Piero Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Reading driver jailed after killing pedestrian https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-43472639 20th March, 2018 Extract: A driver who killed a 44-year-old woman when she accelerated instead of braking, veering into three pedestrians, has been jailed for 28 months. Pertpall Sall, 68, from Woodley, smashed through a brick wall as she swerved to avoid crashing into a lorry on Oxford Road, Reading. She hit Sonata Saulytyte, who was buried under rubble and died. Two male pedestrians were also injured in the crash on 8 December 2016. Liam Brinkley, 20, broke his leg and required operations while 24-year-old Maciej Zelek suffered cuts and bruises. Sall pleaded guilty at Reading Crown Court to a charge of causing death by dangerous driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, Piero said: In the UK, there have been several cases where drivers have claimed to have accidentally pressed the accelerator instead of the brake, leading to serious or fatal incidents. The circumstances under which the wrong peddle is pressed is known as Peddle Application Error (PAE). It’s well documented. For example, Transport for London has made a study of the phenomenon: https://content.tfl.gov.uk/pedal-application-error-on-london-buses-2023.pdf Pedal Application Error on London Buses Executive Summary Pedal Application Error (PAE) is a phenomenon where drivers mistakenly press the accelerator when they have an honest belief that they are pressing the brake, resulting in unintended and uncontrolled acceleration with a high collision risk. It may also occur in the reverse with unintended brake depression instead of acceleration, resulting in harsh braking. It can occur in any vehicle. Based on recorded events per km driven by London’s buses, it appears to be a rare event, but it may be significantly under-reported because of poor understanding or recognition of the phenomenon, particularly if it occurs but does not result in a collision. Transport for London (TfL) has recognised the occurrence of this problem in a number of collision incidents involving the London bus fleet and is investigating potential causes and possible solutions. Pedal application error has also been referred to under several different terms such as pedal confusion and sudden unintended acceleration. [...] 5.1 General considerations of the human factors evidence It is unclear why pedal application error events persist for a time, sometimes quite a long time, after the initial error and/or why they cannot be resolved by the driver. Three potential explanations were identified in the literature: · Perceptual narrowing (sometimes referred to as ‘tunnelling’) can occur due to the panic brought on by unintended acceleration. This tends to focus the driver’s attention on the features causing the panic and can lead to a decrease in the ability of a driver to process other information. This means that simple and effective actions which would be clear to any driver not under such stress (such as trying another pedal, taking their foot off the pedal or applying the handbrake), are not taken because the stress narrows the driver’s focus to the action(s) already being undertaken such as pressing the pedal harder and/or steering to avoid obstacles (Schmidt, 1989) o Panic is often seen as the most convincing reason behind the persistence of pedal application errors and is often referred to as ‘hypervigilance’ within the research community. It is commonly broken into three stages: Pedal application error causes a sudden and uncontrolled acceleration that cannot be prevented. This represents a very strong stimulus, which may or may not be linked with other factors such as increased engine noise (likely less of a factor for bus drivers with the engine at the rear of the vehicle or using electric vehicles). o The stimulus is perceived as life threatening. Drivers perceive that unintended/uncontrolled acceleration resulting in a collision is likely to have severe consequences for themselves and others. o The time in which those severe consequences will occur is likely to be short. · Habitual response under stress can explain why a driver continues pressing an accelerator pedal they believe to be a brake pedal. Habitual, well-practiced responses are learned through daily driving (for example hard braking for typical responses in traffic) and work well in ‘normal’ cases. However, in unusual and stressful cases (where panic is also involved) the habitual response may not be the correct one. Yeah this is definitely a thing. Remember reading in the media about an older woman who did the same thing in Guildford or somewhere like that. Hit the wrong pedal under stress (she had lost her way and didn't know the area). Think the police charged her too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cemeterycrow Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Recently released video recorded by attendee of the Liverpool parade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagdog19 Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 2 hours ago, cemeterycrow said: Recently released video recorded by attendee of the Liverpool parade I think this video definitely puts most of the conspiracy theories to bed. IMO it's a case of fight or flee, combined with drug induced paranoia. Tragic incident. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cemeterycrow Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 3 hours ago, wagdog19 said: I think this video definitely puts most of the conspiracy theories to bed. IMO it's a case of fight or flee, combined with drug induced paranoia. Tragic incident. As far as I'm aware the charges of driving while under the influence of drugs were withdrawn or at least don't show on the charge sheet that was released in the media. But yes the idea it was a staged event with crisis actors never held any sway with me, there are some who call everything fake no matter what the evidence. However I think there are still legitimate questions to be asked about the driver of this car, who he was and the conflicting photographs that are starting to appear plus the insistence on releasing his ethnicity so quickly. There was a car ramming in Leicester just the other day with the perpetrator described just as a 31 year old man. I guess we can assume he wasn't white. Of course it may just be as you say an ex marine freaked out because a few scousers were kicking his car and he ran over and injured over 80 people but something about that still doesn't add up to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campion Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 On 5/28/2025 at 11:11 PM, Campion said: The police are now claiming they are having a 'step change' in how they share information about suspects, after Southport. Their main reason being the threat of public disorder, so it's the public's fault for being concerned about who is committing attacks. "Police filled information void quickly Police were noticeably more open in sharing information with the public in the immediate aftermath of the incident. This followed criticism about the lack of information released by Merseyside Police after the Southport knife attacks last July, as well as how the disappearance of Nicola Bulley in January 2023 was handled by Lancashire Constabulary. One of Merseyside Police's former inspectors, Peter Williams, a senior lecturer in policing at Liverpool John Moores University, said the force had adopted a "complete step change" in how it shares information. " https://uk.news.yahoo.com/liverpool-parade-crash-latest-063103166.html Well, of course even this tiny concession to the race conscious was too good to be true. Another car hitting incident, in Leicester this time but with no quick announcement of the race of those arrested. Just called "men". "Leicester crash: Three arrested after car hits pedestrians following reports of fight Jabed Ahmed and Tara Cobham Sun 1 June 2025 at 9:50 am BST·2-min read Officers were called to De Montfort Street just after 12.30am on Saturday (Google ) Three people have been left with serious injuries after a car collided with a number of pedestrians in Leicester city centre in the early hours of Saturday morning, police have said. Three men have now been arrested after the collision in the city centre in the early hours of Saturday morning. Leicestershire Police said officers were called to De Montfort Street just after 12.30am following a report of a fight on the same road. Four people – two men and two women – were rushed to hospital following the incident. In an update issued late on Saturday, the force said three of the wounded remained in hospital in a serious but stable condition, while the fourth person suffered minor injuries. ADVERTISEMENT During the early hours of Saturday morning, a 31-year-old man, from Leicester, was arrested on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm with intent and causing serious injury by dangerous driving. On Saturday afternoon, two other men were arrested. A 28-year-old man, from Leicester, was arrested on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm with intent and causing serious injury by dangerous driving, while a 34-year-old man, from Leicester, was arrested on suspicion of affray. All three were in police custody on Saturday night. Police believe the suspects and the four victims had all been attending a private event nearby before the incident. The car involved in the collision was later found on a nearby street and recovered as part of the force’s investigation. " https://uk.news.yahoo.com/leicester-crash-man-arrested-car-102926662.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Slayer Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 George Galloway in his latest monologue tonight has also cast doubt on the official narrative. I'm no big fan of GG but he does shine a light once in a while. The video below, a few days old, also questions the rooftop snipers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saved Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 On 5/28/2025 at 10:15 PM, EnigmaticWorld said: More important things than putting Shankly on a pedestal. I don't give a damn about pro sports or celebs, sorry. I grew up supporting Liverpool but I didn't understand poiltics then. I can't stand them or sportsball these days, they're way too leftist and Liverpool fans are way too deracinated. The cult of the "footeh" needs to die, especially in Liverpool. https://www.tiktok.com/@amastar268/video/7498739115282795798 This isn't a purity spiral, I'm not telling others what to watch, but I simply don't care for the game anymore. My innocent memories of many hundreds of Wolves games stand but what a load of wank football is. It's a distraction, an idol that people cry over, kill over, kill themselves over, a vehicle for every perverse agenda going. Cricket has gone the same way and so has the Olympics, American sports - just about everything. You can't have an opening ceremony without some sort of occult ritual. I'm not convinced that Hillsborough wasn't a sacrificial event. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occulus5 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 4 hours ago, Saved said: My innocent memories of many hundreds of Wolves games stand but what a load of wank football is. It's a distraction, an idol that people cry over, kill over, kill themselves over, a vehicle for every perverse agenda going. Cricket has gone the same way and so has the Olympics, American sports - just about everything. You can't have an opening ceremony without some sort of occult ritual. I'm not convinced that Hillsborough wasn't a sacrificial event. I've never been into football or any other sport, just isn't my thing, it's all bread and circuses to me for the masses. I heard that football hooliganism only started in the 1960s, before then there wasn't any. Whether that's true I don't know. Yeah I would tend to agree that Hillsborough was a sacrificial event. I watched a great documentary not so long by Maud Dib called The Hillsborough Ripple Effect. Alot of the