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[Mr H]

25 minutes ago, Campion said:

  

 

 

I can relate to what you say about creating our own practices, I stopped following other people's meditation methods some years ago when I felt able to use my own.  Being in nature is another one where I can do my own thing and not need instructions.   

Yes even cultural stuff. You listen to a song once, why do we seek to listen again? We know how it ends. Laziness, lack of creativity to create new sound, desire to live in past memories and emotional states?

[RobinJ]

On 4/22/2025 at 4:39 AM, Campion said:

@Mr H  There seems to be two types of spirituality in this world. One type sees something wrong with what we are and wants to improve us: salvation, enlightenment, ascension, spiritual progress through levels, initiations, higher vibrations are promised in the future.  It's personal development with spiritual clothes on, accompanied with a whole bunch of narratives and images we don't actually experience.  The other type isn't trying to change anything, apart from just seeing through the illusions we have about life. It's based simply on the direct experience.  

Hmm its more than that though on the spiritual side. I've gained new talents in the physical brought on by doing spiritual work on myself and helping others with their own healing stuff.

 

I think there is always a tendency for people to poo poo stuff if they don't want to change, or are too comfortable in the same old shoes.

How many so called "awake to the world truths" people are actively helping others to clear out their emotional baggage?

Freedom, what everyone claims to want, starts with the self. The rest is just window dressing and opinion.

[Mr H]

7 hours ago, RobinJ said:

 

How many so called "awake to the world truths" people are actively helping others to clear out their emotional baggage?

Freedom, what everyone claims to want, starts with the self. The rest is just window dressing and opinion.

Yes I agree is helpful to do this, but as you mention in last part this is working on yourself. I would call this personal development, separate from spiritual work which is centered upon what experiences the self and it's nature.

[Mr H]

Something I was exploring today.

 

The need to be desired by other humans.

 

Why?

 

Is this natural or something we learned for survival we no longer need?

 

[Campion]

2 hours ago, Mr H said:

Something I was exploring today.

The need to be desired by other humans.

Why?

Is this natural or something we learned for survival we no longer need?

 

 

Isn't it part of the instinct for community and reproduction, which are effectively survival instincts. 

  

You made a post in another thread about us believing we are separate human entities.  Which is getting worse with modern atomised individualism and materialism which our culture promotes, whereas previously people were more connected through family, tribe, village etc.  I suggest that we do still need this community for survival, because our survival is clearly under threat at the moment with the low birth rates.  Humans are a social species like most other primates, and imo this social instinct is being taken over and degraded over by centralised governments and MSM (under cabal instruction) who dictate what social structures we are allowed. 

Edited April 27 by Campion

[Mr H]

1 hour ago, Campion said:

 

Isn't it part of the instinct for community and reproduction, which are effectively survival instincts. 

  

You made a post in another thread about us believing we are separate human entities.  Which is getting worse with modern atomised individualism and materialism which our culture promotes, whereas previously people were more connected through family, tribe, village etc.  I suggest that we do still need this community for survival, because our survival is clearly under threat at the moment with the low birth rates.  Humans are a social species like most other primates, and imo this social instinct is being taken over and degraded over by centralised governments and MSM (under cabal instruction) who dictate what social structures we are allowed. 

I'm not sure our survival is under threat. Our birth rates are indeed lower than before but the total number of humans is greater by several times than before....

 

But yes I think you're right in the analysis of why we do it. I guess it's kind of inbuilt..

 

 

[Campion]

12 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I'm not sure our survival is under threat. Our birth rates are indeed lower than before but the total number of humans is greater by several times than before.... 

 

That depends on who you identify as "us".  If you only identify at the species level and there's no distinctions between say, White British and sub-Saharan Africans (who are the main people with growing population) then you won't worry about any particular group declining.  But do they see you in the same way?  When my ethnic group becomes a minority and loses its power here, will all the others still treat us equally or will there be a competition with us being the underdogs?  

 

And if all that matters is some globalist notion of our common humanity, then the logic of that is to do away with nation states and bring us all together into a single world government ...  and the different cultures and ethnicities become little more than a hobby or aesthetic preference. 

