American Election 2024

[Campion]

Yes he's been saying some crazy stuff about taking over Canada and Greenland too.  At this rate even his friends won't believe what he's talking about and only his actions will mean anything.  Mind you it's only a more extreme version of what all politicians are like.  

[cosmicinaudio]

I find it interesting how lefties, among others, usually say that Britain is an evil colonialist nation that should give up the Falkland Islands and other overseas territories, yet the same people seem to be up in arms about Denmark being asked to do the same thing. Double standards surely?

[lobster]

On 1/7/2025 at 9:30 PM, SoundOfSilence said:

Trump has been fairly quiet since he won the election.

 

Though today, having been certified, he held a press conference.

 

Of course, Russia came up. In particular, the discussion turned to Ukraine in NATO. 

 

Trump reiterated that wants to get a deal done. He wants the killing to stop.

 

The rest of Trump's response showed that he completely gets the NATO point. He explained that he understands how Russia would feel nervous having NATO right on its border. He went on to state that he feels that Russia had an agreement there would be no NATO expansion and that the Biden regime broke that agreement which was a very dangerous and stupid thing to do.

 

He didn't stipulate what that agreement was, but I suspect he is referring to the assurances given when Germany unified.

 

However, it does give him an easy path to agreeing to no NATO by honoring an earlier agreement.

 

It seems that Trump allowed idiots like Sebastian Gorka to spout nonsense which the globalists would like so as not to interfere with his certification.

 

Interestingly, Elensky on the Lex Fridman podcast still feels that Ukraine will be admitted to NATO.

 

Stay away from drugs!

 

I wonder if Elensky yet appreciates that any deal is unlikely to involve him. Russia has correctly pointed out he is illegitimate. Plus, he would be breaking his own law of not negotiating with Russia while Putin is president (whatever the Russian title is).

 

Kellog's visit has been called off for now. This may well be because if Elensky won't be around what is the point of talking to him now.

 

I wonder if Elensky's end will be similar to the final scene in Scarface? 

 

The Al Pacino version.

 

Of interest Trump brought up the Panama Canal again. He wants it back. He said it is vital for US national security. Apparently, Panama has let it fall into the hands of the Chinese. If the Canal was cut off (explosives), then the US fleet would have to go around South America.

 

I wonder if Trump has been briefed on the Chinese sleeper cells infiltrating the US over its Southern border. There were also a lot of Chinese military based in Canada under Chairman Trudeau. Not sure if they are still there.

 

Maybe there's some truth in the Chinese drone mothership. I doubt it, but clearly Trump has information that China is more of a threat than he perceived in his first term.

 

The bad news is that he doubled down on stupid regarding the Middle East. Threatening Hamas over the Israeli hostages that all hell will break out if they are not released.

 

Has he seen Gaza?

 

How could you possibly make it worse?

 

If levelling Gaza didn't free them how could re-bombing the rubble possibly pose a threat?

 

 

I think trump is quite mad, , I have no doubt he is serious about taking greenland of Denmark,  it's not like he has to invade, there are a number of US bases there and no Danish troops.. what's Europe going to do ? Start a trade war, trump would love that as an excuse to with draw from nato. He will probably take a tip from vlad, organise a dodgy referendum and say this is ours now

 

 

I'm not sure Putin will trifle with him either, Putin knows he is deranged, he would be ill advised to go into a who will push the nuclear button competition with him, I think russia will give back a lot of the territory its taken in return for a treaty 

 

Bombing gaza is a but pointless, bombing Iran as their paymasters isn't if I lived near one of their leaders I'd move, before they get a cruise missile through the letter box.

 

As to Panama,  it's not clear why they gave a canal they had paid for back in the first place, it will only take half a day to get it back 

Edited January 8 by lobster

[SoundOfSilence]

2 hours ago, lobster said:

I think trump is quite mad,

 

Mad? He must be absolutely livid.

 

He's been shot in the ear as well as other foiled assassination attempts.

 

He has been the target of the Mockingbird media. Had a false Russian dossier made up by the Clintons and MI6.

 

Been subjected to fake impeachments lawfare and ridiculous criminal prosecutions.

