Jesus army Northampton

[JONJAY79]

Many years ago . I had fallen on hard times in London and met the battle bus . The battle bus was a multicoloured double decker bus used by the jesus army.

 

First person who I met was Paul from Wales he had false legs from throwing himself in front of a train I was told. 

 

Soon after the attempted suicide he had found Christianity. Then came in contact with the jesus army.

 

My first impressions was really friendly and I was taken to the battle centre in London invited by a guy called Rufus who had a cross shaped into his hair .

 

All was good relaxing next morning was invited to New creation farm .

 

On arrival at New creation Farm met Noal stanton a very strange and quiet man who only really came alive when he was on stage preaching. 

 

He was also deeply disturbed with me playing meatloaf bat out of hell the following morning. Rufus explained secular music and radio's and television were forbidden. 

 

All seemed really good spent a few months at new creation farm then moved into Jewel house a house hold run by Chris fatherheart. Yes for some strange reason we were given virtue names. 

 

As the months went on found myself continuing breaking up punch ups and sensed almost something sinister there. Anyway I decided to move into my own bed sit close to the church then months later had to get away from it.

 

 

Jesus army now closed down with lots of abuse that had been hidden for many year's rape, sexual assault, child abuse was very much covered up.

 

Anyone else spent time in the jesus army?

 

I was in the jesus army 94/95

[JONJAY79]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Army

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https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDRDa4Pgcc_c0sqnVLDxnLg_GQ17mCHuO

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R5SVmuws1uU&pp=ygUWamVzdXMgYXJteSBkb2N1bWVudGFyeQ%3D%3D

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SoJAeBYtHD0&pp=ygUWamVzdXMgYXJteSBkb2N1bWVudGFyeQ%3D%3D

[Mr H]

Never heard, sounds wild mate .

[Campion]

I remember the Jesus Army, we used to have their battle buses in our town but it wasn't my cup of tea (putting it mildly). I did get to know one family who were in it, friends of friends, very nice welcoming people and I think fairly high up in the local church. But I got the impression that a lot of other members were not doing so well in life, due to their practice of street evangelism and the community homes you mentioned providing a place to stay. I expect they helped some people neglected by mainstream society but yeah it did have too much of a culty vibe for my liking (and I'm not a Christian anyway).  Though I was a bit surprised by the abuse allegations and the church closing down about 5 years ago. 

[JONJAY79]

4 hours ago, Mr H said:

Never heard, sounds wild mate .

Yes it wild wild at times 

[JONJAY79]

28 minutes ago, Campion said:

I remember the Jesus Army, we used to have their battle buses in our town but it wasn't my cup of tea (putting it mildly). I did get to know one family who were in it, friends of friends, very nice welcoming people and I think fairly high up in the local church. But I got the impression that a lot of other members were not doing so well in life, due to their practice of street evangelism and the community homes you mentioned providing a place to stay. I expect they helped some people neglected by mainstream society but yeah it did have too much of a culty vibe for my liking (and I'm not a Christian anyway).  Though I was a bit surprised by the abuse allegations and the church closing down about 5 years ago. 

Yes part of it was a nice place good people but also got the vibes of some sinister people there. 

I more or less got asked to leave bit too rebellious. 

Yes some people really found a home there. 

 

But there was a underline authority there that was almost sinister. Noel stanton actually thought he was in direct contact with Jesus. We had these Agape meetings for the inner circle and Noal would tell certain people god has given them a order that they need to take a vow of celibacy for the rest of their lives. 

 

There was also a few instances that was evil there was a young lady think from France she got thrown out late at night and tried hitching and was picked up raped and killed. 

Very sick to throw people out late at night just because they were rebellious. The longer I stayed there I found out a number of suspicious deaths had occurred there something was not right about that place.

[MarkP]

I have lived at Jewel House. It was the best place I have lived at in my life and met the most genuine people at the Jesus Army. I came to know the MJA as they were also known when I was walking home from a night shift at Piccadilly Circus. They were there handing out pamphlets to people and singing, and inside the bus they had tea. Coming straight from work was nice talking to someone. I wasn't a believing Christin at that time, but I lived in an abusive relationship with my girlfriend. 

 

After several weeks of meeting the bus people as I called them after work, I told them about my issues, and he said if you want to get out just take what you can, and well be helping. I said how she has my ID, passport etc. It will upset her... The next Friday, I had 3 T-shirts, 2 trousers packed and told him I'm ready. I moved into Jewel House and found work at Good Timber that was a Jesus Army company, only employing members of the JA. I lived there for many years, helping out at the NCC and the farm picking apples, making juice and selling it at farmer's markets. I loved the marches and picnics. I've not been aware of the abuse that was going on and I feel really sorry and sad for those people. It is a shame they folded the JA because it did a lot of good and in times like these it would be greatly needed.

