Karma and algebra

[Grumpy Grapes]

Arrows of karma are linked to algebra in the medieval Indian story below, telling how Arjuna kills Karna with arrows. 

 

I'm wondering if it's cryptically describing the replication and recycling of karma to create this holographic realm. 

 

Karna = karma? 

 

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-arjuna-used-algebraic-method-kill-karna-kishore-shintre

 

Arjuna also shoots the eye of a wooden bird (Mahabharata story). 

 

"Arjuna closed his eyes and visualized only the bird’s eye. When he opened his eyes again, all he could see was the eye. He then shot the arrow, which went straight through the eye of the bird."

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by Grumpy Grapes

[Grumpy Grapes]

Another archer in Indian mythology is KAMADEVA, the equivalent of Cupid and Eros. 

 

Kama = Karma? 

 

"The Atharva Veda regards Kamadeva as the wielder of the creative power of the universe, also describing him to have been "born at first, him neither the gods nor the fathers ever equaled"."

 

"Mentioned as a manasaputra (mind-born son) of the creator god Brahma in the Puranas, Kamadeva's most popular myth is his incineration by Shiva's third eye while the latter was meditating, and later embodied on earth as the eldest son of Krishna and his chief consort Rukmini, Pradyumna."

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamadeva

 

Edited October 28, 2024 by Grumpy Grapes

[Grumpy Grapes]

18 hours ago, Grumpy Grapes said:

Arrows of karma are linked to algebra in the medieval Indian story below, telling how Arjuna kills Karna with arrows. 

 

I'm wondering if it's cryptically describing the replication and recycling of karma to create this holographic realm. 

 

Karna = karma? 

 

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-arjuna-used-algebraic-method-kill-karna-kishore-shintre

 

Arjuna also shoots the eye of a wooden bird (Mahabharata story). 

 

"Arjuna closed his eyes and visualized only the bird’s eye. When he opened his eyes again, all he could see was the eye. He then shot the arrow, which went straight through the eye of the bird."

 

 

The Karna-Arjuna story has parallels in the Vedic literature and may have emerged from these more ancient themes. According to McGrath, the Vedic mythology is loaded with the legendary and symbolism-filled conflict between Surya (sun) and Indra (clouds, thunder, rain).^[119] Indra cripples Surya in the Vedic mythology by detaching his wheel, while Arjuna kills Karna while he tries to fix the wheel that is stuck in the ground.^[120][121] 

 

Is detaching the wheel referring to removing the wheel of karma?

 

A similar wheel is here:

 

"The entire kāla-cakra, or wheel of time, is established on the wheel of the sun-god’s chariot. This wheel is known as Saṁvatsara. The seven horses pulling the chariot of the sun are known as Gāyatrī, Bṛhatī, Uṣṇik, Jagatī, Triṣṭup, Anuṣṭup and Paṅkti. They are harnessed by a demigod known as Aruṇadeva to a yoke 900,000 yojanas wide. Thus the chariot carries Ādityadeva, the sun-god."

 

Karna's upbringing is similar to that of the Bibilical Moses, because Karna's mother Kunti had to abandon the newly born Karna adrift in a basket on the Ganges. The basket is discovered floating on the Ganges River. He is adopted and raised by foster Suta parents.

 

Abandoned baby = the rejected stone?

 

 

Edited October 28, 2024 by Grumpy Grapes

[Grumpy Grapes]

In a spiritual practice of yoga, karma is often represented with a bow and arrow analogy.

 

Agami karma is represented by an arrow that is in the bow and ready for launching, and is about to be released by the archer. This indicates that, at this point, the archer has complete control over future outcomes. He/she has a choice in what arrow to release or how to release it, and this will effect future karma.

 

The Arrow of Brahma is from Hindu writings.

 

"The arrow of Brahma that Rama shot had feathers of winds. The points were sun and flames. The shaft was Mount Meru, the hub of the universe and where Brahma lived."

