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Most people don't give a crap about Hindus, or don't think they're extremists, because they're not causing problems on a ground level in foreign countries, but there's an agenda to demonize them in the media/academia. And a growing discussion among left-wingers in the US which demonizes Hindus.

There was a conference with 40+ universities called "Dismantling Global Hindutva". Many of the organizers of the conference were CIA-affiliated.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/pmn1om/at_dismantling_global_hindutvaif_you_subscribe_to/

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/po5n4i/more_at_dismantling_hindutvahindutva_is_in_fact/

 

The indology academics kept gaslighting us that the continuous negative and one-sided coverage on Hindus was just against Hindu extremism, but here is what was said within the conference. 

It's possible the reason there is an agenda is because India has the largest population, and therefore tempering them and destabilizing them gives them a lot of bang for their buck so to speak.

It's possible the reason there is an agenda against Hindus is because India has the largest population, and therefore tempering them and destabilizing them gives them a lot of bang for their buck so to speak. And there was attempts to convert Hindus to Islam and then Christianity throughout history, but it was unsuccessful so now it's more covert.

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The illuminati agenda is very advanced in the Western nations and China so it's no surprise that they're moving on to other countries like India, if they weren't there already but now starting to go mask-off. I guess Hindu nationalism just isn't diverse and multicultural enough for the ptb. They're dividing us up and picking us off one by one, and us westerners are too weakened and busy dealing with our own decline to be of much assistance unfortunately.  Though goodness knows we need some international solidarity. The Indians were vaccinated against sympathy for the British because of the history of empire, and now here we are with India needing some support. It's a flip side of the Stockholm syndrome we're in where the victims oppose each other instead of the real criminals. 

 

And welcome to the forum @cia  🙂 

 

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It's possible the reason there is an agenda is because India has the largest population, and therefore tempering them and destabilizing them gives them a lot of bang for their buck so to speak.

 

Their goal is to break down all existing structures so that they can emerge at the top as the only group in control of a world government

 

hinduism provides a cohesive religious and cultural rallying point for indians and is inseparable from the history of india as a nation. Therefore the cabal will see it as a potential barrier to their global control and a possible rival in their bid for total control of the indian people

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The illuminati agenda is very advanced in the Western nations and China so it's no surprise that they're moving on to other countries like India, if they weren't there already but now starting to go mask-off. I guess Hindu nationalism just isn't diverse and multicultural enough for the ptb. They're dividing us up and picking us off one by one, and us westerners are too weakened and busy dealing with our own decline to be of much assistance unfortunately.  Though goodness knows we need some international solidarity. The Indians were vaccinated against sympathy for the British because of the history of empire, and now here we are with India needing some support. It's a flip side of the Stockholm syndrome we're in where the victims oppose each other instead of the real criminals. 

 

And welcome to the forum @cia  🙂 

 

Thanks, bro. In India, this particular type of propaganda has been going on since the formation of the country, but it's gone under the radar outside India, probably cos there hasn't been any insane wars or anything so far. India's being covertly controlled from the outside. There is something in Hinduism in India that the powers that be don't like. Outside India most don't understand how militant the left has been in India. It's the self-deprecating left that you can find in the West, but in a post-colonial country, hence any attempt to counter narratives about us in the media or academia has always been portrayed as 'fascist' or 'nationalist' by the Indian left. So the left doesn't like any correction of the colonial narratives either, which I believe were largely shaped by the agenda to convert Hindus to Christianity/Islam/whatever. The study of Indology is being shaped outside of India and gatekeeped out of 'left wing concern', with anyone who counters it since being called fascist/nationalist in a negative sense since independence. The Harvard South Asian studies is basically monopolizing the narrative that portrays Hindus as inherently fascist and the cause of Nazism itself and big left-wing names in India tied to it. Naryan Murthy (who is CIA-affiliated) and a lot of Indian billionaires are funding the South Asian studies in Harvard. He also funds many of the left wing newspapers within India. Apart from that The Mughal rule is propped up as beneficial, while none of the ancient indigenous South Indian history is talked about in our textbooks, despite the continuous pretense of wanting to protect the South Indians as they are the 'black people of India'. The Aryan invasion theory which spawned during colonialism is being used to convert the South Indians to Christianity, because it portrays Hinduism as an outside force that was used to oppress the indigenous people (dark skinned), though there is tons of evidence that the spread of Hinduism force being oppressive isn't true. However the "academics" literally go low and spout "facist/nationalist" if someone counters the specifics of the Aryan invasion theory. Literally. No one talks about the founder of the Aryan invasion theory (Max Muller), who was a very vehement Christian missionary who said some very questionable things about converting all Hindus using the very theories he brought about. Including the racialization of the caste system with white=Brahmin and black=Dalit which is being used to divide and rule Indians today too.

