Case for religion

[Mr H]

2 hours ago, JONJAY79 said:

At the anti lockdown march/demo there seemed to be left wing against left wing as plenty of left wing anarchists marched in the anti lockdown demo and they were all called fascist and nazi scum by anti from the pro lockdown group very confusing times 

Infact the anti lockdown demo/March attracted anarchists, patriots, Christians, Muslims, Hindu Catholic nun's. 

 

It looked silly branding them all fascist, racist nazi from a mainly white liberal middle class antifa group. 

Yeah I think the left have been done up like a kipper. They've been pushed aside and in its place is, well don't know what to.call.them, anti- humanists? Satanists? Certainly got zero interest in working classes and hold anti.liberal values...

 

Wow. It ( the demo) sounds like an incredible experience and great to see all faces colors and creeds united...

[JONJAY79]

5 hours ago, Mr H said:

Yeah I think the left have been done up like a kipper. They've been pushed aside and in its place is, well don't know what to.call.them, anti- humanists? Satanists? Certainly got zero interest in working classes and hold anti.liberal values...

 

Wow. It ( the demo) sounds like an incredible experience and great to see all faces colors and creeds united...

Look at someone like Tony Benn a labour man who sways spoke about the 1% controlling 80% of resources. In todays labour party Tony Benn would be called a conspiracy theorist or even altright 

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 11/17/2024 at 1:01 PM, JONJAY79 said:

Been to  few quaker meetings in the past anyone can speak and offer words of encouragement. Very free to question things and actually encouraged. 

 

I've been on an online one and found the companionable silence refreshing, and when someone ministers its done humbly and not a judgemental "sermon."

[Infinate_sorrow]

I'm sorry but religion is not a glue 

Spirituality is much more effective. 

A good example is the 12 step programs take on Spirituality which is actually taken from ouspensky's 4th way. 

Ie alchemy. 

The difference being that the 12 steps don't get into the real meat and potatoes, if they did you wouldn't need to keep going since you teach a point where addiction no longer has a hold on you following the 4th way. 

The biggest difference being in 12 step programs they respect each individuals concept of the divinity. 

All religions teach us to be powerless, even the 12 steps teach powerlessness, 

How are we as a species going to take our power back if we are powerless?

The purest expression of faith in the divinity is by having faith in oneself. 

Try that on for size

 

As far as glue?

Be impeccable with your word

Always do your best

Live and let live

Never t take yourself or life too seriously 

Only those whom strive to awaken their consciousness will achieve such

To awaken one must have vision

You move towards and become like that which you focus on

Conflict proceeds clarity

The spirit and intent with which you project is precisely the spirit and intent that will return 

Only those willing and able to defend their way of life will remain free to pursue that way of life

Always respect the law of free will

 

There you go everything a culture needs to break free of their chains zero religious dogma. Each of those are principles fluid and apply in every case

Any culture

Any race, beliefs Etc. 

In no case is their any brainwashing nor psycho-spiritual rape involved

 

Last but not least,  seeking freedom is an act of war,  if you are not fighting tooth and nail to achieve freedom,  then you are not even remotely on the correct path. Sorry but Spirituality is not for the weak and if you aren't in conflict then you aren't striving enough,  your following the beaten path which means food for the reptiles

[JONJAY79]

On 12/3/2024 at 4:47 PM, Infinate_sorrow said:

I'm sorry but religion is not a glue 

Spirituality is much more effective. 

A good example is the 12 step programs take on Spirituality which is actually taken from ouspensky's 4th way. 

Ie alchemy. 

The difference being that the 12 steps don't get into the real meat and potatoes, if they did you wouldn't need to keep going since you teach a point where addiction no longer has a hold on you following the 4th way. 

The biggest difference being in 12 step programs they respect each individuals concept of the divinity. 

All religions teach us to be powerless, even the 12 steps teach powerlessness, 

How are we as a species going to take our power back if we are powerless?

The purest expression of faith in the divinity is by having faith in oneself. 

Try that on for size

 

As far as glue?

