UAPs in New Jersey U.S.A.

[SoundOfSilence]

8 minutes ago, theo102 said:

Maybe the USSR didn't get them all.

 

Zelensky's appeals don't mean that they never had them.

 

Occam's Razor dictates that the explanation with the least assumptions is the one to be preferred.

 

We know the nukes never belonged to Ukraine but the Soviet Union.

 

Therefore, you have to assume that the Soviet Union is incapable of counting its nukes. A very far-fetched assumption.

 

Then you have to assume that Elensky had a reason for begging the West for Nukes when he had them all along. Other than the fact he is a drug crazed cocaine addict who plays the piano with his penis.

 

Then you have to assume that the nuke went missing and made its way to the US.

 

That's three assumptions you don't need if you accept the Ukraine never had nukes. To conclude they never had them you just follow the facts.

 

8 minutes ago, theo102 said:

 

Unlikely since Iran has disavowed producing them. But they have the infrastructure to do so.

 

Dirty bombs are different to a traditional nuke.

 

The article does include a bit of nonsense, like Iran being the number one sponsor of terror, but it does delve into the concern surrounding the suitcase nuke.

 

Does Iran Really Prefer Nuclear Missiles To Suitcase Nukes? | Investor's Business Daily

 

8 minutes ago, theo102 said:

Particle density diminishes according to the inverse square law (like light), so the closer to the ground the better.
 

That was my point. If they are flying low, searching for nukes, then they would not interfere with air traffic. And wouldn't need big here I am lights.

 

Plus, air control would be told to divert plane routes.

[theo102]

1 minute ago, SoundOfSilence said:

Therefore, you have to assume that the Soviet Union is incapable of counting its nukes. A very far-fetched assumption.

 

From you.com:

 

Although the nuclear weapons themselves were accounted for through international agreements, concerns were raised about nuclear materials and technologies that could potentially be misappropriated or sold on the black market.

 

6 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

Then you have to assume that the nuke went missing and made its way to the US.

Maybe the technology and materials were used by a rogue state to produce weapons that were not subject to any non-proliferation treaty.

 

8 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

That was my point. If they are flying low, searching for nukes, then they would not interfere with air traffic. And wouldn't need big here I am lights.

 

Flying low will still interfere with helicopters that are transporting people to hospital.

 

 

The mysterious drones that have been flying over the Northeast led to shutting down the runways of Stewart International Airport Friday night, prompting Gov. Hochul to demand the feds step in. (NY Post)

 

 

 

[SoundOfSilence]

28 minutes ago, theo102 said:

From you.com:

 

Although the nuclear weapons themselves were accounted for through international agreements, concerns were raised about nuclear materials and technologies that could potentially be misappropriated or sold on the black market.

 

Okay, but that is different to a missing nuke.

 

Which is the point I responded to.

 

28 minutes ago, theo102 said:

 

Maybe the technology and materials were used by a rogue state to produce weapons that were not subject to any non-proliferation treaty.

 

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

 

28 minutes ago, theo102 said:

 

Flying low will still interfere with helicopters that are transporting people to hospital.

 

 

The mysterious drones that have been flying over the Northeast led to shutting down the runways of Stewart International Airport Friday night, prompting Gov. Hochul to demand the feds step in. (NY Post)

 

 

 

I'm not saying I know.

 

All I am doing is pointing out potential holes in the explanations I have seen.

 

Just to explain why I am leaning towards the fake alien invasion psyop theory.

 

But I could be totally wrong.

[Katsika]

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14194229/Trump-insider-claims-drones-governments-Project-Blue-Beam-coming-days-not-good.html

 

Trump insider claims drones are part of government's Project Blue Beam: 'The coming days will not be good'

[theo102]

38 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

Just to explain why I am leaning towards the fake alien invasion psyop theory.

 

But I could be totally wrong.

I haven't settled on a preferred theory yet. New stuff coming in all the time.

