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Imho us humans are naturally tribal and territorial, that's perfectly natural and even necessary, it comes from us being a social species like other primates and we need to come together and support our side. Denying that natural truth leads to civilisational decline such as we can see all around us. 

 

However it does mean there'll be border disputes and conflicts where the tribes rub up next to each other, if they don't have mutually agreed territory. There's a saying that good fences make good neighbours.  But of course there's all sorts of opportunity for bad actors to manipulate people's feelings of safety, security and prosperity of their people at the expense of someone else. We have a similar flashpoint to Kashmir here in the UK with Northern Ireland. It was deliberately populated with people of a different loyalty to the indigenous Irish and now there's a chronic distrust and conflict which only looks likely to be resolved through demographic decline of one side or the other. 

 

It's tragic that both sides get manipulated into fighting and killing each other like puppets; we all need to move our gaze from horizontally at each other, to vertically up the puppet strings to see who's really controlling us. 

There is a problem that any kind of nationalism is described as fascism. The tribalism is absolutely being weaponized. In the context of India almost every group wants it's own territory. I'm not entirely sure why they're doing it. There's "Dalitstan" with the Tamils, there's "Khalistan" with Punjab, there's Kashmir, Assam, Mizoram, the Adivasis etc. There's definitely a divide and rule going on and we don't really have anyone on the Hindu majority side other than the Hindus. The problem is these separatist movements are 'helping out' eachother, even when they're in conflict in this 'the enemy of the enemy is a friend' way. And it causes a lot of violence and ultimately suppression of the Hindu minorities in those regions. And the assumption is that the Hindu majority government is suppressing them, and hence there's continuous excuses for intervention. There's no way to fix the issue other than seeing where the money goes. Depending on how much the PM's hands are tied, there may be a sinister reason for the abrogation of the article. One thing that was mentioned is that the opposition sprung up almost worldwide immediately, almost like they knew it was going to happen before it happened. India would really benefit from more researchers into where the money is coming from over here.

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gujarat is the most communally sensitive area within india, and there have been tons of comparable riots within india apart from that. the main difference is it was a BJP ruled state, hence the opposition made some narratives. the narratives around the gujarat riots got modi banned from the US/UK. however contemporary sources that were after the riots, show what actions modi took. they just have amnesia that they reported it. these are counter evidences to the more important accusations. The main problem is the one-sided narrative is causing a 'justification' for intervention. The calls for intervention are all over the media for each thing modi does. They need to be corrected so that they aren't weaponized.

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20140326131440/http://www.gujaratriots.com/index.php/2009/05/myth-15-narendra-modi-gave-free-hand-to-rioters-for-3-days/

https://web.archive.org/web/20140401012307/http://www.gujaratriots.com/index.php/2008/05/role-of-the-government-in-controlling-violence/

https://web.archive.org/web/20140326124347/http://www.gujaratriots.com/index.php/2010/05/myth-16-a-pregnant-womans-womb-was-ripped-open/

https://web.archive.org/web/20140326124604/http://www.gujaratriots.com/index.php/2008/05/myth-4-the-gujarat-police-turned-a-blind-eye-to-the-rioting/

https://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2014/04/modi-and-media.html?m=0

 

regardless, though the influence of the right has always been far, far, far less in India, I do believe the left-right politics is being used opportunistically for it's own divide rule within India, although to demonize Hindus overall at higher levels, and there's no 'counterbalance' outside India.

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Joe Biden's great grandfather worked for the East India company https://greatgameindia.com/joe-biden-east-india-company/

 

Manmohan Singh's (former PM of India) daughter, Amrita Singh is a human rights lawyer/director for Open Society JI, Soros' organisation

 

Sonia Gandhi the longest-serving president of the Indian National Congress, attended the Members of the Council on Foreign Relations which have these people as the members: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_Council_on_Foreign_Relations. Sonia Gandhi was Co-President. of Soros funded "Forum of Dem. Leaders AsiaPac". 

