BREAKING: Terror Fears Over Deadly Incident As Car Speeds Into Crowd At Christmas Market In Germany

[Captainlove]

 

[Saved]

Saudi man arrested. Known to the authorities.

[Captainlove]

What a surprise. How are they always known to the authorities?

[Anti Facts Sir]

Same old script.

[Fluke]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14215759/Magdeburg-car-attack-Saudi-Arabia-doctor-ex-Muslim-Germany-Islamising-Europe.html#comments-14215759

 

Anti-muslim?  AFD supporting... Here we go

[Anti Facts Sir]

Scholz was given a no-confidence vote earlier this week. Coincidence?

[numnuts]

22 minutes ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

Scholz was given a no-confidence vote earlier this week. Coincidence?

 

Grandma Numnuts always used to tell me 'You can only bluff your way up to a certain point in life'. The PTB have already exceeded that point and, as I have said umpteen times, they are not going to just jog on quietly. The last thing that they can afford right now is to not be in control of the U.K./France/Germany front-men. Who knows what stunts they might resort to. Sigh.

 

[dumbcritic]

A certain (((small group))) is utilising mass migration to destroy Europe

 

 

[SoundOfSilence]

It's the Kalergi plan. A bit of Cloward and Piven too.

 

Most of the immigrants tend to be military aged males. At least from observing the long lines. I am sure government lies about the demographic breakdown.

 

Flood the zone with resentful Jihadis and then get them to witness their fellow Muslims being genocided in Palestine.

 

Then act shocked when a girl is stabbed or there are attacks on Christmas revelers.

[Mitochondrial Eve]

9 hours ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

Same old script.

 

Yep.

 

When I saw the story on Telegram this morning, initially I thought it was old news being dredged up. I remember the thread on the old forum about the truck attack at a Berlin Christmas market in 2016. It followed the Nice truck attack in July 2016.

 

 

Edited December 21, 2024 by Mitochondrial Eve

[Mr H]

16 hours ago, Fluke said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14215759/Magdeburg-car-attack-Saudi-Arabia-doctor-ex-Muslim-Germany-Islamising-Europe.html#comments-14215759

 

Anti-muslim?  AFD supporting... Here we go

He's also apparently a Tommy Robinson supporter

 

Surprised the man isn't a Welsh Christian choir boy.........

 

https://www.themirror.com/news/world-news/man-who-mowed-down-toddler-870900

 

"In a past interview the suspect expressed support for views of people like Elon Musk and currently incarcerated U.K. far-right extremist Tommy Robinson."

[Mitochondrial Eve]

17 hours ago, Fluke said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14215759/Magdeburg-car-attack-Saudi-Arabia-doctor-ex-Muslim-Germany-Islamising-Europe.html#comments-14215759

 

Anti-muslim?  AFD supporting... Here we go

 

The AFD angle is interesting.

 

The Daily Mail comments overwhelmingly call out the official line about Taleb al-Abdulmohsen's attack. Many commenters wonder why a man, who is supposedly an ex-Muslim and supportive of European values, would attack a Christmas market (in a similar vein to previous Islamic terror attacks) and point out that what we are being told doesn't make sense. Some have referred to Taqiyya which is a practice which can include hiding one's beliefs in non-Muslim nations.

 

Diametrically opposed are the less popular comments about the dangers of the far right and predictably smearing doubters of the narrative as Islamophobes. Taleb al-Abdulmohsen was, on the face of it, supportive of the likes of Tommy Robinson, Elon Musk and Alex Jones and it is being suggested that they should have egg on their face in light of this event.

 

In the aftermath of the Southport stabbings, we were told that Axel Rudakubana was not an Islamist but rather a Welsh, Christian choir boy. That was, until an Al-Qaeda training manual was supposedly found within his possession.

 

Like Axel Rudakabana who had a part in Doctor Who, Taleb al-Abdulmohsen has appeared in a BBC documentary. One may wonder why both are connected to the BBC.
 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/magdeburg-christmas-market-attack-suspect-34357239

 

I can only speculate about what might be going on but division is a given. Both the Southport and Magdeburg events seem orchestrated to inflame tensions within Europe when it comes to mass immigration. Yet both cases also provide lefties with a narrative to condemn those on the opposite side of the spectrum and further insult people with valid grievances about immigration policies.