 

Edited December 15, 2024 by theo102

[SoundOfSilence]

5 minutes ago, theo102 said:

I haven't settled on a preferred theory yet. New stuff coming in all the time.

 

I am certainly ready to change my mind on additional evidence.

 

I would say, whatever it turns out to be, it's unlikely to be good.

[webtrekker]

Just a thought...

 

Why would enemy drones need lights?

 

They don't appear to be landing or lighting up an area for surveillance.

[lobster]

15 minutes ago, webtrekker said:

Just a thought...

 

Why would enemy drones need lights?

 

They don't appear to be landing or lighting up an area for surveillance.

It's a very good question, the only reasonable answer to which so they can be seen from the ground!

Which doesn't clear it up much other than who ever is doing it wants to be seen

If they are enemy drones and they are not attacking, then the only reason to do it is to spread fear, so lights are needed

Edited December 15, 2024 by lobster

[Freaky Dragonfly]

 

[Fifth element]

Its all a cover story that even most on here will agree..

But cover story for what is where things get very interesting..

Alien invasion?So something is supposed to happen on 3rd of December according to a prophecy , people online says it's going to be a UFO battle in the skies like the Nuremberg incident. Considering the amount of UFO sightings in past few weeks, could be something.The UFOs are now flying over New Jersey! https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message5864358/pg1 The Predicted Alien Spaceships are in our Skies Right Now Ready in Position for an Epic Battle! Expect Pandemonium! https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message5864266/pg1

https://www.tiktok.com/discover/cliff-high-predictions-dec-3-2024 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web Web Bot is an internet bot computer program whose developers claim is able to predict future events by tracking keywords entered on the internet. It was developed in 1997, originally to predict stock market trends. The creator of the Web Bot Project, Clif High, along with his associate George Ure, keep the technology and algorithms largely secret and sell the predictions via the website.

 

Clif High's Web Bot program has been used from the start to predict what the establishment already had planned, thus his apparent prediction accuracy. The December 3 date was planned months ago..

Still ongoing in New Jersey?  ‘Alarming’ US Mystery Drones Confound Officials, Scare Locals December 12, 2024 https://insiderpaper.com/alarming-us-mystery-drones-confound-officials-scare-locals/ A rash of unexplained drone sightings in the skies above New Jersey has left locals rattled and sent US officials scrambling for answers. For weeks now, the distinctive blinking lights and whirling rotors of large unmanned aerial vehicles have been spotted across the state west of New York. But military brass, elected representatives and investigators have been unable to explain the recurring UFO phenomenon.

Purple glow observed in the sky over Egypt. 12/08/2024..

One of many new sightings in the skies..

Taken in Wyoming county West Virginia!

[lobster]

50 minutes ago, Fifth element said:

Its all a cover story that even most on here will agree..

But cover story for what is where things get very interesting..

Alien invasion?So something is supposed to happen on 3rd of December according to a prophecy , people online says it's going to be a UFO battle in the skies like the Nuremberg incident. Considering the amount of UFO sightings in past few weeks, could be something.The UFOs are now flying over New Jersey! https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message5864358/pg1 The Predicted Alien Spaceships are in our Skies Right Now Ready in Position for an Epic Battle! Expect Pandemonium! https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message5864266/pg1

https://www.tiktok.com/discover/cliff-high-predictions-dec-3-2024 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web Web Bot is an internet bot computer program whose developers claim is able to predict future events by tracking keywords entered on the internet. It was developed in 1997, originally to predict stock market trends. The creator of the Web Bot Project, Clif High, along with his associate George Ure, keep the technology and algorithms largely secret and sell the predictions via the website.

 

Clif High's Web Bot program has been used from the start to predict what the establishment already had planned, thus his apparent prediction accuracy. The December 3 date was planned months ago..