 

2 hours ago, lobster said:

 

, I have no doubt he is serious about taking greenland of Denmark,  it's not like he has to invade, there are a number of US bases there and no Danish troops.. what's Europe going to do ? Start a trade war, trump would love that as an excuse to with draw from nato. He will probably take a tip from vlad, organise a dodgy referendum and say this is ours now

 

I have no doubt he is serious about Greenland. It is of strategic importance. He wanted to acquire it last time he was President.

 

I suspect he will negotiate for it. Denmark is a fellow NATO member state.

 

I think the population of Greenland is small. Around 45,000 and there seems to be a consensus to become part of the US.

 

The problem with a referendum is that, unlike the four regions of Ukraine, Greenland is not being persecuted by Denmark. It cannot rely on secession as a last resort as in the case of Ukraine.

 

2 hours ago, lobster said:

 

 

I'm not sure Putin will trifle with him either, Putin knows he is deranged,

 

How do you know this?

 

2 hours ago, lobster said:

he would be ill advised to go into a who will push the nuclear button competition with him, I think russia will give back a lot of the territory its taken in return for a treaty 

 

Even if Putin wanted to surrender the territory there is both a legal and a political impediment.

 

Legal since that territory is already part of Russia. President Vladimir Putin signs laws absorbing four Ukrainian regions into Russia, in defiance of international law - ABC News

 

Putin lacks the authority. 

 

The political mood in Russia is that even more of Ukraine should be taken.

 

Around 100,000 Russians have died so the average Josef wants something in return for their blood.

 

That is generally how war works. When one side has achieved victory, they don't bargain away their gains.

 

There would be a massive outcry among Russians if he tried to hand it back. 

 

2 hours ago, lobster said:

 

Bombing gaza is a but pointless, bombing Iran as their paymasters isn't if I lived near one of their leaders I'd move, before they get a cruise missile through the letter box.

 

Taking on Iran will not go well for the US or Israel.

 

Though it could happen before Trump takes office.

[lobster]

19 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

 

Mad? He must be absolutely livid.

 

He's been shot in the ear as well as other foiled assassination attempts.

 

He has been the target of the Mockingbird media. Had a false Russian dossier made up by the Clintons and MI6.

 

Been subjected to fake impeachments lawfare and ridiculous criminal prosecutions.

 

 

I have no doubt he is serious about Greenland. It is of strategic importance. He wanted to acquire it last time he was President.

 

I suspect he will negotiate for it. Denmark is a fellow NATO member state.

 

I think the population of Greenland is small. Around 45,000 and there seems to be a consensus to become part of the US.

 

The problem with a referendum is that, unlike the four regions of Ukraine, Greenland is not being persecuted by Denmark. It cannot rely on secession as a last resort as in the case of Ukraine.

 

 

How do you know this?

 

 

Even if Putin wanted to surrender the territory there is both a legal and a political impediment.

 

Legal since that territory is already part of Russia. President Vladimir Putin signs laws absorbing four Ukrainian regions into Russia, in defiance of international law - ABC News

 

Putin lacks the authority. 

 

The political mood in Russia is that even more of Ukraine should be taken.

 

Around 100,000 Russians have died so the average Josef wants something in return for their blood.

 

That is generally how war works. When one side has achieved victory, they don't bargain away their gains.

 

There would be a massive outcry among Russians if he tried to hand it back. 

 

 

Taking on Iran will not go well for the US or Israel.

 

Though it could happen before Trump takes office.

The political mood in Russia is stop the war before they kill any more young men, that's the mood in Ukraine as well, it always is once you cut through the political rhetoric 

 

Putin is an astute judge of character,  if I can tell trump is deranged on tv I'm sure he can having met him.

 

Putin will find away to sell it as a victory

 

Denmark will not sell it willingly,  its loaded with rare metals and diamonds,  just grabbing it and posting a cheque might work.

The population want to be independent,  but cant be as it isn't a viable country , unlessvthey dig up the rare metals,  I'm not aware they have expressed a wish to be America,  who would when they live in a almost crime free society 

 

It's not clear Denmark has any more rights to it than anyone else,  the USA had more than half of it at one point,  but signed it away on one treaty or another,  a bit like the canal

Edited January 9 by lobster

[SoundOfSilence]

6 hours ago, lobster said:

The political mood in Russia is stop the war before they kill any more young men, that's the mood in Ukraine as well, it always is once you cut through the political rhetoric 

 

That is what opinion polls are for. To cut through the speculation of you and me.

