Case for religion

[JONJAY79]

Was invited by an old friend to a Mens group meal at a local church.

 

Spoke to many of the guys there some ex prisoner's and ex addicts .

 

One thing in common they all seemed to off found that inner peace .

 

We look at other cultures like Islam and they are a powerful group because its the religion that acts as a glue to hold the community together. 

 

As a white English man I see our culture demolished and cast aside in favour of stronger tribes. 

 

There was recently a march demo in London unite the Kingdom where as many patriots are reclaiming Christianity. 

 

We can laugh at religion and go about proclaiming we are free spirits. Then wonder why stronger tribes are taking over.

 

[JONJAY79]

I view religion as a internal alchemy. 

One quote I like is 

 

"The kingdom of God is inside you and all around you" 

 

I spoke to a guy called Tony at the men's group who was very aware when it came to the world economic forum and the vax.  

 

 

[Campion]

I agree with you about religion being a glue to hold communities together. Where I live there are several churches which put on a range of groups for locals: children's clubs, groups for the elderly, the needy and lonely. I volunteered myself for a while even though I'm not a Christian and they were happy to have me help out. 

  

However,  I don't think the Christian and Islamic religions are particularly tribal, they'll take people from any tribe especially Christian churches which have been declining and need new members to keep going.

 

Religion and family values are closely connected too, and it's no surprise that as religion declines so too does our fertility and family sizes. 

 

Religions which are tribal for white people are labelled far right and supremacist, even though they're doing nothing different from tribal religions of other cultures. But that fits with what you said about white western culture being demolished. It's been going on for a long time. It's not that other tribes are stronger than ours, not naturally anyway, but imo we have been deliberately weakened and, if not planned for total replacement at least pulled down to an underclass in our own historic homelands.  I've moved towards paganism which has its own splits between the tribal/folkish groups and the universal/globalist ones. 

  

Your observation about ex prisoners and drug addicts is important too, as religion can help believers turn their lives round, and give a supportive community around them to do it. 

[JONJAY79]

2 hours ago, Campion said:

I agree with you about religion being a glue to hold communities together. Where I live there are several churches which put on a range of groups for locals: children's clubs, groups for the elderly, the needy and lonely. I volunteered myself for a while even though I'm not a Christian and they were happy to have me help out. 

  

However,  I don't think the Christian and Islamic religions are particularly tribal, they'll take people from any tribe especially Christian churches which have been declining and need new members to keep going.

 

Religion and family values are closely connected too, and it's no surprise that as religion declines so too does our fertility and family sizes. 

 

Religions which are tribal for white people are labelled far right and supremacist, even though they're doing nothing different from tribal religions of other cultures. But that fits with what you said about white western culture being demolished. It's been going on for a long time. It's not that other tribes are stronger than ours, not naturally anyway, but imo we have been deliberately weakened and, if not planned for total replacement at least pulled down to an underclass in our own historic homelands.  I've moved towards paganism which has its own splits between the tribal/folkish groups and the universal/globalist ones. 

  

Your observation about ex prisoners and drug addicts is important too, as religion can help believers turn their lives round, and give a supportive community around them to do it. 

 

Yes religion helps our tribal nature. I lived at a Tibetan Buddhist centre in Scotland for a while Samye ling and had some great times and learnt tantric practice .

 

There is a Buddhist school called the pure lands school who put their faith into Jesus.

 

If we delve down further we live in a quantum sea of energy and all religions act like a internal alchemy helping to shape and discipline and focus our energetic vibrations . 

 

We live in a kind of dream world and on essence everything is illusion but some illusions are better than others for internal alchemy to take place and start healing. 

[Mr H]

9 hours ago, JONJAY79 said:

 

Yes religion helps our tribal nature. I lived at a Tibetan Buddhist centre in Scotland for a while Samye ling and had some great times and learnt tantric practice .

 

There is a Buddhist school called the pure lands school who put their faith into Jesus.

 

If we delve down further we live in a quantum sea of energy and all religions act like a internal alchemy helping to shape and discipline and focus our energetic vibrations . 