 

"In Hindu mythology, the god Rama (Ramachandra) faced the demon king of Sri-Lanka, Ravana. Rama shot arrows and knocked off each of Ravana's ten heads, but new ones grew immediately. The new heads doubled Ravana's strength. Finally, Rama fired the arrow of Brahma that had been imparted to him by Agastya, a sage and heavenly historian, while Rama, Sita, and Lakshmana were exiled in Dandaka Forest. The arrow of Brahma burst Ravana's navel which contained the elixir [Amrit], and returned to Rama's quiver. Ravana was destroyed and Rama was able to return home in victory."

 

Some info on Ravana:

 

"Following his initial training, Ravana performed an intense penance (or tapasya) to brahma, lasting several years. During his penance, Ravana chopped off his head 10 times as a sacrifice to appease him. Each time he sliced his head off a new head arose, thus enabling him to continue his penance. At last, brahma, pleased with his austerity, appeared after his 10th decapitation and offered him a boon. Ravana asked for immortality, which brahma refused to give, but gave him the celestial nectar of immortality. The nectar of immortality, stored under his navel, dictated that he could not be vanquished for as long as it lasted.

Ravana also asked for absolute invulnerability from and supremacy over gods, heavenly spirits, other rakshas, serpents, and wild beasts. Contemptuous of mortal men, he did not ask for protection from these. Brahma granted him these boons in addition to his 10 severed heads and great strength by way of knowledge of divine weapons and magic. Thus Ravana is also known as 'Dasamukha' or 'Dashaanan' (Dasa - ten, mukha/anan - face)."

 

The arrow of Brahma is like a serpent:

 

"Blazing like a fire at the time of universal dissolution, enveloped in smoke and looking like a venomous snake, it was swift in action and capable of bursting hosts of men, elephants and horses. It broke gate-ways, iron bars, and even mountains. Smeared with the blood of various victims and quoted with their marrow, it presented a very terrific appearance. That arrow had an efficacy of a thunder bolt, loud-sounding, tearing off armies of adversaries in many battles and creating fear to all, like a hissing serpent."

 

 

Edited October 28, 2024 by Grumpy Grapes

[Grumpy Grapes]

"The "Five arrows" in Hinduism symbolize desire and love, linked to Kamadeva, the god of love, and feature in various mythological narratives, representing both divine romance and the intensity of confrontations in epic tales."

 

"In Indian mythology, the God of Love is said to have an arch and five arrows. These five arrows are made up of five flowers; the five senses and he hits you with the five flowers."

 

The Rothschilds

 

"The family’s coat of arms of five arrows, representing the five brothers, was granted in 1822 by the Austro-Hungarian Emperor with its motto “Concordia, Industria, Integritas,” which means Harmony, Industriousness, Integrity, a slogan that has held it in good stead ever since."

 

"The five arrows became an enduring symbol of the Rothschild name. The story comes from ancient Chinese myth and also is told by Plutarch of a wealthy man who, on his deathbed, asked his sons to break a bundle of darts. When they all failed, he showed them how easily the arrows could be broken individually, cautioning them that their strength as a family lay in their unity."

 

I can't find a Chinese myth involving 5 arrows, but there is this one with 10 arrows:

 

Grand Archer Hou Yi - considered to be the greatest archer of all time. He is best known for marrying the moon goddess, Chang’e (嫦娥), and for shooting down nine of the ten suns. Once an immortal who lived in the Jade Emperor’s palace, Hou Yi decided to become human to help humanity in times of need. His arrows are crafted from dragon tendons. 

 

"To reward him for his valiant deeds, Xiwangmu (西王母) gave Hou Yi a bottle of her elixir of immortality so that he might return to the Jade Emperor’s palace as a god. The gift left Hou Yi feeling conflicted. While he wanted to be immortal, he did not want to leave his wife Chang’e to die alone. He hid the elixir away while he pondered his decision."

"Before Hou Yi was able to decide, however, Chang’e stole the vial from him while he was sleeping. She drank the contents of the bottle and fled to the moon to escape her husband’s wrath. Hou Yi was so upset with his wife that he aimed an arrow at her, intending to shoot her down; in the end, he could not bring himself to do it."

 

Mind you, the Rothschild logo does have 10 spokes, as if in a wheel.