 

They're equating Hindus with white people/white nationalism, the easiest way narratives they're pushing about Hinduism can't be questioned. This is one article by a non-Indian that has talked about it.

 

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/09/27/when-are-we-going-to-talk-about-hinduphobia/

 

The left wing party during the 60 years it ruled would demonize the Hindu majority, while the entire media, Bollywood and academia in India would prop up Muslims at the expense of Hindus, and like i said there would be extreme contempt towards any display of nationalism or defense of a negative report on Indians, even if it was factually incorrect, exaggerated or unnuanced. Christian missionaries have teamed up with Muslims. Basically anything against the official narratives is automatically "Nazi". While minorities in India do need some protection due to being a minority, those who want Islam to spread in India are using it for their own agenda, hence why it goes extreme. I dunno if there's any other post colonial country that has the Western model on steroids in their country. 

 

When it comes to caste there is 0 nuance, except 'it is one of the oldest systems of oppression in the world'. Nowadays there are Indology academics saying 'Hindutva is the oldest far-right movement in the world' due to caste. Or that it is the sole cause of Nazism due to the Brits getting the idea of race from the caste system. The existence of caste, though awful, is being used to demonize the Hindus and make them convert.  It doesn't seem to be mainstream knowledge (in India) about how Mughals/the British used caste as administration tools, which included labelling some groups as criminal castes and not allowing lower castes freedom of movement to interact with other castes. Even right wing Indians I know shut down the evidence of the laws. If one talks about this then they're labelled as playing victim or shut down by the left though this is pretty important if Hindus are being singled out as a particularly oppressive group due to this. Despite all the 'colonial guilt' its interesting that these things are left out of the mainstream discussion in the media. There's clearly an agenda against Hindus, which sees it counterproductive to portray them as 'oppressed' or a 'victim of colonialism'...unlike other "non-white" groups. Though "Winston churchill is bad" and "Brits took stole money" is widely accepted, that the colonialists were Christian missionaries and that their assertions about Hindus could be biased no one talks about. Because the real agenda was to convert Hindus into Christians and get rid of the native culture (Which is literally Hinduism and Hindu-derived culture) to make them an easy blank canvas for NWO. They managed to destroy the native African religions so theyre mostly chill with them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India

 

 

