Israel attacks Iran, and vice-versa

[SoundOfSilence]

1 hour ago, bryan said:

Forty years is about right for predictions to come true . . .

 

 

Though let's not forget the number of times they had their homeland taken away for being naughty.

[Bobee]

What is this floating around that Trump is saying Iran should sign a deal?

 

[northern star]

9 hours ago, Campion said:

 

Maybe but it's a very dangerous strategy. To hope for a regime change by attacking a country - it's just as likely to make people rally together against the external enemy, especially when its their long-time nemesis of Israel-America. Plus they have a growing alliance with Russia & China to back them up and the BRICS economic group. 

 

When did Iran have free elections?  Before the revolution & Ayatollahs they had the Shah who was a dictator too. 

 

 

It's the only strategy for the people of Iran. Apparently many in the army are switching sides and going over to the king's side. While both sides are controlled by the same deep state forces, its a window of opportunity to break the deadlock of dictatorship and have free elections - its now or never.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 18 by northern star

[Bobee]

3 minutes ago, northern star said:

 

It's the only strategy for the people of Iran. Apparently many in the army are switching sides and going over to the king's side. While both sides are controlled by the same deep state forces, its a window of opportunity to break the deadlock of dictatorship and have free elections - its now or never.

 

Also now the Iranians are saying they want to go to the White House for discussions - a possible breakthrough to avoid catastrophe. 

 

 

 

 

 

You make it sound like Iran does not have elections and have dictator in power?

[Fifth element]

 

Edited June 19 by Fifth element

[Katsika]

 

[peter]

It always surprises me during these conflicts including ww2 that the leadership is never targeted eg ww2 the palace and the British parliament we not targeted to my knowledge ( the English royals are actually German so that may answer the question about the palace) The first retaliatory strike by Iran they gave the Israelis 5 hours notice, told them which facilities they would hit and they did, so they obviously have the targeting capabilities so why not drive one into yahoo's and his henchmen's hangout ,same with Putin why not why not go after that shity little actor from Ukraine and his cohorts in the first place .

It may be a simple view and ill-informed but if it was me my first  shot would be to remove all the sitting politicians and therefore the survivors if any would be looking for a new club house.

Edited June 19 by peter

[northern star]

2 hours ago, peter said:

It always surprises me during these conflicts including ww2 that the leadership is never targeted eg ww2 the palace and the British parliament we not targeted to my knowledge ( the English royals are actually German so that may answer the question about the palace) The first retaliatory strike by Iran they gave the Israelis 5 hours notice, told them which facilities they would hit and they did, so they obviously have the targeting capabilities so why not drive one into yahoo's and his henchmen's hangout ,same with Putin why not why not go after that shity little actor from Ukraine and his cohorts in the first place .

It may be a simple view and ill-informed but if it was me my first  shot would be to remove all the sitting politicians and therefore the survivors if any would be looking for a new club house.

 

Its fair to say these people are never affected by their decisions, always safe and far away from the horrors of war. It was ever thus, always in a safe haven while deciding the fate of those who have to go off and fight. But I think the likes of Trump and Reza Pahlavi are characters on the chess board, rather than the end game. The end game is peace on earth, so we will see the genuinely heroic part they play to that end, and this is their unique chance in history to do so.

 

Great honours (not the pathetic ones handed out by Charles to sycophants and charlatans who keep the whole charade going) should be given to those who really play a part in bringing peace, finally, to planet earth. If only to lead by example and show the way, and reverse the inversion set by the dark forces, who have taken over our lands. The warmongers will be exposed for the part they played too, come the reckoning.

 

 

 

Edited June 20 by northern star

[1velocity7]

6 hours ago, peter said:

It always surprises me during these conflicts including ww2 that the leadership is never targeted eg ww2 the palace and the British parliament we not targeted to my knowledge ( the English royals are actually German so that may answer the question about the palace) The first retaliatory strike by Iran they gave the Israelis 5 hours notice, told them which facilities they would hit and they did, so they obviously have the targeting capabilities so why not drive one into yahoo's and his henchmen's hangout ,same with Putin why not why not go after that shity little actor from Ukraine and his cohorts in the first place .

It may be a simple view and ill-informed but if it was me my first  shot would be to remove all the sitting politicians and therefore the survivors if any would be looking for a new club house.

thats my logic test to confirm they are controlling both sides of the war.

if you wanted to take down a country youd bomb the government buildings not schools and hospitals

[peter]

1 hour ago, 1velocity7 said:

thats my logic test to confirm they are controlling both sides of the war.

if you wanted to take down a country youd bomb the government buildings not schools and hospitals

couldn't agree more

[SoundOfSilence]

6 hours ago, 1velocity7 said:

thats my logic test to confirm they are controlling both sides of the war.

if you wanted to take down a country youd bomb the government buildings not schools and hospitals

If you already controlled both sides, why would you need to bomb the country at all?

