The 'Spies among us' PTB narrative.

[numnuts]

In any budding police state, you first of all need to dream up some excuses to round folks up, before total power is achieved. One such excuse, which has seriously surfaced within the U.K. during the past 5 years or so, is the 'spies among us' narrative. I will start off by referring to the recent case of the Bulgarians convicted of spying for Russia. I am not suggesting that they were innocent, but it is pretty obvious that they were set up at the highest level, right from the off. Either they thought they were really working for Russia and weren't or the PTB were directing their agents, in both the U.K. and Russia, to make this fairy tale happen. Bottom line, a few senior figures within MI5 knew all along. As more time passes, then the MSM will become increasingly suggestive that some U.K. citizens must also be up to no good. I have already seen instances of this occurring.   

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq69l0e2vjno

 

'Six Bulgarians jailed for spying for Russia.' 

 

Six Bulgarians have been sentenced to lengthy prison terms for spying for the Kremlin in the UK and across Europe. During a trial in London, the Old Bailey court heard the cell was paid handsomely for their services, which included spying on two journalists who had exposed nerve agent attacks on Russian dissidents Alexei Navalny and Sergei Skripal. The sentencing judge said the group's activities had posed a serious risk to the UK's national security. (Yeah, I am sure it did do. All while letting in hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to our country.) 

 

The Met Police's Counter Terrorism Command said the case was "a clear example" of the increasing threat of state espionage. Commander Dominic Murphy said it "highlights a relatively new phenomenon whereby espionage is being 'outsourced' by certain states". Security Minister Dan Jarvis said: "These substantial sentences should send a clear warning to anyone seeking to threaten our security, harm the UK, and compromise the safety of the public."

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2e89j9qdno

 

'Bulgarians convicted of spying for Russia face 'double figure sentences'.'

 

Six Bulgarians convicted of spying for Russia face significant jail terms when they are sentenced at the Old Bailey in London on Monday. Orlin Roussev, Biser Dzhambazov, Katrin Ivanova, Tihomir Ivanchev, Ivan Stoyanov and Vanya Gaberova will be sentenced for their part in a Russian spy ring run from a 33-room Great Yarmouth guest house. (I just posted a second link to an earlier news article, as the 33-room bit wasn't mentioned in the first article. Someone does at least have a sense of humour.)

Edited June 18 by numnuts

[Anti Facts Sir]

Did these Bulgarians come from Wimbledon Common, by any chance?

[Campion]

Spying has always occurred, there's even references to spies in the Old Testament. Intelligence agencies are always using spies and agents in other countries.  So although there's nothing new here, it is handy as you suggest for problem-reaction-solution to justify some agenda and clamp down on freedoms.  The past 5 years timescale coincides with covid, wars in Ukraine and Gaza, economic decline, increasing immigration etc; so accelerationism is certainly going on. 

[numnuts]

On 6/18/2025 at 8:08 PM, Anti Facts Sir said:

Did these Bulgarians come from Wimbledon Common, by any chance?

 

The 'Men From Uncle' or just a 'Crazy Gang'? 

 

 

 

On 6/18/2025 at 10:35 PM, Campion said:

Spying has always occurred, there's even references to spies in the Old Testament. Intelligence agencies are always using spies and agents in other countries. So although there's nothing new here, it is handy as you suggest for problem-reaction-solution to justify some agenda and clamp down on freedoms.

 

Yes, but this isn't quite the same thing. Point being, that they never stood a chance. They were doomed from the first moment that they agreed to partake in whatever they agreed to partake in. MI5 must have been steering them all along. They got them to do 'x', 'y' and 'z', so that a load of 'nefarious activity' boxes could be ticked (all exaggerated), then probably found a way to leak stuff to the Met Police's Counter Terrorism Command. The Counter Terrorism Command mob weren't in on it, bar maybe one or two MI5 plants, and they lapped it all up. The end result was a good 'Dangerous spies among us' yarn. It was entrapment and I don't approve of it.   

[numnuts]

This BBC News article is from last month. These stories are definitely becoming more common nowadays. Up until now, most of them haven't been about born and bred Brits, but about Brits with foreign backgrounds or foreigners living in Britain. I think that is slowly changing though. I have also noticed a definite shift from people being accused/convicted of spying for foreign powers to people being accused/convicted of 'trying' to spy for foreign powers. Eh? What's that strong scent of bullshit I can smell? For obvious reasons, most of the current crop of stories are about alleged 'Iranian-backed' spies. In due course, along with further analysis, I will dig up some more stories that I have come across in recent years.

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c628jy5rg78o

 

'British man arrested in Cyprus suspected of spying and terror offences.'

 

A British man has been arrested in Cyprus on suspicion of spying and terror-related offences. The BBC understands he is thought to have carried out surveillance for Iran on the RAF Akrotiri base on the island. Local media say he is of Azerbaijani descent and has connections to Iran's Revolutionary Guards. He appeared in a district court earlier on Saturday and was detained for a further eight days. The Foreign Office said it was in contact with Cypriot authorities.

Edited July 28 by numnuts

[numnuts]

On 2/20/2025 at 11:37 PM, numnuts said:

So, almost anyone in the world is welcome to come here, just not genuine refugees from Gaza. Shocking stuff. God knows how many foreign agents arrived here under the Ukraine scheme. It is so laughable that they claim they are able to vet all of these people. If Russia is really seen as the threat that the MSM makes it out to be, then no way would our government have let in that volume of people from Ukraine. And now, there are even some calls to give them all U.K. citizenship.  

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians_in_the_United_Kingdom#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

 

'As of 16 July 2024, the United Kingdom had issued 260,800 visas to Ukrainians as a result of Russia's invasion, from a total of 342,000 applications received.'