Still ongoing in New Jersey?  ‘Alarming’ US Mystery Drones Confound Officials, Scare Locals December 12, 2024 https://insiderpaper.com/alarming-us-mystery-drones-confound-officials-scare-locals/ A rash of unexplained drone sightings in the skies above New Jersey has left locals rattled and sent US officials scrambling for answers. For weeks now, the distinctive blinking lights and whirling rotors of large unmanned aerial vehicles have been spotted across the state west of New York. But military brass, elected representatives and investigators have been unable to explain the recurring UFO phenomenon.

Purple glow observed in the sky over Egypt. 12/08/2024..

One of many new sightings in the skies..

T

Taken in Wyoming county West Virginia!

I doubt the pentagon doesn't know what they are. They have just decided not to tell the public. Possibly not the Whitehouse.

 

Of my list of possibles alien invasion is right at the bottom. A fake alien invasion on the other hand seems not unlikely

Edited December 15, 2024 by lobster

[Fifth element]

Of course in the UK theres not much chance of seeing all these lights in the skies..

As every day lately has been cloudy..

[webtrekker]

2 hours ago, Fifth element said:

Of course in the UK theres not much chance of seeing all these lights in the skies..

As every day lately has been cloudy..

 

Alien invasions in the UK grnerally come by rubber boats! URB's!

[Fifth element]

It seems to be instead of the fake alien invasion they decided to go for the fake drone invasion but with advance technology..seeing some of the latest videos just come out..

 

Yes Uaps are very real as thats what all this so called dark matter/invisible matter is thriving with life...99.99% its extremely otherworldly out there in the aether..

 

[1velocity7]

4 hours ago, Fifth element said:

Of course in the UK theres not much chance of seeing all these lights in the skies..

As every day lately has been cloudy..

its too bloody cold to stand out looking up waiting for something to fly by

 

the last 2 days ive been driving in the evening and theres been this strange star in the sky.

i looks elongated with 3 points of light. it just looks odd

Edited December 15, 2024 by 1velocity7

[theo102]

25 minutes ago, 1velocity7 said:

its too bloody cold to stand out looking up waiting for something to fly by

 

the last 2 days ive been driving in the evening and theres been this strange star in the sky.

i looks elongated with 3 points of light. it just looks odd

 

Can you find it on a star map?

https://stellarium-web.org/

[theo102]

High radiation counts in New York...

 

https://www.gmcmap.com/

[Ralph Greene]

This reminded me of an article I read in 2007, a New York Radiation Hotspot being pipointed to the Israelli Embassy.

Now I would guess the authorities would have continued to montitor what they were concerned might be one of Israels Suitcase Nukes.

I wonder what they would do if one day they suddenly found it was no longer there?

Maybe they would go all out in a search to see where it had gone?

Would also explain why they cannot admit to the American Public why they have suddenly gone on a desperate search and the reasons why.

Also comes at a time when Israel might well want to trick America into fighting another of their wars, their hands are quite full at the moment.

 

[Athenry04]

Bluebeam

[SoundOfSilence]

The Continuity of Government plan White House Continuity Of Government Plan and National Coop Exercise

 

From the White House web page [my emphasis]:

 

Executive Powers

In 2012, President Obama issued two Executive Orders that will greatly expand the presidential powers in the event of a national emergency.

The March 2012 Executive Order gives the President the authority to commandeer all U.S. domestic resources, including food and water, and seize all energy and transportation infrastructure within the United States. The order also allows authorizes the U.S. Government to force its citizens to fulfill labor requirements for the purposes of national defense.

The July 2012 Executive Order gives the Department of Homeland Security authority over private communication networks in emergency situations.

 

A national emergency is essentially anything that that threatens the USA and calls for an immediate response. The USA being under attack by a swarm of drones would fit the bill.

 

NORAD and NorthCom conducted exercise Vigilant Shield which included space warfare as part of the drill.

 

NORAD and U.S. Northern Command will conduct exercise VIGILANT SHIELD 23 > North American Aerospace Defense Command > Press Releases

 

True, these sorts of exercises can be routine. Though equally true is the fact that training exercises are part of a lot of false flags.