 

What is different from the terror attacks of years gone by is that the overlords are now seemingly downplaying or hiding the possibility that they are product of Islamic extremism. The previous script was that Islamic terrorists were always responsible. Why this change of tack?

 

I am not saying that Southport or Magdeburg are hoaxes but they do have the feel of state operations to me as did previous attacks such as 9/11 and 7/7. Outright fear previously seemed to be the sought after public reaction with people looking for protection from governments and strengthened terror laws. However, more recent events have extra infusions of gaslighting, confusion, frustration and anger whilst preventing open expression of discontent through fear of censorship and jail time. The public are being wound up and becoming increasingly angry with those in power rather than holding out hope for their protection when the problem has been their doing.

 

Europe is increasingly turning to the right which I suspect has been the plan all along with Nigel Farage quite possibly installed as Prime Minister in the UK to complement his buddy Trump in the US. I am not sure to what end but Dr Niall McCrae piqued my interest in a UNN interview with David Clews. I can't say I particularly trust either of them but McCrae did have an interesting theory about why he thinks mass immigration has been allowed by our governments. In short, negative public opinion towards immigrants will be appeased by conscripting the fighting age male immigrants and sending them off to wars in the Middle East to advance the Zionist right wing agenda in that region.

 

https://rumble.com/v5zm2he-they-are-gearing-up-for-something-very-ominous.html

[Campion]

4 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Europe is increasingly turning to the right which I suspect has been the plan all along with Nigel Farage quite possibly installed as Prime Minister in the UK to complement his buddy Trump in the US. I am not sure to what end but Dr Niall McCrae piqued my interest in a UNN interview with David Clews. I can't say I particularly trust either of them but McCrae did have an interesting theory about why he thinks mass immigration has been allowed by our governments. In short, negative public opinion towards immigrants will be appeased by conscripting the fighting age male immigrants and sending them off to wars in the Middle East to advance the Zionist right wing agenda in that region.

 

https://rumble.com/v5zm2he-they-are-gearing-up-for-something-very-ominous.html

  

Interesting perspective and it's clear that there are two types of right-wing ie pro and anti zio, and it's the pro-zio faction which is being promoted as the antithesis to the woke/liberal/globalist thesis.  In the past it was things like sport and music which was how immigration was sold to us.  But now we're seeing the engineering of more middle east wars, together with a well publicised shortage of recruits in the military, then by magic there's all these military age migrants coming over here. 

[Captainlove]

What a sad realm this is. What the hell is going on. Are they really after some kind of faceoff between the religions.

[Mr H]

19 minutes ago, Campion said:

  

Interesting perspective and it's clear that there are two types of right-wing ie pro and anti zio, and it's the pro-zio faction which is being promoted as the antithesis to the woke/liberal/globalist thesis.  In the past it was things like sport and music which was how immigration was sold to us.  But now we're seeing the engineering of more middle east wars, together with a well publicised shortage of recruits in the military, then by magic there's all these military age migrants coming over here. 

According to Dr Professor Sachs. Israel gave US list of 7 countries to invade/fk up. So far 6/7 have been completed with only Iran outstanding. I think the recent middle east interference was part of this long term plan and I wouldn't be surprised to see the desire for war in the middle east die down once they've done with Iran. I.e. I'm not sure there's any plans after that.

 

"If you look at the list in Netanyahu’s book in 1996, Fighting Terrorism, or you look at the Clean Break strategy, which was US political consultants advising or drafting Netanyahu’s game plan in 1996, or you look at the list of countries that the Bush administration planned to conquer after 9 /11, this is a long-standing playbook. There’s a famous episode of General Wesley Clark, the former NATO commander, being shown a piece of paper just after 9/11 in 2001, when Clark was at the Pentagon, and the paper said: We’re going to invade seven countries in five years. The list was Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Somalia, Libya, and Sudan. Well, low and behold, every one of those countries has been the object of a US war or a US proxy war since then, with one exception, partial exception, and that’s Iran."

 

https://znetwork.org/znetarticle/jeffrey-sachs-on-the-fall-of-syria-and-need-for-peace-in-palestine-and-ukraine/

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2003/9/22/us-plans-to-attack-seven-muslim-states

 

 

[Grumpy Owl]

City market reviews security after Germany attack

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One of the UK's biggest Christmas markets said it had reviewed its security processes after the attack in Germany.

