Thread to post clues and things in world that may prove earth is hell and everyone is living hell

[78ast78dgyad]

The light bringer

 

 

https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1ecgctx/does_this_look_like_a_woman_to_you_i_think_its/

 

 

Edited August 12, 2024 by 78ast78dgyad

[Lilymoon]

2 hours ago, Campion said:

  

No there isn't, they housed them all quickly enough during covid. And yet here we are again with homeless on the streets, why didn't they let those folks stay in their new homes?  

 

That's very generous of you both, 5, 10 or 20 dollars each.  

 

In the US and Canada they where put in hotels and motels has a temporarily place.

 

It very hard to fix the homeless problem when condos that cost a million dollars in the Toronto and Vancouver area. And in the suburbs a small house like this that cost a million dollars

 

 

 

It much easier in the southern, midwest or rust belt cities in the US when house like that cost $200,000 but million in the suburbs in Toronto and Vancouver.

 

Even in the west coast of the US a house like that probably cost $900,000 and over a million in the big cities.

 

All this would not be happing if the immigrants was put in check with the building permits to build houses. Has of now the demand is much higher than the supply.

[Campion]

Here in the UK the govt finds the money to put up illegal migrants in hotels until they get somewhere else to live, currently hundreds arriving daily, so why not also for our own legal homeless citizens?  

 

I agree that housing is in a long-term crisis, even more so in a small country like ours which is far more densely populated and many new housing estates now are reducing our farmland so we become less able to feed ourselves.  There's something very wrong with the ptb economic model which insists on mass immigration (76 years now), can't provide enough homes, still complains of skill shortages, makes it difficult for us to have families. The whole thing is unsustainable and not designed to last. 

[Lilymoon]

13 minutes ago, Campion said:

Here in the UK the govt finds the money to put up illegal migrants in hotels until they get somewhere else to live, currently hundreds arriving daily, so why not also for our own legal homeless citizens?  

 

I agree that housing is in a long-term crisis, even more so in a small country like ours which is far more densely populated and many new housing estates now are reducing our farmland so we become less able to feed ourselves.  There's something very wrong with the ptb economic model which insists on mass immigration (76 years now), can't provide enough homes, still complains of skill shortages, makes it difficult for us to have families. The whole thing is unsustainable and not designed to last. 

 

Are they putting immigrants in hotels that came with money or refugees that have no money. What is common trend here is putting them in hotels than later on rent out basement of these small homes and charge them rent every month so it looks like they are getting job some where.

 

 

And the cities than are full of millions of millions of these basement apartments along with massive high rise condos.

 

This is what the government is turning these cities into.

 

And this what the government is turning the cities into.

 

They hate the suburbs the government.

 

 

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Edited August 13, 2024 by Lilymoon

[Lilymoon]

Other problem we have is mental health crisis people with depression, bipolar and schizophrenia walking the streets and hospitals that are over crowded with 8 to 10 hour ER wait times.

 

It is mess here that is how bad it is.

Edited August 13, 2024 by Lilymoon

[Mr H]

On 8/9/2024 at 1:39 PM, Jason57 said:

Can't be true. Look how many people are prospering and loving being "in hell". Surely hell is not a place or state of consciousness that anyone would like to be in.

 

Do you really think rich successful people, or those raising children want out of here? 

 

While I subscribe to the belief that this world is ruled by evil and not a place I enjoy being in, I doubt it's hell.

Can't guarantee is true.

 

But I was told by Mexican shamen who does work with the elites, that the Mexican royals and big business folks have studied the art of nahualism and therefore have the ability and in fact do so; to keep reincarnating into the same families. 

 

Having a jolly good time here

[Mr H]

On 8/9/2024 at 9:07 PM, Lilymoon said:

 

Other thing if God came down from the sky the first order would be well ban money and wealth as that seems to corrupt people. But if this is garbage dump world for sinners that would make sense. Has God cut these people off.

I think you are painting a picture of god as if he is human like.

 

It's highly unlikely if there is an Uber god, that he is anything like a human. Humans can barely tie their shoelaces together at times, yet an Uber god created all biology, chemistry, physics, all the planets, the sun, I mean someone like that isn't going to be thinking like a human and what happened on coronation street last night.

 

Why are you imposing your limitations and logic upon your Uber god? You're describing an intelligent thinking human not Uber god. You will need to start thinking like Uber god if you want to play Uber god 

[Mr H]

On 8/9/2024 at 8:45 PM, Lilymoon said:

 

That what I mean this would seem void of God to allow millions of people to die not to say the people in major starvation under China communist and North Korea communist.