 

Poll: Majority of Russians Would Oppose Returning Land Even if Putin Decides To Return it as Part of Peace Deal | The Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs

 

 

6 hours ago, lobster said:

 

Putin is an astute judge of character,  if I can tell trump is deranged on tv I'm sure he can having met him.

 

I'll take that as an opinion.

 

6 hours ago, lobster said:

 

Putin will find away to sell it as a victory

 

I think it will be Trump who will be faced with the prospect of selling the secession of Ukrainian land.

 

And he has already started. By classifying the conflict as one that should never have happened. Which is correct.

 

This is entirely the West's fault. And at least a million Ukrainians have died because of it. It has wiped out an entire generation. Maybe two.

 

And I'm sick of seeing psychopaths like Lyndsay Graham banging on about how great it was not to spill American blood. Using another country's citizens as cannon fodder. Pure evil.

 

6 hours ago, lobster said:

 

Denmark will not sell it willingly,

 

Then they won't sell it at all.

 

6 hours ago, lobster said:

 

  its loaded with rare metals and diamonds,  just grabbing it and posting a cheque might work.

 

I'd be surprised if Trump goes down that road.

 

He's a businessman. He's anti-war. He's hardly likely to take a country by force.

 

But this is just speculation on the part of both of us.

 

6 hours ago, lobster said:

The population want to be independent,  but cant be as it isn't a viable country , unlessvthey dig up the rare metals,  I'm not aware they have expressed a wish to be America,  who would when they live in a almost crime free society 

 

That may well be correct.

 

I have seen conflicting reports.

 

6 hours ago, lobster said:

 

It's not clear Denmark has any more rights to it than anyone else,  the USA had more than half of it at one point,  but signed it away on one treaty or another,  a bit like the canal

 

It isn't clear at all.

 

Unless enlarging the graphic of Greenland on your latest coat of arms counts.

[Katsika]

Greenland: Europe is preparing for confrontation with the USA(?)

snippet

 

"A number of European politicians have declared their readiness to oppose US ambitions, in particular regarding Trump’s plans to annex Greenland. At the same time, pro-American media have already found an excuse for this.

 

“The European Union will not allow other countries in the world to attack its sovereign borders, no matter who they are. We are a strong continent.”said French Foreign Minister Jean-Noël Barrot. He stated that the world “enters an era where the fittest survives” and called on countries EU increase defense spending.

 

And the representative of the head of the European Commission, Anitta Hipper, said at a briefing that US claims to Greenland are considered as claims to the entire EU.

“The sovereignty of EU member states must always be respected. This is one of the diplomatic values and a fundamental principle on which we always rely in our work. And this applies to the case of Denmark. Violating borders is contrary to the basic principles of international law,” said German Chancellor Olaf Scholz ."

 

We are a strong continent.”said French Foreign Minister Jean-Noël Barrot. He stated that the world “enters an era where the fittest survives” and called on countries EU increase defense spending.

 

Another deluded mthfker (that Europe is strong).

 

[NeoScota]

7 minutes ago, Katsika said:

Greenland: Europe is preparing for confrontation with the USA(?)

snippet

 

"A number of European politicians have declared their readiness to oppose US ambitions, in particular regarding Trump’s plans to annex Greenland. At the same time, pro-American media have already found an excuse for this.

 

“The European Union will not allow other countries in the world to attack its sovereign borders, no matter who they are. We are a strong continent.”said French Foreign Minister Jean-Noël Barrot. He stated that the world “enters an era where the fittest survives” and called on countries EU increase defense spending.

 

And the representative of the head of the European Commission, Anitta Hipper, said at a briefing that US claims to Greenland are considered as claims to the entire EU.

“The sovereignty of EU member states must always be respected. This is one of the diplomatic values and a fundamental principle on which we always rely in our work. And this applies to the case of Denmark. Violating borders is contrary to the basic principles of international law,” said German Chancellor Olaf Scholz ."

 

We are a strong continent.”said French Foreign Minister Jean-Noël Barrot. He stated that the world “enters an era where the fittest survives” and called on countries EU increase defense spending.

 

Another deluded mthfker (that Europe is strong).