Five people were killed and more than 200 injured after a car drove into a crowd at a Christmas market in Magdeburg on Friday, officials say.

Birmingham's Frankfurt Christmas Market, which attracts millions of people each year, said security was "robust". It added following discussions with a police security advisor "no changes are required and all staff remain vigilant".

PA Media said it understood there was no specific intelligence indicating a threat to a Christmas market in the UK.

The threat level for the whole of the UK remains at substantial, meaning an attack is likely.

"Birmingham's Frankfurt Christmas Market has a robust security concept that is the result of multi-agency planning that includes police security and counter-terrorism specialists," said a joint statement from Frankfurt Christmas Market Ltd and Kurt Stroscher of Frankfurt City Council.

from: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9836295dq2o

 

Given that its become extremely difficult to drive around Birmingham city centre, and at any speed, at any time of the year, I'm not surprised that this is anything to be concerned about here.

 

I do feel that the word "robust" has become some kind of 'keyword' or buzzword though.

 

They're still keen on people living in fear though.

[Mr H]

Two tier policing in Germany

 

 

 

 

 

[Anti Facts Sir]

2 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

What is different from the terror attacks of years gone by is that the overlords are now seemingly downplaying or hiding the possibility that they are product of Islamic extremism. The previous script was that Islamic terrorists were always responsible. Why this change of tack?

 

 

Very good point. Maybe because immigration/infiltration of Western Europe is now farther along than before, or simply that the agenda has shifted...or they just want to carry on making the public fearful and confused, and now they don't really care whether any of it makes sense. Let the masses argue amongst themselves about it.

[1velocity7]

22 hours ago, Captainlove said:

What a surprise. How are they always known to the authorities?

cos they on the payroll

[Fluke]

3 hours ago, Mr H said:

Surprised the man isn't a Welsh Christian choir boy.........

Rumours are now circulating that he absolutely loves Christmas markets and is a regular attendee each year... His current residence has been supposedly raided and there's a big fat inflatable father Christmas. 

 

I'm sorry to be so silly after such a tragedy. I'm just, like a lot of people, sick of the gas-lighting. I guess I'll take myself away from this thread until I can add something sensible and constructive.

[numnuts]

2 hours ago, Mr H said:

According to Dr Professor Sachs. Israel gave US list of 7 countries to invade/fk up. So far 6/7 have been completed with only Iran outstanding. I think the recent middle east interference was part of this long term plan and I wouldn't be surprised to see the desire for war in the middle east die down once they've done with Iran. I.e. I'm not sure there's any plans after that.

 

I always found it strange that a load of Israeli/Israeli-connected people just happened to be in the U.K. on 9/11, which was also handy for them to be able to dish out their 'State hit list' that very evening. Barak didn't need to mention Afghanistan, as the U.S. had started dropping bombs there the same day. So, we have Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Libya and North Korea, plus 'one or more others' or whatever it was he mumbled. He probably meant Syria and Lebanon. So, it isn't just Iran outstanding, it is Iran and North Korea.  

 

BBC Newsnight from September 11th 2001.

 

https://youtu.be/X60csSUkyWE?feature=shared&t=3457 (Unembeddable.)

 

Four hours or so of BBC coverage from the evening of September 11th 2001. Plenty of mentions of 'rogue states' that 'must be dealt with'. Plus, funnily enough, more Israeli/Israeli-connected people putting in some appearances.

 

 

Edited December 21, 2024 by numnuts

[Anti Facts Sir]

If only all this incriminating archive footage could be wiped from the face of the earth, eh.

[Mr H]

An interesting chronology version of events

 

 

 

 

[Mr H]

I dunno man. Bit weird.

Like the Trump assasin was in a blackrock ad. Wasn't the Southport lad in Dr Who on the Beeb, now this dude has also been on the beeb...

 

It's all a bit weird

 

 

 

 

[Mr H]

Interesting to Rd news from around the world

 

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/ex-muslims-claim-germany-magdeburg-christmas-market-attack-saudi-atheist-warn-of-taqiyyah-conspiracy-2653579-2024-12-22

 

Ex-Muslims claim Germany Christmas market attacker isn't ex-Muslim, warn of bigger plot

Taleb Al Abdulmohsen, the 50-year-old who killed 5 people and injured 200 at a Christmas market in Germany isn't an ex-Muslim, claim other ex-Muslims, some of whom have known him for years. They say the Saudi attacker was using the Islamic concept of taqiyya to hide his identity, and warn of a bigger conspiracy.

