Gnosticism & the depopulation agenda

[Mr H]

Ok so this is a bit of a weird thought I had after learning a bit about basics of Gnosticism.

 

Firstly I shouldn't have to say it but I'm not a Klaus shill. I'm not even sure there is a depopulation agenda although open to it, for the purposes of this discussion I will say it's true. And there isn't really any group called Gnostics, that's kind of like how the term anti vaxers was used ; description of numerous different early heretic christians seeking knowledge for salvation. Will refer to them as such for ease of use.

 

So what they believe is that a lot of things in this place is inverted to truth. The God folks are worshipping is really "the devil" .

They believe that this is a kind of hell. Not somewhere where you want to be exactly. Here is more akin to a death really of the true self. And the real life, heaven is with heavenly spirit and the other beings in the pleroma.

 

There seemed to be some sects who just had free for all orgies, and were hedonistic.

 

But from what I can make out. A large amount of these groups actually did their own depopulation agenda for their times. Men did not interact with women in most sects and deliberately did not seek procreation - why if you think this is hell, would you invite more spirit into hell right?

 

So this did get me thinking. Could Klaus and co, who could be depopulating via lowering sperm counts etc, actually be, a modern day Gnostic? And he believes he is saving us from hell?

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 17, 2024 by Mr H

[Mitochondrial Eve]

I have pondered on this too Mr H and this is one area where I find DI's message contradictory. On the one hand there is his disparagement of the Sabbatean Frankists for their antinomian doctrine but yet he has apparent sympathy for Gnostic teachings.

 

There have been many different Gnostic sects which are absent a standardised doctrine. Their origins are disputed among scholars and the various offshoots have brought in different influences. It seems that DI is strongly supportive of the type of Gnosticism stemming from Marcion of Sinope - a follower of Paul (Saul) the Apostle whose writings were attractive to Gnostics - who viewed the God of the Old Testament and the creator of the material universe as the Demiurge. Marcion depicted Yahweh as jealous, vengeful, wrathful and hellbent on punishing mankind through suffering and death. DI speaks in a similar vein when relating his understanding of the Archons.

 

Whilst antinomianism wasn't coined as a term until Martin Luther made comment on the doctrine during the Reformation, its roots can be traced back to the Gnostic sects which did not accept the totality of Old Testament moral law (the ten commandments which are widely considered throughout Judaism and Christianity as imperative). For example, the Cainites venerated Cain as the first victim of the Demiurge 'Hystera' and believed that Hystera's creation of heaven and earth should be dissolved. The Cainites revered other rejected figures such as Judas, Esau and the Sodomites and are said to have deliberately practiced “vile actions” as a means to “salvation”.

 

The Nicolaitans too were said to transgress Biblical laws surrounding fornication, adultery and sacrifice to demons. Their successors, the Borborites (“filthy ones”), also engaged in sexual rites and, according to Epiphanius, would “extract fetuses from pregnant women and consume them, particularly if the women accidentally became pregnant during related sexual rituals” which would “serve to prevent it from developing into another body 'for the archons' clutches'”. I will caveat that some of the claims that have been made about the Nicolaitans and Borborites may be exaggerated or written in order to discredit them.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cainites

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borborites

 

Albeit the aforementioned are some of the smaller sects, their existence within the Gnostic framework nevertheless shows how this philosophy of duality and the rejection of the material universe can lead to the breaking of taboos and morality in libertine fashion in contrast to the ascetism practiced by others of their creed. If adherents to this belief system understand that the totality of this reality is inherently evil and see it as a prison, naturally this could give rise to a desire for the destruction of this creation and for the transgression of any ethical standards. We are told that this is the intention of our overlords too.

 

Some have even gone so far as to say that Jacob Frank had a Gnostic outlook believing that a false God has hidden the identity of the true God hence the need to destroy any social and religious structures and moral codes which have been created by the imposter.

 

In light of the above, I cannot help but see the roots of the Sabbatean Frankist philosophy in Gnosticism where common ground is found in their scorn of the material realm.

[Mr H]

Yeah. Glad what I was trying to say was understood. Basically what @Mitochondrial Eve is saying who formulated it much better.