 

Most 95% of people seem to be full of major sin and evil here and that why this world is so mess up, almost like God expel these people to almost hell like world or may be better world than hell is garbage like world where sinners and evil people go and God cuts them off.  May be only way out of it is to a better world is good Karma, but may be God does not want people to know this as people would change to just get off this world and may be some people can never get off this world and they here for many lives.

 

In buddhism and hinduism they speak of even worse worlds for people that don’t straighten them selfs out here.

No one is full of sin.

 

One of the biggest and evil lies spoken from the bible.

 

Go to a hospital and watch a child birth, look in their eyes and tell me they are sinful creatures...

 

If you believe everyone a sinner then you probably enjoy the "depopulation agenda" right?

Edited August 13, 2024 by Mr H

[Mr H]

5 hours ago, Lilymoon said:

 

In the US and Canada they where put in hotels and motels has a temporarily place.

 

It very hard to fix the homeless problem when condos that cost a million dollars in the Toronto and Vancouver area. And in the suburbs a small house like this that cost a million dollars

 

 

 

It much easier in the southern, midwest or rust belt cities in the US when house like that cost $200,000 but million in the suburbs in Toronto and Vancouver.

 

Even in the west coast of the US a house like that probably cost $900,000 and over a million in the big cities.

 

All this would not be happing if the immigrants was put in check with the building permits to build houses. Has of now the demand is much higher than the supply.

I think it would be happening regardless of immigrants. Not really anything to do with them.

 

The main reasons for exorbitant house prices are.

 

Foreign investors

Jeets needing more than one house

And most importantly, the dilution of the dollar by the central banks - if the dollar goes down in value, conversely stuff like houses denominated in dollars go.up in price.

[Lilymoon]

30 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I think you are painting a picture of god as if he is human like.

 

It's highly unlikely if there is an Uber god, that he is anything like a human. Humans can barely tie their shoelaces together at times, yet an Uber god created all biology, chemistry, physics, all the planets, the sun, I mean someone like that isn't going to be thinking like a human and what happened on coronation street last night.

 

Why are you imposing your limitations and logic upon your Uber god? You're describing an intelligent thinking human not Uber god. You will need to start thinking like Uber god if you want to play Uber god 

I'm talking about God in Cristian bible sense. But if you do away with any main stream religion than just God it hard to tell what God would say about money and wealth. But the Cristian bible hates money and wealth.

 

But if you look at the eastern religion money and wealth seems to be more tied into Karma. So if you have billion dollars and have bad Karma your next life you going to be homeless or very poor. But if you have billion dollars and volunteer, give lot of you money to charity, pick up the trash from cities streets, feed the homeless and give money to the homeless and don’t rob or steal than may be your next life be bit easier.

 

[Lilymoon]

39 minutes ago, Mr H said:

No one is full of sin.

 

One of the biggest and evil lies spoken from the bible.

 

Go to a hospital and watch a child birth, look in their eyes and tell me they are sinful creatures...

 

If you believe everyone a sinner then you probably enjoy the "depopulation agenda" right?

I was talking about sin in the Cristian bible sense.
 

But it is worse as kids are worse sinners than Adults. I seen how nasty kids are growing up fighting, teasing, bullying and stealing.

 

[Lilymoon]

28 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I think it would be happening regardless of immigrants. Not really anything to do with them.

 

The main reasons for exorbitant house prices are.

 

Foreign investors

Jeets needing more than one house

And most importantly, the dilution of the dollar by the central banks - if the dollar goes down in value, conversely stuff like houses denominated in dollars go.up in price.

The problem is Toronto and Vancouver can’t sprawl out any more because of the green belts and 500,000 people are moving to Canada every year.

[Mr H]

1 hour ago, Lilymoon said:

I was talking about sin in the Cristian bible sense.
 

But it is worse as kids are worse sinners than Adults. I seen how nasty kids are growing up fighting, teasing, bullying and stealing.

 

 

Yes I understand. 

 

This christian notion of sin is totally made up and is used as a control mechanism to get you to join a club. For what other options do you have? You have to join their club to be " saved" or you have to start killing baby sinners...

[Mr H]

1 hour ago, Lilymoon said:

The problem is Toronto and Vancouver can’t sprawl out any more because of the green belts and 500,000 people are moving to Canada every year.