 

An attacker ploughed a black BMW into a crowded Christmas market in the German town of Magdeburg, killing five people and injuring 200 others. As 100 of the critically injured were battling for their lives, information trickled in about the attacker, Taleb Al Abdulmohsen or Taleb Abdul Jawad. A 50-year-old Saudi Shia refugee, Taleb worked as a doctor and claimed to be an ex-Muslim atheist. The information didn't add up for many and a large section of ex-Muslims are claiming that Taleb wasn't an ex-Muslim at all, and it was a big conspiracy.

 

The ex-Muslims are claiming that Taleb was a Shia extremist who carefully nurtured this atheist image over the years to hoodwink everyone, using the concept and licence of taqiyyah to further his Islamist goals.

 

Taleb's curious case has taken experts by surprise.

 

 

After 25 years in this business you think nothing could surprise you any more. But a 50-year-old Saudi ex-Muslim who lives in East Germany, loves the AfD (Alternative for Germany) and wants to punish Germany for its tolerance towards Islamists — that really wasn’t on my radar,” says Peter Neumann, a German terrorism expert.

"If anything, the Magdeburg attacker Taleb A was far right: a self-declared Islam-hating, ex-Muslim atheist, who despised German society not for being against Islam but facilitating its spread," says Neumann.

Is Taleb really an ex-Muslim doctor backing the anti-immigration AfD and a fan of right-wing Tesla boss Elon Musk? Or is this what the attacker wants us to believe he is?

 

Would it be an ex-Muslim or an Islamic extremist who would target a Christmas market, and in effect Christians, ex-Muslims are asking. They are also asking if Taleb had put on the ex-Muslim garb just to facilitate his asylum or was it part of some bigger devious plan.

 

WHO ARE EX-MUSLIMS? WHY DO THEY LEAD A DOUBLE LIFE?

But first let's understand who ex-Muslims are.

 

A section of people leaving Islam prefer being termed ex-Muslim. Unlike religions like Christianity or Hinduism, Islam punishes apostacy by death.

 

Hundreds of thousands of people had to risk their lives, sever ties with family and leave their countries just because they chose to leave their faith -- Islam.

 

Some of the biggest critics of Islam have now emerged from among the ex-Muslims, who have gone and questioned the clergy on certain religious practices. Ex-Muslims support one another and have built a big community, thanks to the anonymity and safety provided by the internet.

 

Millions of ex-Muslims have renounced their faith clandestinely and live a double life even without letting close family members into this secret.

 

For Taleb, claiming to be an ex-Muslim might have helped.

 

Taleb, the Christmas market attacker, is a Shia Muslim who fled Sunni-majority Saudi Arabia and sought asylum in Germany in 2006.

There were charges of terrorism, rape and smuggling girls from the Middle East to EU countries against Taleb in Saudi Arabia, according to reports.

Taleb said he was an ex-Muslim atheist, a factor that could get him persecuted in Saudi Arabia. He was given refugee status in 2016.

There were dozens of people, including ex-Muslims, claiming that Taleb used the ex-Muslim tag to get asylum.

"Taleb Al Abdulmohsen is not an atheist. He is a Shia extremist. Just because a Muslim self identifies as an atheist or claims to have converted to Christianity doesn't mean it's the truth," said Mahyar Tousi, founder of Yousi TV, an online alternative news platform.

Despite requests by Saudi Arabia for Taleb's extradition, Germany refused to hand him over to him, fearing for his wellbeing there. This, even as Taleb repeatedly kept attacking Germany and its police force on social media.

German authorities didn't act despite being alerted by a woman that Taleb was threatening to carry out a terror attack.

That could all be because of the image he developed over the years in Germany. Even the big media were deceived by his guile.

HOW TALEB BUILT EX-MUSLIM PERSONA OVER THE YEARS

On social media, Taleb Al Abdulmohsen regularly shared posts on anti-Islam themes and engaged with other ex-Muslims.

