Mr H Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 1 hour ago, Campion said: In science, a theory has evidence for it while a hypothesis doesn't. So yes, there is evidence for the big bang even though it's not fully understood. On inspection, I can't find the distinction between 'experience' and 'content of experience'; ditto with 'consciousness'. The contents are the consciousness, which is its essential nature. Perhaps you can distinguish between these things though. Yes we share the same atoms, energy, photons etc, but there's a danger of creating a belief in a separate 'me', 'made of' my atoms. Likewise I don't know what you mean by content, vs that which produces content. I see it as an infinite mixture of processes, content in flux processing into further content. Although perhaps 'content' isn't an ideal name for it because content implies a container and I don't see this in the absolute sense, only in the relative. Yes very clumsy there... So we have Brahman the ultimate reality, or consciousness. This is potentiality unexpressed. This is the projector or container within which all experience exists (the screen) Then we have prakriti, which is the fundamental energy that makes up experience, it is manifestation itself (the electrical power) , . Then we have Maya which is what this looks like with our limited senses (the movie). The movie playing reveals itself as the big bang, as atoms. But it tells us nothing about the screen itself. For that we need to investigate the screen. This is what I meant when I clumsyily said earlier "Can the content of experience prove the essential nature of experience?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 Sat chit Ananda, existence, consciousness and bliss. In my experience Advaita Vedanta comprehensively deals with and explains the first two. However, for many it leads to renunciation from the world and only a light feeling of peace. Why I think it's good to experience different practices. Paths of devotion or tantra are more adept in dealing with Ananda, the raw experience of bliss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 Qu: how to reconcile being conditioned to eat meat, and to love meat and dairy, yet knowing my desire for meat causes suffering? And is not necessary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 4 Author Share Posted June 4 There is no real spiritual journey. No truths to discover. You are it already. There is nothing to do. YOU HAVE DECIDED to play ignorant & can stop at anytime you like. - message I had today. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenhome777 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 On 10/7/2024 at 7:42 AM, Mr H said: I guess as I started the topic it's only fair I start the discussion.... What does meditation mean to you and how do you do it? So for me. The highest meditation is living life itself, knowingly in all moments. This can include quiet contemplations in silence. There is no practice here and nothing physically to do. It just is and you're aware of it. Then I have "meditations" to achieve specific outcomes. I personally prefer calling these mind activities to distinct from "pure meditation" but use the word meditation here as this is how it is commonly thought of. These meditations for me include brightpath meditation by the brightpath - this I use if I have too many thoughts and wish to lesson them quickly. It's a little like mantra meditation. I also do my own manifestation and healing meditations, where I project myself to zero point and then use imagination to attempt the desired outcome... What about you? How do you meditate and what does it mean to you? I do this, but I find it is a catch 22. It seems like if you have an intent, then the meditation doesn't function properly because you are using your ego to request the intent. It seems like you have to not have any intent to get to a deeper state. So it's almost like, yes, you do have an intent, but you need to forget about your intent, or erase the intent from your mind, in order to achieve your intended goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr H Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 1 hour ago, ravenhome777 said: You might find this video interesting: There is zero chance I will be coming back here. My observations is, people are extremely selfish. I've only ever met a couple people who were not selfish. Every morning I see homeless people whilst the government spends money on guns, and people walk by to go buy their Starbucks. The world we have created via ignorance is evil and it sucks for the majority. It is not some evil outside force doing it. WE ARE DOING IT... The way to stop reincarnating is to stop believing in it and realize who you truly are. Reincarnation is for the ignorant. The egoic one who wants more and more....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 35 minutes ago, Mr H said: There is zero chance I will be coming back here. My observations is, people are extremely selfish. I've only ever met a couple people who were not selfish. Every morning I see homeless people whilst the government spends money on guns, and people walk by to go buy their Starbucks. The world we have created via ignorance is evil and it sucks for the majority. It is not some evil outside force doing it. WE ARE DOING IT... The way to stop reincarnating is to stop believing in it and realize who you truly are. Reincarnation is for the ignorant. The egoic one who wants more and more....... In some ways the selfishness and indifference line up with primordial Gnosticism’s view of what the demiurge wants. Problem for me is that all the so called religions ignore deliberately what is happening. You do see individuals trying to help but don’t forget that love island is more important. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bombadil said: In some ways the selfishness and indifference line up with primordial Gnosticism’s view of what the demiurge wants. Problem for me is that all the so called religions ignore deliberately what is happening. You do see individuals trying to help but don’t forget that love island is more important. That is one aspect of gnostiscm. The main teaching of gnostiscm is that you are essentially God or infinite consciousness. By definition there cannot be anything outside a god. Therefore we are creating this shit hole of a situation ourselves via ignorance. In the context of demiurge. We are that. We can decide to stop at anytime. Few want it because they are selfish. Edited June 5 by Mr H 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campion Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mr H said: That is one aspect of gnostiscm. The main teaching of gnostiscm is that you are essentially God or infinite consciousness. By definition there cannot be anything outside a god. Therefore we are creating this shit hole of a situation ourselves via ignorance. In the context of demiurge. We are that. We can decide to stop at anytime. Few want it because they are selfish. Makes me wonder, why would the God of everything (or Demiurge if you prefer), do that and decide to forget itself, become selfish and create a hellish reality? Although it's not all hellish, a dual mixture of heaven and hell perhaps. And why is it so difficult to stop - lots of people keep trying for years and if they're lucky they get a glimpse of God. Edit, to answer my own questions. To be alive as an individual being, creature, animal especially an evolved one like humans, needs a lot of survival strategies, and the survival instinct is the basic reason for being selfish to start with. So to give up all selfishness is only really possible when we die, which is recognised in the Buddhist tradition. While alive the highest state you can reach is nirvana (the ending of suffering), but there is a higher state still called parinirvana (the ending of rebirth) which happens after a Buddha dies. Although I've just seen the paradox there - they realise no-self and non-separateness yet they still enter a state as a recognisable individual. It was just the Buddha who got enlightened to a state of everythingness, it's the same with Mr H's description: "we can decide to stop at anytime". But there still needs to be a sense of individuality to say that I have stopped selfishness and you people over there haven't. Shouldn't it be all or nothing? I guess that's what you mean by saying there isn't a spiritual journey or truths to discover really. This is already God, Enlightenment, Valhalla etc. But then we still recognise there's problems in the world and selfishness exists, even if it's only illusory. But doesn't that mean that illusions are part of God too? Some kind of ripple or wrinkle in the otherwise smooth operating of reality. Edited June 5 by Campion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talorgan Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Campion said: Makes me wonder, why would the God of everything (or Demiurge if you prefer), do that and decide to forget itself, become selfish and create a hellish reality? Although it's not all hellish, a dual mixture of heaven and hell perhaps. And why is it so difficult to stop - lots of people keep trying for years and if they're lucky they get a glimpse of God. Edit, to answer my own questions. To be alive as an individual being, creature, animal especially an evolved one like humans, needs a lot of survival strategies, and the survival instinct is the basic reason for being selfish to start with. So to give up all selfishness is only really possible when we die, which is recognised in the Buddhist tradition. While alive the highest state you can reach is nirvana (the ending of suffering), but there is a higher state still called parinirvana (the ending of rebirth) which happens after a Buddha dies. Although I've just seen the paradox there - they realise no-self and non-separateness yet they still enter a state as a recognisable individual. It was just the Buddha who got enlightened to a state of everythingness, it's the same with Mr H's description: "we can decide to stop at anytime". But there still needs to be a sense of individuality to say that I have stopped selfishness and you people over there haven't. Shouldn't it be all or nothing? I guess that's what you mean by saying there isn't a spiritual journey or truths to discover really. This is already God, Enlightenment, Valhalla etc. But then we still recognise there's problems in the world and selfishness exists, even if it's only illusory. But doesn't that mean that illusions are part of God too? Some kind of ripple or wrinkle in the otherwise smooth operating of reality. If the Astral realm (s) ? exist & are like a higher frequency or plasma based expressions of mind then I doubt they don't have similar problems as this physical middle earth place ego / survival thought patterns , morphic fields , Eg entities exist there? so bound to be some turbalance like here . Perhaps there are higher realms above ( over the rainbow bridge ?) IE spirit realms beyond where much more enlightened/higher Self consciousness ( es)Exist / Flourish even . Are we sure god ( our language word for god) is mono and not plural ? Is it that mind is where dualities exist and beyond that