Be impeccable with your word

Always do your best

Live and let live

Never t take yourself or life too seriously 

Only those whom strive to awaken their consciousness will achieve such

To awaken one must have vision

You move towards and become like that which you focus on

Conflict proceeds clarity

The spirit and intent with which you project is precisely the spirit and intent that will return 

Only those willing and able to defend their way of life will remain free to pursue that way of life

Always respect the law of free will

 

There you go everything a culture needs to break free of their chains zero religious dogma. Each of those are principles fluid and apply in every case

Any culture

Any race, beliefs Etc. 

In no case is their any brainwashing nor psycho-spiritual rape involved

 

Last but not least,  seeking freedom is an act of war,  if you are not fighting tooth and nail to achieve freedom,  then you are not even remotely on the correct path. Sorry but Spirituality is not for the weak and if you aren't in conflict then you aren't striving enough,  your following the beaten path which means food for the reptiles

Sorry but religion is the glue that holds the country together.  

The reason grooming gangs have been allowed to expand is due to the British people becoming weaker .

 

Why are Muslims becoming a driving force within the UK? All United under flag. 

 

Would Muslims become stronger if they gave up Islam and sat in meditation and proclaimed they are now spiritual. 

 

I've been around many different schools of thought from Tibetan tantric  etc which is peaceful but does absolutely nothing at strengthening a community. 

 

Taking back our power not even sure what that means anymore .  

 

To destroy a nation you first destroy its religion and social structure. A divided nation is easier to conquer than a united one. 

 

There is a strong case for Christianity as a way for internal alchemy and to build up your spiritual and physical wellbeing. Plus it's one of the few fellowships now that help to strengthen the family structure. 

 

It's good to rebel and question everything as Tesla said look as the world in terms of energy vibrations and frequencies. 

 

 

[Infinate_sorrow]

On 12/13/2024 at 11:48 AM, JONJAY79 said:

Sorry but religion is the glue that holds the country together.  

The reason grooming gangs have been allowed to expand is due to the British people becoming weaker .

 

Why are Muslims becoming a driving force within the UK? All United under flag. 

 

Would Muslims become stronger if they gave up Islam and sat in meditation and proclaimed they are now spiritual. 

 

I've been around many different schools of thought from Tibetan tantric  etc which is peaceful but does absolutely nothing at strengthening a community. 

 

Taking back our power not even sure what that means anymore .  

 

To destroy a nation you first destroy its religion and social structure. A divided nation is easier to conquer than a united one. 

 

There is a strong case for Christianity as a way for internal alchemy and to build up your spiritual and physical wellbeing. Plus it's one of the few fellowships now that help to strengthen the family structure. 

 

It's good to rebel and question everything as Tesla said look as the world in terms of energy vibrations and frequencies. 

 

 

Well the sweet thing about free will is it is perfectly within your right to believe whatever you choose. 

I will caution however that the best thing to believe in is yourself.  That is the purest method of showing faith in the creator,  

 

[lobster]

7 minutes ago, Infinate_sorrow said:

Well the sweet thing about free will is it is perfectly within your right to believe whatever you choose. 

I will caution however that the best thing to believe in is yourself.  That is the purest method of showing faith in the creator,  

 

It's not at all clear we have freewill, science has doubts

[Infinate_sorrow]

14 hours ago, lobster said:

It's not at all clear we have freewill, science has doubts

Ya and i get where the doubts stem from and agree that free will is something one has to strive for. 

Ouspensky's book the fourth way addresses that particular subject fairly well. 

Not sure if you are familiar but it's basically alchemical philosophy so highly recommend.  

Fits fairly well with icke as well as the concept of non player characters. 

Even makes more sense if one looks at it from the sumerian texts and genetic manipulation. 

Take for example the theoretical scenario that we were genetically created not to mine gold but as a source of negative energy food source by interdimensional beings,  but lo and behold,  in their sheer arrogance which the bloodline has in spades  

They don't have a pineal and had no clue what it was........ and thus the war between mankind and the gods eventually begins. 

