Reducing "negative thoughts"

[Mr H]

9 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

I heard the same rubber band technique from a Zen Buddhist teacher as a way to bring the mind back into the present moment of sensory awareness, and away from abstract thinking. Other Buddhist teachers used to ring a bell for the same reason, or to take a pause and 3 breaths. Using the body to let go of negative or distracting thoughts. 

Yes.

 

And in the Gurdieff school he had a big gong and everyone had to pause when he bashed it....

[DaleP]

6 hours ago, Mr H said:

Just as an aside. If folks want energetic release without the psychedelic component then kambo would be better than Ayahuasca.

 

I'd say sauna.

[DaleP]

5 hours ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

I’d like to think it will, but yes they don’t exist there, but on the flip side everything is frequency and will come back to you eventually.

A drop in the ocean can create enormous waves

 

You think it will?

 

Moral is like the man-made laws, it changes over time. Back in 60s, gay activity was a crime. Now, if you don't accept you are the crimial and we are on the doorstep of paedos becoming accepted because they have rights as well.

 

If someone steals from me which is of mine, I'd get it back. There is always another thinking that those that steal from your house, car probably needed drug money to survive but I'm not nice so I won't leave the doors open. I am also up for the game if likes of NHS steals my health by jabbing or negligence but I'm sure people with moral would queue up to get jabbed and bang pots n pans on Thursday at 8pm, it's for the humanity. Look where they are now? 6ft under.

 

Moral is there for mind control, much like religion.

 

[LastOneLeftInTheCounty]

8 hours ago, Mr H said:

I have never seen trouble with regular dosage use.

 

Indeed many folks micro dose forever and are fine.

 

I did San Pedro cactus ( my preferred plant) almost daily for 4 months and am fine, although some may disagree 

Not talking about micro dosing, talking about full on smack down. 
 

You can’t take them the next day, they have no effect, I’ve found waiting at least three or four days between trips works, but those days are gone. 
Maybe in another place, another culture I’d find them useful again. Not here though. 

[LastOneLeftInTheCounty]

3 hours ago, DaleP said:

 

You think it will?

 

Moral is like the man-made laws, it changes over time. Back in 60s, gay activity was a crime. Now, if you don't accept you are the crimial and we are on the doorstep of paedos becoming accepted because they have rights as well.

 

If someone steals from me which is of mine, I'd get it back. There is always another thinking that those that steal from your house, car probably needed drug money to survive but I'm not nice so I won't leave the doors open. I am also up for the game if likes of NHS steals my health by jabbing or negligence but I'm sure people with moral would queue up to get jabbed and bang pots n pans on Thursday at 8pm, it's for the humanity. Look where they are now? 6ft under.

 

Moral is there for mind control, much like religion.

 

Ok, fair point.

 

Let’s re jigg that to - ‘selective morality’ 

 

Like a silent feather, skipping across the forest on the wind.

[Mr H]

5 minutes ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

Not talking about micro dosing, talking about full on smack down. 
 

You can’t take them the next day, they have no effect, I’ve found waiting at least three or four days between trips works, but those days are gone. 
Maybe in another place, another culture I’d find them useful again. Not here though. 

Yeah I was full dosing. And many times on consequtive days. San Pedro and Aya will still have effect next day, not like other "drugs".

[Campion]

3 hours ago, DaleP said:

Moral is there for mind control, much like religion. 

 

Ok, and behaviour control. Is that such a bad thing? If you want to belong to a community there's going to be some social norms to conform too. 

[DaleP]

2 hours ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

Ok, fair point.

 

Let’s re jigg that to - ‘selective morality’ 

 

Like a silent feather, skipping across the forest on the wind.

 

Poetic mate.

[DaleP]

2 hours ago, Campion said:

 

Ok, and behaviour control. Is that such a bad thing? If you want to belong to a community there's going to be some social norms to conform too. 

 

There is an ongoing thread called something along the line of "Not fitting in...."

[LastOneLeftInTheCounty]

3 hours ago, Campion said:

 

Ok, and behaviour control. Is that such a bad thing? If you want to belong to a community there's going to be some social norms to conform too. 

