The Mainsteam Alternative Media (MAM)

[Mitochondrial Eve]

DI has been talking a lot of late of what he has dubbed the "Mainstream Alternative Media" with most of his concern directed towards the lionisation of Elon Musk within alternative circles and the promotion of the likes of Brett Weinstein who supported the Covid narrative. DI compares such people to "Johnny-come-lately" who have been suddenly catapulted to truther stardom and describes their role as "here and no further" gatekeepers whereas more veteran researchers have been marginalised.

 

Here is one such recent DI video about the MAM which won't embed as it is on Bitchute.

 

And DI's appearance on Alex Jones's show debating AI and Elon Musk also made for very interesting viewing especially as Jones is offended by DI speaking out on this matter. (I think it was pretty low of Jones to suggest that DI may not be himself due to the death of his daughter which is a form of gaslighting in my view). The guest at the end, who clearly seemed to be Elon Musk but whose identity kept changing, injected another level of weirdness to the episode.

 

The MAM is an important discussion I think with Mark Windows and David Kurten also addressing it - and just to be clear, by posting this video, I am not necessarily endorsing any particular political party or channel nor the entirety of an individual's philosophy.

 

By no means is what is now being called the MAM a recent concern of Mark Windows who has spoken out against infiltration of alternative circles for years and was one of the first to identify the controlled elements of the Covid protest movement and the replay of the strategies used to destroy the Occupy movement. That is not to say that all who attended or spoke at the protests were controlled, just that there were controlled elements unbeknownst to most. He also explains how the "energy harvesting" "self promoting" newcomers bring an "unhealthy injection of distraction" and divert the unwary into topics of no importance. The new wave of "truthers", he says, don't want people with experience, more honed discernment and pattern recognition showing them up.

 

 

Whilst I have started a separate thread specifically about Sean Adl-Tabatabai and The People's Voice, I feel this topic deserves a thread in its own right as a more general discussion of controlled elements within the alternative media. I was unable to find an existing thread but I am happy for the moderators to correct that if I have overlooked something.

[Certified Green of Heart]

Suprendo!!  Great idea on a move for a forward thinking, and forward facing topic Mito Eve, 

 

Trust me to note this prior to getting to the nuts and bolts.... but it's included in your post, so I include it in mine... The licence needed for a VERY SMALL jest for this reason only! >>
 

5 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

The guest at the end, who clearly seemed to be Elon Musk but whose identity kept changing

 

Just the thought of that alone (for anyone with an ounce of humor- [dark or regular]-humor for a few mere seconds..) would indeed laugh on that note, (and don't feel guilty if you do either, we have to remember we are human sometimes, and weird tho somethings may well be or appear to be, we can allow ourselves to react accordingly as human beings DO =that's us lot for anyone confused)..... and whether the strange elements in prospect of claiming the world as theirs informationally or whatnot, may freak us out, by certain findings, it is down to each of us to decide, and that's what's cool to balance our intake of this and indeed any material.....

So as a quick uninformed aside, a bit funny (excuse me), if this were not such a S E R I O U S thread and matter as a whole for MAM being infiltrated as per the DARK SIDE there attempted to be layed bare..
(to be taken seriously, and when so serious, at times is easily possible; a frustrating jaunt (?) that maybe like in any like matter, a matter of will to find out stuff....
and yet where & when necessary chasing down what's going down (or else at other times could be the sound of the furore just like a "flare gun", done for attention by all that is dark and devious out there, and arguably to the same ill effect).... and so anyway could be indeed called for sometimes to assess the level of seriousness or offensive diatribe & anti-truth destablilizing etc / and /or  cancel cultureness of it all.. depending on how we find, but as appears at face value ultimately could be  the work churned out by propogandist clowns of course as would be the obvious conclusion on one side but also are the paid covert operators in power that corrupt by their own disinformation manifesto of their own to mangle perception & thus disengage ordinary people  **but as per the same End Goal as the more amateur disruptors)**...

 

but soberly soberly, I say ALL this before I watch the video which could be a visual headache or disturbance for that part where Elon features, or is believed to, nevertheless, can't miss a pun so fine as I will now just touch upon, even when come the end I maybe more creeped out, after watching but also any excuse for a lighter hearted look at the offending people is a welcome interlude perhaps. Or in aftermath at seeing what has come to light, to use it then to resettle our minds in the process of making up our minds contextually (when coming back to serious likewise) in any regard whilst sussing out stuff (or rather WHEAT FROM CHAFF as per adventure), for literally anyone sincerely processing the world around them, and delving in among the strata of whatever put before us, not least that which is sent to rile & ruffle our beautifully preened feathers, and then in among us, the nominal and sub-nominal fine tuning where be any "sense" to come avail, in among the madnesses can do so, and so as it were reshuffling with the data in said strata of indeed many layers even when cobbled together in the clown element by amateur propagandists as the case maybe (or some cases as certain to be).....