 

Harsh Mander, Chairman of George Soros’s Open Society Foundation’s Human Rights Initiative Advisory Board, was member of Sonia Gandhi’s National Advisory Council which drafted the Communal Violence Bill under which no Hindu could ever claim to be victim of communal violence and no minority could ever be convicted of communal violence.

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They're doing that smirky deliberate thing that the cult does when they tell you what they're trying to do. Unfortunately this was sponsored by 40+ top universities and 1000 academics.

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9 hours ago, cia said:

They're doing that smirky deliberate thing that the cult does when they tell you what they're trying to do. Unfortunately this was sponsored by 40+ top universities and 1000 academics.

 

It's a mask-off moment and their classic MO. Start by demonising the ethnic group's most ardent and loyal supporters, get the masses to doubt and hate them, then go for the whole group once they're sufficiently demoralised. Divide and rule. Give them an inch and they take a mile. 

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"Hindutva" is more like a scapegoat that is supposed to be synonym to the "alt right" or "fascism"  due to some people selecting one paragraph criticizing the lack of assimilation of Muslims from the entire of the founder's book "Essentials of Hindutva". Essentially any defense of Hinduism, or anything that goes in Hindu's interests nowadays is labelled as "Hindutva" which is a tainted word. The guy who created Hindutva is said to be a 'racist Nazi' because he said that he respected German nationalism more than a decade before the violent treatment of the Jews and far removed from that place on earth of course.

 

Some things that the founder of Hindutva says that contradicts that he was a racist casteist "Nazi" that no one seems to be interested in in the book "Essentials of Hindutva":

 

 "After all there is throughout this world so far as man is concerned but a single race the human race, kept alive by one common blood, the human blood. All other talk is at best provisional, a makeshift and only relatively true. Nature is constantly trying to overthrow the artificial barriers you raise between race and race. To try to prevent the commingling of blood is to build on sand. Sexual attraction has proved more powerful than all the commands of all the prophets put together. Even as it is, not even the aborigines of the Andamans are without some sprinkling of the so-called Aryan blood in their veins and vice-versa. Truly speaking all that one can claim is that one has the blood of all mankind in one's veins. The fundamental unity of man from pole to pole is true, all else only relatively so." (Hindutva, p.90) This is the diametrically opposite of any "pure race" theory. 

 

His mention of Aryan was due to the circulation of the Aryan Invasion Theory and the assumption it was true/scientific. The theory of Dravidians being a separate 'race' and lower castes being a different race was a theory that was popularized by British colonialists at the time. It's still the main theory of the emergence of Hinduism in India today which is used for divide and rule purposes.

 

He advocated for caste intermarriage to promote the oneness of Hindu society which goes against the idea he was an "upper-caste racist".

 

He was a leading figure of the Hindu Mahasabha. They fail to mention that the guy supported equal rights for the minorities. The President of the Bengal Hindu Mahasabha and vice-president of the All-India Hindu Mahasabha, Nirmal Chandra Chatterjee said: "Our main plank is Veer Savarkar's message which he preached at the Calcutta session: 'Equal rights for all citizens and protection of the culture and religion of every minority'."

 

The Hindu Mahasabha's position in March 1942: "In the conflict of ideologies the Hindus have made their position perfectly clear. We hate Nazism and Fascism. We are the enemies of Hitler and Mussolini. We are longing and struggling for our own emancipation and we want to repel any dictator who would try to reduce sections of humanity to slavery to serve the whims of his own megalomania." And in December 1943: "We are wholeheartedly anti-Fascist. Every anti-Imperialist must be anti-Fascist." 

 

Also no one mentions the official doctrine of the BJP, Integral humanism, which is the exact same thing as Gandhian socialism. Of course not one of these people compares Islam to Nazism despite many Muslims at the time of WW2 actually liking Nazism due to not liking the Jews. When Savarkar praised German nationalism at the time of writing he also advocated for a strong Jewish identity. The guy is expected to time travel into the future to know what history would pass and what things will hit what sensibilities in the current era when nationalism has become a dirty word.