 

Yes deluded because they are in a vulnerable position with massive influx of newcomers who are itching for their nod to go bananas, and being placed so close to the conflict with jUkraine and Russia. Trump knows this too, which is why he's turning up the heat. 

 

But then when looked at in the globalization sense, this all makes perfect sense to bring it all down and 6uild 6back 6etter. But to the sleeple, the underlying plan with go over their heads.

 

 

[SoundOfSilence]

29 minutes ago, Katsika said:

Greenland: Europe is preparing for confrontation with the USA(?)

Another deluded mthfker (that Europe is strong).

 

The moth (I can't work out the second part) is deluded on far more than that.

 

 

29 minutes ago, Katsika said:

in particular regarding Trump’s plans to annex Greenland. At the same time, pro-American media have already found an excuse for this.

 

“The European Union will not allow other countries in the world to attack its sovereign borders, no matter who they are. We are a strong continent.”said French Foreign Minister Jean-Noël Barrot. He stated that the world “enters an era where the fittest survives” and called on countries EU increase defense spending.

 

Sovereign borders. Fight to the death.

 

Gas pipeline vital to European interests. Nah, not so much.

 

29 minutes ago, Katsika said:

 

And the representative of the head of the European Commission, Anitta Hipper, said at a briefing that US claims to Greenland are considered as claims to the entire EU.

 

Next, she'll be claiming Narnia is part of the EU. 

 

Hang on ... not so fast. Isn't Narnia big on Turkish Delight?

 

29 minutes ago, Katsika said:

“The sovereignty of EU member states must always be respected.

 

Unless it's Ukraine cutting off the gas supply.

 

Then the Eu must abandon its principles for different ones ...

 

29 minutes ago, Katsika said:

This is one of the diplomatic values and a fundamental principle on which we always rely in our work. And this applies to the case of Denmark. Violating borders is contrary to the basic principles of international law,” said German Chancellor Olaf Scholz ."

 

But violating agreements, meh!

 

29 minutes ago, Katsika said:

 

We are a strong continent.”said French Foreign Minister Jean-Noël Barrot.

 

Really?

 

What does the Eu have that rest of the world needs?

 

Blue-haired soy boys.

 

29 minutes ago, Katsika said:

He stated that the world “enters an era where the fittest survives” and called on countries EU increase defense spending.

 

 

A clear indication that, at the moment, the EU is not the fittest.

[1velocity7]

8 hours ago, lobster said:

 

Putin is an astute judge of character,  if I can tell trump is deranged on tv I'm sure he can having met him.

 

[Katsika]

3 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

Next, she'll be claiming Narnia is part of the EU. 

Bloody hell, are you saying it isn't?  I've had some tasty seafood cocktails in Narnia (accompanied by my local Narwhal friend) - my world has come crashing down, I'll have to go for a soothing bath

[SoundOfSilence]

29 minutes ago, NeoScota said:

But then when looked at in the globalization sense, this all makes perfect sense to bring it all down and 6uild 6ack 6etter. But to the sleeple, the underlying plan with go over their heads.

 

 

 

Interesting observation.

 

The Fabian Society seems to have adopted that theme.

 

 

I wonder what image it is reshaping the world into?

 

Oh, here's a clue ...

 

 

The flag of the former Soviet Union.

 

Here we see the hammer. Symbolic of reshaping the world.

 

And there is the sickle. Symbolic of the grim reaper, Chronos or Saturn.

 

Phew, that's a relief.

 

For a moment I thought it was all about some ill-advised economic policies.

 

[SoundOfSilence]

3 minutes ago, Katsika said:

Bloody hell, are you saying it isn't?  I've had some tasty seafood cocktails in Narnia (accompanied by my local Narwhal friend) - my world has come crashing down, I'll have to go for a soothing bath

Too funny!

[Katsika]

Trump Pushes North American Union (Longterm NWO Plan)

 

https://thefreedomarticles.com/trump-pushes-north-american-union-longterm-nwo-plan/

[1velocity7]

nwo plan can be interpreted is as many ways as Q drops.

you can pick out parts you believe in and dismiss those you dont and vice versa

 

trump trolling canada is nwo plan

panama canal is full of chyna owned ports

Edited January 9 by 1velocity7

[NeoScota]

1 hour ago, SoundOfSilence said:

 

Interesting observation.