 

Anyway, as it goes and as for the apparent humor that could be inferred, I will just take this in a mocking lizard stride (STS), as to adopt briefly the seasoned amateur mogul ill defined character but with hyper discernment (think Detective Columbo like I used to watch on TV), if a bit rough around the edges on my off days says I... and anyway of this whole paragraph  mine the guy I allude to at first base (although last in the video) is of course  aiming at one Elon Musk.

 

5 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Whilst I have started a separate thread specifically about Sean Adl-Tabatabai and The People's Voice, I feel this topic deserves a thread in its own right as a more general discussion of controlled elements within the alternative media. I was unable to find an existing thread but I am happy for the moderators to correct that if I have overlooked something.

 

Couldn't agree more, identify who is lambasting and mocking us, and sending shockwaves of peculiar derision by perverting truth.etc ..... this is what needs more focusing upon where tenable to understand (their madness included), even when as you said in the Sean Adl-Tabatabai thread, it could be not worth poking around with sleeping dogs at times, though when these certain people are still active and even expanding their vitriol it becomes kinda hard to ignore ,but so whoever are other people in the story, and wherever the infiltrating comes from, I think you still did right in posting it to us, in both the respective threads. Absolutely!.... Whilst btw, speaking of diatribe, excuse my own diatribe above, all I really mean to say is - for want of a better phrase.... Quids in for Truth on some level... (sts)

Edited April 10, 2024 by Certified Green of Heart

[Grumpy Owl]

8 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

By no means is what is now being called the MAM a recent concern of Mark Windows who has spoken out against infiltration of alternative circles for years and was one of the first to identify the controlled elements of the Covid protest movement and the replay of the strategies used to destroy the Occupy movement. That is not to say that all who attended or spoke at the protests were controlled, just that there were controlled elements unbeknownst to most. He also explains how the "energy harvesting" "self promoting" newcomers bring an "unhealthy injection of distraction" and divert the unwary into topics of no importance. The new wave of "truthers", he says, don't want people with experience, more honed discernment and pattern recognition showing them up.

 

Thanks for that, I watched that same video of David Kurten talking to Mark Windows last night - after I had posted a comment in the 'April 8th' eclipse thread.

 

 

I've seen the name Mark Windows pop up a couple of times in this forum, but again he's not someone I regularly follow, so don't know much about him to be honest.

 

But I did tend to agree with a lot of what he was saying to David Kurten.

 

I'm also reminded of what I read about in two of Andrew Johnson's books on 9/11, "Finding The Truth" and "Holding The Truth", where he went into some detail on how factions emerged within the 'truther community', arguing against each other on "how it was done", and how far some people went to dismiss and ridicule any other 'alternative theories' like those proposed by Dr Judy Wood. (Now I'm not saying I believe she was correct, but it was curious to read about how other 'prominent figures' treated her and others that backed her findings)

 

While I don't want to start naming names and pointing fingers, I do believe there are a number of gatekeepers out there, and I am wary of people in the 'alternative media' who push and promote what could well be 'distractions', in order to divert peoples' attentions away from whatever the true nature of 'the conspiracy' is.

[Mitochondrial Eve]

14 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Thanks for that, I watched that same video of David Kurten talking to Mark Windows last night - after I had posted a comment in the 'April 8th' eclipse thread.

 

 

I've seen the name Mark Windows pop up a couple of times in this forum, but again he's not someone I regularly follow, so don't know much about him to be honest.

 

But I did tend to agree with a lot of what he was saying to David Kurten.

 

I'm also reminded of what I read about in two of Andrew Johnson's books on 9/11, "Finding The Truth" and "Holding The Truth", where he went into some detail on how factions emerged within the 'truther community', arguing against each other on "how it was done", and how far some people went to dismiss and ridicule any other 'alternative theories' like those proposed by Dr Judy Wood. (Now I'm not saying I believe she was correct, but it was curious to read about how other 'prominent figures' treated her and others that backed her findings)

 

While I don't want to start naming names and pointing fingers, I do believe there are a number of gatekeepers out there, and I am wary of people in the 'alternative media' who push and promote what could well be 'distractions', in order to divert peoples' attentions away from whatever the true nature of 'the conspiracy' is.

 

I think DI shares your sentiment over "pointing fingers" - it seems to me that he doesn't like making accusations about others within the alt space but has felt he has to speak out when it comes to the recent accolades about Musk. The impression I get with DI is that he is open to appearing on any platform offered, even those offered up by potentially controlled elements, in order to get his message out. Having been on the receiving end of accusations of being controlled opposition himself, I imagine DI understands that this can also be a "divide and rule" tactic used to scatter any dissenting voices. Everyone has been accused of being a "shill" at some point so perhaps DI feels that if he was to pay heed to such assertions rather than focus on getting his message out, there would be no channels left.