 

Hindutva itself is not exactly racist/fascist but it's nationalistic. Generally it's used as an insult, whether something is "Hindutva" or not unfortunatley. And racism nowadays is a word that has a lot of power hence they use the linking of race with caste (not started by Hindus themselves) as a weapon. In fact the powers that be enforce that the North and South or even castes are different biological races (under the guise of pointing out the racist origins of Hinduism in the sense that the "Aryan invaders" avoided mingling with the natives and positioned themselves as upper caste) because they NEED the theory to be popular so they can weaponize race.

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2 hours ago, Campion said:

 

It's a mask-off moment and their classic MO. Start by demonising the ethnic group's most ardent and loyal supporters, get the masses to doubt and hate them, then go for the whole group once they're sufficiently demoralised. Divide and rule. Give them an inch and they take a mile. 

If Hindutva really was what they claimed it to be, this weird racist supremacy, then maybe the focus on it would be understandable (except for the equating with Hinduism). But they maliciously leave out half of the facts/nuance.

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If Hindutva really was what they claimed it to be, this weird racist supremacy, then maybe the focus on it would be understandable (except for the equating with Hinduism). But they maliciously leave out half of the facts/nuance.

 

Yup, gaslighting and strawman arguments all the way. If they control the media and academia like over here, people fall for it and we're fighting an uphill battle. 

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Yup, gaslighting and strawman arguments all the way. If they control the media and academia like over here, people fall for it and we're fighting an uphill battle. 

Their tactic is to get Indians to trust only Western universities because the West is well ahead. These are just top US universities (Harvard, Princeton and the works). The center of the study of Indology is in the United States.  One of the centers of control of the powers that be is apparently Washington so it makes sense. Tons of Indians are supporting them and giving money to them. Any scholar that speaks against them gets ostracized (see Koenraad Elst) or gets stonewalled. We have big 'academics' like the woman who organized the Dismantling Hindutva Conference, who are writing books which will then get referenced by other new academics. They only allow those who support their narrative, which is A LOT since the left wing ecosystem is very strong within India and it supports a narrative that demonizes Hindus, and many still support the left. The point of colonialism was to uproot the native culture and one of the ways was to instill an inferiority complex within the population. According to the left still, every achievement in India came from outside invaders. The brainwashing is that anyone Indian speaking against even militant left wing perspective is some sort of fanatic that can't be trusted. Most cultures have no problem dishing out academic papers about their own culture. Indian studies of Sanskrit are stonewalled similarly. The left doesn't really care about neo-colonialism since no one really cares about what's happening here, in fact many of the Western left when talking about "Hindutva" defend colonialism, it's all opportunistic including the immigration they're encouraging in the West under the guise of being about 'multi culturalism'. They just want to dilute the culture on top of encouraging infighting between militant identities so that they can easily impose what they want. Either Indians unite and start defending themselves against the one-sided narrative, or they're absolutely going to be in trouble. There are tons of Indians identities that are being created to create divided loyalties and make them antagonistic towards Hinduism. Even Sikhs nowadays demonize Hindus due to the continuous left-wing narratives. And the left wing and the passive/peacemaker Hindus who don't want trouble and think ignoring it will make them fade away instead of fighting against the one-sided information actually big issues. 

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An example of the US being the center of Indology is that the Head of Indology at Harvard Sheldon Pollock who theorizes that Brahminism inspired Nazi Germany, because Hitler thought India was his homeland. Only a select few Indian left wing Hindu scholars and non-Hindus are allowed to contribute to his discussion, so the people in India are always involved, and any academics in India are scrutinized by his standards.