[Mr H]

19 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

That depends on who you identify as "us".  If you only identify at the species level and there's no distinctions between say, White British and sub-Saharan Africans (who are the main people with growing population) then you won't worry about any particular group declining.  But do they see you in the same way?  When my ethnic group becomes a minority and loses its power here, will all the others still treat us equally or will there be a competition with us being the underdogs?  

 

And if all that matters is some globalist notion of our common humanity, then the logic of that is to do away with nation states and bring us all together into a single world government ...  and the different cultures and ethnicities become little more than a hobby or aesthetic preference. 

I mean I look at UK population in 1800 I think it was 8 m. Today it's 70m. 80%+ are white. So it seems our numbers are going up. Quite a bit!

 

Do I concern other gps are overtaking us? Not really I don't see this as a race war.... and there's nothing I can do about world populations anyway. I suspect they are driven by large macro economic factors mainly.

 

Yes I don't really believe in nation states. It's a pretty new concept in most places, largely made up by the Brits and French. For most of our history it has been normal to have no concept of a nation state.

[RobinJ]

Well this discussion has nothing to do with spirituality, which this thread is about.

 

The global cabal have a habit of telling you the truth of what they are up to, but in a way that can be read in many ways.

This of course leads to aggression, fear and/or arguing, confusion etc.

A single world govt can be good or bad, depending on the morals of those in charge. 

Owning nothing can also be the same. If we don't have money as a medium, which forces us into work slavery and a dog eat dog mindset, why do we need work for money just to own stuff? What's the point of all that stuff, it simply weighs us down and keeps us trapped. All this so we can give our lives up for bits of worthless paper, soon to become simply numbers on a screen....

True spiritual beliefs, not the new age hijacked CIA version, is about living to help each other as one cohesive unit for the good if all, not in fear of loss as now.

[Campion]

26 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I mean I look at UK population in 1800 I think it was 8 m. Today it's 70m. 80%+ are white. So it seems our numbers are going up. Quite a bit!

  

Well, the decline of white Brits started more recently than that, after the end of the baby boom in the early 1970s. We're now declining in absolute numbers as well as % of the population; predicted to become a minority in about 2066.  

 

30 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Do I concern other gps are overtaking us? Not really I don't see this as a race war.... and there's nothing I can do about world populations anyway. I suspect they are driven by large macro economic factors mainly.

  

'Race war' is a provocative term, reminiscent of Enoch Powell. I don't see it that way either, but there are the evolutionary forces at work.  I can promote the survival and wellbeing of my people without considering any offensive conflict with others - this is based in love of my people, not hatred of others, but hate is how the mainstream left portray it. 

 

37 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Yes I don't really believe in nation states. It's a pretty new concept in most places, largely made up by the Brits and French. For most of our history it has been normal to have no concept of a nation state.

 

Yes, starting around the age of Enlightenment when the ptb promoted a shift away from kingdoms to republics. During the medieval and early modern ages we were a kingdom within Christendom.  

 

22 minutes ago, RobinJ said:

Well this discussion has nothing to do with spirituality, which this thread is about.

   

It can be spiritual depending on which type of religion you're referring to. Many indigenous native spiritualities are closely connected with their respective ethnic groups, and as such have a vital interest in their survival and prosperity.  The ptb get very uncomfortable with westerners taking the same approach, because it conflicts with their global multicultural agenda. My spiritual journey has been taking me back to my own cultural roots within the Anglo-Saxon religion.  

[Mr H]

48 minutes ago, Campion said:

  

Well, the decline of white Brits started more recently than that, after the end of the baby boom in the early 1970s. We're now declining in absolute numbers as well as % of the population; predicted to become a minority in about 2066.  

 

  

'Race war' is a provocative term, reminiscent of Enoch Powell. I don't see it that way either, but there are the evolutionary forces at work.  I can promote the survival and wellbeing of my people without considering any offensive conflict with others - this is based in love of my people, not hatred of others, but hate is how the mainstream left portray it. 

 

 

Yes, starting around the age of Enlightenment when the ptb promoted a shift away from kingdoms to republics. During the medieval and early modern ages we were a kingdom within Christendom.  

 

   

It can be spiritual depending on which type of religion you're referring to. Many indigenous native spiritualities are closely connected with their respective ethnic groups, and as such have a vital interest in their survival and prosperity.  The ptb get very uncomfortable with westerners taking the same approach, because it conflicts with their global multicultural agenda. My spiritual journey has been taking me back to my own cultural roots within the Anglo-Saxon religion.  