 

In light of that, perhaps it is more worthwhile examining instead the strategies which may be employed by rogue elements.

 

One thing I have noticed is how some individuals suddenly rise to stardom within the "movement" as a guru in their chosen field - often in "common law" or trusts but also within the child abuse and SRA circuit. Then there are the "whistle-blowers", often ex police officers, who burst onto the scene and are lauded as heroes who are bringing down the system and who urge their audience to write to their MPs, contact the police, serve notices or take some other form of time wasting action. There is regularly a born again Christian element to their message too and crowd funding campaigns are another common trend alongside more general grift. When they are exposed - e.g. for leading people on a merry dance and, when it comes to the "common law" / freeman on the land types, when people start losing their assets or end up in other trouble from following their guidance - they and/or their audience often slip away whilst the affair is quietly and conveniently forgotten.

 

From the sidelines you get the likes of Mohammed Shafiq, who admittedly is pretty entertaining, or Raynard Wilson taking the piss. And you get other "truthers" calling them out too with apparent sincerity but who may themselves be part of the conspiracy circus.

 

Other times it is simply an exciting new story for the "truth movement" to devour which keeps the distraction going - the eclipse could be one example of that. I don't share in the enthusiasm of looking for the symbolism or numerology / gematria which comes across to me as further "energy harvesting" whilst keeping people in awe of the alleged immense occulted powers of our overlords. Isn't it just another form of giving our power away?

 

Then the story dies down and the cycle starts again... Rinse and repeat - yet many fail to spot the patterns and fall for it over and over again whilst getting excited when the latest big distraction is released.

 

As for 9/11, it is enough for me to know that the mainstream story is too flawed to be true and I prefer to understand why it was done rather than how - I am no engineering expert or scientist (and don't aspire to be) and know my limitations in that I don't have a hope in hell of knowing how it was done to a point of certainty. James Corbett's amusing and concise 9/11: A Conspiracy Theory is enough for me but I can, on the other hand, appreciate those with more specialised knowledge wanting to present an alternative hypothesis.

[Mitochondrial Eve]

I don't subscribe to David Kurten's channel but his videos of late have been appearing in my feeds including this interview with Gareth.

 

Gareth and David discuss how the independent media has gained influence so naturally has come to be co-opted in some quarters including an opportunistic seizing on the "freedom movement" in the wake of Covid due to the traction that built up in support anti-lockdown and anti-vax sentiment. Some of the supposed alternative media have now changed tack and no longer support autonomy and choice when it comes freedom of speech surrounding humanitarian issues within the Palestinian conflict - this casts doubt on whether they truly value freedom after all.

 

 

[Mitochondrial Eve]

David and Jaymie Icke make a similar observation to what I have mentioned above in that increasing numbers of the MAM appear to have religious motivations - in the Dot-Connector video below, they discuss this growing momentum from around 9 minutes in and sense orchestration and an agenda in play. For example, Candace Owens has openly converted to Roman Catholicism in recent days following in the footsteps of Jordan Peterson's wife, Russell Brand is also said to have recited the rosary and Eva Vlaardingerbroek apparently never misses an opportunity to promote the Catholic faith.

 

Whilst acknowledging that people can believe whatever they want to believe, they question the cognitive dissonance involved in supposed advocates for freedom glorifying the Roman church with its history of oppression and control and which they feel is everything that the alternative media should be challenging especially considering how religion has served those in power for millenia.

 

 

[Grumpy Grapes]

It's not cognitive dissonance, IMO, it's a deliberate ploy to further the stereotype that we're anti-science 'religious nutters'. 

[Mitochondrial Eve]

16 hours ago, Grumpy Grapes said:

It's not cognitive dissonance, IMO, it's a deliberate ploy to further the stereotype that we're anti-science 'religious nutters'. 

 

Thank you. I think you make an important point about the stereotyping of conspiracy researchers as religious nutters and that it is not a new phenomenon.

 

When I came across the alternative media for the first time in around 2015 and for a few years thereafter, my main staples were the likes of DI, Graham Hancock, Richard D Hall, James Corbett and Lloyd Pye, none of which, as far as I am aware, espouse(d) mainstream religious views. As I recall it, the old forum seemed to have a culture that was much more open to exploring concepts that may now be denounced as “new age” or “occult”. Added to that is that, being British and of no particular religious persuasion, I didn't necessarily appreciate the popularity of the Christian conservative right in the US. So it took me a while to realise just how much of a religious undercurrent there is to many conspiracy theories.