[Mr Crabtree]

The Jesus Army could be no worse than some of the weirdos who donned the Salvation Army uniform that's for sure! In my small Midland Market Town was a Salvation Hall and there were several there who were no better than they should be! a Lieutenant and one of his short arsed little soldiers who constantly had 'wandering hands', an organist who got pissed every night except Friday and Saturday when she donned the uniform and sold the War Cry around all the local pubs. And a couple who rowed every Sunday morning before attending the Sunday service, the wife regularly knocked the husband about and on one occasion smashed his big drum and slung that and his clothes into the street! They had a daughter who was epileptic and lived in a flat on her own, not a good thing for an epileptic, she slipped through the net and was eventually found in a decomposed condition after having a fit and dying in the bath! Her 'Christian' parents hadn't visited her for over 2 months, too busy fighting amongst themselves presumably to worry about their epileptic daughter! There were other things too, that I won't go into, but suffice to say I'm not a Christian anymore either, most things about that crowd was an utter 'sham'! Even now over thirty years later I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire, here in Brighton they had a collector who had his 'tin' stolen one Saturday afternoon and it was found by the caretaker of a block of flats two miles away, lying { empty} in the bushes near his building! Incidentally, this was the same block that the collector lived in, what an extraordinary coincidence 'eh? I'd rather trust a rattlesnake than trust those devious 'Christians'! Religion is total bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but if it gives the gullible some form of comfort, then so be it, but it's not the thing for me I'm afraid!

[JONJAY79]

7 hours ago, MarkP said:

I have lived at Jewel House. It was the best place I have lived at in my life and met the most genuine people at the Jesus Army. I came to know the MJA as they were also known when I was walking home from a night shift at Piccadilly Circus. They were there handing out pamphlets to people and singing, and inside the bus they had tea. Coming straight from work was nice talking to someone. I wasn't a believing Christin at that time, but I lived in an abusive relationship with my girlfriend. 

 

After several weeks of meeting the bus people as I called them after work, I told them about my issues, and he said if you want to get out just take what you can, and well be helping. I said how she has my ID, passport etc. It will upset her... The next Friday, I had 3 T-shirts, 2 trousers packed and told him I'm ready. I moved into Jewel House and found work at Good Timber that was a Jesus Army company, only employing members of the JA. I lived there for many years, helping out at the NCC and the farm picking apples, making juice and selling it at farmer's markets. I loved the marches and picnics. I've not been aware of the abuse that was going on and I feel really sorry and sad for those people. It is a shame they folded the JA because it did a lot of good and in times like these it would be greatly needed.

Yes there was alot of good people at the church but the power structure is what ultimately lead to the down fall. I believe Noel had to much power and I think it just went to his head. 

Can remember 1 time Noel talking at one of the agape meetings and commanding people to be celibate for the kingdom and referring to other churches as worldly churches. 

The jesus army could of been so much more the ideas and the creativity were in abundance  

 

The church really should of been more open and abuse not hid out of sight. If there's a allegation of rape or sexual abuse police should of been notified straight away and precautions put in place to sage guard the community. 

 

Part of me does miss the times we had there and met lots of really good people but also sinister people .

 

What year was you there Mark

[JONJAY79]

3 hours ago, Mr Crabtree said:

The Jesus Army could be no worse than some of the weirdos who donned the Salvation Army uniform that's for sure! In my small Midland Market Town was a Salvation Hall and there were several there who were no better than they should be! a Lieutenant and one of his short arsed little soldiers who constantly had 'wandering hands', an organist who got pissed every night except Friday and Saturday when she donned the uniform and sold the War Cry around all the local pubs. And a couple who rowed every Sunday morning before attending the Sunday service, the wife regularly knocked the husband about and on one occasion smashed his big drum and slung that and his clothes into the street! They had a daughter who was epileptic and lived in a flat on her own, not a good thing for an epileptic, she slipped through the net and was eventually found in a decomposed condition after having a fit and dying in the bath! Her 'Christian' parents hadn't visited her for over 2 months, too busy fighting amongst themselves presumably to worry about their epileptic daughter! There were other things too, that I won't go into, but suffice to say I'm not a Christian anymore either, most things about that crowd was an utter 'sham'! Even now over thirty years later I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire, here in Brighton they had a collector who had his 'tin' stolen one Saturday afternoon and it was found by the caretaker of a block of flats two miles away, lying { empty} in the bushes near his building! Incidentally, this was the same block that the collector lived in, what an extraordinary coincidence 'eh? I'd rather trust a rattlesnake than trust those devious 'Christians'! Religion is total bollocks as far as I'm concerned, but if it gives the gullible some form of comfort, then so be it, but it's not the thing for me I'm afraid!

We all have a belief system the and I suppose it books down to how much does that belief system benefit you. Ultimately every religion and belief  system can be used in a tantric sort of way .

 

 

[JONJAY79]

A good story in Buddhism is when the Buddha goes to meet a great healer who has lost his healing powers. 