 

You know. I don't see how you can believe in prison planet and archon theory whilst at the same time, demonize a depopulation agenda ( in principle at least - perhaps the method). You have to be careful what you believe because it can lead to these dark actions.

 

I never looked into it, but I'm also wondering now, if some of these mass suicides have had anything to do with similar beliefs?

[Grumpy Grapes]

Eugenics is more to do with quality than quantity. The goal of the Ruling Elite, I reckon, is to 'perfect' the human race, though what they regard as 'perfection' is open to conjecture. 

[Hegel Schmegel]

I've often wondered myself why it is David Icke is so down on this physical world of materiality, calling it a simulation that we need to spiritually escape from, and yet at the same time has willfully brought forth children into 'the matrix.' Granted, maybe at the time of fathering his family Yaldabaoth was the farthest thing from his mind. Still, I wonder if his own grown-up kids think the same of this plane of existence as he does or does Icke have grandchildren?

 

There are those who refuse to offer up any more children to the Demiurge. 

 

Perhaps it is why Yahweh struck down Onan for having spilled/wasted his seed and why protected, recreational sex is demonized within the Abrahamic faiths. Could it be that these monotheistic believers worship at the same altar?

 

Consider the population of Earth and the percentage who make up worshipers of either Yahweh, Christ, or Al. For people whose minds are supposedly focused on an afterlife to come and who themselves believe this world a fallen one, ruled by an evil power, many of them sure do reproduce like rabbits!

[evanslr]

On 1/19/2025 at 10:47 PM, Hegel Schmegel said:

I've often wondered myself why it is David Icke is so down on this physical world of materiality, calling it a simulation that we need to spiritually escape from, and yet at the same time has willfully brought forth children into 'the matrix.' Granted, maybe at the time of fathering his family Yaldabaoth was the farthest thing from his mind. Still, I wonder if his own grown-up kids think the same of this plane of existence as he does or does Icke have grandchildren?

 

There are those who refuse to offer up any more children to the Demiurge. 

 

Perhaps it is why Yahweh struck down Onan for having spilled/wasted his seed and why protected, recreational sex is demonized within the Abrahamic faiths. Could it be that these monotheistic believers worship at the same altar?

 

Consider the population of Earth and the percentage who make up worshipers of either Yahweh, Christ, or Al. For people whose minds are supposedly focused on an afterlife to come and who themselves believe this world a fallen one, ruled by an evil power, many of them sure do reproduce like rabbits!

 

This is what the Ophite Gnostics believed as Tracy Twyman has explained in some of her videos. That is, that the material world is evil and that people should not have children. She said that child sacrifice to Ophite Gnostics was seen as liberating the soul from the material world and seen as a victory over the Biblical god or Demiurge which admittedly sounds weird. Perhaps this is why the elite want to depopulate the world, or maybe not. There does seem legitimate evil behind the elite so I doubt it could just be about that though.

[Mr H]

On 1/21/2025 at 1:58 AM, evanslr said:

 

This is what the Ophite Gnostics believed as Tracy Twyman has explained in some of her videos. That is, that the material world is evil and that people should not have children. She said that child sacrifice to Ophite Gnostics was seen as liberating the soul from the material world and seen as a victory over the Biblical god or Demiurge which admittedly sounds weird. Perhaps this is why the elite want to depopulate the world, or maybe not. There does seem legitimate evil behind the elite so I doubt it could just be about that though.

Just speculation. But could be something in this.

 

When you look at the secret societies they seem to come from gps like the Cathars who came from Gnostic traditions. And as you say many hated material life.

[RobinJ]

All this is very interesting but it ignores the point that we are all on our own karmic path, dealing with stuff which needs clearing.

My experiences are not the same as DI or anyone else.  We are here to experience certain aspects and to figure out if we can move forward.

I don't think its right to try and judge anothers' life path.

I feels like trying to squeeze a square peg into a round hole. 

We are all on a journey of discovery of self, finding the puzzle pieces as we go along.

[Miltonic]

I'm sceptical of the human depopulation agenda, if only because there are currently more human beings on this planet than at any other point in its geological history. 

 

The Great Replacement and the Kalergi Plan however, have to be real to some extent because what they describe is actually happening.