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Thanks, bro. In India, this particular type of propaganda has been going on since the formation of the country, but it's gone under the radar outside India, probably cos there hasn't been any insane wars or anything so far. India's being covertly controlled from the outside. There is something in Hinduism in India that the powers that be don't like. Outside India most don't understand how militant the left has been in India. It's the self-deprecating left that you can find in the West, but in a post-colonial country, hence any attempt to counter narratives about us in the media or academia has always been portrayed as 'fascist' or 'nationalist' by the Indian left. So the left doesn't like any correction of the colonial narratives either, which I believe were largely shaped by the agenda to convert Hindus to Christianity/Islam/whatever. The study of Indology is being shaped outside of India and gatekeeped out of 'left wing concern', with anyone who counters it since being called fascist/nationalist in a negative sense since independence. The Harvard South Asian studies is basically monopolizing the narrative that portrays Hindus as inherently fascist and the cause of Nazism itself and big left-wing names in India tied to it. Naryan Murthy (who is CIA-affiliated) and a lot of Indian billionaires are funding the South Asian studies in Harvard. He also funds many of the left wing newspapers within India. Apart from that The Mughal rule is propped up as beneficial, while none of the ancient indigenous South Indian history is talked about in our textbooks, despite the continuous pretense of wanting to protect the South Indians as they are the 'black people of India'. The Aryan invasion theory which spawned during colonialism is being used to convert the South Indians to Christianity, because it portrays Hinduism as an outside force that was used to oppress the indigenous people (dark skinned), though there is tons of evidence that the spread of Hinduism force being oppressive isn't true. However the "academics" literally go low and spout "facist/nationalist" if someone counters the specifics of the Aryan invasion theory. Literally. No one talks about the founder of the Aryan invasion theory (Max Muller), who was a very vehement Christian missionary who said some very questionable things about converting all Hindus using the very theories he brought about. Including the racialization of the caste system with white=Brahmin and black=Dalit which is being used to divide and rule Indians today too.

 

They're equating Hindus with white people/white nationalism, the easiest way narratives they're pushing about Hinduism can't be questioned. This is one article by a non-Indian that has talked about it.

 

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/09/27/when-are-we-going-to-talk-about-hinduphobia/

 

The left wing party during the 60 years it ruled would demonize the Hindu majority, while the entire media, Bollywood and academia in India would prop up Muslims at the expense of Hindus, and like i said there would be extreme contempt towards any display of nationalism or defense of a negative report on Indians, even if it was factually incorrect, exaggerated or unnuanced. Christian missionaries have teamed up with Muslims. Basically anything against the official narratives is automatically "Nazi". While minorities in India do need some protection due to being a minority, those who want Islam to spread in India are using it for their own agenda, hence why it goes extreme. I dunno if there's any other post colonial country that has the Western model on steroids in their country. 

 

When it comes to caste there is 0 nuance, except 'it is one of the oldest systems of oppression in the world'. Nowadays there are Indology academics saying 'Hindutva is the oldest far-right movement in the world' due to caste. Or that it is the sole cause of Nazism due to the Brits getting the idea of race from the caste system. The existence of caste, though awful, is being used to demonize the Hindus and make them convert.  It doesn't seem to be mainstream knowledge (in India) about how Mughals/the British used caste as administration tools, which included labelling some groups as criminal castes and not allowing lower castes freedom of movement to interact with other castes. Even right wing Indians I know shut down the evidence of the laws. If one talks about this then they're labelled as playing victim or shut down by the left though this is pretty important if Hindus are being singled out as a particularly oppressive group due to this. Despite all the 'colonial guilt' its interesting that these things are left out of the mainstream discussion in the media. There's clearly an agenda against Hindus, which sees it counterproductive to portray them as 'oppressed' or a 'victim of colonialism'...unlike other "non-white" groups. Though "Winston churchill is bad" and "Brits took stole money" is widely accepted, that the colonialists were Christian missionaries and that their assertions about Hindus could be biased no one talks about. Because the real agenda was to convert Hindus into Christians and get rid of the native culture (Which is literally Hinduism and Hindu-derived culture) to make them an easy blank canvas for NWO. They managed to destroy the native African religions so theyre mostly chill with them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India 

 

Oh man, I feel your pain because it all sounds horribly familiar to what we're going through, just with some tweaking of the terminology. Where you have things like the caste system and Hindu majority culture weaponised against you, we have patriarchy, white privilege, the British empire and other such critical theory narratives designed to demoralise and guilt-trip us into surrender. We're living in a kind of liberal dictatorship where dissent is rapidly becoming criminalised. 

