Know who you are and what you are?

[Bobee]

This has come up a number of times in many threads here, people saying here do you know who you are and what you are?

 

What is this? What do they mean by that?

 

This is not some new age stuff in religion alien community floating around,  saying you where a reptilian in past live and wanted to see what life would be like being human. Or you where an Pleiadian alien and wanted to see what life would be like being human. Or you where some AI from AI hive blob and wanted to see what life was like being human. You where star seed alien and what to expressing what life was life on earth?

 

Is this what people are talking about here? Because in the religion alien community floating around are saying many aliens come to earth and reincarnate to experience life on earth and being human.

[Mr H]

2 hours ago, Bobee said:

This has come up a number of times in many threads here, people saying here do you know who you are and what you are?

 

What is this? What do they mean by that?

 

This is not some new age stuff in religion alien community floating around,  saying you where a reptilian in past live and wanted to see what life would be like being human. Or you where an Pleiadian alien and wanted to see what life would be like being human. Or you where some AI from AI hive blob and wanted to see what life was like being human. You where star seed alien and what to expressing what life was life on earth?

 

Is this what people are talking about here? Because in the religion alien community floating around are saying many aliens come to earth and reincarnate to experience life on earth and being human.

I would question the one who is asking. That will provide the answer.

[Mr H]

To expand a little........

 

Thought is asking this question. You are obviously not thought. Thoughts appear and disappear for you. You are always here. YOU ALREADY know who you are. It's thoughts that are asking this question. Thoughts are just energetic phenomenon flying in the ether. But they can be powerful and many believe they are an entity in itself especially combined with perception and sensations of a body.

 

So we don't really need to ask this. But if thought does, then investigate the one who remain in the absence of thought. 

[Campion]

On one level we can ask what we are in terms of conventional categories: animal, primate, human, man, husband, father etc.  Those categories are describing my form, my roles in society, my relationships.   

 

On a more experiential level, one of the problems, or paradoxes, is that it's a self-referential question.  In other words, the seeker is seeking itself. The observer is trying to observe the observer, to turn round and look at itself rather than looking outside.  The nearest analogy is to use a mirror, but that's still seeing a reflection, not the actual self. 

  

This is how we can enter into the world of mysticism, which breaks down the usual concept of myself as an observer inside my mind, looking out at the objective world outside. For me, that is where spiritual practices come in like meditation and self-inquiry, which approach this in a direct way of pure observation, of collapsing the distinction between observer and observed. 

[Mr H]

4 hours ago, Campion said:

On one level we can ask what we are in terms of conventional categories: animal, primate, human, man, husband, father etc.  Those categories are describing my form, my roles in society, my relationships.   

 

 

Does the sun ask what am.i? The ocean?

 

It's really a ridiculous speculation and question that you absolutely know the answer too. It's only deranged/mentally ill thought - energetic forms asking this question. Because we live in a dysfunctional culture........

 

From here what to do?

 

If you are not controlled by mentally ill neurotic thought forms, carry on chopping wood.

 

If mentally ill neurotic thought forms have an effect on you, then investigate the one that is aware of this neurosis.

 

[Origin]

9 hours ago, Bobee said:

 

 

What is this? 

Or you where an Pleiadian alien and wanted to see what life would be like being human.

 

[Piero]

41 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Does the sun ask what am.i? The ocean?

 

It's really a ridiculous speculation and question that you absolutely know the answer too. It's only deranged/mentally ill thought - energetic forms asking this question. Because we live in a dysfunctional culture........

 

From here what to do?

 

If you are not controlled by mentally ill neurotic thought forms, carry on chopping wood.

 

If mentally ill neurotic thought forms have an effect on you, then investigate the one that is aware of this neurosis.

 

I appreciate your perspective on thoughts being distinct from our true self. It reminds me of a different angle on self-discovery from Carl Jung, who said: 'Enlightenment is not imagining figures of light, but making the darkness conscious.'

 

This suggests that true understanding might involve engaging with all aspects of our inner world, even the uncomfortable ones, rather than just dismissing them. Perhaps that's where some of the 'neurotic thought forms' might actually lead to deeper insights if investigated differently?

