrote 'your right though' then I thought shoot I don't want people thinking I'm calling you right wing! FFS. The Times with live in.

 

Like you said, we just need common sense. 

 

I honestly am beginning to think that Labour are hard core socialists disguising themselves as the working man's party, but their aim, every time they get in is to weaken the economic system, little by little, bit by bit, until it collapses and they can bring in full on Marxist socialism. 

 

I really do.

 

They just screw up things bit by bit. NHS, Pensions, Education, various Freedoms, mass immigration.

 

Bit by bit, they weaken or if possible destroy, they are blowing up more power station cooling towers today and of course Ed Milliband wants to concrete over our gas reserves.

 

They are destroying infrastructure such that it will be impossible to roll back or resurrect power sources if we need them.

 

Another private school has gone up for sale citing high costs, loss of charitable status, all policies by Labour that destroy acadamies and private schools and existing industries and systems.

 

Making energy expensive, motor travel outlawed, property ownership impossible, school and health systems failing an inadequate. Increasing population in a time of economic difficulty that has exasperated the problem.

 

Introducing laws to silence, trafficking protesters to genuine protests to inflame violence to label protesters right wing and ignore genuine concerns. 

 

Facial recognition cameras, drive by mile, policing social media and stamping out protest and free speech are offered as solutions. 

 

The RAF lease 2 aircraft from a private equity firm, the RAF do not own them, our military infrastructure is being outsourced to private equity firms, war us an investment now and outsourcing our highest technology to private firms that we lease back is considered a good idea.

 

It's gone mad, Labour are a socialist wolf in sheep's clothing who hate our system of governance. 

 

That's why they sponsor fake climate science carried out by hippy's with a political agenda who bastardise the scientific method and use ridicule and smear campaigns to silence dissent. Labour don't care about the science as long as the reports suit their agenda.

 

Professor Nut, advisor to the government, dud a study on drugs and concluded legalization was best. So they fired him and hired someone who told them what they wanted to hear, keep drugs illegal.

 

It was, and still is, the church that object to stem cell research.  Government bow down to their will without looking at the science. 

 

Academy's are showing there is a better or alternative solution to our education. Labour want to shut them down and put all kids in the failing state system, so our kids will fail.

 

Honestly, Labour are the enemy within the gate, they are the ones holding the gates open, destroying our society while running it ontovthe ground and finding new ways to spy and control us.

 

Welcome to socialism.

 

 

 

[jack121]

Good points. They want to destroy the present system so they can bring in the new system -  The antichrist !

[Dragon Slayer]

https://substack.com/@01researcher/note/c-149671882

 

Interesting..