 

The Fabian Society seems to have adopted that theme.

 

 

I wonder what image it is reshaping the world into?

 

Oh, here's a clue ...

 

 

The flag of the former Soviet Union.

 

Here we see the hammer. Symbolic of reshaping the world.

 

And there is the sickle. Symbolic of the grim reaper, Chronos or Saturn.

 

Phew, that's a relief.

 

For a moment I thought it was all about some ill-advised economic policies.

 

Lol....yeah it's all just incompetence and then poof.....the whole world collapsed. 

 

What they have in store is worse than communism

 

What their master has in store even they don't fully know, but think destruction leading to terraforming the planet. 

Same it's not gunna pan out for them

[SoundOfSilence]

In a recent speech, Professor Jeffrey Sachs referred to Netanyahu as a dark son-of-a-bitch who manipulates US foreign policy and starts wars in the Middle East.

 

Trump shared a video of that speech.

 

Donald Trump reposts Jeffrey Sachs antisemitic rant targeting Netanyahu - The Jerusalem Post 

 

As I posted previously (somewhere) Trump does not like Netanyahu.

 

I have also seen an interview where Trump speaks about peace in the Middle East, how he spoke to the Palestine leaders and then to Netanyahu and it is clear to him that it is Netanyahu who doesn't want peace.

 

So, Trump gets it.

 

Reposting that speech sends a clear message to Netanyahu. Trump's Middle East policy isn't going to be as predictable as first thought.

 

The big question is will this prompt Netanyahu to take on Iran before Trump is sworn in?

[Katsika]

https://rumble.com/v65g6zd-donald-trumps-inextricable-ties-to-jewish-power-video-176.html

 

Donald Trump's Inextricable Ties to Jewish Power –

 

"Donald Trump's Jewish connection stretches way back starting at least with his father Fred Trump. Trump lawyers were bullies Jews and political fixers: Michael Cohen and Roy Cohn who was connected to Mafia boss Meyer Lansky (involved in the JFK assassination). Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein long before Epstein was outed as a Mossad agent pedophile and sexual blackmailer. Trump has always chosen Jewish criminals as his friends."

[SoundOfSilence]

2 minutes ago, Katsika said:

https://rumble.com/v65g6zd-donald-trumps-inextricable-ties-to-jewish-power-video-176.html

 

Donald Trump's Inextricable Ties to Jewish Power –

 

"Donald Trump's Jewish connection stretches way back starting at least with his father Fred Trump. Trump lawyers were bullies Jews and political fixers: Michael Cohen and Roy Cohn who was connected to Mafia boss Meyer Lansky (involved in the JFK assassination). Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein long before Epstein was outed as a Mossad agent pedophile and sexual blackmailer. Trump has always chosen Jewish criminals as his friends."

 

I hope you don't mind if I push back a little on the article.

 

Trump obtained a New Jersey casino license. You don't get one of those if you have mob connections.

 

And let's not forget he was scrutinized repeatedly by the Deep State looking for anything to go after him for. All they could come up with was a fabricated Russian dossier and lawfare. Oh, and a fading porn star who ended up getting ripped off by Michael Cohen.

 

Trump's clean.

 

As for Epstein, Trump had him kicked out of Mar-a-Lago for inappropriate conduct. They're not friends.

 

The article seems like the sort of nonsense that Whitney Webb would come up with. Though I have only read your quoted paragraph.

 

 

[Katsika]

1 minute ago, SoundOfSilence said:

 

I hope you don't mind if I push back a little on the article.

No, of course not.

 

https://pikulexpedition.substack.com/p/trump-timeline-of-an-israeli-asset

 

Personally it don't see him as "clean" exactly!

 

I think the quoted bit I included was written by Makia Freeman.  I don't know who Whitney Webb is

[NeoScota]

17 minutes ago, Katsika said:

No, of course not.

 

https://pikulexpedition.substack.com/p/trump-timeline-of-an-israeli-asset

 

Personally it don't see him as "clean" exactly!

 

I think the quoted bit I included was written by Makia Freeman.  I don't know who Whitney Webb is

Trump may have converted to Judaism in 2017, but he's def not kosher. 