Yeah. I just think if you look at any chart and it goes up in a parabola, you have to expect some form of correction. I think it's natural process. When other ethnic gps "catch up" economically I would guess they will experience the same. 

 

But even if we dropped 20% we're not close to any historic levels, we're still in big population numbers comparatively speaking to history. I guess the important thing is why the numbers are going down. If we're being poisoned it's concerning. If it's because of economic behavioural shift following a mega population spurt, personally I'm less concerned.

 

Yes I see what you're saying about preserving and respecting different ethnicities. I don't think we do that enough as white folks probably.....

 

 

[Mr H]

1 hour ago, RobinJ said:

Well this discussion has nothing to do with spirituality, which this thread is about.

 

 

Yes did go off piste... Point taken 

[Mr H]

So going back to my original qu without the depopulation stuffs. 

 

Is wanting to be attractive/desired, something we can transcend? Or an automated program to just observe?

 

I ask this question because I was having an honest look at my behavior, and noticed some of my unconscious behavior was to try and be attractive to women. And I thought, is there any benefit in this? Should I stop? I'm not 20 something at normal starting a family age. Feels a little like I'm being controlled by a program in this matter.

[Mr H]

When I first started my spiritual journey I used to hang with this dude. Lost touch but came across an old video of his today with much joy.

 

Others may find useful 

 

 

 

 

[Mr H]

I also wanted to discuss meditation

 

And get people's opinions on, is it dangerous to use guided meditations and mantra meditation prior to doing real meditation? I.e. sitting in silence?

 

Because the whole point of meditation is to go back to being, prior to putting on the time and space headset. This in itself occurs prior to mind and therefore silences the mind.

 

If you use guided or mantra you are using and are within the activity of mind, which defeats the whole point. Mind is active and leading the show. But you may trick yourself into thinking you meditated because the guided ones usually provide the mind with a relaxing experience (music, tone of voice etc)

[Campion]

11 hours ago, Mr H said:

I also wanted to discuss meditation

 

And get people's opinions on, is it dangerous to use guided meditations and mantra meditation prior to doing real meditation? I.e. sitting in silence?

 

Because the whole point of meditation is to go back to being, prior to putting on the time and space headset. This in itself occurs prior to mind and therefore silences the mind.

 

If you use guided or mantra you are using and are within the activity of mind, which defeats the whole point. Mind is active and leading the show. But you may trick yourself into thinking you meditated because the guided ones usually provide the mind with a relaxing experience (music, tone of voice etc)

 

I can't see any dangers to those meditations as long as you have a good teacher or source of guidance - that goes for any spiritual work though. 

 

They're all real meditation imo. Meditation is a big subject and there's a lot of people with different needs and on different paths.  Looking at it in practical terms, if someone's getting benefit from a technique then it's a good and real one.  

  

I look at this as a distinction between structured and unstructured techniques.  I think a lot of beginners to meditation can't take to unstructured methods like 'sitting in silence' so start with, because we're all brought up in a very busy and hyper-stimulated society which has no place for quiet and empty minds. I know I was. So some structure is helpful for many of us to make a move from 'doing' to 'being'.    

  

If it's right for someone to stay always with a structured meditation like mantra, body scan or visualisation, I can't see a problem with that. It's their choice and we have whatever wisdom we have, to evaluate these things for ourselves.  With more spiritual practice comes more wisdom (hopefully), and we can make better choices. 

 

Edited April 28 by Campion

[Mr H]

Going to share this answer here and explanation about gratitude. I was long wondering it's deeper meaning.

 

Written by Sony Pandey.

 

@Mitochondrial Evecc'ing you as we once had a conversation on this topic.

 

"Gratitude isn’t just a positive mindset.

It’s a real tuning of your entire being.

When you feel true gratitude, something powerful happens… your thoughts, your emotions, your body, and your energy start moving together, like instruments falling into a single beautiful rhythm. This alignment is what we call coherence! 

 

Coherence means you are no longer at war inside yourself. You r not split between fear and trust, doubt and hope. You become a clear channel… without static… where life’s current can flow freely through you again.

 

At the deepest level, gratitude shifts your awareness from “what’s missing” to “what already is.” And when you live in that recognition, life no longer feels like something you have to chase. You realize you were never separate from it.