 

On the positive side India's fertility rate is just about keeping on replacement level, I would encourage you to keep going with the traditional large family and avoid the disaster we are experiencing of ethnic erasure. The capitalist industrial revolution carries a massive risk of young people becoming materialist and career focused to the detriment of family. I think religion can play a big role in sustaining our respective civilisations which is why it's always one of the first things to be targeted by the illuminati. 

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Oh man, I feel your pain because it all sounds horribly familiar to what we're going through, just with some tweaking of the terminology. Where you have things like the caste system and Hindu majority culture weaponised against you, we have patriarchy, white privilege, the British empire and other such critical theory narratives designed to demoralise and guilt-trip us into surrender. We're living in a kind of liberal dictatorship where dissent is rapidly becoming criminalised. 

 

On the positive side India's fertility rate is just about keeping on replacement level, I would encourage you to keep going with the traditional large family and avoid the disaster we are experiencing of ethnic erasure. The capitalist industrial revolution carries a massive risk of young people becoming materialist and career focused to the detriment of family. I think religion can play a big role in sustaining our respective civilisations which is why it's always one of the first things to be targeted by the illuminati. 

Yeah, I think it's continuous 'intellectual' reasoning for why the native culture shouldn't exist, one sided demonization, and guilt-tripping that ultimately leads to the accumulated distortion of the representation of the culture and erasure of the dominant culture but you can't do anything about it because you don't want to demonize any minority who is being used for the agenda (or get labelled as fascist). There's always some level of truth in it, like well, the caste system still is bad in a lot of areas of India, but the one-sided narratives, political correctness and affirmative/positive discrimination is taken to the extreme to the point it becomes negative discrimination. The BJP is being portrayed worldwide as this ultra fascist group, but the worst they're doing is building Hindu temples, and it's getting annoying tbh. When it comes to helping Hindus who have faced insitutional levels of violence by the left wing parties, they reject all pleas. I assume because they're on the same side as the left wing party.

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There is a large Christian network that is being funded to convert Hindus. Missionaries are being funded by other political forces to encourage South Indians to see them as separate from India and associated with dalits, and Hinduism as oppressive towards them. They try to align "Tamil" culture with Christianity. They use colonial divide and rule fault lines with the current day population. This info is sourced from the book "Breaking India" by Rajiv Malhotra. So all the hard work is his. He isn't a conspiracy theorist, but he considers these as divisive forces by the West meant to destabilize India, so he unravels part of the spiderweb. This is an extremely small part of the entire history he laid out:

 

The Dalit Freedom Network, based in Colorado, USA, is an example of a West-run organization that professes to champion Indian Dalit emancipation through policy advocacy in the power centers of the USA. It describes its mission as, ‘to follow the command of Jesus Christ who called us to be “the salt of the earth” and “the light of the world”’. It was founded in 2002 by Dr Joseph D’souza, head of the All India Christian Council along with Nanci Ricks, a former missionary. Its Christian agenda is explicit in the affiliations of its well-connected executives. A close look at this list of directors reveals some of these links.

 

One of its directors is a former top staffer of right-wing US congressman, Trent Franks. Another is a vice president of the Moody Bible Institute, which the Encyclopedia of Christianity calls ‘the flagship of interdenominational fundamentalism in the twentieth century’. Two directors are from OM (Operation Mobilization), a US-based ‘international Christian mission agency with over 5,400 workers in more than 110 countries and onboard two ocean-going ships’. Another is the lead singer of Cademon’s Call, a Christian rock group whose lyrics demonize India using Biblical imagery. For instance, its ‘Mother India’ song refers to the serpent in the Bible’s Garden of Eden as the cause for India’s suffering, and goes as follows:

 

"Father God, you have shed your tears for Mother India. Your Spirit falls on India and captured me in Your embrace. The Serpent spoke and the world believed its venom. . . . Father, forgive me, for I have not believed. Like Mother India, I have groaned and grieved"

 

Among the Advisory Board Members of DFN are:

 

- William Armstrong, a former Republican senator who is now with Colorado Christian University, which regularly sends evangelical teams to India. 
 