Canada is a big place.........

 

How many of these migrants are home owners?

[Jason57]

2 hours ago, Lilymoon said:

I'm talking about God in Cristian bible sense. But if you do away with any main stream religion than just God it hard to tell what God would say about money and wealth. But the Cristian bible hates money and wealth.

 

But if you look at the eastern religion money and wealth seems to be more tied into Karma. So if you have billion dollars and have bad Karma your next life you going to be homeless or very poor. But if you have billion dollars and volunteer, give lot of you money to charity, pick up the trash from cities streets, feed the homeless and give money to the homeless and don’t rob or steal than may be your next life be bit easier.

 

The Christain bible has several versions and has been edited throughout the centuries. While I do love reading about Jesus and trying to understand his parables, it should be noted that Jesus wasn't a fan of religion or the religious folks of his time.

 

Jesus also never hated money. He made the point that money and materialism was meaningless and a distraction. Those that love money will never open up to their true spiritual selves.

[Lilymoon]

On 8/13/2024 at 1:03 AM, Mr H said:

Can't guarantee is true.

 

But I was told by Mexican shamen who does work with the elites, that the Mexican royals and big business folks have studied the art of nahualism and therefore have the ability and in fact do so; to keep reincarnating into the same families. 

 

Having a jolly good time here

Some times I think earth may be more a garbage dump than hell place and sinners where expelled from heaven or the more heaven worlds and that why the world is so cold and evil here it would also explain why God cut these people off and will not communicate with them. Well may be person that does good deeds may be able to break the cycle and get out of here to more heaven worlds.

[Mr H]

11 hours ago, Lilymoon said:

. Well may be person that does good deeds may be able to break the cycle and get out of here to more heaven worlds.

I came out the post office this week. There was an old asian lady, could hardly walk clinging onto the walls. Everyone just walked past her ignoring her.

 

I decided to help and walk with her to her destination which took 2 hours.....

 

She said in the way. Not always best to.do good things for people.

 

And she is right. All the people that ignored her benefitted from not wasting 2 hours of their lives, whilst I had to lose 2 hours of my life with absolutely no benefit to myself.

 

If you extend this small example out. Good is very rarely if ever rewarded here. Yet evil, bad is more often than not rewarded.

 

It's a strange place for sure.....

[Mr H]

2 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I came out the post office this week. There was an old asian lady, could hardly walk clinging onto the walls. Everyone just walked past her ignoring her.

 

I decided to help and walk with her to her destination which took 2 hours.....

 

She said in the way. Not always best to.do good things for people.

 

And she is right. All the people that ignored her benefitted from not wasting 2 hours of their lives, whilst I had to lose 2 hours of my life with absolutely no benefit to myself.

 

If you extend this small example out. Good is very rarely if ever rewarded here. Yet evil, bad is more often than not rewarded.

 

It's a strange place for sure.....

I would even go so far to say..

 

The more dishonest, fake , manipulative you are here the more rewards you get.

 

The more honest, nice you are, the more you get punished.

 

Inversion world....

[Campion]

3 hours ago, Mr H said:

I came out the post office this week. There was an old asian lady, could hardly walk clinging onto the walls. Everyone just walked past her ignoring her.

 

I decided to help and walk with her to her destination which took 2 hours.....

 

She said in the way. Not always best to.do good things for people.

 

And she is right. All the people that ignored her benefitted from not wasting 2 hours of their lives, whilst I had to lose 2 hours of my life with absolutely no benefit to myself.

 

If you extend this small example out. Good is very rarely if ever rewarded here. Yet evil, bad is more often than not rewarded.

 

It's a strange place for sure.....

  

You didn't benefit if you believe yourself to be a separate individual and 'benefit' is an individual quantity. But if 'you' are also the community, the natural world etc then 'you' are already benefiting because benefit is also collective not only individual. Like karma is collective too I believe, not just individual.  Imagine if your liver or your stomach also thought they were separate individuals not part of the human body collective. 

 

The problem is, most of us have already been brainwashed by the cult system to think individualism is all that matters, and the state should pick up the work of the collective. But on a deeper level most of us instinctively know we don't like living in an atomised society and yearn for the type of high trust community which our grandparents talked about. 