 

When I first starting attending my local Stand in the Park, I was taken aback by the number of Christians who all approached as individuals rather than being previously connected. Out of those, some seemed enthused by the prospect that we may be approaching end times and the fulfilment of Biblical prophecy. Coupled with the rise of the likes of Hugo Talks who suddenly became a born again Christian whilst condemning so called “new age” doctors and campaigners within the freedom movement, I started to wonder why the tide was turning within the alt space from questioning mainstream religion whilst being open to alternatives to affirming the church and demonising things not of it.

 

A popular form of action within the local freedom movements has been the yellow boards which initially started out as anti-lockdown and anti-vax in terms of messaging but have now branched out into other areas including 5G, digital currency, chemtrails, excess deaths and more. I haven't participated in the yellow boards myself and I don't mean to criticise those that have because at least they are trying, but to me they resemble “religious nutters” holding up “the end is nigh” placards – and, if such a thought crosses my mind, I doubt it would be far from the minds of “Normies”. I recall Richard D Hall questioned the yellow boards when they first started popping up as if they may have been planted and, whilst I didn't agree at the time, on reflection perhaps he had a point.

 

I can now appreciate that an undercurrent has always accompanied conspiracy research and which I was not previously aware of. But it has definitely become more emphasised since the Scamdemic and perhaps this opportunity has been seized upon by the “here and no further” elements in order to redirect the increasing numbers of people questioning mainstream narratives into avenues which serve the overlords.

[Grumpy Grapes]

55 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

Thank you. I think you make an important point about the stereotyping of conspiracy researchers as religious nutters and that it is not a new phenomenon.

 

When I came across the alternative media for the first time in around 2015 and for a few years thereafter, my main staples were the likes of DI, Graham Hancock, Richard D Hall, James Corbett and Lloyd Pye, none of which, as far as I am aware, espouse(d) mainstream religious views. As I recall it, the old forum seemed to have a culture that was much more open to exploring concepts that may now be denounced as “new age” or “occult”. Added to that is that, being British and of no particular religious persuasion, I didn't necessarily appreciate the popularity of the Christian conservative right in the US. So it took me a while to realise just how much of a religious undercurrent there is to many conspiracy theories.

 

When I first starting attending my local Stand in the Park, I was taken aback by the number of Christians who all approached as individuals rather than being previously connected. Out of those, some seemed enthused by the prospect that we may be approaching end times and the fulfilment of Biblical prophecy. Coupled with the rise of the likes of Hugo Talks who suddenly became a born again Christian whilst condemning so called “new age” doctors and campaigners within the freedom movement, I started to wonder why the tide was turning within the alt space from questioning mainstream religion whilst being open to alternatives to affirming the church and demonising things not of it.

 

A popular form of action within the local freedom movements has been the yellow boards which initially started out as anti-lockdown and anti-vax in terms of messaging but have now branched out into other areas including 5G, digital currency, chemtrails, excess deaths and more. I haven't participated in the yellow boards myself and I don't mean to criticise those that have because at least they are trying, but to me they resemble “religious nutters” holding up “the end is nigh” placards – and, if such a thought crosses my mind, I doubt it would be far from the minds of “Normies”. I recall Richard D Hall questioned the yellow boards when they first started popping up as if they may have been planted and, whilst I didn't agree at the time, on reflection perhaps he had a point.

 

I can now appreciate that an undercurrent has always accompanied conspiracy research and which I was not previously aware of. But it has definitely become more emphasised since the Scamdemic and perhaps this opportunity has been seized upon by the “here and no further” elements in order to redirect the increasing numbers of people questioning mainstream narratives into avenues which serve the overlords.

 

There were overtly Christian groups with Christian banners in the crowds who publicly protested at the pandemic marches and rallies. 

Edited April 26, 2024 by Grumpy Grapes

[Grumpy Owl]

On 4/25/2024 at 8:51 PM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

David and Jaymie Icke make a similar observation to what I have mentioned above in that increasing numbers of the MAM appear to have religious motivations - in the Dot-Connector video below, they discuss this growing momentum from around 9 minutes in and sense orchestration and an agenda in play. For example, Candace Owens has openly converted to Roman Catholicism in recent days following in the footsteps of Jordan Peterson's wife, Russell Brand is also said to have recited the rosary and Eva Vlaardingerbroek apparently never misses an opportunity to promote the Catholic faith.

 

Yes, I noticed this a while back too. I used to follow Dave Cullen (Computing Forever), and while I found many of his videos interesting, there came a point when I started to 'switch off' as he started promoting Christianity after 'rediscovering his faith'.

