Keir Rodney Starmer to warn the nation that 'things will only get worse' and worse and worse....

[Piero]

2 hours ago, dumbcritic said:

 

Turns out it is even worse as if you don't have a digital ID you will need to carry a card instead. If not, you won't be able to rent, work, get a driving licence, use the NHS, etc.

 

As for Blair, he has been pushing it for years now, but I would say those higher than him are really behind it.

Yes, Tony Blair's masters and the same beings that control all governments.

 

[Katsika]

2 hours ago, dumbcritic said:

Turns out it is even worse as if you don't have a digital ID you will need to carry a card instead. If not, you won't be able to rent, work, get a driving licence, use the NHS, etc.

The same is happening all across Europe - here (in Greece) apparently we all have to apply for a new NUMBER (aka mark of the beast) or we will be prohibited as above!  The deadline is June 2026.  Apparently once we are issued with our number, every bit of data about us will be included and available to pretty much anyone who wants to see!

 

A few sheep have already signed up but most people that I know say "fuck that for a game of soldiers" - (hopefully) Kyriakos Myxomatosis (Greek PM) will soon be gone - we shall see.

[Piero]

4 hours ago, dumbcritic said:

 

As for Blair, he has been pushing it for years now, but I would say those higher than him are really behind it.

He's still very active in other ways too. He was recently roped in by Donald Trump’s Middle East envoy to work on a Gaza deal! 

 

[Piero]

On a more positive note, for around 20 years there have been many attempts to introduce an ID card, and each time they've failed. Hopefully,  this attempt will also fail. 

 

[SoundOfSilence]

2 hours ago, Piero said:

He's still very active in other ways too. He was recently roped in by Donald Trump’s Middle East envoy to work on a Gaza deal! 

 

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

The same nonsense was run in 2017.

 

Tony Blair Donald Trump: Is the President trying to recruit the former British PM? | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site for latest headlines

 

According to The Mail on Sunday newspaper, Blair met with Trump’s son-in-law and key adviser Jared Kushner last week to discuss working for the Republican president.

 

And now we have the same nonsense - according to sources. Who are never named.

 

Trump Envoy Turns to Tony Blair for Gaza Conflict Advice - The Media Line

 

Steve Witkoff, the US presidential envoy for Middle East affairs, has enlisted former British Prime Minister Tony Blair to advise on efforts to end the war in Gaza. According to sources familiar with the development,

 

Well, according to my 'sources', it's not true ...

[SoundOfSilence]

1 hour ago, Piero said:

On a more positive note, for around 20 years there have been many attempts to introduce an ID card, and each time they've failed. Hopefully,  this attempt will also fail. 

 

Except for the driver's license which was introduced in 1893.

 

14 August 1893: World's first driving licences introduced | MoneyWeek 

[Piero]

57 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

Except for the driver's license which was introduced in 1893.

 

14 August 1893: World's first driving licences introduced | MoneyWeek 

A driver's licence can be used as ID, but it's not actually an ID card that a person has to have at all times, so no. 

[Piero]

1 hour ago, SoundOfSilence said:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

The same nonsense was run in 2017.

 

Tony Blair Donald Trump: Is the President trying to recruit the former British PM? | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site for latest headlines

 

According to The Mail on Sunday newspaper, Blair met with Trump’s son-in-law and key adviser Jared Kushner last week to discuss working for the Republican president.

 

And now we have the same nonsense - according to sources. Who are never named.

 

Trump Envoy Turns to Tony Blair for Gaza Conflict Advice - The Media Line

 

Steve Witkoff, the US presidential envoy for Middle East affairs, has enlisted former British Prime Minister Tony Blair to advise on efforts to end the war in Gaza. According to sources familiar with the development,

 

Well, according to my 'sources', it's not true ...

If the report is false reporting, why hasn't Steve Witkoff told the media that the report, about him enlisting Tony Blair as his advisor, is untrue, then? 

[SoundOfSilence]

12 minutes ago, Piero said:

A driver's licence can be used as ID, but it's not actually an ID card that a person has to have at all times, so no. 

So the purpose of a driver's license is not to identify the driver?

 

Okay ...

[SoundOfSilence]

5 minutes ago, Piero said:

If the report is false reporting, why hasn't Steve Witkoff told the media that the report, about him enlisting Tony Blair as his advisor, is untrue, then? 

You'll have to ask Steve Witkoff.

 

He hasn't told me why.

[Piero]

1 minute ago, SoundOfSilence said:

So the purpose of a driver's license is not to identify the driver?

 

Okay ...

Only if the driver is driving a vehicle. 

[Piero]

2 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

You'll have to ask Steve Witkoff.

 

He hasn't told me why.

I have looked online for any denials of the report, but not a single one.

[SoundOfSilence]

5 minutes ago, Piero said:

Only if the driver is driving a vehicle. 

Where else would a driver be?

[SoundOfSilence]

4 minutes ago, Piero said:

I have looked online for any denials of the report, but not a single one.

And?

[Piero]

3 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

And?

If the report is true, he wouldn't issue a denial.

[Piero]

8 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

And?

The original post you replied to was not about driving licences, but about failed attempts of the government's, for around 20 years, to introduce a national ID card  Hopefully, I said, the current attempt will also fail. 