 

Recently due to books like this being sent to 100 US CEOs, a new law against caste discrimination is popping up outside of India. Which is undoubtedly going to be misused. This will shame Hindus and make it easier to stop identifying as one. There was a protest against new laws against caste discrimination in US/Europe and many thought the protest was by some extremist group because they wanted to practise the caste system without consequences or it was part of 'scripture', but it was because Hindus have zero say in their own culture due to the crooked monopoly of academics, and the focus on the caste system is a result of weaponizing it. Most HIndus born outside India are not even aware of their own caste, and many Hindus in Indian cities can go without knowing what caste they are in. There was a pre-caste Hinduism at some point, then it became rigid and casteist, so caste isn't an intrinsic part of Hinduism either. The Vedas (the most 'authoritative' Hindu scriptures talk about Varna, not caste. There are Hindus living abroad who have eliminated the significance that people give to caste, not only that it has been outlawed in India since independence.

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About another thing, cow vigilantism:

 

Lynching is a crime and must be condemned. Mob justice should not have any place. However mob violence is a common thing in rural India that happens to targets of all religions/genders/whatever based on accusations especially when the police won't help. In rural India, animal husbandry is one of the primary occupations of people, along with agriculture. For millions of Indians, cow and buffalo breeding and selling products such as milk is their primary source of income. Cattle smuggling is a problem where smugglers steal cows for slaughter. In India, most slaughterhouses are halal slaughterhouses, which means most butchers are Muslims; subsequently, cattle thieves also tend to be Muslims. The initial report usually outlines that the target was suspected of 'cattle smuggling', which is ignored.  There have been reports where Bangladeshi cow smugglers have tied explosives to the neck of cows and thrown them in the river to discourage the BSF from intercepting. In many other instances it gets violent. Anyway...Protesting against illegal cow slaughter becomes a ‘Hindutva agenda’ but protesting at India Gate against the dog meat festival becomes activism. And about the idea of it being endemic, in a population of 1.32 billion where 80 percent of people are Hindu, SINCE 2010 to the present day, there have been a total of 82 incidents of these lynchings. Lynching is bad...but the number clearly shows that it is highly unlikely due to ideological reasons otherwise it would be more common.

 

There was also this claim that 97% of cow-related violence happened after Modi was elected. The organization (IndiaSpend) that came up with this percentage by doing google searches in English media...and guess what? The English media started politicizing this since Modi was elected. So hence why it seems so. Only 1/10 of the top media outlets in India are in English. Huh. And that number is literally circulated in all the international platforms.

 

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The accusations of "Hindutva" were still there far before Modi got elected. And Modi is perhaps more harmless than all the 'right wing' parties in Europe. He's started giving subsidies to the Muslim communities since 2014.

 

The perception of oppression is partly an issue with double standards. The majority Hindu are expected to be liberal whereas there Muslims are allowed to be aggressively right-wing in their rhetoric. Muslim politics is extremely right-wing since forever and they actively suppress any liberal Muslims. Muslims keep flinging insults at Hinduism without consequences, but when someone slightly returns an insult, you get huge national and international backlash. This breeds some contempt and a desire for hindus to become equally radical right-wing to restore a sense of fairness and dignity. There wont be any progress until progressive Muslims succeed as leaders.

 

When Nupur Sharma said something against the prophet, the Gulf countries went crazy and demanded she get arrested. Not to mention the amount of death threats she got. There even was a guy in India who made a positive social media post about her, and he got killed. She was then suspended from the BJP, and although they’re legally free to suspend anyone from their political party, it does seem like they were trying to appease Muslims by suspending her despite the fact that she simply spoke her mind and even said the truth about the prophet as it is written in the Quran.

 

"Oppression" has become a very powerful political term. Anyone can shout being oppressed and others are made to feel guilty. There are oppressed people in all communities. When one community claims being oppressed, another community pulls them from behind and says, "We are already there ahead of you. Stand back in the line". Everyone can cry of victimhood. However, whose cry gets the most attention is the critical factor. 

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Satyam was in the news last year when he defiantly picked up a Tricolour off the ground during an attack on the Indian High Commission in the United Kingdom by Khalistani elements. Then obviously guy got labelled a fascist and harassed at university

 

 

Satyam stated that the point in the episode that hurts him the most is the fact that the majority of people who carried out the hate campaign against him were actually Indians only.