Conservatism, whether physically or spiritually, is an emotion of survival, community and longevity. 
 

Rulezzzz

[LastOneLeftInTheCounty]

1 hour ago, DaleP said:

 

Poetic mate.

I try

[LastOneLeftInTheCounty]

4 hours ago, Mr H said:

Yeah I was full dosing. And many times on consequtive days. San Pedro and Aya will still have effect next day, not like other "drugs".

And the mushies worked the next day after you took them? You must be a medical anomaly.

 

Report to the Royal College of Physicians for evaluation. 
 

Ever done salvia? 

[Mr H]

10 hours ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

And the mushies worked the next day after you took them? You must be a medical anomaly.

 

Report to the Royal College of Physicians for evaluation. 
 

Ever done salvia? 

Mushrooms not so much. You can maybe do two sessions of mushrooms before needing a break. I don't really take mushrooms. Maybe just couple times. It's quite intense for me. San Pedro just vibes with me more, no vomiting and you retain a modicum of normalness during the experience..

 

No I never tried. It was in the markets in Peru salvia but didn't appeal too much 

[LastOneLeftInTheCounty]

Salvia is like a cartoon, it twists your head then makes you feel like your falling through the earth. Everything becomes fucked up, and you recognise nothing. 
 

‘She’ is down there- under the earth

[Mr H]

4 hours ago, LastOneLeftInTheCounty said:

Salvia is like a cartoon, it twists your head then makes you feel like your falling through the earth. Everything becomes fucked up, and you recognise nothing. 
 

‘She’ is down there- under the earth

Might give that one a miss..

[DaleP]

There is no need to go botanical.

Negative thoughts are good. It tells you about where you need to work on. Acknowledge and deal with it.

[Mr H]

8 hours ago, DaleP said:

There is no need to go botanical.

Negative thoughts are good. It tells you about where you need to work on. Acknowledge and deal with it.

I completely disagree. 

 

Your true voice in my experience is always loving. Even if you need to take corrective action. It will tell you in a loving and practical way.

 

Negative thoughts, I'm not good enough, worrying about future or past etc. propagates the ego, and has no practical benefits and is usually in my experience based on false information.

[DaleP]

10 hours ago, Mr H said:

I completely disagree. 

 

Your true voice in my experience is always loving. Even if you need to take corrective action. It will tell you in a loving and practical way.

 

Negative thoughts, I'm not good enough, worrying about future or past etc. propagates the ego, and has no practical benefits and is usually in my experience based on false information.

 

I agree. I think you didn't quite get what I said.

It is like pain, pain tells you where things may be wrong, it's useful.

Equally, if you have negative thoughts, it tells you to look inside of you.... deal with it and it's gone. The end result is more true you.

 

[Mr H]

1 hour ago, DaleP said:

 

I agree. I think you didn't quite get what I said.

It is like pain, pain tells you where things may be wrong, it's useful.

Equally, if you have negative thoughts, it tells you to look inside of you.... deal with it and it's gone. The end result is more true you.

 

Totally get you now. Thanks for clarifying. Yes I think the same too.

[Interested]

Thank you for this thread, I find it very interesting.

 

Everything around us is geared to make us feel fear and sadness these days and it's a good thing to think of a few strategies to change that.

 

I feel like there is some blanket mind control going on at the moment. I remember when the jabs were introduced and everyone in my circle of friends and every family member eagerly went to get one, despite me trying to give them some information about what they are really for, I was doing some shopping in the town centre when all of a sudden I had this thought, "Come on, let's go and get the jab" which totally freaked me out. I chided myself for having such a stupid thought and I wonder whether I would have been able to so  easily disregard that thought if I hadn't been aware of what is really going on in this world.

 

Learning to control one's thoughts is a powerful tool, especially as we seem to be in a "They live"-like situation.

 

At the moment described I knew almost instantaneously that that wasn't my own thought. 

Being wide awake is key, I feel.

[Mr H]

4 hours ago, Interested said:

Thank you for this thread, I find it very interesting.

