Keir Rodney Starmer to warn the nation that 'things will only get worse' and worse and worse....

[Grumpy Grapes]

Potential for a 'million march' in London, not that it will achieve much if the pandemic protests are anything to go by.

 

 

 

[Blencathra]

Oddly, upon viewing the mapped distribution of petitioners, the percentile bar only goes to 2.1 % +. I have a feeling this may be exceeded.

 

Re-edit: the range has just gone up!

Edited November 24, 2024 by Blencathra

[Tinfoil Hat]

1 hour ago, lobster said:

So did I, but I used a the tor browser, a temp email and someone else's post code I don't like much, send me a post card from the IOM

I've been signing petitions against our governments for decades, in my own name and with my own details. I'm not frightened - it's a matter of wanting them to know that I'm disgusted by their conduct. 

[lobster]

8 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

I've been signing petitions against our governments for decades, in my own name and with my own details. I'm not frightened - it's a matter of wanting them to know that I'm disgusted by their conduct. 

Well you should be, this is a government like no other we have ever had

Jocking aside, their reaction will be " more right wing extremists to be dealt with"  more censorship, more draconic laws and surveillance, having a few million people pissed off at them will not stop them, it will just make them go faster to shut it down

 

Edited November 24, 2024 by lobster

[Tinfoil Hat]

54 minutes ago, lobster said:

Well you should be, this is a government like no other we have ever had

Jocking aside, their reaction will be " more right wing extremists to be dealt with"  more censorship, more draconic laws and surveillance, having a few million people pissed off at them will not stop them, it will just make them go faster to shut it down

 

So what? Are we all going to comply with their bollocks and live in stifled fear, allowing them to continue goose stepping on ordinary people? 

 

They're going to do what they've planned to do, unless something / somebody manages to throw a spanner in their works at some point. In the meantime, I'm not prepared to cower. I want them out, and I make that known at every opportunity.

 

We've already been indoctrinated with diversity training at work, and this week, we were each instructed that we must on no account address each other, or customers as love or sweetheart or darling because it's sexual harassment. It's habitual for a lot of we northerners to use those kinds of harmless terms of endearment. I rarely do it but some of my colleagues do, and it's a platonic way of being friendly. Everything, but everything is being inverted and twisted, and everyone seems to be just going along with whatever is instructed. I'm sick of being told what opinions I must have and what I'm not allowed to say. And the determination of some to be offended by inoffensive things is offensive to me. 

 

I hate what's happening and I will continue to openly voice my dissent at every opportunity .

 

 

 

 

[Tinfoil Hat]

And the petition now has a refreshing 1,034,380 signatures.

[lobster]

11 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

So what? Are we all going to comply with their bollocks and live in stifled fear, allowing them to continue goose stepping on ordinary people? 

 

They're going to do what they've planned to do, unless something / somebody manages to throw a spanner in their works at some point. In the meantime, I'm not prepared to cower. I want them out, and I make that known at every opportunity.

 

We've already been indoctrinated with diversity training at work, and this week, we were each instructed that we must on no account address each other, or customers as love or sweetheart or darling because it's sexual harassment. It's habitual for a lot of we northerners to use those kinds of harmless terms of endearment. I rarely do it but some of my colleagues do, and it's a platonic way of being friendly. Everything, but everything is being inverted and twisted, and everyone seems to be just going along with whatever is instructed. I'm sick of being told what opinions I must have and what I'm not allowed to say. And the determination of some to be offended by inoffensive things is offensive to me. 

 

I hate what's happening and I will continue to openly voice my dissent at every opportunity .

 

 

 

 

And your voiced discontent will soon be illegal, I'm not cowering, neither am I making myself a martyr, btw it's not me saying you are in the wrong, I fully support your views and your right to express them. But if you are going to do so on line look into how to protect yourself, there is a lot lower bar for criminalisation of internet comments than there is real life comments

Edited November 24, 2024 by lobster

[Blencathra]

4 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

And the petition now has a refreshing 1,034,380 signatures.

It is buzzing along.  Quite hypnotic. Much more fun than watching the national debt count.

[Mr H]

27 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

So what? Are we all going to comply with their bollocks and live in stifled fear, allowing them to continue goose stepping on ordinary people? 

 

They're going to do what they've planned to do, unless something / somebody manages to throw a spanner in their works at some point. In the meantime, I'm not prepared to cower. I want them out, and I make that known at every opportunity.