- Thomas McCallie, representing Maclellan Foundation, which describes itself as a ‘Christian education charitable trust’, and funds the USA’s foremost institute for creationism in opposition to science. 
 

- George Miley, International President of Antioch Network, an organization rooted in ‘North American Evangelical stream of Christianity’, which adopted the pro-missionary Lausanne Covenant as their ‘Statement of Faith’. 

 

John Gilman, head of Dayspring International, which describes its goal in India very directly:


"The worship of a hundred million gods will disappear. Idolatry will be cast down. But what will replace it? National Dalit leaders plead to the Church in India, saying, ‘Come and tell us about your Jesus. Teach us your scriptures.’ They believe this is the only hope for India, a nation that could be on the brink of a bloody civil war – or on the brink of an outpouring of the Holy Spirit unlike any in history. There has never been a better soul-winning opportunity than right now in the nation of India"

https://lausanneworldpulse.com/perspectives. php/470/09-2006?pg=all

 

Benjamin Marsh is in charge of DFN’s liaison with the US State Department. He frequently speaks on behalf of DFN at churches and conferences across the US. He worked closely with Western academicians in the California textbook controversy, where he was admitted into a group designated as south Asian academician while in fact he is a political evangelist. In this group, DFN was introduced as ‘a real mover and shaker in Washington on behalf of the Dalit movement’. Marsh accused the north American Hindus for opposing DFN’s lobbying effort that wants the US congress to ‘deal with caste or its modern-day effect’. He blamed these Hindus for opposing DFN’s attempt ‘right now to pass a resolution recognizing the ongoing presence of untouchability in India’. The moderator of an academic Indology forum asked its members to get familiar with DFN. 40 Soon thereafter, Marsh introduced into the forum a petition to promote the rights of Christian proselytizers in India. Even though the petition was signed by numerous groups known for their Christian fundamentalism—such as National Association of Evangelicals, Southern Baptist convention, Open Doors International, and www.rightmarch.com (a radical right-wing group)—the academic forum’s moderator gave it a special endorsement.

 

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In 2005, three organizations came together to hold the 'First International Conference on the History of Early Christianity in India from the advent of St Thomas to Vasco da Gama'. These were: the Institute of Asian Studies, the Dravidian Spiritual Movement that was founded by Deivanayagam, and New York Christian Tamil Temple. An information piece about the event boasted its evangelical orientation:

 

"May this great project enthuse our evangelists to work with a deep sense of pride and commitment with rich and fascinating material for the expansion of the kingdom of our Lord on this earth, and thus to shower peace and prosperity on humanity at large and Indian nation in particular."

 

The official announcement of the New York conference claimed that India's classical traditions, including Tamil literature, Saivism, Vaishnavism, and Mahayana Buddhism, had been shaped out of Christianity:

 

"Christianity in Tamil Nadu . . . was a very potential force and its ethics and other theological codes find powerful expression even in secular Tamil Classics like Thirukural and Naladiyar . Its impact is felt in the native worship and especially in the local religions like Saivism and Vaishnavism. It is obvious that India received a number of missionaries, many of whom belonged to Asia and other parts of the world. The Yavanar, probably people from Greece and Rome, spread the message of Christianity in the length and breadth of Indian soil. Anyhow, we are able to understand that Christianity was deeply rooted in the Indian milieu, thanks to the works of proselytism by men of eminence, starting from St Thomas. But most of the records have been lost or destroyed and Christianity might have underwent lot of sea-changes owing to many a time of adversity faced by it. It has left its strong impact on the other religions of India; it was instrumental for the emergence of many Indian religions. Its presence is felt in all religions of India in various forms. Its impact on the emergence of Mahayana Buddhism, especially in the conception of the Bodhisatva as well as the second coming of the Maitreya Buddha, is indeed marvelous."