 

Satyam stated that the the majority of people who carried out the hate campaign against him were actually Indians.

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Interestingly, even Koenraad Elst (scholar who was ostracized for not agreeing with the crooks in academia) realizes that the Modi government is just using his "Hinduness" for votes, but is doing nothing at all for Hindus, and is in fact to some extent still appeasing Muslims. Even he realizes they're both on the same side

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Interestingly, even Koenraad Elst (scholar who was ostracized for not agreeing with the crooks in academia) realizes that the Modi government is just using his "Hinduness" for votes, but is doing nothing at all for Hindus, and is in fact to some extent still appeasing Muslims. Even he realizes they're both on the same side

 

Thanks cia. And can I hazard a guess that those academics aren't using their critical theory to apply the same logic to the Pakistani religious-political scene? 

If so (and it's certainly the case over here in western Europe), it's worth looking into why Muslims are portrayed as the darlings of the left. One theory I have is because Islam is a universalist religion, like Catholicism, which is more amenable to racial and ethnic mixing than folkish religions like Hinduism, and therefore more amenable to a globalist world order. 

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Thanks cia. And can I hazard a guess that those academics aren't using their critical theory to apply the same logic to the Pakistani religious-political scene? 

If so (and it's certainly the case over here in western Europe), it's worth looking into why Muslims are portrayed as the darlings of the left. One theory I have is because Islam is a universalist religion, like Catholicism, which is more amenable to racial and ethnic mixing than folkish religions like Hinduism, and therefore more amenable to a globalist world order. 

It theoretically would be possibly that Muslims are given special treatment due to them being demonized (because it can have consequences to be always portrayed in a negative light even if the news is true), but the propaganda I see against Hindus is vile to the point it's obvious that they're trying to create xenophobia towards Hindus through the media. I wonder if one reason is that Indians really care what the world thinks of them, and seeing themselves portrayed negative on an international platform will cause them to bend more. Else Hindus abroad will convert easier due to social pressure by ignorant or opportunistic left wing bandwagon jumpers who will shut down any defense or free speech against the one-sided narratives about Hinduism/their country, so they'll have to just accept it. Yeah several of the academics are part of organizations that support Pakistan. They obviously know that we've got a lot of information that fits our narrative, including well the centuries of violence under Mughal rule, so it's framed as "how Hindu nationalists are using history to further their agenda."  "Sometimes Hindu extremists falsely accuse the Mughals of committing a genocide." Personally, maybe it wasn't a 'proper' genocide but they did kill thousands on thousands of people for not converting to Islam. So we have these people calling anything that they don't like a "myth" or spreading lies in these big newspapers such as Time, CNN, The Guardian etc.

 

Yeah, Islam wants the whole world to be Muslim. Hindus aren't interested in converting and spreading for the sake of spreading and it's more like culture of the Indian subcontinent that has been religionized by those who saw Indians as "not Muslim" or "not Christian". They want to get rid of the 'distinctness'  of each culture and Indian culture is related to Hinduism, hence even things that are not particularly Hindu such as "saris" are seen as some sort of "Hindu nationalist threat". Even Ayurveda is 'fascist' and related to cow vigilantism or some crap, probably because they don't want anyone benefitting from alternative medications. Everything has to be vetted by their Big Pharma.

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Nupur Sharma was suspended from the BJP. On 27 May 2022, Sharma participated in a debate on the Gyanvapi Mosque dispute on the Times Now television channel. According to Sharma, in response to remarks perceived to be derogatory to Hindu god Shiva by her opposition speaker and by many Muslim personalities on social media, she replied regarding Muhammad and the age of one of his wives, Aisha, noting that Aisha was 6-years-old when married, and 9 when the marriage was consummated. However, she was merely quoting from the hadith.

 

On Friday, the Supreme Court said that "her loose tongue has set the entire country on fire" and blamed her for "igniting emotions across the country".