The younger dryas put paid to that for a minute,  which was probably jupiter coming into the system but could have been fuck all knows what, shrug. We don't have anything really concrete on that score till we have an organized raid on the Vatican 

Anyway,  thereafter the remnants made do as best they could until it eventually came to war again which would be the war at babel. After thoth either betrayed us ir was neutralized we are beat

Next there's a war to eradicate the giants, notice that those giants are villionized to the extreme.....

Human sacrifice,  eating humans,  raping them..... sort of sounds like our world leadership.....

Which means the giants were most likely exactly the opposite,  they were probably on our side. 

Thus the division of the races and confusion of the tongues was their genetic alteration to our dna so that we were cut off from our full potential,  however we almost won thus the move from personal oversight by our masters,   to the line of priest kings and the multi-millenia plot to diminish human potential 

Personally one of the questions I have to ask is whom said that there weren't highly evolved dinosaurs? 

Science? I don't even bother reading scientific discoveries anymore because they are literally a joke that's in poor taste... .

Anyway long story short,  to move from npc to player character or from robot to free will takes conscious effort to evolve

 

 

Personally I tend to agree all one has to do is start paying attention, speaking to those whom are still in npc mode gets exhausting in its monotony......

Democrat this,  republican that,  blacks do this,  whites do that,  illegal immigrants do the other,  it's all the Russians or Chinese or the bad Arabs that were the good Arabs usa is number one,  freedom baby born in the usa  

This idiot is better at chasing a ball than that idiot, yada yada yawn  

All party approved topics for npc conversation. 

 

Grand theft auto 4d 

 

 

However free will does exist,  one merely has to strive for it and oops back to those pesky gnostics, seek knowledge experience, know thyself, look within and eventually gain understanding lol. 

Which is why when i hear people parrot the approved party line of jesus is going to do all that work for us,  i want to puke my guts out in pyre revulsion and bone deep disgust 

Sorry but all religions are bullshit

Edited December 16, 2024 by Infinate_sorrow

[lobster]

21 minutes ago, Infinate_sorrow said:

Ya and i get where the doubts stem from and agree that free will is something one has to strive for. 

Ouspensky's book the fourth way addresses that particular subject fairly well. 

Not sure if you are familiar but it's basically alchemical philosophy so highly recommend.  

Fits fairly well with icke as well as the concept of non player characters. 

Even makes more sense if one looks at it from the sumerian texts and genetic manipulation. 

Take for example the theoretical scenario that we were genetically created not to mine gold but as a source of negative energy food source by interdimensional beings,  but lo and behold,  in their sheer arrogance which the bloodline has in spades  

They don't have a pineal and had no clue what it was........ and thus the war between mankind and the gods eventually begins. 

The younger dryas put paid to that for a minute,  which was probably jupiter coming into the system but could have been fuck all knows what, shrug. We don't have anything really concrete on that score till we have an organized raid on the Vatican 

Anyway,  thereafter the remnants made do as best they could until it eventually came to war again which would be the war at babel. After thoth either betrayed us ir was neutralized we are beat

Next there's a war to eradicate the giants, notice that those giants are villionized to the extreme.....

Human sacrifice,  eating humans,  raping them..... sort of sounds like our world leadership.....

Which means the giants were most likely exactly the opposite,  they were probably on our side. 

Thus the division of the races and confusion of the tongues was their genetic alteration to our dna so that we were cut off from our full potential,  however we almost won thus the move from personal oversight by our masters,   to the line of priest kings and the multi-millenia plot to diminish human potential 

Personally one of the questions I have to ask is whom said that there weren't highly evolved dinosaurs? 

Science? I don't even bother reading scientific discoveries anymore because they are literally a joke that's in poor taste... .

Anyway long story short,  to move from npc to player character or from robot to free will takes conscious effort to evolve

 

 

Personally I tend to agree all one has to do is start paying attention, speaking to those whom are still in npc mode gets exhausting in its monotony......