 

(On a side note, I also found it curious how someone who started out making videos about computing and technology ended up focusing on social/political commentary, especially that of a 'conspiratorial nature')

 

And of course the same thing happened with 'Hugo Talks', who suddenly 'rediscovered his faith' and started promoting and encouraging Christianity.

 

Which also leads nicely onto David Kurten, former UKIP London Assembly member, now leader of the Heritage Party. The core of his party's manifesto is built on 'Christian values', and also espoused his Christian views on his YouTube channel, though of late there seems to be less of that, now his channel is clips from his TNT Radio show.

 

I have nothing against Christians and Christianity, and anyone can follow whichever religion they want to, as long as they don't try and force it upon me.

 

But I am concerned about the 'path' that some alternative commentators/personalities are trying to lead their followers down.

[Grumpy Grapes]

Don't forget negative publicity towards Muslim/Arab conspiracy theories.

 

"Conspiracy theories in the Arab world"

 

Conspiracy theories are a prevalent feature of Arab politics, according to a 1994 paper in the journal Political Psychology.^[1] Prof. Matthew Gray writes they "are a common and popular phenomenon" that are important to understanding the political landscape of the Arab world.^[2] Variants include conspiracies involving Western colonialism, Islamic anti-Semitism, anti-Zionism, superpowers, oil, and the war on terror,^[3][4][5][6] which is often referred to in Arab media as a "War against Islam".^[2][4][5] Roger Cohen theorizes that the popularity of conspiracy theories in the Arab world is "the ultimate refuge of the powerless."^[7] 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories_in_the_Arab_world

 

[Grumpy Owl]

4 hours ago, Grumpy Grapes said:

Don't forget negative publicity towards Muslim/Arab conspiracy theories.

 

"Conspiracy theories in the Arab world"

 

Conspiracy theories are a prevalent feature of Arab politics, according to a 1994 paper in the journal Political Psychology.^[1] Prof. Matthew Gray writes they "are a common and popular phenomenon" that are important to understanding the political landscape of the Arab world.^[2] Variants include conspiracies involving Western colonialism, Islamic anti-Semitism, anti-Zionism, superpowers, oil, and the war on terror,^[3][4][5][6] which is often referred to in Arab media as a "War against Islam".^[2][4][5] Roger Cohen theorizes that the popularity of conspiracy theories in the Arab world is "the ultimate refuge of the powerless."^[7] 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories_in_the_Arab_world

 

 

Yes, it's all part of the "divide and conquer" strategy to have people turning on each other. No doubt you also have the same thing in Russia and China.

[Grumpy Owl]

5 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

Which also leads nicely onto David Kurten, former UKIP London Assembly member, now leader of the Heritage Party. The core of his party's manifesto is built on 'Christian values', and also espoused his Christian views on his YouTube channel, though of late there seems to be less of that, now his channel is clips from his TNT Radio show.

 

I have nothing against Christians and Christianity, and anyone can follow whichever religion they want to, as long as they don't try and force it upon me.

 

But I am concerned about the 'path' that some alternative commentators/personalities are trying to lead their followers down.

 

Just to add that while I haven't followed any religion for many years, I do like David Kurten and I do agree with much of his Heritage Party's manifesto, and I would happily vote for any of their candidates if they stood in any election in my council ward or constituency. In my opinion, you don't need to be religious to be a 'good person', and the idea of Christian 'morals and principles' can exist outside of religion.

 

 

Also in addition to my earlier post, I do also subscribe to The Lotus Eaters on YouTube, though I'm not a paid-up subscriber to their website. I do note that they seem to have been joined recently by Calvin Robinson. I've watched a couple of his clips they've shared on Youtube, and he makes me feel uneasy. While he may make some valid points, he's very much very overtly Christian.

 

 

 

 

[Fluke]

On 4/26/2024 at 4:56 PM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

As I recall it, the old forum seemed to have a culture that was much more open to exploring concepts that may now be denounced as “new age” or “occult”. Added to that is that, being British and of no particular religious persuasion, I didn't necessarily appreciate the popularity of the Christian conservative right in the US. So it took me a while to realise just how much of a religious undercurrent there is to many conspiracy theories.

 

You recall it how I recall it. It did seem people in the alternative scene were a bit more open with concepts like the occult and the old forum. 

I remember David ickes first or second book were quite fortean in and of themselves as well, he wrote a lot about ley-lines and energy centres. Just my two cents great thread by the way.

 

[Lt. Columbo]

I wonder if the reason why people in the MAM and also some people in general are turning to religion is because they've sensed a shift in consciousness. But instead of going on your own spiritual path they're turning to religion and confusing that with spirituality. It's a lot easier to turn up at church and do the ritual and read the book and then say that you've found god than to do it on your own without the aid of the system. It could be to keep the system in place, because if people all went on their own true spiritual journey then I reckon the system/control structure would collapse and that still scares a lot of people even in the alternative media and conspiracy circles because it then puts the responsibility on yourself.