 

The judges also observed that "her outburst is responsible for the unfortunate incident at Udaipur" - a reference to the beheading three days back by two Muslim men of a Hindu tailor who had supported Ms Sharma on social media platforms. (Nice, so how does this explain the most recent beheading of two Hindu children, are they still butthurt about that?). On the other hand there was some other left wing leader who said that "Hinduism is like malaria. It should be wiped out." The Supreme Court said it was nothing.

 

On June 3, hundreds of Muslims protested the remarks in Kanpur after Friday prayers. Hayat Zafar Hashmi, chief of Maulana Mohammed Ali (MMA) Jauhar Fans Association called for a bandh (shutdown) of local shops in protest of comments from Sharma. They also planned to take out a procession. They forced the local shops to shut down at parade market after which the clash broke out between the business community and the protesters. The clashes occurred at Nai Sadak, Yateemkana and Parade area of Kanpur. During the clashes, the groups threw bombs and stones on each other. On 13 June, Saad Ansari, a Muslim youth was assaulted by a Muslim mob in Bhiwandi, Thane over a social media post allegedly supporting Nupur Sharma. In his Instagram, Ansari had written, "A 50-year-old man marrying a 6-9-year-old girl is clearly child abuse. People do not know how to support him. Would you give your 6-year-old daughter to a 50-year-old man (think about it.)". Ansari was later arrested by the police for his post.

 

Following protests from several Islamic nations, including the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Iran, over her controversial remarks, the BJP suspended Ms Sharma from the party last month. The head of the party's Delhi media unit, Naveen Kumar Jindal, was also expelled for sharing a screenshot of her offensive comment in a tweet.

 

The two founders of the BJP died under suspicious circumstances (Possible takeover)

 

Joe Biden's great grandfather worked for the East India company https://greatgameindia.com/joe-biden-east-india-company/

 

Manmohan Singh's (former PM of India) daughter, Amrita Singh is a human rights lawyer/director for Soros' Open Society Justice Intitiative

 

Sonia Gandhi the longest-serving president of the Indian National Congress, was Co-President of the Soros funded "Forum of Democratic Leaders in the Asia-Pacific". She attended the Members of the Council on Foreign Relations which have these people as the members: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_Council_on_Foreign_Relations

 

“Sonia told me that she was under great pressure from various quarters, including the Americans, to not appoint me as External Affairs Minister. And the pressure came from the highest quarters. And I have also mentioned this in my book, that till the last moment, the American lobby had allegedly tried to derail my appointment." - Natwar Singh. He also alleged that that Washington tried its best to stop Pranab Mukherjee from becoming the finance minister in the Manmohan Singh govt.

 

Harsh Mander, Chairman of George Soros’s Open Society Foundation’s Human Rights Initiative Advisory Board, was member of Sonia Gandhi’s National Advisory Council which drafted the Communal Violence Bill under which no Hindu could ever claim to be victim of communal violence and no minority could ever be convicted of communal violence.

 

Harsh Mander is also part of the Ara Pacis intiative which is an arm of the Italian government: “The Ara Pacis Initiative was inaugurated on April 21, 2010, by the Mayor of Rome, with the High Patronage of the President of the Republic of Italy and under the auspices of the Office of the Prime Minister of Italy and the Italian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.” It further states, “The Latin inscription on the south side of the Monument is the political and philosophical testament of Caesar Augustus, who after having “conquered” peace in the “known world” with weapons, bestows the peace on the people, entrusting them with its safekeeping and encouraging them to believe in the possibility of enduring peace.”

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There's some rumours that Gandhi was a "colonial spy"

 

His so called ‘non violence’ crippled contemporary revolution and he always became a barrier in front of real freedom fighters like Bhagat Singh and Netaji Subhas Bose.

 

He always tried to stop freedom fighters like Bhagat Singh and Netaji acting. e.g he stopped Netaji from becoming Congress president in 1939 even after he won the election by a huge margin.

 

In 1922 when the non-cooperation movement took pace and pose some real threat to British he withdrew that movement with some petty excuse.