 

We live in a kind of dream world and on essence everything is illusion but some illusions are better than others for internal alchemy to take place and start healing. 

Where in Scotland dude?

[JONJAY79]

52 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Where in Scotland dude?

Eskdalemuir about 10 miles past Lockerbie. Alot of people visit and either become a monk or live as a lay person. I just spent 9 months living in one of their caravans by the river. 

 

 

https://www.samyeling.org/

Edited November 15, 2024 by JONJAY79

[JONJAY79]

55 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Where in Scotland dude?

Eskdalemuir about 10 miles past Lockerbie. Alot of people visit and either become a monk or live as a lay person. I just spent 9 months living in one of their caravans by the river. 

[JONJAY79]

The pros 

 

Same ling really beautiful part of the country surrounded by hills and rural. 

Peaceful community and learning and deepening meditation. 

 

Cons 

 

A two tier when it comes to diet which confused me. 

Monks and lay people urged to follow vegetarian diet which was really tasty. But fresh meat delivered to the lama house daily never understood that.

 

Parents had donated their houses to the Trust but their children thrown out the centre for slightest thing. 

 

On a whole what I didn't like about Tibetan Buddhism was the obsession with material wealth yet urging followers to be  not to be . If you was to go and see a speech by a Tibetan lama if you have not got the entrance fee you would be turned away. 

 

Constantly being preached that one bad thought about a lama can lead to a 1000 lower rebirth.

 

Sorry if anyone finds that offensive that was my experience. 

Edited November 15, 2024 by JONJAY79

[Mr H]

46 minutes ago, JONJAY79 said:

The pros 

 

Same ling really beautiful part of the country surrounded by hills and rural. 

Peaceful community and learning and deepening meditation. 

 

Cons 

 

A two tier when it comes to diet which confused me. 

Monks and lay people urged to follow vegetarian diet which was really tasty. But fresh meat delivered to the lama house daily never understood that.

 

Parents had donated their houses to the Trust but their children thrown out the centre for slightest thing. 

 

On a whole what I didn't like about Tibetan Buddhism was the obsession with material wealth yet urging followers to be  not to be . If you was to go and see a speech by a Tibetan lama if you have not got the entrance fee you would be turned away. 

 

Constantly being preached that one bad thought about a lama can lead to a 1000 lower rebirth.

 

Sorry if anyone finds that offensive that was my experience. 

It sounds like an incredible experience....

 

How did you feel after?

 

Yes I might visit but I wouldn't stay long as Im not a Buddhist and don't believe what they do.

 

"Religions" or philosophies that most resonate with me are early Christian teachings and Vedanta.

 

On the topic.

 

I agree I think these places great in the community. I know they all their issues. But if you have ever fallen on hard times, you will know that these are one of few places where people will actually help you, in the western world this is extremely rare with most people displaying extreme selfishness.

 

So even if I don't agree with their teachings I think they're marvelous centers for the community and less fortunate.

[Mr H]

Where I live not too much about.

 

I'm actually going to check out Quakers meeting next Sunday.

 

Not sure if it's a religion. But the guy said it's basically 1 hr gp meditation with no leaders and discussion of experience after.

 

Sounds alright to me.

[Campion]

I'd say that Quakers are a religion, quite a liberal one from what I remember having attended briefly but that was a long time ago. The meeting near you may be a bit different, but when I went, their worship started off in silence until members felt inspired by the holy spirit to speak. It's like a priesthood of all members. 

 

Making a case for religion is hard because there's so many different types that I can't really generalise, there's a lot of good and bad and mediocre religion around. We can make a case for certain religions and there'll be plenty of counter examples which show the opposite. 

 

And then there's the distinction between religion and spirituality. At one time I called myself 'spiritual but not religious' which is a recognised identity too. It's all very complex. 

[Mr H]

2 hours ago, Campion said:

I'd say that Quakers are a religion, quite a liberal one from what I remember having attended briefly but that was a long time ago. The meeting near you may be a bit different, but when I went, their worship started off in silence until members felt inspired by the holy spirit to speak. It's like a priesthood of all members. 