[SoundOfSilence]

11 minutes ago, Piero said:

If the report is true, he wouldn't issue a denial.

To make that argument you would need to demonstrate that the only reason someone would not deny a statement was because it was true.

 

If you can make the argument that there is no other possible explanation you would be correct.

 

But until then.

[SoundOfSilence]

8 minutes ago, Piero said:

The original post you replied to was not about driving licences,

 

Correct. It was about government issued ID cards.

 

I pointed out that a driver's license is a government issued ID card.

 

8 minutes ago, Piero said:

but about failed attempts of the government's, for around 20 years, to introduce a national ID card 

 

And a driver's license was not a failed attempt.

 

The fact that an ID card is not carried at all times does not mean it is not an ID card. A driver's license is still a government issued document that is accepted as valid identification to carry out banking transactions, to borrow money or to transact with governments.

 

It is the very definition of a government ID card.

 

Not sure what you're thinking of as a government ID, but let's call it a Piero card. If I'm out surfing, do I need to carry my Piero card with me?

 

Is it no longer an ID because I don't carry to go surfing?

 

Or is it a government ID card because banks will accept my Piero card as a valid ID when I wave it in the bank teller's face?

[Campion]

6 hours ago, Katsika said:

The same is happening all across Europe - here (in Greece) apparently we all have to apply for a new NUMBER (aka mark of the beast) or we will be prohibited as above!  The deadline is June 2026.  Apparently once we are issued with our number, every bit of data about us will be included and available to pretty much anyone who wants to see!

 

A few sheep have already signed up but most people that I know say "fuck that for a game of soldiers" - (hopefully) Kyriakos Myxomatosis (Greek PM) will soon be gone - we shall see.

  

I get that people are wary about identity cards. What I don't understand is the need for new identity numbers when we already have, and apparently accept, the national insurance system which is surely an identity number. In the UK we've had NI cards and numbers since 1948, you need them to access a lot of public services and some private ones like ISA savings accounts.  Perhaps the difference is that they are still a bit old-school and don't (afaik) contain biometric data, link to phone numbers / email addresses (and therefore your social media footprint).  

[Piero]

16 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

 

Correct. It was about government issued ID cards.

 

I pointed out that a driver's license is a government issued ID card.

 

 

And a driver's license was not a failed attempt.

 

The fact that an ID card is not carried at all times does not mean it is not an ID card. A driver's license is still a government issued document that is accepted as valid identification to carry out banking transactions, to borrow money or to transact with governments.

 

It is the very definition of a government ID card.

 

Not sure what you're thinking of as a government ID, but let's call it a Piero card. If I'm out surfing, do I need to carry my Piero card with me?

 

Is it no longer an ID because I don't carry to go surfing?

 

Or is it a government ID card because banks will accept my Piero card as a valid ID when I wave it in the bank teller's face?

Let me clarify.  I was not saying that I hope the government’s will not issue digital ID cards, obviously! I was posting to say that I hope the government fails again to issue the type of ID card that everyone has to carry. Hope that clarifies things for you!

[Piero]

33 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

To make that argument you would need to demonstrate that the only reason someone would not deny a statement was because it was true.

 

If you can make the argument that there is no other possible explanation you would be correct.

 

But until then.

You're the one making the claim the report is false, so it's up to you to back up your claim. 

 

[SoundOfSilence]

6 minutes ago, Piero said:

Let me clarify.  I was not saying that I hope the government’s will not issue digital ID cards, obviously! I was posting to say that I hope the government fails again to issue the type of ID card that everyone has to carry. Hope that clarifies things for you!

There are already government ID cards.

 

Which responds to your claim of continued failure to accomplish this.

 

I hope that clarifies things for you.

[SoundOfSilence]

1 minute ago, Piero said:

You're the one making the claim the report is false, so it's up to you to back up your claim. 

 

Oh, is it.

 

In that case:

 

Piero claims that the failure by Steve Witkoff to issue a denial of the report that Tony Blair is assisting with the Middle East talks can only mean that Tony Blair is assisting Steve Witkoff with the Middle East peace talks.

 

For this to be true there can be no other possible explanation for Steve Witkoff's failure to issue a denial.

 

Therefore, to refute Piero's claim it only needs to be demonstrated that another possible explanation exists for Steve Witkoff's failure to issue a denial.

 

The reason that Steve Witkoff is unable to issue a denial is that he is busy shampooing his cushion covers.

 

That is a Q.E.D.

[Piero]

8 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

There are already government ID cards.

 

Which responds to your claim of continued failure to accomplish this.

 

I hope that clarifies things for you.

I'm not concerned about ID cards that are driving licences, though, but I am concerned about a national ID card, the type the EVERYONE has to carry. The government has attempted to introduce that type of ID card many times in the past, and I hope this most recent attempt fails again! 

[SoundOfSilence]

Just now, Piero said:

I'm not concerned about ID cards that are driving licences, though, but I am concerned about a national ID card, the type the EVERYONE has to carry. The government has attempted to introduce that type of ID card many times in the past, and I hope this most recent attempt fails again! 

Do you ever leave the house without ID?

 

I do all the time.

 

You should try it.