 

The healer pleaded with the Buddha to help him restore his healing powers. 

 

The Buddha gave the healer a magic stone that had been passed down from ancient healers to help restore his ability to heal. 

 

The Buddha spoke that it would only work if you put your absolute faith into the stone. 

 

The Buddha received a message that the healer had restored his ability to heal again.

 

Next the Buddha crept into the healers room and removed the stone. 

 

When the Buddha met the healer the healer was distraught and apologetic and said I'm sorry I've lost the stone.

 

The Buddha asked did the stone help in any way the healer replied yes .

 

The Buddha then replied  " The first day I came to visit you I found that stone in your court yard " 

 

The Buddha explained this is how faith works .

 

The art of Tantric practice ️ 

 

Jesus or that Stine can be used for tantric practice. 

 

As Bruce Lee quoted "It's like a finger pointing to the moon"

 

 

Edited August 25, 2024 by JONJAY79

[Campion]

It's a good story apart from the Buddha lying to the healer about the stone, he's breaking one of his own moral precepts there. 

[JONJAY79]

On 8/25/2024 at 11:48 PM, Campion said:

It's a good story apart from the Buddha lying to the healer about the stone, he's breaking one of his own moral precepts there. 

Depends what you mean about lying .He was actually showing the healer he already had the healing inside. 

 

 

[Campion]

21 hours ago, JONJAY79 said:

Depends what you mean about lying .He was actually showing the healer he already had the healing inside. 

 

Ok, so it wasn't a magic stone like he said, the magic was in the healer. And that story about the stone being passed down from ancient times wasn't true either because the Buddha only just picked it up off the ground. But perhaps white lies are allowed in Buddhism if they get the right result. 

[JONJAY79]

22 hours ago, Campion said:

 

Ok, so it wasn't a magic stone like he said, the magic was in the healer. And that story about the stone being passed down from ancient times wasn't true either because the Buddha only just picked it up off the ground. But perhaps white lies are allowed in Buddhism if they get the right result. 

Not lies just showing the illusion .

[no kidding]

I think that they just see things differently. Once in a taxi in Bangkok, I was chatting to the driver when a fly came in through the window and onto the windscreen. He took a tissue from the box fixed to the sun visor and killed the fly. I said that I thought you weren't supposed to kill things, and his reply was, "I didn't kill the fly, the tissue did." That was 30 years ago, and the memory has stayed with me ever since. 

[JONJAY79]

On 8/24/2024 at 7:01 PM, MarkP said:

I have lived at Jewel House. It was the best place I have lived at in my life and met the most genuine people at the Jesus Army. I came to know the MJA as they were also known when I was walking home from a night shift at Piccadilly Circus. They were there handing out pamphlets to people and singing, and inside the bus they had tea. Coming straight from work was nice talking to someone. I wasn't a believing Christin at that time, but I lived in an abusive relationship with my girlfriend. 

 

After several weeks of meeting the bus people as I called them after work, I told them about my issues, and he said if you want to get out just take what you can, and well be helping. I said how she has my ID, passport etc. It will upset her... The next Friday, I had 3 T-shirts, 2 trousers packed and told him I'm ready. I moved into Jewel House and found work at Good Timber that was a Jesus Army company, only employing members of the JA. I lived there for many years, helping out at the NCC and the farm picking apples, making juice and selling it at farmer's markets. I loved the marches and picnics. I've not been aware of the abuse that was going on and I feel really sorry and sad for those people. It is a shame they folded the JA because it did a lot of good and in times like these it would be greatly needed.

Are you aware fatherheart passed away he was a good bloke used to be a amphetamine addict but prior also good judo guy head of jewel house for many years.

[JONJAY79]

On 8/24/2024 at 7:01 PM, MarkP said:

I have lived at Jewel House. It was the best place I have lived at in my life and met the most genuine people at the Jesus Army. I came to know the MJA as they were also known when I was walking home from a night shift at Piccadilly Circus. They were there handing out pamphlets to people and singing, and inside the bus they had tea. Coming straight from work was nice talking to someone. I wasn't a believing Christin at that time, but I lived in an abusive relationship with my girlfriend. 

 

After several weeks of meeting the bus people as I called them after work, I told them about my issues, and he said if you want to get out just take what you can, and well be helping. I said how she has my ID, passport etc. It will upset her... The next Friday, I had 3 T-shirts, 2 trousers packed and told him I'm ready. I moved into Jewel House and found work at Good Timber that was a Jesus Army company, only employing members of the JA. I lived there for many years, helping out at the NCC and the farm picking apples, making juice and selling it at farmer's markets. I loved the marches and picnics. I've not been aware of the abuse that was going on and I feel really sorry and sad for those people. It is a shame they folded the JA because it did a lot of good and in times like these it would be greatly needed.

 

[JONJAY79]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-53450901

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qejd0njpeo.amp

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BBC new documentary on the Jesus army.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2025/inside-the-jesus-army-announcement