 

I also wonder if this religion thing is to do with how technocrats and corps are taking control away from the politicians and maybe the religious leaders will do the same, the catholic(and possibly others) church seems to be aligning itself with the WEF which is pushing this technocracy agenda. There is like a common ground for religious people and non religious, of course those who are going on a true spiritual path or just raising awareness without the religion will again be isolated as they'll see through all of this.

Edited April 28, 2024 by Lt. Columbo

[Grumpy Grapes]

I think a lot of people became disillusioned with certain aspects of the New Age Movement, as did David. My honeymoon with the NAM came to an end when I realised that the Ruling Elite were behind it, e.g. Laurence Rockefeller funding crop circle researcher Colin Andrews. Here is an old article with a photo of Andrews with David, David's psychic friend Yeva, and UFO researcher Scott Jones, who I didn't trust. 

 

https://colinandrews.net/Yeva.html#sthash.mmq8gqer.dpuf

 

Edited April 29, 2024 by Grumpy Grapes

[Mitochondrial Eve]

On 4/29/2024 at 1:10 AM, Grumpy Grapes said:

I think a lot of people became disillusioned with certain aspects of the New Age Movement, as did David. My honeymoon with the NAM came to an end when I realised that the Ruling Elite were behind it, e.g. Laurence Rockefeller funding crop circle researcher Colin Andrews. Here is an old article with a photo of Andrews with David, David's psychic friend Yeva, and UFO researcher Scott Jones, who I didn't trust. 

 

https://colinandrews.net/Yeva.html#sthash.mmq8gqer.dpuf

 

 

I don't mean to come across as an apologist for the new age as I don't doubt that it has its controlled elements. As Gareth has pointed out recently, if the striking miners of the 1980s found their communities had been infiltrated, he would be offended if alternative circles hadn't been! I am aware of the theories surrounding Alice Bailey, Lucifer Publishing / the Lucis Trust and World Goodwill as the “spiritual arm” of the UN - however, I am not entirely sure that it isn't a red herring or at least very much exaggerated. The counter-culture movement of the 1960s was doubtless co-opted too – that is, if it was at all organic at its inception. A lot of new age content is certainly dubious in my opinion and there are cults / gurus of concern - but neither can I, given its vague and broad definition, dismiss it all nor the spirit of enquiry.

 

However, some of the attacks I see directed towards the new age, or older belief systems that are now also being given that label, border on hysterical. This includes claims, especially in millenialist circles, that new age beliefs are going to be imposed as a one world religion headed up by the Antichrist and based in Satanism and the occult. I think that is extremely unlikely, especially as religious belief systems have been a primary cause of division which has served the overlords since time immemorial. In fact, from what I have observed, it is the fundamentalists who have the biggest appetite for religious supremacy and the elimination of other belief systems which will invariably be demonised.

 

What I suspect has been going on is an age old battle between two distinct value systems.

 

On the one hand are those who prefer to be told what to think and value and how they should conduct themselves. Such individuals gravitate towards mainstream institutions and conformity and seem to have a left brain bias. In terms of archetypes, this school of thought sympathises with the likes of the Biblical patriarchs or Enlil of the Sumerian tradition.

 

On the other hand, are those who are non-conformist who look to themselves rather than to an intermediary, e.g. a priest class, claiming moral authority. This is the case in various alternative belief systems including mysticism, the new age, the human potential movement, esoterica, (neo)paganism, Gnosticism etc. Right brain thinking seems more prominent and I see parallels with the serpent in the Garden of Eden, Lucifer and Enki of the Sumerian tradition.

 

I may be making sweeping generalisations here, but it seems to me that conservative types tend to prefer the former approach whereas libertarians lean towards the latter. Both seem to feel threatened by the other. The conservative types would prefer to preserve traditional morals and institutions and see any progressive policies as subversive often branding them as a means of 'cultural Marxism' – they are concerned that society is being socially engineered towards destructive selfism. Whereas more liberal types see traditional institutions as corrupt, dogmatic and restrictive and would like a new system more conducive to freedom and autonomy.

 

Neither doctrine is intrinsically good or bad I suspect. I can see points on both sides, but my most natural leaning is towards non-conformity as I arrive at my own conclusions whilst dogma turns me off. However, I am aware of the experiments of the early humanistic psychologists who destroyed religious orders by removing the moral authority of the order and focusing on human potential and individual conscience. The nuns involved disavowed their faith and some became lesbians. The psychologists didn't really factor in the dark side of the human make up and it seems that perhaps many of the masses don't have a firm value system / conscience that they have worked out for themselves hence why they look to authority to tell them what to think and how to behave (hence the disappointing displays during Covid). This casts doubt as to the readiness of many individuals to form their own moral compass and become sovereign, albeit largely because of rampant conditioning imposed from childhood.