 

 

[Mr H]

24 minutes ago, Piero said:

I appreciate your perspective on thoughts being distinct from our true self. It reminds me of a different angle on self-discovery from Carl Jung, who said: 'Enlightenment is not imagining figures of light, but making the darkness conscious.'

 

This suggests that true understanding might involve engaging with all aspects of our inner world, even the uncomfortable ones, rather than just dismissing them. Perhaps that's where some of the 'neurotic thought forms' might actually lead to deeper insights if investigated differently?

 

 

Yes when we localize ourselves here, the locus acts both as a conductor and transmitter. The conductor aspect involves receiving thoughts which is dependent upon what you are transmitting. Thoughts aren't produced by the brain, the brain receives them. 

 

You can imagine thoughts are like wifi and your brain is the dongle. 

 

These electrical thought impulses have a heavy dense charge and seem like they are produced behind the eyes and therefore are us. Which is not the case when you truly observe.

 

Yes I love Jung's work. And in my experience it is healing to accept, investigate dark thoughts too and integrate them.

 

In my experience the essence of dark thoughts are the same as good thoughts. Love. The passage between thoughts arising and you receiving them - it has to pass though several filters, main ones being your beliefs and values. This can distort the original message of the thoughts as it gets lost in translation. Even Hitler thought he was doing good work in his mind!

[Piero]

36 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Yes when we localize ourselves here, the locus acts both as a conductor and transmitter. The conductor aspect involves receiving thoughts which is dependent upon what you are transmitting. Thoughts aren't produced by the brain, the brain receives them. 

 

You can imagine thoughts are like wifi and your brain is the dongle. 

 

These electrical thought impulses have a heavy dense charge and seem like they are produced behind the eyes and therefore are us. Which is not the case when you truly observe.

 

Yes I love Jung's work. And in my experience it is healing to accept, investigate dark thoughts too and integrate them.

 

In my experience the essence of dark thoughts are the same as good thoughts. Love. The passage between thoughts arising and you receiving them - it has to pass though several filters, main ones being your beliefs and values. This can distort the original message of the thoughts as it gets lost in translation. Even Hitler thought he was doing good work in his mind!

Thanks for clarifying your perspective on thoughts as received impulses and the role of filters. I find the 'wifi and dongle' analogy quite interesting, and I agree that our beliefs and values profoundly shape our perception. I also appreciate you sharing your experience that it's healing to accept, investigate, and integrate 'dark thoughts.'

 

Where my understanding of 'making the darkness conscious' comes into play, especially in a Jungian sense, is how we engage with the experience of the 'darkness' itself. Even if it's all just 'love' deep down and it gets distorted by our filters, and what comes out – the 'lost in translation' part – can feel really real, and can hit hard. So, do you think it's just as important to really face and dig into what that 'darkness' feels like and is, even before we see it as something else?

 

Edited June 11 by Piero

[Mr H]

1 hour ago, Piero said:

Thanks for clarifying your perspective on thoughts as received impulses and the role of filters. I find the 'wifi and dongle' analogy quite interesting, and I agree that our beliefs and values profoundly shape our perception. I also appreciate you sharing your experience that it's healing to accept, investigate, and integrate 'dark thoughts.'

 

Where my understanding of 'making the darkness conscious' comes into play, especially in a Jungian sense, is how we engage with the experience of the 'darkness' itself. Even if it's all just 'love' deep down and it gets distorted by our filters, and what comes out – the 'lost in translation' part – can feel really real, and can hit hard. So, do you think it's just as important to really face and dig into what that 'darkness' feels like and is, even before we see it as something else?

 

My personal approach on this. Is no 1 to abide in your true nature. Which means to accept and not resist the darkness. Invite it into your home lovingly.

 

Step no2. The truth shall set you free. Investigate the darkness that appears, with ruthless honesty and a rigorous scientific approach (eg, keep asking qus like, is this true? What evidence is there? What are my assumptions?). That is how I do it

[Piero]

4 hours ago, Mr H said:

My personal approach on this. Is no 1 to abide in your true nature. Which means to accept and not resist the darkness. Invite it into your home lovingly.