 

Edited October 29, 2024 by Grumpy Grapes

[Grumpy Grapes]

Here's an interesting take on the notion that karma is king and can't be dodged. 

 

"Does the way Lord Krishna's incarnation came to an end when Jara's arrow hit Krishna's foot, imply that even God can't escape his karma and karma is even greater than God?" 

 

"Jara was Vali in his previous birth. Krishna in his Rama avatar killed vali by shooting an arrow from behind him which is against the rule. In turn in his next avatar he got hit by the same person. It is only to prove that karma is inevitable.

 

"Krishna is a person who was present in Mahabharatha war. He fought many cruel and wild persons and demons like puthana, Kamsa, Chanura, Jarasandhra, Shisupala to name a few. He survived the arrows of the great like Drona, Bheeshma, Krupa, Karna and others. Can we imagine that a person who survived the worst of situations can be died by merely getting hit by a single arrow of a tribal?

 

"The answer to this lies in his Maya. We should not forget that Krishna's avatar is Maya, sorcery. Beginning from his birth, there is not one instance where his maya is not present yet incogitable. The acts he did as a child may seem very extraneous and inapt to us but have deep meaning in them.

 

"Karma is greater than God. But god himself is not bound to karma. His deeds are done so on a specific purpose. He is aware of the past, the present and the future. If a person does a good deed, he in turn gets good results. But he does a bad deed, he gets the worse results. God is not bound this chain. He creates an illusion which appears that infact he is bound to it. It is only a symbolic way to notify the mankind that even God cannot escape karma."

 

https://www.quora.com/Does-the-way-Lord-Krishnas-incarnation-came-to-an-end-when-Jaras-arrow-hit-Krishnas-foot-imply-that-even-God-cant-escape-his-karma-and-karma-is-even-greater-than-God

 

Krishna's foot reminds me of Achilles' mortal heel. 

 

"Everything began when Krishna sat down in a tree in a jungle one day and entered into Yoga Samadhi, or meditation. Jara, a hunter, then entered the forest. That hunter mistakenly thought that Krishna's moving foot was a concealed deer, so he shot a fatal arrow that pierced Krishna's feet. The hunter realised his mistake as soon as he arrived before Krishna and begged the lord for forgiveness. He was reassured by Lord Krishna, who also explained how his demise was inevitable. Lord Krishna departed from the world of the living as a result. The beginning of the Kaliyuga is regarded as the moment when Lord Krishna passed away."

 

Edited October 29, 2024 by Grumpy Grapes

[Grumpy Grapes]

 

"The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune..."

 

The famous Shakespearean speech, "To be, or not to be..." is usually interpreted to be about considering suicide, but could it be about a different kind of 'sleep'? Is it about the 'dream' that we are in right now, in a bid to remove our karmic attachments?

 

"For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil...

 

"For who would bear the whips and scorns of time...

 

The full quote:

 

"To be, or not to be, that is the question:

Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer

The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,

Or to take arms against a sea of troubles

And by opposing end them. To die—to sleep,

No more; and by a sleep to say we end

The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks

That flesh is heir to: 'tis a consummation

Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;

To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub:

For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,

When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,

Must give us pause—there's the respect

That makes calamity of so long life.

For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,

Th'oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,

The pangs of dispriz'd love, the law's delay,

The insolence of office, and the spurns

That patient merit of th'unworthy takes,

When he himself might his quietus make

With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,

To grunt and sweat under a weary life,

But that the dread of something after death,

The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn

No traveller returns, puzzles the will,

And makes us rather bear those ills we have

Than fly to others that we know not of?

Thus conscience doth make cowards of us all,

And thus the native hue of resolution

Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,

And enterprises of great pith and moment

With this regard their currents turn awry

And lose the name of action."

 

 

[Grumpy Grapes]

Hod's arrow

 

Hod (Hoder or Hodur) is a god in Norse mythology. The blind son of Odin, he is tricked and guided by Loki into shooting a mistletoe arrow which was to slay the otherwise invulnerable Baldr.