is one ,or no- thing or is that just a stage experienced that possible leads to higher consciousness beyond the void Who knows how big this reality is? Can we be sure of personal experiences or channelling messages from etheric levels Perhaps the Earth is important in all this and our existence here now materializing the spirit + vice versa Edited June 5 by Talorgan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 (edited) 6 hours ago, Campion said: Makes me wonder, why would the God of everything (or Demiurge if you prefer), do that and decide to forget itself, become selfish and create a hellish reality? Although it's not all hellish, a dual mixture of heaven and hell perhaps. And why is it so difficult to stop - lots of people keep trying for years and if they're lucky they get a glimpse of God. Edit, to answer my own questions. To be alive as an individual being, creature, animal especially an evolved one like humans, needs a lot of survival strategies, and the survival instinct is the basic reason for being selfish to start with. So to give up all selfishness is only really possible when we die, which is recognised in the Buddhist tradition. While alive the highest state you can reach is nirvana (the ending of suffering), but there is a higher state still called parinirvana (the ending of rebirth) which happens after a Buddha dies. Although I've just seen the paradox there - they realise no-self and non-separateness yet they still enter a state as a recognisable individual. It was just the Buddha who got enlightened to a state of everythingness, it's the same with Mr H's description: "we can decide to stop at anytime". But there still needs to be a sense of individuality to say that I have stopped selfishness and you people over there haven't. Shouldn't it be all or nothing? I guess that's what you mean by saying there isn't a spiritual journey or truths to discover really. This is already God, Enlightenment, Valhalla etc. But then we still recognise there's problems in the world and selfishness exists, even if it's only illusory. But doesn't that mean that illusions are part of God too? Some kind of ripple or wrinkle in the otherwise smooth operating of reality. 1. I don't think we can answer the question because it's not the right question. The question is predicated on the assumption that God, thinks ((who says god has thoughts?), has one central thinking faculty acts, sees good and bad like a human. Essentially anthropormorphizing. Personally I don't think this is the case. 2.it is the easiest thing in the world to stop or become enlightened. It literally takes seconds. The reason why it takes folks longer is because they don't want to. And they enjoy desiring, seeking, chasing different states so create for themselves a difficult spiritual journey - none is required. Remember and abide now - go directly to the experience of infinite consciousness NOW. 3. Humans being animals is a story. We have the choice to act like animals or act like Gods 4. There is no individual. There are "individual" functions, thinking, perceiving, we mistake for an individual separate entity. 5. Yes illusion are god too. Edited June 5 by Mr H 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 2 hours ago, Mr H said: 1. I don't think we can answer the question because it's not the right question. The question is predicated on the assumption that God, thinks ((who says god has thoughts?), has one central thinking faculty acts, sees good and bad like a human. Essentially anthropormorphizing. Personally I don't think this is the case. 2.it is the easiest thing in the world to stop or become enlightened. It literally takes seconds. The reason why it takes folks longer is because they don't want to. And they enjoy desiring, seeking, chasing different states so create for themselves a difficult spiritual journey - none is required. Remember and abide now - go directly to the experience of infinite consciousness NOW. 3. Humans being animals is a story. We have the choice to act like animals or act like Gods 4. There is no individual. There are "individual" functions, thinking, perceiving, we mistake for an individual separate entity. 5. Yes illusion are god too. @Campion What we do know for sure. Is the aspect of god that does think and act like a human, that likes and dislikes, that suffers, is the human experience. So I suggest that if at this level we want change it must be done at the human level by us. We know for sure it is possible. If we abide in our true nature fully and give up attachments to desire (selfishness) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campion Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 4 hours ago, Mr H said: @Campion What we do know for sure. Is the aspect of god that does think and act like a human, that likes and dislikes, that suffers, is the human experience. So I suggest that if at this level we want change it must be done at the human level by us. We know for sure it is possible. If we abide in our true nature fully and give up attachments to desire (selfishness) Do you find it easy to give up attachments to desires? Without being attached to that desire too? We talk about these different levels, of god, human and animal but are you talking about that from your own experience? I mean, if we're an aspect of god then so too are animals, and anyway, aren't we just another species of animal? What you said earlier about no journey, no truths to discover, we are already it, suggests there is not a progression to make from one level to another. Perhaps that's what you're saying too. There's not even a change to make because that