 

Making a case for religion is hard because there's so many different types that I can't really generalise, there's a lot of good and bad and mediocre religion around. We can make a case for certain religions and there'll be plenty of counter examples which show the opposite. 

 

And then there's the distinction between religion and spirituality. At one time I called myself 'spiritual but not religious' which is a recognised identity too. It's all very complex. 

Did you enjoy the Quaker stuff?

 

Probably good folks to be around and network with - Quakers typically highly successful individuals.

 

 

 

[Campion]

1 hour ago, Mr H said:

Did you enjoy the Quaker stuff?

 

Probably good folks to be around and network with - Quakers typically highly successful individuals. 

  

I didn't really gel with the Quakers because in hindsight I was looking for something else.  I was trying to practice my meditation which was based on a period of silence and then all these people started talking about a variety of subjects which took me out of my meditation technique.  So I probably wasn't open enough to doing their practice to give it a chance, rather than mine.  The group I attended was Christian based even though nothing like a regular church service.  But afaik there are different types of Quakers, the American ones are different to our British ones for example.  

   

Lovely welcoming people though, and a genuinely close community for the members. Quite a few had been born into the religion and some of the groups have been around for centuries which I think is a good sign.  And yes I got the impression there were many successful people there in their various fields so a good place for networking too if that's what you want.  

[Mr H]

42 minutes ago, Campion said:

  

I didn't really gel with the Quakers because in hindsight I was looking for something else.  I was trying to practice my meditation which was based on a period of silence and then all these people started talking about a variety of subjects which took me out of my meditation technique.  So I probably wasn't open enough to doing their practice to give it a chance, rather than mine.  The group I attended was Christian based even though nothing like a regular church service.  But afaik there are different types of Quakers, the American ones are different to our British ones for example.  

   

Lovely welcoming people though, and a genuinely close community for the members. Quite a few had been born into the religion and some of the groups have been around for centuries which I think is a good sign.  And yes I got the impression there were many successful people there in their various fields so a good place for networking too if that's what you want.  

Thank you it sounds interesting.

 

I had an idea myself, to do omnicentric Satsung. Because I don't enjoy typical Satsung with guru hierarchy - so in omnicentric Satsung anyone would be able to answer if they have the answer - rather than 1 person providing the answer at all times.

 

I Know not the same but can see a similarity with this with the Quakers practice. 

 

And plus I want to network

Edited November 15, 2024 by Mr H

[pi3141]

8 hours ago, Mr H said:

Where I live not too much about.

 

I'm actually going to check out Quakers meeting next Sunday.

 

Not sure if it's a religion. But the guy said it's basically 1 hr gp meditation with no leaders and discussion of experience after.

 

Sounds alright to me.

 

I've been, they're great.

[itsnotallrightjack]

The Quakers have also historically been involved in ethical businesses, companies and pacifism.  And today they are also into environmental issues. They seem generally good folk to me.

[itsnotallrightjack]

14 hours ago, JONJAY79 said:

The pros 

 

Same ling really beautiful part of the country surrounded by hills and rural. 

Peaceful community and learning and deepening meditation. 

 

Cons 

 

A two tier when it comes to diet which confused me. 

Monks and lay people urged to follow vegetarian diet which was really tasty. But fresh meat delivered to the lama house daily never understood that.

 

Parents had donated their houses to the Trust but their children thrown out the centre for slightest thing. 

 

On a whole what I didn't like about Tibetan Buddhism was the obsession with material wealth yet urging followers to be  not to be . If you was to go and see a speech by a Tibetan lama if you have not got the entrance fee you would be turned away. 

 

Constantly being preached that one bad thought about a lama can lead to a 1000 lower rebirth.

 

Sorry if anyone finds that offensive that was my experience. 

 

That is not what Buddhism is supposed to be like. Sounds quite unpleasant.

[pi3141]

8 hours ago, itsnotallrightjack said:

The Quakers have also historically been involved in ethical businesses, companies and pacifism.  And today they are also into environmental issues. They seem generally good folk to me.

 

They are, very welcoming and non judgemental. I like the worship style.