Democrat this,  republican that,  blacks do this,  whites do that,  illegal immigrants do the other,  it's all the Russians or Chinese or the bad Arabs that were the good Arabs usa is number one,  freedom baby born in the usa  

This idiot is better at chasing a ball than that idiot, yada yada yawn  

All party approved topics for npc conversation. 

 

Grand theft auto 4d 

 

 

However free will does exist,  one merely has to strivee an  choppois already in the canncept for  whole human view of reality it and oops back to those pesky gnostics, seek knowledge experience, know thyself, look within and eventually gain understanding lol. 

Which is why when i hear people parrot the approved party line of jesus is going to do all that work for us,  i want to puke my guts out in pyre revulsion and bone deep disgust 

Sorry but all religions are bullshit

That people have no freewill messes up the whole human view of reality, they tend to fight against the concept very hard.

 

Very simply put, the time/future has already happened, our reality is we experience it one second at time, as snap shots, but the movie is already in the can, any choice you think you make is just an illusion of free will, 

 

[Campion]

3 hours ago, lobster said:

That people have no freewill messes up the whole human view of reality, they tend to fight against the concept very hard.

 

Very simply put, the time/future has already happened, our reality is we experience it one second at time, as snap shots, but the movie is already in the can, any choice you think you make is just an illusion of free will, 

 

So you mean we have an illusory idea of time too, as well as free will?  But just because the movie is already in the can and so we are essentially just watching a recording, it doesn't mean we didn't have free will the first time round when it was originally happening and being filmed. Or have I misunderstood your analogy?   

  

This reminds me of a debate I once had with a Christian who was trying to explain God's omniscience at the same time as our free will ... if we have true free will he shouldn't be able to predict what we will decide.  Their answer was to do with time too, we live within a sequential timeline and can't see the future, but God transcends time and knows the future as well as the past. 

 

But, to believers in God anyway, what happens if God doesn't have free will either?  Which is logical if free will doesn't exist.  Do we live in a purely deterministic reality where there's no choice at all?  What does that mean for the justice system - oh I forgot we can't change anything, the system we've got is all determined anyway. 

[lobster]

24 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

So you mean we have an illusory idea of time too, as well as free will?  But just because the movie is already in the can and so we are essentially just watching a recording, it doesn't mean we didn't have free will the first time round when it was originally happening and being filmed. Or have I misunderstood your analogy?   

  

This reminds me of a debate I once had with a Christian who was trying to explain God's omniscience at the same time as our free will ... if we have true free will he shouldn't be able to predict what we will decide.  Their answer was to do with time too, we live within a sequential timeline and can't see the future, but God transcends time and knows the future as well as the past. 

 

But, to believers in God anyway, what happens if God doesn't have free will either?  Which is logical if free will doesn't exist.  Do we live in a purely deterministic reality where there's no choice at all?  What does that mean for the justice system - oh I forgot we can't change anything, the system we've got is all determined anyway. 

I'm probably not explaining it well, it didn't happen a first time round,  it happened all at once, the future the present and the past all exist simultaneous, time doesn't move we move through time one frame at a time

Edited December 16, 2024 by lobster

[lobster]

21 minutes ago, Campion said:

  Do we live in a purely deterministic reality where there's no choice at all? 

In essence yes, 

[Campion]

1 hour ago, lobster said:

I'm probably not explaining it well, it didn't happen a first time round,  it happened all at once, the future the present and the past all exist simultaneous, time doesn't move we move through time one frame at a time

   

Yes it's hard to imagine time existing all in one singularity, and in separate frames which we experience. Yet there is a comparison I came across recently. I was asking around (well the AI chat) about how relativity affects light (which naturally travels at the speed of light) compares with the rest of us who travel slower than light and can never get that fast (according to mainstream physics anyway).  The answer was that light doesn't experience time or distance, it only knows space-time as a singularity, so the entire history of the universe is only one instant if you travel at the speed of light.  We're trapped in this time & space bound reality, unless perhaps if we fall into a black hole or something. 