[peter]

16 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

If you already controlled both sides, why would you need to bomb the country at all?

it's all  about money ,a small group of individuals make a shit load of doe at the taxpayer's expense, of course there are long term plans for the respective regions that usually entail the pillage of the countries' respective resources by the very people that are making shit loads through arms manufacture, win win 

[SoundOfSilence]

6 minutes ago, peter said:

it's all  about money ,a small group of individuals make a shit load of doe at the taxpayer's expense, of course there are long term plans for the respective regions that usually entail the pillage of the countries' respective resources by the very people that are making shit loads through arms manufacture, win win 

I don't dispute that. Military Industrial Complex and John Perkins' Confessions of an Economic Hitman are very real.

 

But that doesn't mean Iran is controlled. Particularly when it does not have a Rothschild Central Bank.

[Bombadil]

17 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

But that doesn't mean Iran is controlled. Particularly when it does not have a Rothschild Central Bank.

I agree. Especially when the msm are pushing the return of the old shahs lineage. Iran for me is one of those countries who won’t tow the party line (now). Just like Afghanistan, North Korea and Iraq.

[bryan]

I asked AI about countries with no central bank.

 

"The discussion on Reddit mentions that there are only four countries left that don't have a central bank owned by the Rothschild family, which includes Cuba, North Korea, Iran, and Syria. However, it is important to note that these claims are part of a conspiracy theory and may not be accurate."

[Piero]

At the very top of the power pyramid, all sides are controlled by the same other dimensional beings. They control all political parties in every nation of the world. So yes, The powers that control Israel are ultimately the same powers that control Iran. David Icke is one of those people who understand this.

 

Edited June 20 by Piero

[wagdog19]

18 hours ago, peter said:

It always surprises me during these conflicts including ww2 that the leadership is never targeted eg ww2 the palace and the British parliament we not targeted to my knowledge ( the English royals are actually German so that may answer the question about the palace) The first retaliatory strike by Iran they gave the Israelis 5 hours notice, told them which facilities they would hit and they did, so they obviously have the targeting capabilities so why not drive one into yahoo's and his henchmen's hangout ,same with Putin why not why not go after that shity little actor from Ukraine and his cohorts in the first place .

It may be a simple view and ill-informed but if it was me my first  shot would be to remove all the sitting politicians and therefore the survivors if any would be looking for a new club house.

Apparently, there is an unspoken agreement between 'warring' nations to not target leaders/cabinet members, unless they are supreme controllers of the military ( Saddam Hussein). That said, Prince Willy is head of RAF is he not?

[Grumpy Owl]

3 hours ago, bryan said:

I asked AI about countries with no central bank.

 

"The discussion on Reddit mentions that there are only four countries left that don't have a central bank owned by the Rothschild family, which includes Cuba, North Korea, Iran, and Syria. However, it is important to note that these claims are part of a conspiracy theory and may not be accurate."

 

Well there you have it, even AI has confirmation bias. 

 

It's no coincidence that countries without Rothschild-controlled central banks are considered 'pariahs' to the rest of the world. Funny that!

[wagdog19]

3 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Well there you have it, even AI has confirmation bias. 

 

It's no coincidence that countries without Rothschild-controlled central banks are considered 'pariahs' to the rest of the world. Funny that!

Don't forget the Windsors in all of this. That fake picture of Rothschild poking Charlie's chest, rubbish. The Royals are up at the very top of the Pyramid, Rothschilds just do the books. 

[peter]

6 hours ago, Bombadil said:

I agree. Especially when the msm are pushing the return of the old shahs lineage. Iran for me is one of those countries who won’t tow the party line (now). Just like Afghanistan, North Korea and Iraq.

Yes true, you have to throw a very strong religious ideology into the mix with regards to the Arab nations coupled with how they have been treated by the west through recent history, with regards to North Korea I don't think they will be forgetting what the Yanks did to their country in the Korean war any time soon so therefore you have a rather large collective middle finger pointed squarely at Washington and London and personally I don't blame them

PS don't forget what they did to Libya

 

1 hour ago, Grumpy Owl said:

It's no coincidence that countries without Rothschild-controlled central banks are considered 'pariahs' to the rest of the world. Funny that!

I couldn't agree more

[Piero]

UK preparing to charter flights from Israel, Lammy says

 

The UK is arranging charter flights to return British nationals from Israel once Israeli airspace re-opens, the foreign secretary has said.

 

David Lammy confirmed the government was working with the Israeli authorities to provide flights out of Tel Aviv airport, the number of which will be based on demand.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdez72x9pkdo

 

Edited June 20 by Piero

[SoundOfSilence]

Given that Trump has deferred for a couple of weeks it seems that he has finally been given some good advice.

 

There is no question that he has been surrounded and certain people in the military and the CIA are trying to manipulate him into war with Iran. They do this through briefings whereby the President is given some truth; some false information and other information is held back.

 

Trump would have likely been told that Iran was dangerously close to acquiring a nuke which it will immediately use against Israel. Before this occurs, the US can successfully take out its nuclear capabilities by using bunker busting bombs. Trust us, nothing will go wrong. While Trump was mulling this over Netanyahu gambled that he could drag Trump into the conflict by attacking Iran and leaving Trump no option but to join the conflict.