 

I made the above quoted post on another thread. I don't know what the up to date figures are, but if even a small percentage of these folks coming here from Ukraine are enemy agents, then that's a lot of danger we have to contend with. Think about Iran and how it got infiltrated. Some people might argue that there are differences between Russia and Ukraine, but it would be a hell of a lot easier for Russia to infiltrate Ukraine, than for the CIA to infiltrate Iran. Who in their right mind would have given the nod to this scheme and on this scale? On the one hand, we have all of the MSM 'baddies are trying to infiltrate/destabilise/attack our society' scare stories; while on the other hand, we have schemes like this going on in the background. And, how many are going to end up settling here permanently? It is totally ludicrous.

Edited August 22 by numnuts

[wagdog19]

59 minutes ago, numnuts said:

 

I made the above quoted post on another thread. I don't know what the up to date figures are, but if even a small percentage of these folks coming here from Ukraine are enemy agents, then that's a lot of danger we have to contend with. Think about Iran and how it got infiltrated. Some people might argue that there are differences between Russia and Ukraine, but it would be a hell of a lot easier for Russia to infiltrate Ukraine, than for the CIA to infiltrate Iran. Who in their right mind would have given the nod to this scheme and on this scale? On the one hand, we have all of the MSM 'baddies are trying to infiltrate/destabilise/attack our society' scare stories; while on the other hand, we have schemes like this going on in the background. And, how many are going to end up settling here permanently? It is totally ludicrous.

They will be kicking your door down in the not too distant future. Assuredly. 

[1velocity7]

still think we won the war?

 

 

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

Reflecting on WW2 and the internment of American citizens of Japanese decent. The motive was a fear of them becoming spies for the Japanese. We are to believe that the Japanese nation would never hire spies of White caucasion race or that White people would never sell information to the Japanese. The notion is ludicrous.

 

Besides that, the Japanese were known to have the most sophisticated spy networks in the world yet we are taught that they had no idea the 4500 B29 being built in the US were intended to firebomb the Japanese nation.

 

We are taught that the Japanese were taken completely off guard. Boy oh boy the bs we are taught about that period is phenomenal.

 

Once again proving the old saying that the first casualty in war is the truth. The truth that the Japanese elites and American elites conspired together to destroy their own citizens.

 

For those interested in this concept of Americans militarily helping the Japanese solve their internal issues under a shroud of war might like to watch the movie The Last Samourai.

 

For a dramatization of the horrible injustices and hardships and prejudice endured by Japanese Americans during that period of concocted conflict may want to see the movie Snow Falling On Cedars.

 

 

Edited September 19 by Avoiceinthecrowd

[numnuts]

He had to be a non-PTB party aide, didn't he. And, the PTB are cracking down hard on the AFD right now. 

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99g52y7k1xo

 

'Former aide to far-right German politician jailed for spying for China.'

 

An aide who worked for a leading member of Germany's far-right AFD party has been given a jail term of four years and nine months for spying for China. Jian Guo had worked in Brussels for Maximilian Krah, a member of the European Parliament for five years until last year. Krah is now an MP in the German parliament. The court in Dresden in eastern Germany had heard how Krah's former aide had gathered information and passed on confidential documents to Chinese authorities. Jian Guo had maintained his innocence, insisting he had not worked for Chinese intelligence, and Krah told the court last month he had only learned about allegations against his ex-employee from the media. 

 

Jian Guo, a German national, was accused by prosecutors of working for Chinese intelligence since 2002, in a case that fuelled concerns about China's spy activities in the European Union. He had also been accused of spying on Chinese dissidents and opposition figures in Germany. The court in Dresden said it was a particularly serious case, although in his final statement Jian Guo told the trial last week: "I did not work for a Chinese intelligence agency and I am innocent."

[cosmicinaudio]

I think the reality is they're incredibly lenient with allowing Russians to enter this country, despite the so called "sanctions" and Russia's frequent violations of NATO airspace, and also the novichok stuff a few years ago. I don't detect any real agenda against Russian people from the government, if anything we're told that we must separate the actions of Putin and the Russian state from ordinary Russians, and that it would be racist to hate all Russians because of it or want them banned from the country.

 

They talk about sanctions, yet it seems to me the number of Russians who have actually been sanctioned by the UK government is infinitesimally small. The vast majority of Russians with UK assets still have full control of those assets and are free to come and go as they please.

 

I take the opposite view to OP, that the odd media report of a Russian or Chinese spy being arrested is an attempt by the government and media to pretend they've got their finger on the pulse in regards to espionage, when in reality they've got their finger up their arse. They have no idea who's entering this country and what their intentions are and are too interested in "global trade" and "the markets" to do anything about it.

Edited October 4 by cosmicinaudio

[lizardsquad]

On 6/18/2025 at 11:35 PM, Campion said:

Spying has always occurred, there's even references to spies in the Old Testament. Intelligence agencies are always using spies and agents in other countries.  So although there's nothing new here, it is handy as you suggest for problem-reaction-solution to justify some agenda and clamp down on freedoms.  The past 5 years timescale coincides with covid, wars in Ukraine and Gaza, economic decline, increasing immigration etc; so accelerationism is certainly going on. 

 

 

There is one thing to conduct espionage to keep us safe , it's another thing to use the tools for criminal purposes under the pretext of whatever one is supposed to fight, then doing the very opposite. 

 

The first ones they tricked probably are their own coworkers, because many honorable good people with integrity work for government agencies, trying to do the good thing... But might not know they are part of something nefarious due to compartmentalization or lack of transparency.

Edited Monday at 09:03 PM by lizardsquad