things he talked about relating the disaster made sense especially the need to have all seating at stadiums immediately after the event. Seems like it was allowed to happen and planned. Edited June 2 by Occulus5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1velocity7 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 6 minutes ago, Occulus5 said: I've never been into football or any other sport, just isn't my thing, it's all bread and circuses to me for the masses. I heard that football hooliganism only started in the 1960s, before then there wasn't any. Whether that's true I don't know. Yeah I would tend to agree that Hillsborough was a sacrificial event. I watched a great documentary not so long by Maud Dib called The Hillsborough Ripple Effect. Alot of the things he talked about relating the disaster made sense especially the need to have all seating at stadiums immediately after the event. Seems like it was allowed to happen and planned. seen the maub dib 7/7 ripple effect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluke Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 4 hours ago, Saved said: My innocent memories of many hundreds of Wolves games stand but what a load of wank football is. It's a distraction, an idol that people cry over, kill over, kill themselves over, a vehicle for every perverse agenda going. Cricket has gone the same way and so has the Olympics, American sports - just about everything. You can't have an opening ceremony without some sort of occult ritual. I'm not convinced that Hillsborough wasn't a sacrificial event. That's fine and I agree but it's still part of European culture. I don't like the thought of giving that away. Opening ceremonies are all occult rituals in one form or another. The days of my weekend being ruined after a game of multi millionaires losing at football have long gone. I won't go on about it here as I don't want to derail the thread, but I do think it's worth having this conversation do we as native Europeans want to just give it away. I know I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occulus5 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 12 hours ago, 1velocity7 said: seen the maub dib 7/7 ripple effect? I have yes. 7/7 Ripple Effect is excellent 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruithunter Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020member Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 I’ll personally be chalking this off as a Psy-Op that went wrong and/or fell short of the full effect and desired ramifications 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occulus5 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 On 6/5/2025 at 2:26 PM, 2020member said: I’ll personally be chalking this off as a Psy-Op that went wrong and/or fell short of the full effect and desired ramifications You may be right, but psyop for what reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
factJack Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 10 hours ago, Occulus5 said: You may be right, but psyop for what reason? war on the car perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numnuts Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 On 6/10/2025 at 2:49 AM, factJack said: war on the car perhaps? One thing that could come out of this, regardless of what 'this' was, is to give more weight to the idea of banning certain people from driving. Once you get the power to do that, then you can later expand it to include other types of people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 hours ago, numnuts said: One thing that could come out of this, regardless of what 'this' was, is to give more weight to the idea of banning certain people from driving. Once you get the power to do that, then you can later expand it to include other types of people. Oh they've already got this in mind. Wasn't it people on benefits who were gonna be targeted with the withdrawal of their driving license if they failed to meet some rule or other that they want to bring in? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 hours ago, Anti Facts Sir said: Oh they've already got this in mind. Wasn't it people on benefits who were gonna be targeted with the withdrawal of their driving license if they failed to meet some rule or other that they want to bring in? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/biggest-fraud-crackdown-in-a-generation 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Cheers Bomb, that's exactly what I was thinking of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numnuts Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, Anti Facts Sir said: Cheers Bomb, that's exactly what I was thinking of. I missed that one. I think this agenda will morph in to a stick and carrot approach on multiple fronts. Be a 'good' citizen and you can drive around, not too far from your home of course (come 2030), without any fuss. Just pay your fines, don't get any funny ideas about free-falling skyscrapers and never criticise the Israeli mafia etc.. It would also be easier for the PTB to harass de-vehicled persona non gratas, whenever they ventured outside. Edited June 18 by numnuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 It caught my attention (and spidey senses) at the time because it was so odd. Break the benefit rules and.....we'll stop you being able to drive around freely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Facts Sir Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 And now one of LIverpool's players is killed in a car accident. Anyone would think they're jinxed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluke Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Terrible news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluke Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 33 minutes ago, Anti Facts Sir said: Anyone would think they're jinxed. Don't give them a bigger chip than they already have the scousers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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