 

Within the conspiracy sphere, it seems that a tug of war is also going on between these two competing value systems with both sides not above pulling tricks. It seems to me that, alongside dark forms of psychology, conspiracy theories can be weaponised and used by those with an interest in societal control. That includes playing on the fears and values people hold.

 

[Lt. Columbo]

I've noticed for several years or so now that the conspiracy circles have become more rigid, when I first got introduced to this stuff it seemed like there were more ideas floating around. There was more spiritual knowledge being discussed without being labelled 'New Age' when mentioning energy and chakras. Like I said earlier I think that's why more are turning to religion and also strangely even politics because they sense the system is collapsing and people are scrambling desperately trying to keep it propped up even though they will say that they are for freedom. David Icke's latest Dot Connector show he discussed with Jaymie how there seems to be a mindset of looking for certainty, when that isn't possible, life is always going to have uncertainty and again it's why people even in the conspiracy and MAM circles are trying to hold up the system. But it's going to collapse, it's inevitable.

Edited April 30, 2024 by Lt. Columbo

[Lt. Columbo]

Just to add, I think that the 1960s counter culture/hippy movement was likely organic but ended up highjacked, I think there was a similar shift in consciousness that took place then and then took place again in the late 80s early 90s. Bands like the Stone Roses/Happy Mondays/The Shaman etc. were kind of tapping into that consciousness, then you had the rave gatherings and the introduction of ecstasy which was probably a bit like the LSD of the 60s and then what followed was the massive cocaine use by the time the Britpop scene arrived, a bit like when the 70s arrived a lot of figures got sucked into the cocaine use which happens to be a massive ego drug. I think it also happened again around 2006-2009 but not in terms of music I think it was more the conspiracy and alternative thinking became more widespread it reached the mainstream, it seems each time it get's highjacked which again we are seeing now but it feels more like a much larger general awakening is happening because the bullshit from the system is becoming more blatant to people. 

Edited April 30, 2024 by Lt. Columbo

[Grumpy Grapes]

If it's mainstream, it's the Ruling Elite, not "the people have spoken", so I don't subscribe to the 'kidnapped'  and remoulded interpretation. 

[Lt. Columbo]

Pretty much everything is controlled by the system but people within the system can still slip through and challenge it, David Icke was with the BBC and British Green Party and yet here he is after 34 years challenging the system despite being put under mass ridicule in the 90s. But the system is not bigger than infinite awareness so you can have like in the 60s bands writing and recording music that's protesting against the system, despite them being part of it through the music industry although usually they get reigned in and if they refuse then usually they get taken out or their career is destroyed and it happens in other areas of entertainment and also the media and corporations. Or you can have like after 911 conspiracy's getting into the mainstream awareness, because before then as David Icke has mentioned it was nearly impossible to get anyone interested. It's also why he say's to understand what is going on you have to go beyond the 5 sense of understanding otherwise you're just going to be limited to cynically calling everything controlled opposition. I'm by no means saying that mainstream isn't controlled because absolutely is there is stuff that get's put out there by the system to bring in more censorship or to fool people into following someone like Elon Musk or Russell Brand, but they're doing that because they realise that there is more people wakening up and challenging them so they have to put these characters out their to distract and divert like the MAM.

Edited April 30, 2024 by Lt. Columbo

[Grumpy Grapes]

1 hour ago, Lt. Columbo said:

Pretty much everything is controlled by the system but people within the system can still slip through and challenge it, David Icke was with the BBC and British Green Party and yet here he is after 34 years challenging the system despite being put under mass ridicule in the 90s. But the system is not bigger than infinite awareness so you can have like in the 60s bands writing and recording music that's protesting against the system, despite them being part of it through the music industry although usually they get reigned in and if they refuse then usually they get taken out or their career is destroyed and it happens in other areas of entertainment and also the media and corporations. Or you can have like after 911 conspiracy's getting into the mainstream awareness, because before then as David Icke has mentioned it was nearly impossible to get anyone interested. It's also why he say's to understand what is going on you have to go beyond the 5 sense of understanding otherwise you're just going to be limited to cynically calling everything controlled opposition. I'm by no means saying that mainstream isn't controlled because absolutely is there is stuff that get's put out there by the system to bring in more censorship or to fool people into following someone like Elon Musk or Russell Brand, but they're doing that because they realise that there is more people wakening up and challenging them so they have to put these characters out their to distract and divert like the MAM.