 

When Bhagat Singh's popularity was surpassing his popularity, MK Gandhi tried to divert mass attention with an overrated movement called the Dandi March. When the whole of India started a revolt with Bhagat Singh and demanded for “Urna Swaraj”, Gandhi to divert the attention to a petty issue of salt tax which definitely helped British to suppress the real movement called by Bhagat Singh.

 

He was asking for dominion status which is equally bad as British Raj where few British would be replaced by brown sahibs and a puppet Indian government.

 

British always seemed to love him and tend to give everything Gandhi wanted (i.e fame, popularity, ‘Mahatma’ status through the media, sponsored his ashrams monetarily through then Indian industrialists) 

 

So, we can say both had kind of unwritten mutual agreement to serve interests of each other.

 

  1. If Gandhi believed in non violence, then why did he urged Indians to fight and give life for the British for both world wars?
  2. Why did he promote petty issues like salt tax when people of India were asking for Purna swaraj with Bhagat Singh?
  3. If Gandhi was a real threat for British, why did the British did not try to suppress him? Like they did to Bhagat Singh, Chandrasekhar Azad, Surya Sen or Netaji. British could have easily stop his funding and closed his Ashrams. But instead why they give front page coverage for him. Why did they not stop his Dandi march by force? Gandhi seems to be only “freedom fighter” who never faced any challenge from British.
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Found this pic. Mostly thinking about the second red part. I mean to get people to go with what you want you have to sell it a certain way and it won't be with "WE NEED TO GET RID OF ALL YOUR CULTURE NOW FALL IN LINE". It's achieved by showing their agenda as 'oneness' and 'togetherness'. I believe that they have a point in their justifications, otherwise they wouldn't be able to get away with it. A perceived racial hierarchy does exist, so yeah some of the anti-immigration sentiment is mixed up with pre-existing racism towards the group immigrating. The hierarchy is due to to the attempted Western-centricness of the current world order, with the narratives and brainwashing of Western colonialism causing certain groups to be ashamed and contemptuous of their own culture and race, therefore causing their culture to start erasing itself from the inside and become more Westernized. It worked far better than the violence of the Islamic invasions did because one erases the culture themselves and keeps repeating the narratives without knowing they're doing it. It makes it much much more difficult to take a stand. For example it is true that lower caste Hindus were invited to convert to Islam/Christianity to get out of their caste (although it didn't help since the caste system is now in all religions in India) so they have a justification in the splitting of lower castes from the upper castes. Racism does exist from the North Indians to the South Indians, so it's difficult to say that the South Indians are overdoing it when they move away from the North.

 

The irony is the elite are supporting BOTH sides in the Indian context. They want South Indians to feel inferior but 'morally superior' and North Indians to feel superior but at the same time portray them as the villain. So human ills are absolutely used against us. Hence why it's important to see the end destination so we can look at the common enemy. What they do is create a hierarchy (like the colonizers did by criminalizing some castes, and taxing lower castes higher and the apartheid in Africa) to cause competitiveness and blaming and inferiority complexes and divide and rule. Black and Indian conflicts in Africa are common due to resentment from black people towards Indians for being slightly higher in the hierarchy and being successful. The current narratives are doubly psychologically damaging in India where the inferiority complex and 'colonization of the mind' is now followed by continuous dehumanization in the media and a very aggressive break down of the culture under the guise of being progressive with the exact same shaming as in the West. So they're using the inferiority complex against Indians. This causes much more desperation and confused overcompensation in the backlash which then gets plugged into the 'fanatic' narrative of Indians.

 

Islamic cultures are allowed to have an entire Islamic country despite the negatives and despite the 'imperial' history. There are both positive and negative things about British and Indian cultures and all cultures but that doesn't mean one should throw out the baby with the bathwater and it's not like the cultures moving in are necessarily much better. Furthermore the current people can condemn colonialism or colonialist narratives while pressing that they are not the same people who did the deeds. In fact much of the 'barbarism' of the colonized societies are actually from either Islamic or Christian invasions.