 

"There will be hell to pay in the middle east if hamas doesn't release those hostages by the time I take office"

 

What hostages? They've all been bombed and murdered by their own IDF so this is confirmation he plans on going bananas. 

[SoundOfSilence]

5 minutes ago, Katsika said:

No, of course not.

 

https://pikulexpedition.substack.com/p/trump-timeline-of-an-israeli-asset

 

Personally it don't see him as "clean" exactly!

 

I think the quoted bit I included was written by Makia Freeman.  I don't know who Whitney Webb is

 

I didn't read the entire article, but I went through the bullet points.

 

Killing the Iran deal was a bad idea. Not that it was a great deal, but it was better than nothing. As Trump acknowledges, he was surrounded by snakes and was poorly advised. He just didn't understand the Deep State in his first term.

 

The same with Soleimani. Another appalling decision. Again. Bad advice. Actually, that is one of the reasons Trump doesn't like Netanyahu. He feels he was lied to and hung out to dry.

 

I can't get excited about the embassy. There weren't the mass protests etc. that were predicted. At the time it was announced, I can recall debating this issue with a good friend. Let's just say he had good connections in the Middle East. He was talking Armageddon, I said wait and see.

 

I am better informed on some issues in that list than others. Therefore, I'll leave it to just these issues.

 

But my point is that these blunders don't necessarily mean that Trump is beholden to Israel.

 

The other explanation is that he chose to surround himself with bad advisers who were beholden to Israel. You will recall that the Deep State was very keen to isolate him from General Flynn.

 

I am hearing encouraging things behind the scenes. No, I don't have any inside information. These are public sources anyone can find.

 

So, I am reserving judgment for a few weeks.

 

Whitney Webb has written about the Deep State and uncovering connections. In some case she is quite accurate. In others she relies on very tenuous connections of two people once in the same room or shoring a jet to New York.

 

In my view, you need to look at actions and rhetoric, not just so and so went to this school with ...

 

 

[SoundOfSilence]

2 minutes ago, NeoScota said:

What hostages? They've all been bombed and murdered by their own IDF so this is confirmation he plans on going bananas. 

 

I suspect he's referring to the Americans held or at least captured.

[NeoScota]

Just now, SoundOfSilence said:

 

I suspect he's referring to the Americans held or at least captured.

Sorry I sometimes write a sentence incomplete/skewhiff due to brain issues lol... but point still remains, there are no hostages alive.

 

Those of any allied nation who were released were shot at by IDF. Even their own. 

 

Those on the inside job 10/7 were gunned down by IDF and hamas is a funded organisation of Is-nae-real.

 

No hostages left

[Katsika]

2 minutes ago, SoundOfSilence said:

 

I didn't read the entire article, but I went through the bullet points.

 

Killing the Iran deal was a bad idea. Not that it was a great deal, but it was better than nothing. As Trump acknowledges, he was surrounded by snakes and was poorly advised. He just didn't understand the Deep State in his first term.

 

The same with Soleimani. Another appalling decision. Again. Bad advice. Actually, that is one of the reasons Trump doesn't like Netanyahu. He feels he was lied to and hung out to dry.

 

I can't get excited about the embassy. There weren't the mass protests etc. that were predicted. At the time it was announced, I can recall debating this issue with a good friend. Let's just say he had good connections in the Middle East. He was talking Armageddon, I said wait and see.

 

I am better informed on some issues in that list than others. Therefore, I'll leave it to just these issues.

 

But my point is that these blunders don't necessarily mean that Trump is beholden to Israel.

 

The other explanation is that he chose to surround himself with bad advisers who were beholden to Israel. You will recall that the Deep State was very keen to isolate him from General Flynn.

 

I am hearing encouraging things behind the scenes. No, I don't have any inside information. These are public sources anyone can find.

 

So, I am reserving judgment for a few weeks.

 

Whitney Webb has written about the Deep State and uncovering connections. In some case she is quite accurate. In others she relies on very tenuous connections of two people once in the same room or shoring a jet to New York.

 

In my view, you need to look at actions and rhetoric, not just so and so went to this school with ...

 

 

Thank you for all that extra.  I think in 2017 (when Jerusalem replaced Tel Aviv) I was too busy planting trees (in prep for the current sad state of affairs re food) so I barely recall much detail - I know the name Gen Flynn (so later on I will have to look him up)