Southport - Seven young girls (children) stabbed by teenager - subsequent protests and riots across UK

[numnuts]

This BBC News story is from last month. In light of other concerns that have been aired on this thread, how stupid would it be for Joe Public to allow these 'characters' to gain even more powers? National security my arse. Madness.  

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1e0dpv1yxno

 

'MI5 false evidence was a serious failing, Cooper says.'

 

The home secretary has said MI5 giving false evidence to multiple courts was a "serious failing", as she accepted a further investigation should take place. Yvette Cooper, who is responsible for the Security Service, made a written statement to Parliament a day after the High Court ruled MI5's explanations for its false evidence were deficient and unreliable. She said the government accepted the High Court's conclusion that a "further, robust and independent investigation" should take place.

 

A panel of three senior judges, including the Lady Chief Justice Baroness Sue Carr, on Wednesday rejected two official inquiries into the false evidence. One inquiry was commissioned by Cooper and the other was carried out internally by MI5. The two reviews took place after the BBC revealed MI5 had lied to three courts in a case concerning a neo-Nazi state agent who abused women. The flawed reviews cleared MI5 of deliberate wrongdoing.

[cemeterycrow]

On 8/15/2025 at 8:06 PM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

As I have previously said on the forum, I have reservations about BlackBeltBarrister / Daniel Shen-Smith. However, he is reliable when it comes to explaining the proper legal position and has done so in the video below.

 

Whilst I wouldn't necessarily disagree that two-tier justice is evident when comparing Ricky Jones and Lucy Connolly, the crimes they were charged with were different.

• Ricky Jones was charged under section 44 of the Serious Crime Act 2007 for "intentionally encouraging or assisting an offence" of violent disorder.
• Lucy Connolly was convicted, after pleading guilty, under section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986 for publishing written material likely to stir up racial hatred.

Jones's charge required an intention for violent disorder to take place - in his defence, he said this wasn't his intention which was accepted hence his acquittal. In comparison, Connolly could be found guilty whether or not she had an intention to stir up racial hatred which is probably why, if we are to accept the case at face value, she pleaded guilty in the hope of receiving less harsh sentencing.

 

Essentially, it was the racial element involved in the (supposed) crime committed which made it harder for Connolly to defend her actions. As you say it could be considered that, because she is white and therefore more likely "racist" in the eyes of the law, she received a less sympathetic hearing and outcome. Perhaps it is not so much the treatment of the individual cases which is two-tier but the law itself which leans towards harsher treatment whenever racism is allegedly involved.

 

Another way in which Connolly was treated more harshly than Jones was by having bail denied. Bail is usually granted as the default position and seemingly none of the reasons for denying it were obvious in Connolly's case.

 

This may seem perverse to some, but I think it was the right decision to let Jones go free today. Just because Connolly's conviction and sentencing is unfair, I wouldn't support what I feel would be another unfair verdict (even if the event itself was staged) - we can all say ill-advised things and I would rather err on the side of letting people do that rather than locking them away. Rather than pushing for harsher sentencing for Jones, I think the emphasis should be on lighter treatment for people such as Connolly. Otherwise I think we are walking into a trap created by those who want to censor and monitor us.

 

I suspect the Lucy Connolly case to be a psy-op intended to inflame racial tensions in the UK. She is a wife of a councillor and I think I recall reading that her social media presence only started to ramp up out of nowhere a few months before last year's riots. Add Ricky Jones into the mix as another strand to the psy-op and cue the fall-out.

 

 

Sorry for the late reply I must have missed this while I was away.

 

I posted a while ago on the dangers of using the Lucy Connolly case as a benchmark as it could be seen as demanding people get similar treatment just because we don't agree with them or just don't like them.

 

Also Jones obviously got good legal advice and time to present a case whereas Connolly and a lot of the other Southport disorder related cases were persuaded to plead guilty on the false notion they would be treated leniently.

 

Like a lot of these cases these days it does stink of a psy-op but if we take it at face value for a moment although I agree with you about Connolly, Jones called for the murder of people he doesn't like in front of a baying crowd in the middle of the tense Southport riots situation and I think he should have been punished for that.

 

I haven't watched the video yet but as you've pointed out they were charged with different offences so I'll watch it when I get a moment.

[Mitochondrial Eve]

22 minutes ago, cemeterycrow said:

Sorry for the late reply I must have missed this while I was away.

 

I posted a while ago on the dangers of using the Lucy Connolly case as a benchmark as it could be seen as demanding people get similar treatment just because we don't agree with them or just don't like them.

 

Also Jones obviously got good legal advice and time to present a case whereas Connolly and a lot of the other Southport disorder related cases were persuaded to plead guilty on the false notion they would be treated leniently.

 

Like a lot of these cases these days it does stink of a psy-op but if we take it at face value for a moment although I agree with you about Connolly, Jones called for the murder of people he doesn't like in front of a baying crowd in the middle of the tense Southport riots situation and I think he should have been punished for that.