 

The questions I have are:

1. Why conceal UFO information from the public for decades, only to reveal it now?

2. Clearly, whoever is operating the drones, blue beam, whatever it is, wants the public to see it. Why?

3. The press conferences are designed to instill fear. We don't know what it is but it's safe. Knowing that the public will not believe them and will draw the threat conclusion. Why?

 

To me this suggests a psyop being rolled out to scare the public so the Biden regime can declare a national emergency and invoke the continuity of government.

 

Who knows, they may even pop Trump on a plane as part for the COG and have it show down.

 

 

[SoundOfSilence]

5 hours ago, theo102 said:

High radiation counts in New York...

 

https://www.gmcmap.com/

There is the possibility of a false flag nuclear attack to be blamed on Russia. Kick off WWWIII.

 

Even though these things all have a unique signature which points to the source of the enriched uranium, or other element, the US will have already responded by the time the IAEA can identify the true source as being the US.

[theo102]

2 hours ago, SoundOfSilence said:

1. Why conceal UFO information from the public for decades, only to reveal it now?

2. Clearly, whoever is operating the drones, blue beam, whatever it is, wants the public to see it. Why?

3. The press conferences are designed to instill fear. We don't know what it is but it's safe. Knowing that the public will not believe them and will draw the threat conclusion. Why?

 

 

1 & 2 makes sense in anticipation of Trump's promise to declassify relevant information.

3 makes sense in terms of an agenda that seeks to prevent Trump from changing the status quo - i.e. continue the old policy regardless of the dissconnect in government messaging. The disconnect could cause uncertainty or fear.

 

 

[theo102]

 

[theo102]

 

[SoundOfSilence]

1 hour ago, theo102 said:

 

 

1 & 2 makes sense in anticipation of Trump's promise to declassify relevant information.

 

For that to make sense, in the context, you would have to hold the view that the drones are being released to cover up classified UFO activity.

 

As far as I am aware, no one is making that argument.

 

Nevertheless, the argument is problematic.

 

First, it is the equivalent of "I'm about to be charged with a crime so I'd better confess." As opposed to "I'm going to lawyer up."

 

Besides, the acknowledgment of UFOs by the government happened before Trump was elected. So that certainly isn't an explanation for my first question.

 

Further, if it was drones to cover up real UFOs then that ruse would fall apart as soon as Trump did declassify. The drones would be inconsistent with the files.

 

So that doesn't make sense. At least to me.

 

1 hour ago, theo102 said:

3 makes sense in terms of an agenda that seeks to prevent Trump from changing the status quo - i.e. continue the old policy regardless of the dissconnect in government messaging. The disconnect could cause uncertainty or fear.

 

 

I don't see that at all. What, so terrify the public so it won't demand answers?

 

The conflicting press conferences were part of a clever psyop.

 

Saying we don't know what they are, but we do know that they pose no threat. Well, if you don't know what it is you can't possibly know it isn't a threat?

 

Then drop little snippets like "these are not drones coming from a foreign entity or adversary".

 

Pentagon says mystery New Jersey drones not from Iranian 'mothership' 

 

As for the Iranian mothership lunacy I suspect Van Drew's Israeli donors got in on the act and told him to blame Iran.

 

What, no fighter jets deployed?

 

The US deployed fighter jets to shoot down a Chinese weather balloon. Yet a UFO that they don't know what it is, other than it is not a foreign aircraft, yeah that's fine. Knock yourselves out little grey guys. Have a tour of our airports and military bases. Remember to turn the lights out when you leave ...

 

The government knows that most of the public no longer believe anything it says. So rather than say, yeah, it's an alien invasion, it's a bad one, sorry guys, there's nothing we can do to stop it. Nice knowing yah!

 

The message is a conflicting one with the intention that people will see a lie and draw that conclusion for themselves.

 

It is to frighten the public into believing there is an alien invasion that is being covered up.

 

This is a very obvious psyop.