 

We've already been indoctrinated with diversity training at work, and this week, we were each instructed that we must on no account address each other, or customers as love or sweetheart or darling because it's sexual harassment. It's habitual for a lot of we northerners to use those kinds of harmless terms of endearment. I rarely do it but some of my colleagues do, and it's a platonic way of being friendly. Everything, but everything is being inverted and twisted, and everyone seems to be just going along with whatever is instructed. I'm sick of being told what opinions I must have and what I'm not allowed to say. And the determination of some to be offended by inoffensive things is offensive to me. 

 

I hate what's happening and I will continue to openly voice my dissent at every opportunity .

 

 

 

 

Wow this seems to be common thing. Last place I worked we had HR videos on climate change and LGBTQ folks. And they implemented rules where certain language is banned, such as the word "wife" as it's offensive. They even had anonymous reporting system to capture people not adhering. I had to leave very quickly.

[Tinfoil Hat]

17 minutes ago, lobster said:

And your voiced discontent will soon be illegal, I'm not cowering, neither am I making myself a martyr, btw it's not me saying you are in the wrong, I fully support your views and your right to express them. But if you are going to do so on line look into how to protect yourself, there is a lot lower bar for criminalisation of internet comments than there is real life comments

I hope you don't think I was accusing you of anything. For clarity, I wasn't, and I don't class you as one one of the enemy's league. 

 

It might be illegal to voice discontent at some point. Maybe not so soon if Starmer's forced out though. 

[Tinfoil Hat]

5 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Wow this seems to be common thing. Last place I worked we had HR videos on climate change and LGBTQ folks. And they implemented rules where certain language is banned, such as the word "wife" as it's offensive. They even had anonymous reporting system to capture people not adhering. I had to leave very quickly.

It's rife and sickening. 

 

For the record, I was dining out with (amongst others) a gay couple who are good friends of mine. Since they both refer to each other as their wife, I highly doubt this supposed offensiveness is anything to do with their thinking 

Edited November 24, 2024 by Tinfoil Hat

[lobster]

9 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

I hope you don't think I was accusing you of anything. For clarity, I wasn't, and I don't class you as one one of the enemy's league. 

 

It might be illegal to voice discontent at some point. Maybe not so soon if Starmer's forced out though. 

Yes, I can't argue with that, but I'm wondering how likely an outcome that is, getting rid of starmer will just see him replaced by a clone, I'm not convinced an election would give a different government, a substantially reduced majority perhaps, the Tories are still in chaos , reform are a long way from being ready, the on line safety bill is on its way, we have open border immigration and an increasingly politized police and judical system, by the time ducks are in order it may be too late

Edited November 24, 2024 by lobster

[Tinfoil Hat]

Yes, they all have the same puppet masters. Still, if one of their lot is turfed out due to public pressure, the may be less emboldened to rush headlong with their unbridled despotism.

 

I do feel that the more who voice their objections, the better. If nothing else, at least we can say we didn't just submit.

Edited November 24, 2024 by Tinfoil Hat

[Malbec]

I have just been wondering about this, how would another election help? What's the alternative? Its almost like recognising the validity and benefits of their fake democracy by endorsing it.  

 

I wonder how many people who didn't vote have signed the petition as well.... 

[Katsika]

9 hours ago, Katsika said:

I've just signed it - 276,074 signatures just now.

 

 

5.42pm UK time it's showing 1,197,674!

[Grumpy Owl]

42 minutes ago, lobster said:

Yes, I can't argue with that, but I'm wondering how likely an outcome that is, getting rid of starmer will just see him replaced by a clone, I'm not convinced an election would give a different government, a substantially reduced majority perhaps, the Tories are still in chaos , reform are a long way from being ready, the on line safety bill is on its way, we have open border immigration and an increasingly politized police and judical system, by the time ducks are in order it may be too late

 

13 minutes ago, Malbec said:

I have just been wondering about this, how would another election help? What's the alternative? Its almost like recognising the validity and benefits of their fake democracy by endorsing it.  

 

I wonder how many people who didn't vote have signed the petition as well.... 

 

I can assure you that no matter how many signatures this petition gets, there won't be another general election any time soon, and Starmer is not likely to resign either.

 

Anyone remember the "Revoke Article 50" petition? That got over 5 million signatures.

[Katsika]

1 hour ago, Blencathra said:

It is buzzing along.  Quite hypnotic. Much more fun than watching the national debt count.

I was thinking the same!  When I looked just now it said 1,197,674 so that's over a million (is it, I'm just checking)?

[Blencathra]

11 minutes ago, Katsika said:

I was thinking the same!  When I looked just now it said 1,197,674 so that's over a million (is it, I'm just checking)?

Hi Katsika! Yes, it's over a million!