 

I haven't watched the video yet but as you've pointed out they were charged with different offences so I'll watch it when I get a moment.

 

No worries at all.

 

I believe both prosecutions are psy-ops especially as both Ricky Jones and Lucy Connolly's husband appeared in the mainstream media from their hospital beds during Covid. They have form for being involved in dubious narratives being spun on the largely unsuspecting public.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-57100375

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dartford/news/i-cant-breathe-and-in-constant-pain-please-take-covid-seriously-240461/

 

But just supposing the events in both cases were organic and should be taken at face value, we are agreed over Connolly. With Jones, in my opinion his words seemed to be more bravado than holding any true violent intent and/or likelihood of real harm taking place. Watching what he said, I cannot see that the crowd in question took his words literally and nor did they seem poised to burst into violence with a murderous rampage of throat slitting ensuing. Perhaps if he had said what he said in front of a baying mob armed with knives or machetes with their target in sight, I might feel differently. But the people around him didn't look dangerous especially considering many were wearing masks and apparently still worried about an invisible so-called flu-like virus in the middle of summer several years after the height of the "pandemic".

 

 

I guess that, personally, I see a bigger danger in any agenda to censor us over bravado and heated language and therefore err on the side of allowing for free expression.

 

Also, I feel that more culpability rests with those who actually commit violence rather than with those who supposedly incite / encourage it through mere words. Ultimately, we all have the choice over who we listen to and take seriously - we hold responsibility for our own actions and shouldn't necessarily be allowed to fall back on excuses such as "so and so told me to do it", "I was just following orders" or "I saw a Tweet online that said...".

[cemeterycrow]

38 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

I believe both prosecutions are psy-ops especially as both Ricky Jones and Lucy Connolly's husband appeared in the mainstream media from their hospital beds during Covid. They have form for being involved in dubious narratives being spun on the largely unsuspecting public.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-57100375

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dartford/news/i-cant-breathe-and-in-constant-pain-please-take-covid-seriously-240461/

 

 

Ha! that's crazy 

A bit off topic but all these weird little things really expose the pantomime. For some reason it reminds me of when the current leader of UKIP Nick Tenconi admits he was a child actor on an interview with Liam Tuffs. The only time I've ever heard him admit it anywhere.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUPMLjwU8uk

(2.20)

 

Anyhow, Jones claims he was talking about national front members who were putting razor blades behind flyers to cut people who took them down.

 

50 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

I guess that, personally, I see a bigger danger in any agenda to censor us over bravado and heated language and therefore err on the side of allowing for free expression.

 

Also, I feel that more culpability rests with those who actually commit violence rather than with those who supposedly incite / encourage it through mere words. Ultimately, we all have the choice over who we listen to and take seriously - we hold responsibility for our own actions and shouldn't necessarily be allowed to fall back on excuses such as "so and so told me to do it", "I was just following orders" or "I saw a Tweet online that said...".

 

I dunno, it's a bit more than heated language but I understand what you're getting at.

 

Rage-bait psy-op it is then.

[Grumpy Owl]

34 minutes ago, cemeterycrow said:

Rage-bait psy-op it is then.

 

Exactly, same with all the fuss about the 'St George Flags' narrative lately, where flags are being illegally attached to street furniture such as lamp posts, or painted on mini-roundabouts and zebra crossings, which local councils are then having to remove. 

 

And then the brain-dead knuckle-dragging morons start claiming things like "our own flag is banned in our own country", which then stirs people into becoming agitated and angry. But for all the wrong reasons.

 

It's a massive distraction! And it distracts from the real reason(s) why people were getting agitated in the first place. 

[Observations]

BBC Breakfast News

22/09/25

Alice …

 

… ”Her parents have spent the last year finding ways to keep her memory alive, and help others in her name.”
 

“Sergiou ran the London Marathon in April to raise money to rebuild Alice’s primary school playground. Now he’s raising money for Alice’s Wonder dance foundation, helping to support children who love to dance.”
 

“… ( he will be ) Finishing his global challenge back in London next year.”
 

“Well done Segiou. Remember when he told us he was going to do it? A few months ago? He’d never really been a runner, he’d never run a marathon before. And now to do one, then another five!”

 

“And the incredible story about his race number which is 141009. The 14th of the tenth is her birthday, and she was 9. That random number given to him for the marathon. Obviously it would have helped him, that she was with him. Well done to him.”

[Anti Facts Sir]

13 minutes ago, Observations said:

BBC Breakfast News

22/09/25

Alice …

 

… ”Her parents have spent the last year finding ways to keep her memory alive, and help others in her name.”
 

“Sergiou ran the London Marathon in April to raise money to rebuild Alice’s primary school playground. Now he’s raising money for Alice’s Wonder dance foundation, helping to support children who love to dance.”
 