projects a future image about a new me, and a rejection of the present me. What I've come to think is that it's enough just to realise who and what I am now with love and acceptance. My true nature is my present nature, all else is a theory. Then any change which might happen is from that place of self-love rather than self-judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 On 6/5/2025 at 10:56 PM, Campion said: Do you find it easy to give up attachments to desires? Without being attached to that desire too? We talk about these different levels, of god, human and animal but are you talking about that from your own experience? I mean, if we're an aspect of god then so too are animals, and anyway, aren't we just another species of animal? What you said earlier about no journey, no truths to discover, we are already it, suggests there is not a progression to make from one level to another. Perhaps that's what you're saying too. There's not even a change to make because that projects a future image about a new me, and a rejection of the present me. What I've come to think is that it's enough just to realise who and what I am now with love and acceptance. My true nature is my present nature, all else is a theory. Then any change which might happen is from that place of self-love rather than self-judgement. Taking action doesn't have to be preceded by a desire. I would suggest our natural state is sponeneity based upon intelligence and practical needs. So I don't think having no attachment or desires is a desire. I would suggest we are not animals. We are Gods playing animals, as are animals. It's an illusion. What I meant earlier, is you are already that which you seek. There is no progression to yourself. It's a matter of stopping the play and noticing. There is nothing to do to become enlightened. You are already. There is nothing to learn to be yourself..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 Just speaking from my experience. Every single time I have had attachment to desires it hasn't gone well for me. It's either, I achieve it, but I had to go through hell to.get it. Or it didn't happen.... More often than not. If I want something but don't attach to it, it usually comes with ease. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 3 hours ago, Mr H said: Just speaking from my experience. Every single time I have had attachment to desires it hasn't gone well for me. It's either, I achieve it, but I had to go through hell to.get it. Or it didn't happen.... More often than not. If I want something but don't attach to it, it usually comes with ease. Personally I find that when too focussed on one desire/ goal other far more important aspects of life can get pushed aside to great detriment. It’s too easy to forget to appreciate the small things that individually and collectively make us happy and make our journeys more positive. I find sometimes when having achieved a goal that it does not bring the satisfaction I imagined. Without a doubt the less material the goal the better I feel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenhome777 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 On 6/5/2025 at 4:59 AM, Mr H said: There is zero chance I will be coming back here. My observations is, people are extremely selfish. I've only ever met a couple people who were not selfish. Every morning I see homeless people whilst the government spends money on guns, and people walk by to go buy their Starbucks. The world we have created via ignorance is evil and it sucks for the majority. It is not some evil outside force doing it. WE ARE DOING IT... The way to stop reincarnating is to stop believing in it and realize who you truly are. Reincarnation is for the ignorant. The egoic one who wants more and more....... Good point. It's actually impossible for a person to commit a truly altruistic act. Every act that you can think of will be for your own benefit. I had very interesting thought experiment with AI concerning the nature of reality, and how we create this illusion. It's a little long, but if you can get to the "room" analogy that AI draws for me, you'll be well-rewarded: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 The problem for me is that spirituality in general has been created by humans with agendas. Too many experts, books etc telling us how to achieve this and that. I find most if not all is guided by greed and the ego. Many so called spiritual people I have known turn out to be ultra aggressive when you question their views. It’s a human concept regardless. In reality I don’t think the universe (or whatever is behind everything), gives a monkeys what we believe. im not saying there are not pluses to the concept of spirituality. When used as a medium for insight and reflection it’s great. Also in regards to how we interact with this reality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Origin Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 hours ago, Bombadil said: The problem for me is that spirituality in general has been created by humans with agendas. Too many experts, books etc telling us how to achieve this and that. I find most if not all is guided by greed and the ego. Many so called spiritual people I have known turn out to be ultra aggressive when you question their views. It’s a human concept regardless. In reality I don’t think the universe (or whatever is behind everything), gives a monkeys what we believe. im not saying there are not pluses to the concept of spirituality. When used as a medium for insight and reflection it’s great. Also in regards to how we interact with this reality. The problem for me