 

In 2019, the BBC featured him in a documentary titled 'Helping ex-Muslims flee the Gulf'. It focused on how a website set up by him was helping ex-Muslims "flee persecution in their Gulf homelands".

 

In the video, Taleb said how he, at times, worked for 16 hours a day to help ex-Muslims escape Middle East countries. He said 90% of the requests for help were from women.

 

"I am history's most aggressive critic of Islam. If you don't believe me, ask the Arabs," he told Germany's FAZ newspaper, highlighting his ex-Muslim credentials.

 

EX-MUSLIMS QUESTION CHRISTMAS MARKET ATTACKER'S CLAIM

A section of ex-Muslims, including those who interacted with Taleb, alleged that the Saudi attacker used the atheist image to hide his nefarious actions.

 

"He acted ex-Muslim on the outside, while in DMs he threatened ex-Muslims, especially Saudi women who had fled," said Ali Utlu, a Germany-based ex-Muslim atheist.

 

Utlu said that Taleb had also repeatedly attacked him "because I wanted nothing more to do with him after 2018" and that he blocked him on X in May.

 

Yasmine Mohammed, a Canada-born ex-Muslim activist and author, said she knew Taleb for years from online interactions, and he didn't seem "stable" to her.

 

"He [Taleb] obsessively went after an ex-Muslim Saudi woman. He wanted my help in ‘exposing’ her and turned aggressive when I wouldn’t comply. Friends have shared with me that he was targeting other Saudi female activists as well," said Yasmine Mohammed, a Canada-born ex-Muslim activist and author.

 

"There is suspicion now that he was actually working with Saudi authorities to bring down Saudi female activists. And although I cannot confirm this obviously, I will say that this theory aligns with my experience and exchanges with him," added Yasmine.

 

 

Taleb supported the Alternative for Germany (AfD), a far-right political party that has a tough anti-immigration stance. This, despite Taleb being a refugee and trying to get other ex-Muslims into Germany.

 

That Tayeb's use of the ex-Muslim tag could be part of a bigger conspiracy was voiced by people like Mahyar Tousi of Yousi TV who said it was a clear case of Islamic taqiyya or taqiyyah.

 

DID CHRISTMAS MARKET ATTACKER USE CONCEPT OF TAQIYYAH?

Iranian-German entrepreneur Maral Salmassi posted a video explainer trashing "claims made by the German press" that Taleb was an ex-Muslim atheist, a fan of the AfD and Tesla boss Elon Musk.

 

"While he may have spread this misinformation himself, it aligns with the practice of Taqqiye, an Islamic doctrine that permits lying and deception to advance Islamic objectives," claimed Salmassi in the video.

 

Britannica explains taqiyya or taqiyyah as an Islamic practice of "concealing one’s faith and forgoing ordinary religious duties under threat of death or injury to oneself or one’s fellow Muslims". It says its basis is found in the Quran.

 

"It has since been practised mostly among minority groups, particularly those of the Shi'ite (Shia) branch," says Britannica.

 

Taleb was a Shia Muslim.

 

It is possible, suggest the ex-Muslims, that Taleb was acting as a mole in their community all these years, and, as one of the last acts, launched the terror attack at the Magdeburg Christmas market in a bid to endanger the entire community.

 

Ex-Muslim influencer Brother Rachid gave another recent example where a Muslim had claimed to have converted to Christianity but the truth was revealed after his death.

 

"Abdul Shokoor Ezedi, an Afghan migrant, applied for asylum in the UK, claiming a false conversion to Christianity. He even underwent baptism to bolster his claim," said Rachid.

 

"After being granted asylum, he was implicated in multiple crimes, including sexual assaults and a chemical attack on a woman and her children," he said.

 

Ezedi's body was found in the Thames in February, weeks after the chemical attack.

 

"Following his death, it was revealed that a mosque held an Islamic funeral for him, casting further doubt on the authenticity of his claimed conversion," said Brother Rachid, adding, "This doesn’t mean that there are no real conversions."

 

It's not without reason that anti-terror expert Peter Neumann is surprised by the Magdeburg Christmas market attacker's profile. The case of Taleb Al Abdulmohsen or Taleb Abdul Jawad is a curious one. There is an image that Taleb has been projecting, which has been accepted by German officials but is being junked by ex-Muslims who knew him for years. Whatever the truth, it needs to be ascertained.