“… ( he will be ) Finishing his global challenge back in London next year.”
 

“Well done Segiou. Remember when he told us he was going to do it? A few months ago? He’d never really been a runner, he’d never run a marathon before. And now to do one, then another five!”

 

“And the incredible story about his race number which is 141009. The 14th of the tenth is her birthday, and she was 9. That random number given to him for the marathon. Obviously it would have helped him, that she was with him. Well done to him.”

Curioser and curioser.

 

These individuals are not like us ordinary members of the public.

[Tinfoil Hat]

17 hours ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

Curioser and curioser.

 

These individuals are not like us ordinary members of the public.

No, that's an astute and pertinent observation.

[J47]

On 8/26/2025 at 8:57 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Exactly, same with all the fuss about the 'St George Flags' narrative lately, where flags are being illegally attached to street furniture such as lamp posts, or painted on mini-roundabouts and zebra crossings, which local councils are then having to remove. 

 

And then the brain-dead knuckle-dragging morons start claiming things like "our own flag is banned in our own country", which then stirs people into becoming agitated and angry. But for all the wrong reasons.

 

It's a massive distraction! And it distracts from the real reason(s) why people were getting agitated in the first place. 

 

please enlighten us, about the nature of the distraction. you think all who make these claims about the flag are knuckle dragging morons. ?

 

how did you determine this exactly

 

Does the same apply for palestine flags left up in certain boroughs 

 

Perhaps that is part of the link your missing here

[cosmicinaudio]

On 8/26/2025 at 8:57 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Exactly, same with all the fuss about the 'St George Flags' narrative lately, where flags are being illegally attached to street furniture such as lamp posts, or painted on mini-roundabouts and zebra crossings, which local councils are then having to remove. 

 

And then the brain-dead knuckle-dragging morons start claiming things like "our own flag is banned in our own country", which then stirs people into becoming agitated and angry. But for all the wrong reasons.

 

It's a massive distraction! And it distracts from the real reason(s) why people were getting agitated in the first place. 

 

I bet you wouldn't call people flying any other national flag a "knucke dragger", and people have been attacked, verbally and physically, for flying the English flag from their own properties, by both the government and individuals. Also, it's quite common around the world to see national flags flying from "street furniture", only in England do bed wetters like you consider that "offensive and wacist".

 

Funny how a so called "conspiracy theorist", and a mod on a conspiracy forum no less, suddenly becomes a big defender of the state's laws surrounding "street furniture" when it involves flying English flags.

[Observations]

 

Kate Middleton and Prince William Wear Matching Bracelets Gifted to Them During Emotional Visit

 

“The Prince and Princess of Wales visited the town where three young girls lost their lives last summer.

Kate and William toured the girls' schools and met privately with each of their families. It was Bebe's mom, Lauren King, who gifted the couple with a special keepsake in her daughter's memory: matching friendship bracelets that spelled out "Bebe's Hive," a grief support charity for children founded in the young girl's name.”

 

https://people.com/kate-middleton-prince-william-wear-matching-bracelets-gifted-southport-visit-bebe-11815772

 

Edited September 24 by Observations
typo

[Grumpy Owl]

8 hours ago, J47 said:

 

please enlighten us, about the nature of the distraction. you think all who make these claims about the flag are knuckle dragging morons. ?

 

how did you determine this exactly

 

Does the same apply for palestine flags left up in certain boroughs 

 

Perhaps that is part of the link your missing here

 

8 hours ago, cosmicinaudio said:

 

I bet you wouldn't call people flying any other national flag a "knucke dragger", and people have been attacked, verbally and physically, for flying the English flag from their own properties, by both the government and individuals. Also, it's quite common around the world to see national flags flying from "street furniture", only in England do bed wetters like you consider that "offensive and wacist".

 

Funny how a so called "conspiracy theorist", and a mod on a conspiracy forum no less, suddenly becomes a big defender of the state's laws surrounding "street furniture" when it involves flying English flags.

 

I think you're both misinterpreting what I posted, or are deliberately trying to misrepresent what I said by taking it out of context. 

 

I have previously stated that I'm fine with English folk displaying English flags, just in the same way I have no problem seeing Welsh flags when I am in Wales, or Spanish flags in Spain, so calling me a 'bed wetter' is unjustified. 

 

I'm just trying to point out another example of how people are being manipulated psychologically - that is the 'big conspiracy' which many people are failing to realise. 

 

8 hours ago, cosmicinaudio said:

Funny how a so called "conspiracy theorist", and a mod on a conspiracy forum no less

 

Equally funny is how you think I am a moderator here, yet I haven't been for several years, while you only joined this forum earlier this year?

[J47]

but you cant always fall on that to just say, yes its a big puppet show and all are the useful pawns, their is a clear and present threat presented by such pawns, Lebanon and Iran come to mind