 

https://www.instituteofasianstudies.com/christianity_conference.html

 

This was a high-profile game plan to absorb not only Hinduism but the entire spectrum of Indian and Asian spiritual traditions, including Buddhism and Jainism. It received support from several American authorities, including Senator Hillary Clinton, who wrote:

 

"The first International Conference on the History of Early Christianity in India will successfully combine different and diverse resources to fully explore the presence of early Christianity in India. I am confident that the breadth of resources presented during the conference will shed light on the impact of Christianity on medieval and classical Indian and its effect on the cultural and political climate of India and throughout the world."

 

https://books.google.co.in/books/about/First_International_Conference_on_the_Hi.html?id=ptXYAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y

 

Many papers presented the impact of St Thomas on Tamil culture, as a matter of established fact. All Tamil spiritual cardinal values were traced back to an imagined Thomas Christianity. These ideas are all rooted in the nineteenth-century colonial-evangelical historiographies.

 

The Institute of Asian Studies was founded jointly by a Japanese Buddhist scholar and an Indian Christian named John Samuel. It has brought out a large number of books and a periodical called Journal of the Institute of Asian Studies. Samuel took it over from the Japanese partner and shifted its research and education agenda towards decoupling Tamil identity and culture from Hinduism.

 

John Samuel was pleased by the reception given to his Institute of Asian Studies by American Churchmen and the Tamil diaspora:

 

"Scholars from all sections of Indian society, including the Indologists of various countries, congratulated this center for having dared to undertake pioneering and bold studies . . . The Indian media and political circle appreciated the efforts of the Institute of Asian Studies in glowing terms when it embarked on further new projects connected with Saivite and Vaishnavite studies . . ."

 

However, ironically, once his missionary endeavors became clear among the indigenous Tamil population and things were no longer going so smoothly, Samuel explains that he had to change his evangelical strategies and reshuffle the basic organization of his institution. He wrote:

 

"But we faced unforeseen opposition when we declared about our programmes pertaining to Christian studies, which is a vital part of the Asian sensibilities and heritage. Although this forms the basic agenda of this center and a significant component of its constitution, we found it very difficult to execute the projects connected with early Christianity till we made a thorough reshuffling of the basic structure of this organization. "


One of the attendees of the 2005 New York Conference was Dr J. David Baskara Doss, whose PhD dissertation was titled 'Six Darshanas and the Religion of Tamils in the Light of the Bible'. He conducts seminars on disguising Christian evangelism, and is the curriculum director of an evangelical institution with a secular name: National Institute of Leadership Training (NILT). It describes its aim of 'leadership training' as leading 'heathens' to Jesus:

 

"Lead Heathens to look upon God to beseech, 'Draw me, we will run after thee.' (Song 1:4) If they do so, certainly Father will draw them near to Jesus (Jer. 31:3). Jesus proclaimed that they come to Him, because the Father had drawn them to Himself (John 6:44). Jesus will lift up these folks to be with Him one day (John 12:32)."

 

Marvin Olasky, an advisor to President George W. Bush, also chief editor of the World Magazine , writes for his huge American readership about global Christianity. His article titled 'How Did Jesus Change Hinduism?' introduces the history of Hinduism to American readers, saying that:

"the two major denominations of Hinduism today—Vishnu-followers and Shiva-followers—arose not from early Hinduism but from early Christian churches probably planted by the apostle Thomas in India from AD 52 to 68."

 

He goes on to explain that prior to the arrival of Christianity, the Indian religions were either based on animal sacrifices or were atheistic (by which he means Buddhism and Jainism). It was St Thomas who gave Indians the religion of salvation by faith, without any need for animal sacrifices. This was part of Christianity's gift of 'a Trinitarian faith that proclaimed God's willingness to come to earth as an avatar (incarnation)'.
 