 

Edited November 1, 2024 by Grumpy Grapes

[Grumpy Grapes]

Arrow in a tiger's eye 

 

"Legends about archery permeate Chinese culture. An early tale discusses how the Yellow Emperor, the legendary ancestor of the Chinese people, invented the bow and arrow:

 

Once upon a time, Huangdi went out hunting armed with a stone knife. Suddenly, a tiger sprang out of the undergrowth. Huangdi shimmed up a mulberry tree to escape. Being a patient creature, the tiger sat down at the bottom of the tree to see what would happen next. Huangdi saw that the mulberry wood was supple, so he cut off a branch with his stone knife to make a bow. Then he saw a vine growing on the tree, and he cut a length from it to make a string. Next he saw some bamboo nearby that was straight, so he cut a piece to make an arrow. With his bow an arrow, he shot the tiger in the eye. The tiger ran off and Huangdi made his escape."

 

 

[Campion]

And there's the one eye symbolism in both stories. Odin the one-eyed God and the Chinese tiger with one eye shot. What does the one eye symbol really mean?  

[zerop]

On 11/1/2024 at 11:42 PM, Campion said:

And there's the one eye symbolism in both stories. Odin the one-eyed God and the Chinese tiger with one eye shot. What does the one eye symbol really mean?  

Likely to witness Truth, non-dual consciousness. I.e to perceive True Reality, Truth, not the fallen dual egoic-multi-belief-system ‘truth’. 

2 eyes = dual ego consciousness perception. 
1 eye = duality merged to ‘one’ consciousness. 
Hence the 1 eye atop the pyramid.

The pinnacle point of life, eternity consciousness. 
That’s the ‘freedom’ many are really searching for. Dual consciousness is bound. One consciousness isn’t. 

We fail to realise what we on earth perceive, and conclude about our perceptions, isn’t truth in clarity. It’s the illusory egoic dual world consciousness. 
When our consciousness shifts, which many also don’t fully comprehend how much consciousness can shift, we perceive everything differently.

Remove the dual ego, strip it away, what is left? What ‘powers’ ego and everything else? The field of One consciousness. 
 

 

[zerop]

@Grumpy Grapes It’s an interesting discussion about karma and algebra.

I’m not a mathematician but the physicists who are able to apply mathematics to complex forces amaze me.

It is said the world is mathematics, sacred geometry occurring in everything.

If the rule ‘as above, so below’ applies, we summise the entirely of the universe is able to be rendered or translated mathematically, even consciousness itself. (I think one scientist put such a formula forward in recent years.)

 

Karma theory is so complex. Just now i had the thought of ‘every reaction creates an equal and opposite reaction’ - which would cancel karma out in theory, but does it?

”Every reaction creates and equal and opposite reaction” bugs the hell out of me because it means whatever good anyone does, it will create a positive and negative response, which goes on to create more equal and opposite reactions. So why the hell even bother trying helping/improving anything?!

 
One consciousness alluded to in my above post doesn't even grapple with these conundrums. 

Edited December 21, 2024 by zerop

[Grumpy Grapes]

7 hours ago, zerop said:

@Grumpy Grapes It’s an interesting discussion about karma and algebra.

I’m not a mathematician but the physicists who are able to apply mathematics to complex forces amaze me.

It is said the world is mathematics, sacred geometry occurring in everything.

If the rule ‘as above, so below’ applies, we summise the entirely of the universe is able to be rendered or translated mathematically, even consciousness itself. (I think one scientist put such a formula forward in recent years.)

 

Karma theory is so complex. Just now i had the thought of ‘every reaction creates an equal and opposite reaction’ - which would cancel karma out in theory, but does it?

”Every reaction creates and equal and opposite reaction” bugs the hell out of me because it means whatever good anyone does, it will create a positive and negative response, which goes on to create more equal and opposite reactions. So why the hell even bother trying helping/improving anything?!

 
One consciousness alluded to in my above post doesn't even grapple with these conundrums. 

 

I view karma (cause-and-effect) as a mirror that shows you as you really are. It's like a map that says "you are here". It doesn't pass judgement on you, but allows you to pass judgement on yourself, if you are brave enough to look, that is.

 

Another metaphor is jumping into a swimming pool. You create waves/ripples that spread away from you but rebound from the pool walls and come back to you.