 

Again, Trump would have been lied to about Israel's early success, they have taken out Iran's air defenses, the people will rise up and overthrow the government, just all we need are a few bunker busting bombs. Trust us, nothing is going wrong.

 

It seems the reality is beginning to filter through. That people rarely rally around a foreign aggressor trying to overthrow their government. If the Chinese blew up my home, I am very unlikely to be out in the streets waving Chinese flags as the tanks roll in to occupy me. Trump has questioned the efficacy of bunker busting bombs and whether they can successfully take out Iran's nukes. Iran has all the necessary kit to assemble a nuke anytime it wants. And this stuff will not be stored where the US is targeting. A quick surgical strike is impossible, necessitating a long, drawn-out war with US troops on the ground. It would mean the end of his economic recovery and Presidency.

 

It would also have been pointed out that Israel is not doing as well as the propaganda suggests. There is a reason Israel has imposed a media blackout. True, there are reasons of military expediency for this. But there is also the desire not to reveal to the world how vulnerable Israel is. This is a ten-minute clip exposing how much damage Iran is really doing. Also exposes massive Israeli hypocrisy.

 

 

 

I think at this stage it is unlikely that Trump is going to jump into the conflict. Netanyahu will become desperate. So, look for a false flag.

 

And there are signs that this is being prepared. The FBI, which Trump has no control over, has announced that there are Iranian sleeper cells in the US ready to carry out terror attacks. While this is true the timing is very interesting.

 

Then there is the assassination of trump which can be blamed on Iran. Netanyahu has already laid the groundwork for this, telling the media that he has intelligence that Iran wants to assassinate Trump.

 

[SoundOfSilence]

7 hours ago, wagdog19 said:

Apparently, there is an unspoken agreement between 'warring' nations to not target leaders/cabinet members, unless they are supreme controllers of the military ( Saddam Hussein). That said, Prince Willy is head of RAF is he not?

There is also an interpretation of the Geneva Convention that civilian leadership is distinct from military leadership and, therefore, is not a legitimate target. The prohibition on targeting civilians and non-combatants, such as injured troops.

 

Of course, international law doesn't apply to Israel.

[bryan]

14 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

It's no coincidence that countries without Rothschild-controlled central banks are considered 'pariahs' to the rest of the world. Funny that!

In 2011 William Blum made some interesting comments about the rebels who overthrew Gaddafi.

 

"They soon began flying the flag of the monarchy that Gaddafi had overthrown"

 

"They soon set up a Central Bank, a rather bizarre thing for a protest movement"

 

"International support came quickly, even beforehand, from Qatar and al Jazeera to the CIA and French intelligence"

 

"Not very long ago, Iraq and Libya were the two most modern and secular states in the Mideast/North Africa world with perhaps the highest standards of living in the region. Then the United States of America came along and saw fit to make a basket case of each one."

http://consortiumnews.com/2011/09/01/real-world-motives-for-libya-war/

 

 

Looks like Gaddafi's central bank was already infiltrated by the Rothschilds.

 

"The Bank's name was changed to Bank of Libya under Act no. 4 (1963), then to its current name Central Bank of Libya after the 1969 coup d'état.

 

In March 2011, the governor of CBL, Farhat Bengdara, resigned and defected to the rebelling side of the Libyan Civil War, having first arranged for the bulk of external Libyan assets to be frozen and unavailable to the Gaddafi government."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Bank_of_Libya

Edited June 21 by bryan

[SoundOfSilence]

54 minutes ago, bryan said:

Looks like Gaddafi's central bank was already infiltrated by the Rothschilds.

 

"The Bank's name was changed to Bank of Libya under Act no. 4 (1963), then to its current name Central Bank of Libya after the 1969 coup d'état.

 

In March 2011, the governor of CBL, Farhat Bengdara, resigned and defected to the rebelling side of the Libyan Civil War, having first arranged for the bulk of external Libyan assets to be frozen and unavailable to the Gaddafi government."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Bank_of_Libya

All the time Gadhafi reigned the central bank was completely Libyan controlled. 

 

There are quite a number of articles confirming this. I just picked this one.

 

Why Qaddafi had to go: African gold, oil and the challenge to monetary imperialism 

 

"Until the recent US/NATO invasion, the gold dinar was issued by the Central Bank of Libya (CBL). The Libyan bank was 100% state owned and independent. Foreigners had to go through the CBL to do business with Libya. The Central Bank of Libya issued the dinar, using the country's 143.8 tons of gold."

 

But that wasn't the reason for eliminating Gadhafi. He wanted to establish a gold backed African Dinah which would be used to trade oil. This would have presented a direct challenge to the hegemony of the US dollar. In spite of all the money printing the US doesn't suffer hyperinflation because all the money is kept outside the US. Held as reserves but also the main currency to buy and sell oil. 

 

If oil is traded in another currency the money comes back to the US and its economy collapses.

 

In the case of Iran not only does it have a non-Rothschild controlled central bank but look at the history of BP (the oil company). I suspect the British wouldn't mind having control of all that oil again.