 

Step no2. The truth shall set you free. Investigate the darkness that appears, with ruthless honesty and a rigorous scientific approach (eg, keep asking qus like, is this true? What evidence is there? What are my assumptions?). That is how I do it

Thanks for sharing your approach. 'Accept and not resist' and then investigating with 'ruthless honesty' makes a lot of sense. It sounds like a powerful way to engage with what appears.

 

It makes me wonder about something you said earlier, about 'the sun is always there, there is no night to it', and now your two steps for working with darkness. Do you see this whole path to 'Knowing' – accepting, investigating, and integrating – as an ongoing process, or is it something where you eventually 'arrive' at a point where there's no more darkness to investigate?

 

[Mr H]

3 minutes ago, Piero said:

Thanks for sharing your approach. 'Accept and not resist' and then investigating with 'ruthless honesty' makes a lot of sense. It sounds like a powerful way to engage with what appears.

 

It makes me wonder about something you said earlier, about 'the sun is always there, there is no night to it', and now your two steps for working with darkness. Do you see this whole path to 'Knowing' – accepting, investigating, and integrating – as an ongoing process, or is it something where you eventually 'arrive' at a point where there's no more darkness to investigate?

 

In spirituality, context and audience is important. If you string what I say together from different threads addressing different folks, it will seem contradictory in part. It's a thorn to remove a thorn approach. A dance between us, based upon the relative question at hand. Why? Because if you want ultimate truth then there is nothing to say or know. You are already the truth. You are that.

 

For me personally it's an ongoing experience, there is always something to investigate in the illusion. But for some others they are happy just to accept what is and do no investigation/integrating.

 

Are some people fully integrated/living without darkness etc? Many claim. But even if you look at the most God embodied humans like Jesus, there are stories of him "zapping" people, so he too most likely had some things to address

[Piero]

7 minutes ago, Mr H said:

In spirituality, context and audience is important. If you string what I say together from different threads addressing different folks, it will seem contradictory in part. It's a thorn to remove a thorn approach. A dance between us, based upon the relative question at hand. Why? Because if you want ultimate truth then there is nothing to say or know. You are already the truth. You are that.

 

For me personally it's an ongoing experience, there is always something to investigate in the illusion. But for some others they are happy just to accept what is and do no investigation/integrating.

 

Are some people fully integrated/living without darkness etc? Many claim. But even if you look at the most God embodied humans like Jesus, there are stories of him "zapping" people, so he too most likely had some things to address

I really appreciate your comments, so thanks for the reply.

 

I completely get what you mean about context and the 'thorn to remove a thorn' approach – that makes a lot of sense for how discussions can unfold.

 

I also really resonate with your personal view that it's an ongoing experience, and there's always something to investigate in the illusion. That's definitely how I see it too.

 

Your point about even Jesus having 'things to address' is particularly insightful. It brings to mind how on our path to understanding and light, Christ is often seen as suffering or experiencing challenges with us. The powerful image in Revelation of him as a lamb with a wound, which won't heal until humanity is healed, seems to beautifully capture this shared journey and the deep compassion involved. It underscores that the path of Light isn't separate from the reality of shared suffering and ongoing healing for everyone.

 

[Origin]

21 hours ago, Bobee said:

This has come up a number of times in many threads here, people saying here do you know who you are and what you are?

 

What is this? What do they mean by that?

 

This is not some new age stuff in religion alien community floating around,  saying you where a reptilian in past live and wanted to see what life would be like being human. Or you where an Pleiadian alien and wanted to see what life would be like being human. Or you where some AI from AI hive blob and wanted to see what life was like being human. You where star seed alien and what to expressing what life was life on earth?

 

Is this what people are talking about here? Because in the religion alien community floating around are saying many aliens come to earth and reincarnate to experience life on earth and being human.

I'll give you a real answer. All questions are wrong and have nothing to do with the phenomenon. Then your response will be... What are the real or correct questions? I will then respond give me an actual unique thought that you are not taking from others. Because you have to assume that billions are missing the point.