 

Gratitude collapses the illusion of disconnection. It moves you from survival mode into creation mode. It reconnects you to the intelligence that naturally sustains health, creativity, and even longevity… without force, without struggle.

 

You don’t live longer because gratitude just makes you feel happier. You live longer because your body, mind, and spirit stop leaking energy into fear. You stop tearing yourself apart from within. You stop hemorrhaging life.

 

You become whole again. And life flows where there is wholeness.

 

This is why gratitude isn’t just a virtue.

In a world engineered to make you feel like you are always lacking something,

Gratitude is a radical act of self-remembrance.

 

When you say “thank you” not out of habit, but from the marrow of your being, u r not begging life for more.

You are vibrating at the same frequency that creates more.

 

And that’s why the field… the real field responds.

 

Gratitude isn’t just about living longer.

It’s about living aligned with the original current of life itself.

It’s about becoming life, remembering life, moving as life again. "

[Mr H]

32 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

I can't see any dangers to those meditations as long as you have a good teacher or source of guidance - that goes for any spiritual work though. 

 

They're all real meditation imo. Meditation is a big subject and there's a lot of people with different needs and on different paths.  Looking at it in practical terms, if someone's getting benefit from a technique then it's a good and real one.  

  

I look at this as a distinction between structured and unstructured techniques.  I think a lot of beginners to meditation can't take to unstructured methods like 'sitting in silence' so start with, because we're all brought up in a very busy and hyper-stimulated society which has no place for quiet and empty minds. I know I was. So some structure is helpful for many of us to make a move from 'doing' to 'being'.    

  

If it's right for someone to stay always with a structured meditation like mantra, body scan or visualisation, I can't see a problem with that. It's their choice and we have whatever wisdom we have, to evaluate these things for ourselves.  With more spiritual practice comes more wisdom (hopefully), and we can make better choices. 

 

Yes I see what you're saying here. Maybe dangerous is not the right word.

 

Maybe not very helpful is better? Depending on what we're seeking of course. If it's spiritual realization this cannot be a function of the mind. I guess these techniques after years of practice may dissolve the mind ? Giving the same results as the direct path just maybe longer.

 

But the majority of people I know do not really meditate for this reason. They do it to feel better. Which these things most certainly do, but feeling better won't help you too much spirituality.

 

So I guess it's mix of intention and what you mentioned resonance with a particular method...

[RobinJ]

On 4/28/2025 at 1:17 PM, Mr H said:

Yes I see what you're saying here. Maybe dangerous is not the right word.

 

Maybe not very helpful is better? Depending on what we're seeking of course. If it's spiritual realization this cannot be a function of the mind. I guess these techniques after years of practice may dissolve the mind ? Giving the same results as the direct path just maybe longer.

 

But the majority of people I know do not really meditate for this reason. They do it to feel better. Which these things most certainly do, but feeling better won't help you too much spirituality.

 

So I guess it's mix of intention and what you mentioned resonance with a particular method...

Well feeling better does help us though. The problem with too much analytical thinking is that we can often disappear up our own backsides. Running around in circles wondering if we are "doing it right."

If guided meditation helps calm then its already doing a good job. 

I think folks put too much attention on meditation. Its not essential. Calming the mind and body is all that's needed. We can do that sitting quietly in nature.

 

From my own perspective, hypnosis worked for me, as did binaural beats. Whatever gets you out of the program is fine. Use the time you disconnect from the program to expand your true self.

Once you open the door to spiritual aspects, you will be guided to find the best method for you. For me, it was certain frequencies and notes.

I rarely meditate, but I still gained some awesome new talents. That happened because I aligned to my core beliefs and values and started living them. I did that via NLP techniques way before my spiritual side kicked in. Nothing to do with meditation really.

[Mr H]

On 5/3/2025 at 3:58 PM, RobinJ said:

Well feeling better does help us though. The problem with too much analytical thinking is that we can often disappear up our own backsides. Running around in circles wondering if we are "doing it right."

If guided meditation helps calm then its already doing a good job. 

I think folks put too much attention on meditation. Its not essential. Calming the mind and body is all that's needed. We can do that sitting quietly in nature.

 

From my own perspective, hypnosis worked for me, as did binaural beats. Whatever gets you out of the program is fine. Use the time you disconnect from the program to expand your true self.