is that spirituality in general has been created by humans with agendas. Always. Too many experts, books etc telling us how to achieve this and that. Perceived and seen reality is the real book. I find most if not all is guided by greed and the ego. Yes. Many so called spiritual people I have known turn out to be ultra aggressive when you question their views. It’s a human concept regardless. Everything must be questioned. The few who knew delivered the message. Nothing more. It happened everywhere. Everything was in pictorial form. And so it is today. The message is unchanged. In reality I don’t think the universe (or whatever is behind everything), gives a monkeys what we believe. Correct. It is a choice that can be made. That includes everything that is not human. im not saying there are not pluses to the concept of spirituality. When used as a medium for insight and reflection it’s great. Also in regards to how we interact with this reality. If it can help you, then yes. I as an example did not need spirituality, religions, 'human approval', words. I don't need anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 9 hours ago, Bombadil said: The problem for me is that spirituality in general has been created by humans with agendas. Too many experts, books etc telling us how to achieve this and that. I find most if not all is guided by greed and the ego. Many so called spiritual people I have known turn out to be ultra aggressive when you question their views. It’s a human concept regardless. In reality I don’t think the universe (or whatever is behind everything), gives a monkeys what we believe. im not saying there are not pluses to the concept of spirituality. When used as a medium for insight and reflection it’s great. Also in regards to how we interact with this reality. I have been investigating these matters for 12 years now, pretty much all day every day. My current analysis is this. There is no truth in spirituality. It is the Ego's last dance before it dies. The path one walks when they could not get what they want from the objective world. They try and get it here in more subtle form, from various states, healings, "magical powers" etc. it can be a lot of fun. And is a further exploration of the illusion. But there's no real absolute truth here. Religion? I would say has great wisdoms. You can learn a lot especially if you're level headed and don't take it so seriously that you'd kill people over it. If we can call it a religion the most helpful one I found was Advaita Vedanta. Not because of the stories they have. Rather their approach. That is. Only believe or rather know what you can experience and can evidence for. Take everything else with a pinch of salt....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 By Sony Pandey The Art of Not Doing, to stop performing, and return to the self that never asked you to perform We don’t pause because we don’t want to. We don’t pause because we have been conditioned to fear stillness. Somewhere deep in the body, stillness got coded as punishment. You sat too long as a child and got labeled lazy. You hesitated, and the world moved on without you. You cried and someone said, “Stop being dramatic.” You asked for rest and were told, “Life doesn’t wait.” So now, even when there’s no emergency, your nervous system still prepares to run. To fix. To achieve. To prove. Because the deepest fear isn’t failure. It’s what happens if you stop trying. But healing cannot happen in motion. Here’s why… physically, energetically: When you are in motion, your body is in sympathetic charge: The fight-flight state. Cortisol and adrenaline override. Blood moves to limbs, not organs. Your system’s priority is survival, not repair. You could be doing yoga. You could be meditating. But if your internal state is still wired for performance, you are healing in freeze. And freeze doesn’t regenerate. It just delays collapse. Stillness is not nothingness. Stillness is where the body returns to truth. In stillness: •The vagus nerve activates. •The organs receive blood flow. •The immune system switches back on. •And the tissues begin letting go of survival tension. That’s not poetry. That’s physiology. Your body needs signal safety before it can heal. And safety doesn’t mean quiet. It means: I am no longer being chased by the invisible expectations of the world.” The Art of Not Doing is not inaction. It’s precision. It’s presence. It’s protest. It’s saying to your body: “I don’t need you to prove anything today.” “We get to exist without a role.” “We are allowed to heal… even if no one claps for it.” This is the end of performance. And the beginning of restoration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinJ Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Personally I feel there is a big misconception about what a spiritual awakening is all about. This too is another psyop to confuse matters and stop us taking action. Its not about how many plant based drugs you experiment with, meditations you try, or a system to base your beliefs on. Its simply a journey of understanding your true inner self and your purpose for being here. Learning to take back your power and stop surrendering it to the overlord system. On that road you will need to learn to shed ego based ideas, face darker truths of your personality, overcome ancestral and current trauma and learn to live at peace with your self and those around you. Everything else is window dressing. This is the true meaning of freedom. If you want to seek out tools to help then all of these (and many more) can help get you on the road: astrology, galactic astrology, gene keys, the lost octave, human design, numerology, I ching. If you want to clear ancestral trauma, check out QHHT or similar hypnosis techniques. The simple truth is that we are capable of so much more than the system program allows us to be. Stop watching the news, get out in nature, find ways to get out of the system. Little by little things will change for you and around you to move you forward. Most likely you will pick up new talents along the way to help you. We are here to have our own journey of discovery, not follow someone else's. Spirituality is not an exam you can pass or fail. The answers we seek are inside not outside of us.We create our belief system. So, whose do you want to follow, a system program, or your own inner guidance? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 Pratibimba Chaitanya: Sanskrit for reflected consciousness. This is how mind experiences pure consciousness and creates the feeling of I am. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted July 7 Author Share Posted July 7 (edited) Interesting insights from my favorite Vedanta writer Sony Pandey Pain Is a Portal: What Your Body’s Ache Is Actually Telling You Pain isn’t your enemy, it’s divine communication. Your nerves don’t age. Your cells resist. What feels like destruction is the system attempting purification. This isn’t just biology, it’s spiritual software trying to update biological hardware. You are not broken. You are buffering through the transition. Pain isn’t a mistake. And it isn’t just a signal of physical damage. It’s a high-fidelity alert that your body… specifically your cellular structure, is struggling to keep up with new information being transmitted through your system. Your nervous system, by nature, is designed to transmit signals instantly and without decay. Unlike other parts of the body, nerves don’t age in the traditional sense. Their job is to carry information…electrical, vibrational, sensory, emotional, from the inner and outer environment into the cells and tissues. They are fast, efficient, and timeless messengers. But the cells those nerves communicate with, especially in areas where trauma, memory, or inflammation exists, can become resistant. Cells age because they accumulate biochemical baggage: misfolded proteins, emotional memory, structural rigidity, and a reluctance to let go of old identity imprints. This includes beliefs, protective muscle contractions, immune reactions, and epigenetic scars. So pain doesn’t originate in the nerve. The nerve is trying to deliver a new frequency, a higher-order instruction… but the cell it’s speaking to is still holding on to an old narrative. This mismatch creates resistance, like when new software is installed on a system that hasn’t cleared out the old cache. The hardware starts to heat up, glitch, misfire. Not because it’s broken, but because it’s undergoing an incompatibility crisis. Kriya Yogis understood this deeply. They saw that pain is not just a symptom. It’s a transition point where three forces are at play : 1.Creation (Brahma): The source signal. The original, undistorted blueprint of your body and consciousness. 2.Preservation (Vishnu): The cellular tendency to stabilize and maintain past patterns that once served survival. 3.Destruction or Releasing (Shiva): The evolutionary force that steps in when preservation starts to block higher alignment. Acute pain often arises when Vishnu’s preserving force is overactive… meaning the body is over-anchored in old habits, outdated identity constructs, and protective responses that no longer serve you. The pain is not the destruction. It’s the conflict between preservation and transformation. Inflammation, tightness, burning, ache…these are not just biological symptoms. They are the friction of update. The life-force is trying to evolve your system, but your cells are still patterned around who you used to be. This is why pain is often not only trying to exit… it’s trying to enter. It’s trying to deliver new instruction, a more coherent signal. But in order to receive it, the cellular structure must release its identification with the past. That release is what we fear. That’s the resistance we feel. And that’s the “death” the body avoids. Pain is the collision point where new life tries to enter and old form refuses to dissolve. In physics terms, it’s the tension between entropy (decay) and negentropy (self-organization). Pain shows up where entropy has become normalized, but a negentropic impulse is trying to reorganize the structure. The solution isn’t to override it. And it isn’t to numb it. Instead, the call is to become still enough, present enough, and coherent enough to let the destructive force complete its job. Not to destroy you, but to dismantle what can no longer carry you into the next version of yourself. So when you feel that sudden burning, cramping, aching, or throbbing sensation… pause. Don’t label it as “bad.” Don’t suppress it with a default response. And don’t rush to distract yourself from it. Breathe into it. Track the resistance. Ask: what is trying to leave? What is trying to come in? Because in that sacred point of tension, what you’re calling “pain” may actually be the most intelligent update process your nervous system will ever attempt. You don’t need to chase bliss, pleasure, or healing. You need to create enough stillness in your field so the release can happen, and the update can land. That’s not suffering. That’s what transformation feels like when you’re mid-birth, but not yet reborn. Edited July 7 by Mr H 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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