 

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Both CAA and Abrogation of article 370 make the identities living within the country easier to monitor, possibly. And of course tons of violent protests by Muslims results after each law gets passed, which creates a volcano ready to explode

 

What sucks is while they're weaponizing colonialism against the UK/other Western countries, they're weaponizing it in the opposite way in India, using the colonial era narratives to demonize the Hindus further while denying the impact of colonialism when it comes to narratives about Hinduism

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But wasn't India the victim of Islamic colonialism before the Dutch and British got there (Mughal empire) ?   Does their colonialist narrative become two faced when describing them? At least the British empire didn't result in such a large demographic religious upheaval that divided the Indian people. 

 

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But wasn't India the victim of Islamic colonialism before the Dutch and British got there (Mughal empire) ?   Does their colonialist narrative become two faced when describing them? At least the British empire didn't result in such a large demographic religious upheaval that divided the Indian people. 

 

Yes, they're completely whitewashing the brutality of the Mughal rule and denying it. Even if they do acknowledge it, they use the Aryan invasion theory (which has no proof, genuinely) to show that Hinduism itself came from outside so we have no right to talk about it. There's tons of scholars who write how the Islamic occupation "wasn't wasn't that bad", I mean it was horrific. There are endless records of Islamists boasting about killing swathes of Hindus and slicing them into bits, skinning them, beheading them on top of demolished temples. As an example of "denial" I've seen in many of the Western newspapers they call the Mughal rule some sort of Hindu nationalist conspiracy theory, or pathologize even using it as an argument against the constant one-sided demonization of Hindus in India. I'll just put what Koenraad elst said here in his blurb "negationism in india". He wrote a whole book about it

 

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Negationism in Europe usually means the denial of the Nazi genocide on the Jews and Gypsies in World War 2. Less well-known is that India has its own brand of negationism. A section of the Indian intelligentsia is trying to erase from the Hindus’ memory the history of their persecution by the swordsmen of Islam. The number of victims of this persecution matches that of the Nazi crimes. The Islamic campaign to wipe out Paganism could not be equally thorough, but it has continued for centuries, without any moral doubts arising in the minds of the persecutors and their chroniclers. The Islamic reports on the massacres of Hindus, the abduction of Hindu women and children to slave-markets, the destruction of temples and the forced conversions, invariably express great glee and pride. They leave no doubt that the destruction of Paganism by every means was considered the God-ordained duty of the Muslim community. Yet, today many Indian historians, journalists and politicians deny that there ever was a Hindu-Muslim conflict. They shamelessly rewrite history and conjure up “centuries of Hindu-Muslim amity”, and a growing section of the public in India and in the West only knows their negationist version of history. It is not a pleasant task to rudely shake people out of their delusions, especially if these have been wilfully created, but this essay does just that.

 

You can actually find the book here: https://archive.org/details/negationism-in-india-concealing-the-record-of-islam There are like two foreign scholars who are aware of the complex dynamics going on in India, hence I'm continually quoting this guy

 

The British rule was not remotely as violent as the Mughal rule. Most of the divisions caused under the British was actually caused by Christian missionary agendas. The difference is Hindus have a self-sabotaging inferiority complex and 'mental' colonization about Hinduism from the Brits (well Christian missionairies actually) while Hindus just feared Muslims. People could ask why the Muslims aren't scorned since the Ottoman empire did much more damage than the European empires, but obviously that would get one called all kinds of names. Hindus have been lumped with white people as oppressors, hence words like "ultra-nationalist", "supremacist" and "fascist" can be used at the drop of a hat. This isn't much the case for any other non-white group. Hence there's a 'balancing act' with using colonialism against the West when it suits them without sabotaging their agenda in India. When it comes to specifics of the Christian missionary hand in the discourse around Hinduism that is still being used to demonize Hindus in India, for example things like sati (which was actually extremely extremely rare), caste, the Aryan invasion theory, they make sure people don't think about it. 

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