 

DI has not 'slipped through the net', IMO; his poor reputation (some of his own making) in the eyes of the general public has contributed to the negative stereotyping of the conspiracy community . His censored/banned state in mainstream society suggests that he's been netted. 

 

The rise of the New Age Movement can be traced back at least to the Victorian British Empire and the 'spiritual' occult groups back then. 

[Lt. Columbo]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Grapes said:

 

DI has not 'slipped through the net', IMO; his poor reputation (some of his own making) in the eyes of the general public has contributed to the negative stereotyping of the conspiracy community . His censored/banned state in mainstream society suggests that he's been netted. 

 

The rise of the New Age Movement can be traced back at least to the Victorian British Empire and the 'spiritual' occult groups back then. 

People who spoke out against the system have always been ridiculed, that's just what happens when you challenge the system or even just simply having a different view or even dressing differently to other people can bring ridicule. What's he meant to do, self censor himself in case he get's ridiculed by narrow minded people? In the 1960s the CIA coined the term 'conspiracy theory' used to discredit people questioning the JFK and Martin Luther King Jr assassinations. So it was going on when David Icke was still kicking a football long before he had his awakening in the early 90s. If he is controlled as you say then the cult are doing a shit job of controlling him. So I'm not buying this thing that he is controlled opposition, I hear this a lot also with other researchers, forget about the MAM as it's clear as day that they're controlled whether they realise this or not. I'm talking about genuine researchers who go beyond hear and no further. 

Not sure what New Age remark is about, how does that relate to what I'm saying? As I've said in another topic the New Age has hijacked spirituality just like religion, unfortunately talking about spirituality and using spiritual terms/phrases often get's labelled as New Age.

 

Edited April 30, 2024 by Lt. Columbo

[Dragon Slayer]

When my discernment is unsure on certain individuals in the MAM, I often mute the volume and observe body language and eye movements. I'm convinced 100% that Satan's juice has disrupted people's ability to perceive bullshit. God help the next generation...

[Lt. Columbo]

I thought I'd add this here as it's a response from David Icke to a tweet from Russell Brand and relates to this topic:

 

The point is not that people seek a ‘higher power’ – it is that they seek it through religions created by humans, not a ‘higher power’. Let us take a breath, a step back, and look at this again – dispassionately

 

5.4 of the 8 billion humans follow either Christianity, Islam or Hinduism, never mind all the others like Judaism. Religions all claiming to connect us to this ‘higher power’ have dominated human perception in the period that the world has become a psychological shithole and a nightmare survival existence for most people worldwide.

 

The foundational beliefs of Christianity solidified with the Council of Nicaea overseen by Roman Emperor Constantine the Great in 325 AD; Islam dates from Muhammed in the period following 600 AD; Hinduism is said to date from possibly 2300 BC. They all have a history of perpetuating themselves through violence, guilt, shame, and intergenerational pressure. 

 

So these various group-think beliefs with their version of a ‘higher power’ have been with us all this ‘time’ and what has been the result? The world we see today. 

 

They have served like the others as a group-think belief system that (a) keeps their advocates in line through the ‘fear of God’ and breaching the belief-barricade; and (b) provides the perfect fault-line society through which the population can be crucially divided and ruled by the few – ‘My God is better than your God’. 

 

Religions inflict a ritualistic here-and-no-further perception pattern that overwhelmingly rejects any possibility that does not conform to its religious one-possibility. 

 

I call the ‘higher power’ as it relates to me the All That Is, Has Been, And Ever Can Be. This is a state of consciousness, of which we are all an expression, which translates simply as Infinite All-Possibility. 

 

Beyond the perceptual confines of the ‘headset body’, is infinity denied us by the ludicrous limits of visible light. We are consciousness infinitely exploring forever forever. We have just been manipulated to forget to induce a perceptual state of ‘little me’. The word Islam means to submit and that is what religions want you to do – submit to the will of their ‘God’ as interpreted by priests, imams, rabbis, and gurus. 

 

Religion has played a central role in that forgetfulness by presenting a series of One-Possibilities to deflect us from the All-Possibility that we are. 

 

This is why I find it so sad that members of the Mainstream ‘Alternative’ Media (MAM) ask which denomination they should join, proclaim their Christian baptism, convert to the Cult-owned Roman Catholic Church, and promote ‘Catholic Hallow prayer apps’ funded by intelligence-and-Pentagon-to-his-DNA, Peter Thiel. They say they demand freedom then give their own away. 

 

We don’t need middlemen, and now some women, in fancy dress to make a reconnection with the Infinite All That Is. We can do it directly with no ritual or rigid belief system to which to conform, follow. and submit. 

 

Wake up people. Religion has been there for thousands of years to put you to sleep.

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Edited May 1, 2024 by Lt. Columbo