[Mr H]

1 minute ago, Campion said:

  

You didn't benefit if you believe yourself to be a separate individual and 'benefit' is an individual quantity. But if 'you' are also the community, the natural world etc then 'you' are already benefiting because benefit is also collective not only individual. Like karma is collective too I believe, not just individual.  Imagine if your liver or your stomach also thought they were separate individuals not part of the human body collective. 

 

The problem is, most of us have already been brainwashed by the cult system to think individualism is all that matters, and the state should pick up the work of the collective. But on a deeper level most of us instinctively know we don't like living in an atomised society and yearn for the type of high trust community which our grandparents talked about. 

Yes the collective benefits from good actions, but rarely an individual.

 

The reverse is often true. Selfish, manipulate action usually reap massive rewards individually but harms collectively.

[Lilymoon]

11 hours ago, Mr H said:

Yes the collective benefits from good actions, but rarely an individual.

 

The reverse is often true. Selfish, manipulate action usually reap massive rewards individually but harms collectively.

 

You're not doing the Apocryphon any favors here. For example according to it pleasure is what's trapping us here, not how shit things are. At least some gnostics were antinatalists in addition to being ascetics, IE no more sex, especially not to make babies. There also wasn't any "us" before our creation by Ialdaboath to be thrown out of heaven and imprisoned here. We are imbued with divine essence but it comes through the evil creator.

 

It's fine if you have reincarnation as part of your cosmic worldview but that's not in the text. There could be a hell, I think some other Gnostic writings have something like it as the domain of one of the Archons. It's really unclear what a gnostic afterlife might have been so filling in reincarnation is possible but there are Buddhist hells too.

Edited September 1, 2024 by Lilymoon

[Mr H]

8 hours ago, Lilymoon said:

 

You're not doing the Apocryphon any favors here. For example according to it pleasure is what's trapping us here, not how shit things are. At least some gnostics were antinatalists in addition to being ascetics, IE no more sex, especially not to make babies. There also wasn't any "us" before our creation by Ialdaboath to be thrown out of heaven and imprisoned here. We are imbued with divine essence but it comes through the evil creator.

 

It's fine if you have reincarnation as part of your cosmic worldview but that's not in the text. There could be a hell, I think some other Gnostic writings have something like it as the domain of one of the Archons. It's really unclear what a gnostic afterlife might have been so filling in reincarnation is possible but there are Buddhist hells too.

The Gnostic were certainly a fascinating bunch with many interesting ideas and beliefs.

 

Have you read the Apocryphon in its entirety? If so, what did you make of it?

[BornFreeNowAgain]

20 hours ago, Campion said:

  

You didn't benefit if you believe yourself to be a separate individual and 'benefit' is an individual quantity. But if 'you' are also the community, the natural world etc then 'you' are already benefiting because benefit is also collective not only individual. Like karma is collective too I believe, not just individual.  Imagine if your liver or your stomach also thought they were separate individuals not part of the human body collective. 

 

The problem is, most of us have already been brainwashed by the cult system to think individualism is all that matters, and the state should pick up the work of the collective. But on a deeper level most of us instinctively know we don't like living in an atomised society and yearn for the type of high trust community which our grandparents talked about. 

Really great post! In many ways I have always lived by this kind of philosophy, following the natural world, for many years not from conscious intent, but simply through instinct. Of course I am not perfect and have done some bad stuff too, but mostly I have lived as a 'moralist' following an intuitive knowing (like David Icke says of do what is right, but what is right for me). My work caused me to also have to regularly 'go into battle' for my clients against a lot of pushback and colleagues wondering what the hell I was doing but it was because I felt we had a moral duty to help to create a better world for our clients and to fight tooth and nail for that better world, or risk being a total hypocrite in not doing so. 

 

I think karma is not always instant, so it can appear as if the 'good people' don't get what they deserve and the 'bad people' also don't get what they deserve (or more than they deserve perhaps). But we might just be 'taking the score too early' when we look at it like this. The thing with karma is that it is not JUST our actions that create karma, it is also our beliefs about ourselves and the 'world' (and others) that also creates karma and this is where many people fail imho. They only look at actions, thinking by acting good it is enough, but karma gives you what you BELIEVE you deserve also. Not only that, but karma also comes from the choices/decisions you make. It is complex because at times we might need to think of ourselves, and then at other times think of others. As a 'people pleaser' for many years I was often putting others needs before my own, which creates karma of its own kind. Of course I was liked more when I did this, but I was sabotaging my own life and needs so 'karma' gave me back what it thought I wanted.