[Campion]

Then the next odd thing is that the reason we can't travel the speed of light is because we have mass which prevents us accelerating that much.  Light doesn't have mass but it does have momentum, because the formula for momentum changes for a zero mass particle.  There's some kind of disconnect between us and light even though our reality is closely connected with light. 

[lobster]

14 minutes ago, Campion said:

   Amm beforethe electricityd ups

Yes it's hard to imagine time existing all in one singularity, and in separate frames which we experience. Yet there is a comparison I came across recently. I was asking around (well the AI chat) about how relativity affects light (which naturally travels at the speed of light) compares with the rest of us who travel slower than light and can never get that fast (according to mainstream physics anyway).  The answer was that light doesn't experience time or distance, it only knows space-time as a singularity, so the entire history of the universe is only one instant if you travel at the speed of light.  We're trapped in this time & space bound reality, unless perhaps if we fall into a black hole or something. 

Here random shit for you

It's impossible to measure the speed of light one way, only there and back, so we don't know for a fact it travels both directions at the same speed. Just it probably does

 

The reason for this is if you trigger a remote clock electronically when you release the light beam, the light gets there before electricity, 

 

[Infinate_sorrow]

On 12/16/2024 at 9:40 AM, lobster said:

That people have no freewill messes up the whole human view of reality, they tend to fight against the concept very hard.

 

Very simply put, the time/future has already happened, our reality is we experience it one second at time, as snap shots, but the movie is already in the can, any choice you think you make is just an illusion of free will, 

 

My understanding of multidimensional time and energy differs based on my source and that source has been pretty reliable......

Its explanation give or take due to low density frequency distortion bills down to this......

Humanity at this point sees time as linear,  as in the past,  present and future . Starting from somewhere and ending somewhere....... however as far as what concerns us there is no past other than residual energy,  no future other than energy of attention and intention (which is a huge portion of the esoteric science that this source is teaching me) the future also does not exist...... thus at any given frame of reference there only truly exists in full the now.

Whether you agree or see the merits is up to you but I'll tell you this right now,  whatever has been teaching me has made it abundantly clear that what Humans are experiencing is a reflection of a much vaster conflict as what we would call the absolute for our reality is what we are to it in a vaster reality and so it goes,  the conflict doesn't end here and victory is far from assured. 

However nothing to fear because the adversary is nothing but a tough guy, a pretty tyrant, and the wheels in motion are going to take advantage of the adversaries fear and compensating ego. Which means that victory is highly likely, but there's a lot that depends on those that are involved in the wheels set in motion....... ie free will.  

Time is cyclical not linear, only the moment truly exists 

[lobster]

1 hour ago, Infinate_sorrow said:

My understanding of multidimensional time and energy differs based on my source and that source has been pretty reliable......

Its explanation give or take due to low density frequency distortion bills down to this......

Humanity at this point sees time as linear,  as in the past,  present and future . Starting from somewhere and ending somewhere....... however as far as what concerns us there is no past other than residual energy,  no future other than energy of attention and intention (which is a huge portion of the esoteric science that this source is teaching me) the future also does not exist...... thus at any given frame of reference there only truly exists in full the now.

Whether you agree or see the merits is up to you but I'll tell you this right now,  whatever has been teaching me has made it abundantly clear that what Humans are experiencing is a reflection of a much vaster conflict as what we would call the absolute for our reality is what we are to it in a vaster reality and so it goes,  the conflict doesn't end here and victory is far from assured. 

However nothing to fear because the adversary is nothing but a tough guy, a pretty tyrant, and the wheels in motion are going to take advantage of the adversaries fear and compensating ego. Which means that victory is highly likely, but there's a lot that depends on those that are involved in the wheels set in motion....... ie free will.  

Time is cyclical not linear, only the moment truly exists 

What do you mean by " cyclical " do you mean it joins to its own tail and goes round again ? or if not,  could you please explain how it operates in cycles ? There is a Nobel laureate who insists that time is cyclical and the whole universe just starts over 

Edited December 17, 2024 by lobster