 

However, they are now in the UN.

 

https://quno.org/#

 

Make of that what you will, but it goes against their pacifism beliefs. 

 

I understand why they're doing it, but historically, they didn't get involved.

[JONJAY79]

On 11/15/2024 at 11:46 AM, Mr H said:

It sounds like an incredible experience....

 

How did you feel after?

 

Yes I might visit but I wouldn't stay long as Im not a Buddhist and don't believe what they do.

 

"Religions" or philosophies that most resonate with me are early Christian teachings and Vedanta.

 

On the topic.

 

I agree I think these places great in the community. I know they all their issues. But if you have ever fallen on hard times, you will know that these are one of few places where people will actually help you, in the western world this is extremely rare with most people displaying extreme selfishness.

 

So even if I don't agree with their teachings I think they're marvelous centers for the community and less fortunate.

Yes defo when we are rock bottom these centres still open their doors .

[JONJAY79]

On 11/15/2024 at 11:46 AM, Mr H said:

It sounds like an incredible experience....

 

How did you feel after?

 

Yes I might visit but I wouldn't stay long as Im not a Buddhist and don't believe what they do.

 

"Religions" or philosophies that most resonate with me are early Christian teachings and Vedanta.

 

On the topic.

 

I agree I think these places great in the community. I know they all their issues. But if you have ever fallen on hard times, you will know that these are one of few places where people will actually help you, in the western world this is extremely rare with most people displaying extreme selfishness.

 

So even if I don't agree with their teachings I think they're marvelous centers for the community and less fortunate.

There was lots of pros and cons but I did gain lots of positive insights and was able to deal with some of my own issues .It's all learning. 

[JONJAY79]

On 11/15/2024 at 11:51 AM, Mr H said:

Where I live not too much about.

 

I'm actually going to check out Quakers meeting next Sunday.

 

Not sure if it's a religion. But the guy said it's basically 1 hr gp meditation with no leaders and discussion of experience after.

 

Sounds alright to me.

Been to  few quaker meetings in the past anyone can speak and offer words of encouragement. Very free to question things and actually encouraged. 

[JONJAY79]

On 11/16/2024 at 9:35 AM, pi3141 said:

 

They are, very welcoming and non judgemental. I like the worship style.

 

However, they are now in the UN.

 

https://quno.org/#

 

Make of that what you will, but it goes against their pacifism beliefs. 

 

I understand why they're doing it, but historically, they didn't get involved.

Last few year's there seems to be many of the far left involvement with the Quakers maybe just a shared anti war stance but defo something to be aware about.

[JONJAY79]

Nigel Farage just mentioned by 2050 the muslim population will increase by 75% 

 

The reason Islam becomes such a dominant force is because of sheer number's within their tribe. 

 

Think we have a 3 choices  

 

1

Embrace Christianity and build up a strong tribe. 

 

2

Bow down surrender and become a Muslim .

 

3

Move out of the UK.

 

4

Complain on Facebook and social media that it's unfair. Maybe join a social media forum and discuss how unfair it is and donate money to social media groups that want to raise awareness.

 

 

 

Edited November 18, 2024 by JONJAY79

[Mr H]

9 hours ago, JONJAY79 said:

Last few year's there seems to be many of the far left involvement with the Quakers maybe just a shared anti war stance but defo something to be aware about.

Personally I don't mind too much genuine left wingers. It's the noveaux fake left wing "progressives" posing as left wing I personally don't enjoy the company of a great deal....

[JONJAY79]

47 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Personally I don't mind too much genuine left wingers. It's the noveaux fake left wing "progressives" posing as left wing I personally don't enjoy the company of a great deal....

At the anti lockdown march/demo there seemed to be left wing against left wing as plenty of left wing anarchists marched in the anti lockdown demo and they were all called fascist and nazi scum by anti from the pro lockdown group very confusing times 

Infact the anti lockdown demo/March attracted anarchists, patriots, Christians, Muslims, Hindu Catholic nun's. 

 

It looked silly branding them all fascist, racist nazi from a mainly white liberal middle class antifa group.