[Fluke]

6 hours ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

We've already been indoctrinated with diversity training at work, and this week, we were each instructed that we must on no account address each other, or customers as love or sweetheart or darling because it's sexual harassment. It's habitual for a lot of we northerners to use those kinds of harmless terms of endearment

I don't envy you there tinfoil matey. I work a lot from home now and from a company based up north, while it's corporate, they don't really pay much attention to DEI stuff and diversity training but I did have to do one of the generic courses last year. I should have really gone into it to gather information, but it was so horrendous I just had to disconnect myself from it, or disassociate may be a better word. Because it upsets me so much (not to sound sanctimonious)

 

We use the same language in the south east working class as well tinfoil and I expect over most parts of the country. I do find the northerners particularly charming though, especially Yorkshire (massive place I know) and the north east, Durham, Darlington and along the Scottish boarder. Everytime I go up north I always try and teach them how to speak properly. (That's a cheeky joke, sorry.) A weeeee joke aye! Meee cockka.  On a serious note they want to get rid of accents. I find the accents on our beautiful island fascinating and charming tbh. They are important we keep them. 

 

6 hours ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

I hate what's happening and I will continue to openly voice my dissent at every opportunity .

 

I do admire the northern ordinary folk who say it as it is as well there's a lot to be said about that I think they are where the battles will be metaphorically won. But It's extremely upsetting and dehumanising what they are doing. But I do see some really positive things happening. Me taking a normie point of view of politics this current lot have overstepped their hand. And whether people like trump or think his part of the cabal I don't actually think it matters at this point. It's set the tone. 

Edited November 24, 2024 by Fluke

[Fluke]

5 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

 

I can assure you that no matter how many signatures this petition gets, there won't be another general election any time soon, and Starmer is not likely to resign either.

 

Anyone remember the "Revoke Article 50" petition? That got over 5 million signatures.

I don't think it will do any harm though. I would urge people not to give their energy away though. Don't get hopes up but it may put some pressure. 

 

I'm not sure if they care if they are liked or not though.

[lobster]

24 minutes ago, Fluke said:

I don't think it will do any harm though. I would urge people not to give their energy away though. Don't get hopes up but it may put some pressure. 

 

I'm not sure if they care if they are liked or not though.

Of course they don't care, they have years before they even have to pretend care. 

[Katsika]

13 hours ago, Blencathra said:

Hi Katsika! Yes, it's over a million!

I think I have a mild form of dyscalculia wherein I often see numbers back to front as in "go to Gate 21C for your flight" but I head off to 12C instead   I misinterpreted the original number (276,074 when I signed it, as being 27,607) hence my need to check!

 

It's nudging up to 2 million now.

[Katsika]

[Katsika]

https://notonthebeeb.co.uk/so/4bPDYzs_3?cid=1fc5f0b1-a905-492d-80b2-94a041c4e3d9&region=a0a4a25c-37bb-4602-a3f2-250ce8f91a71

 

Recall of MPs Act 2015

Hello     The petition calling for a general election is flying at 2 million plus.   Alex replied to yesterday's newsletter, suggesting tackling each MP one by one triggering a by-election.     Hi Mark,   Although the petition to call a general election is getting attention, it seems to me that there is a similar but much better way to remove the sordid collection of Fabian Society Marxist saboteurs from office. There is no mechanism to force a general election by petition. But there is a mechanism to recall MPs by petition and force a by-election for each one of them.   As Labour (predictably) destroys the country on a daily basis, the number of citizens being oppressed and disadvantaged by their policies is becoming vast - the farmers, those with businesses, pensioners being frozen to death, those being taxed in every direction, drivers, those sick of the woke and Net Zero agendas, those fearful of WW3 etc. Every sitting MP who has supported policies which afflict, impoverish or endanger their constituents, often in direct contravention of their manifesto promises, can be recalled and removed from parliament under the Recall of MPs Act 2015   If the plan were mooted with enough circulation, action could be taken in every constituency. There is no need to wait for the next general election, by which time the damage done will be catastrophic. Maybe you can help disseminate this idea through your networks and those who are petitioning for a new general election.   Regards   Alex

Edited November 25, 2024 by Katsika
sorry, very wonky formatting

[Blencathra]

Hi Katsika - Very interesting - thank you!

 

Have had a quick look at the Act.  It has only three recall provisions and they are of a very narrow scope. The downside, I suppose, of having many lawyers becoming politicians. It looks as if they have it all tied-up, unless their expenses claims are not watertight. THAT could be weak spot.

 

Ergh! How depressing.

Edited November 25, 2024 by Blencathra