Once you open the door to spiritual aspects, you will be guided to find the best method for you. For me, it was certain frequencies and notes.

I rarely meditate, but I still gained some awesome new talents. That happened because I aligned to my core beliefs and values and started living them. I did that via NLP techniques way before my spiritual side kicked in. Nothing to do with meditation really.

It depends on the intention. If it's to realize your true self which many call enlightenment, feeling better practices will not help, can even make the ego much stronger than when you started! If it's wanting to feel better then I would agree, guided "meditation" or going out in nature will help. If you want to develop new skills, guided meditation, hypnosis can help. But will not realize the self. The only way to do that is to experience pure being which is prior to mind arising, which is the purest definition of meditation. The reason why guided meditation cannot achieve it is because you have to use your mind to follow it!

 

 

Edited May 6 by Mr H

[Mr H]

Not sure if anyone has experienced this before? Freaked me out and a little depressing. I've only had similar experience one time before in hypnopompic state. Never in the waking state.

 

This is experience I describe as actually, visually witnessing the formulation of the egoic charecter with your own eyes as it arises to meet objective experience. It's only purpose, is simply to survive and it will try and do anything to achieve this aim.

 

Depressing for two reasons. Ive spent so many years serving this projected psyche. Secondly, it leaves a vast , empty space, of nothing ness. I am truly a nobody. Liberating as well, but unfamiliar, 

[Mr H]

1 hour ago, Mr H said:

It depends on the intention. If it's to realize your true self which many call enlightenment, feeling better practices will not help, can even make the ego much stronger than when you started! If it's wanting to feel better then I would agree, guided "meditation" or going out in nature will help. If you want to develop new skills, guided meditation, hypnosis can help. But will not realize the self. The only way to do that is to experience pure being which is prior to mind arising, which is the purest definition of meditation. The reason why guided meditation cannot achieve it is because you have to use your mind to follow it!

 

 

I would add to this.

 

I don't think it's right to think that being enlightened or realizing your true self in human form is any kind of higher goal.

 

The truth is whether the fake you realizes it or not. You are consciousness at the essential level. Everything else leaves us. We don't need to realize this in human form. It doesn't make any difference to consciousness what you get up to. But many are on this path it seems.

[Campion]

17 hours ago, Mr H said:

I would add to this.

I don't think it's right to think that being enlightened or realizing your true self in human form is any kind of higher goal.

The truth is whether the fake you realizes it or not. You are consciousness at the essential level. Everything else leaves us. We don't need to realize this in human form. It doesn't make any difference to consciousness what you get up to. But many are on this path it seems.

 

Interesting take ... 

 

I'd just say that 'you' or rather 'me' is the consciousness self-referencing itself, usually via thought. Sometimes through a practice like self-inquiry or 'awareness of awareness'.  I do find self-referencing thoughts and ideas difficult and paradoxical though!  

[Mr H]

2 hours ago, Campion said:

 

Interesting take ... 

 

I'd just say that 'you' or rather 'me' is the consciousness self-referencing itself, usually via thought. Sometimes through a practice like self-inquiry or 'awareness of awareness'.  I do find self-referencing thoughts and ideas difficult and paradoxical though!  

Yes. If we go more hifaluten which I know you love we could say, consciousness never forgets itself in the first place. Then we can reduce a step further and say that nothing really exists.

 

Then I sit at the back of the class on my own in silence

 

Speaking to the one that is lost in experience, trying to find yourself via mind ain't gonna cut it....

 

[Mr H]

Just something that came up in meditation today......

 

What we seek in the objective world are really aspects of our inner world. Because the outside world is essentially not real, you will forever be chasing your tail there.

 

Paradoxically once you locate it in your inner world it will be reflected in your outer objective world 

 

Examples. As I'm a male I will use the two driving forces of male desire, money and sex.

 

Main driver for sex or relationship is usually loneliness.

 

What needs to be found in the inner world, is wholeness. And being comfortable by yourself. You could call this self love. Once you love yourself you will find love in the outer world 

 

What underlies our desire for money is our rememberance of our nature of being a creator. We desire competence, action, creativity, intelligent thinking - this is god like behavior. Find these things in your inner world and you will reflect abundant creativity in your outer world and money will flow.