 

Everything around us is geared to make us feel fear and sadness these days and it's a good thing to think of a few strategies to change that.

 

I feel like there is some blanket mind control going on at the moment. I remember when the jabs were introduced and everyone in my circle of friends and every family member eagerly went to get one, despite me trying to give them some information about what they are really for, I was doing some shopping in the town centre when all of a sudden I had this thought, "Come on, let's go and get the jab" which totally freaked me out. I chided myself for having such a stupid thought and I wonder whether I would have been able to so  easily disregard that thought if I hadn't been aware of what is really going on in this world.

 

Learning to control one's thoughts is a powerful tool, especially as we seem to be in a "They live"-like situation.

 

At the moment described I knew almost instantaneously that that wasn't my own thought. 

Being wide awake is key, I feel.

Yes friend.

 

I did not say so far, but maybe good time.

 

The same applies to feelings too. And the same process can be applied. 

 

Does this feeling come from a place of truth, love and understanding? Or somewhere else? If somewhere else, ignore it.

 

I should also point out that when asking the question Does this feeling/thought come from a place of truth, love and understanding? There is still room for things such as anger etc. people shouldn't confuse love and understanding with being passive or ignoring things....

[atenea]

On 3/15/2024 at 5:24 PM, Mr H said:

And as a side note. I have experienced energy vampires doing Ayahuasca. I cannot prove this, but for me it is a very real thing. I literally saw them feeding off me....

I relate.

[atenea]

In order for us not to have 'negative thoughts' from others, we'd have to live in isolation for a while, know ourselves very well.

 

As some of you have pointed, 'negative thoughts' may well be 'toxic positivity', as there seems to be this trend of 'having to be positive all the time', which I find very negative. There isn't greater negativity than denying reality with fake positivity.

 

I have 'friends' in the spiritual community who are healing practitioners... and they are doing more bad than good by trying to make people "think positively" instead of addressing the truths that the majority are trying to run away from.

 

The problem is that most people aren't brave or strong enough to face themselves.

 

And so a colourful bandage may be a quick and pretty, uncompromising solution to cover a bleeding wound.

 

However the wound will always bleed until the root cause is addressed.

[Certified Green of Heart]

On 3/25/2024 at 12:27 AM, Interested said:

Thank you for this thread, I find it very interesting.

 

 

On 3/25/2024 at 12:27 AM, Interested said:

all of a sudden I had this thought, "Come on, let's go and get the jab" which totally freaked me out. I chided myself for having such a stupid thought and I wonder whether I would have been able to so  easily disregard that thought if I hadn't been aware of what is really going on in this world.

 

Sorry to grammar pick, but is this right...

"Chastized" I think is the word where we see you (or AI) write "chided" ? Weirdly my spell check doesn't red underline "chided".

 Maybe it's an alternative word to Chastized then?

 

 

Edited March 31, 2024 by Certified Green of Heart

[RobinJ]

On 3/28/2024 at 4:06 PM, atenea said:

In order for us not to have 'negative thoughts' from others, we'd have to live in isolation for a while, know ourselves very well.

 

As some of you have pointed, 'negative thoughts' may well be 'toxic positivity', as there seems to be this trend of 'having to be positive all the time', which I find very negative. There isn't greater negativity than denying reality with fake positivity.

 

I have 'friends' in the spiritual community who are healing practitioners... and they are doing more bad than good by trying to make people "think positively" instead of addressing the truths that the majority are trying to run away from.

 

The problem is that most people aren't brave or strong enough to face themselves.

 

And so a colourful bandage may be a quick and pretty, uncompromising solution to cover a bleeding wound.

 

However the wound will always bleed until the root cause is addressed.

Yes I too have come across a lot of folks who are holding on to dark issues whilst playing the lets pretend spiritual game

And, I've met many who subscribe to that idiotic book " non violent communication"

All of them I've met are hiding deep psychological issues pasted over with pretend psychology, tying them in knots so as not to be offensive whilst bubbling underneath is a viper pit of unresolved anger issues.