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Amartya Sen's wife is a Rothschild

https://sundayguardianlive.com/opinion/strange-saga-amartya-sen-rothschilds

 

More from Rajiv Malhotra's book:

 

After the 2008 US election, Dalit Freedom Network decided to diversify beyond its right-wing base in order to cultivate powerful Democrats, including Senator Joseph Biden, who had just been elected as the vice president. Benjamin Marsh, DFN’s head lobbyist in Washington, commented that Vice President Biden would provide the direction for South Asia policy decisions. Therefore, in order to gain entry into the new administration, Marsh started to cultivate Biden’s key advisor on South Asia, Jonah Blank. Marsh had a meeting with Jonah Blank and found his book Arrow of the Blue-skinned God ‘not disappointing’, and endorsed the chapter on caste as ‘a good introduction to the issue from a historical and anthropological view’. Jonah Blank’s background and attitudes offer insight into the kind of networking that goes on across partisan lines, academic disciplines and professional specialties.

 

Jonah Blank completed graduate studies in anthropology at Harvard, where his fellowship was funded by the US National Security Education Program, which focuses on geographic areas, languages, and fields of study deemed critical to protect US interests. Blank traveled extensively across India and Pakistan, and learned Sanskrit, Hindi, Gujarati and Urdu. He developed extensive knowledge and experience of the traditions and teachings of Hinduism and Islam. His first book, Arrow of the Blue-skinned God: Retracing the Ramayana through India, explores the Ramayana and broader Indian religions and society using the Aryan/Dravidian racial binary. For example, he quotes a Dravidianist scholar to conclude that Aryan deities are immoral, whereas Dravidian deities have a ‘high standard’. He interprets Hanuman worship in Deccan as a sort of psychological mechanism for transforming ‘contempt’ into ‘self-respect’. His next book, Mullahs on the Mainframe Islam and Modernity among the Daudi Bohras (Chicago University Press, 2001) was on how the Dawoodi Bohra Muslim community of Mumbai was very modern. He became one of the US policymaking experts on South Asia, and is a Hinduism consultant for Beliefnet, a prestigious religious portal.

 

In 2002, he participated in a conference titled ‘Hindu Nationalism vs Islamic Jihad: Religious Militancy in South Asia’, sponsored by Ethics and Public Policy Center. (EPPC was discussed among the right-wing groups in the previous chapter.) The co-sponsor was INFEMIT, an evangelical network headed by Vinay Samuel and supported by Cromwell Trust, which calls itself an organization ‘dedicated to the teaching and active extension of the doctrines of Evangelical Christianity’. Here Jonah Blank talked of the necessity to prevent L.K. Advani, then the deputy prime minister of India, from ‘becoming Slobodan Milosevic’. 

 

To illustrate that such religious intervention in the US is part and parcel of dealing with secular issues, it is useful to note that Jonah Blank shaped the Democratic Party’s 2008 report that advised for a ‘dramatic strategic shift’ in South Asia. He was one of the thirty-three top Pakistan specialists in Washington who formulated this new strategy which led to the proposal for the Obama administration to ‘provide $7.5 billion in economic and development aid to Pakistan over the next five years’. This was introduced by Senator Joe Biden, then vice-president elect, under whom Blank worked. This report helped overcome the hard facts that most of the US aid to Pakistan was being diverted to the Pakistani army in violation of the agreements, including use against India.

 

Blank is now the policy advisor on South Asia/Near East policy to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, and is also a member of the prestigious Council on Foreign Relations. He is on the faculty of South Asia Studies at John Hopkins University, where he teaches ‘The Politics of Religion in South Asia: Community and Communalism in Sociological Context’.  With this background, we can appreciate the complexities of strategic confluences, such as this one between the Christian right-wing Benjamin Marsh of Dalit Freedom Network and Jonah Blank, an advisor to liberal Vice President Joe Biden.                                                                                                                     

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Many liberal, left-wing scholars drop all pretense of wokeness when it comes to India. No other non-Western group gets the level of unchallenged negative scrutiny and "right wing" accusations for ever stepping a toe out of the line that India does, which is suspicious. Several Indian scholars have joined this enterprise.

 

Martha Nussbaum is professor of Law and Ethics at the University of Chicago, and is widely seen as a powerful voice of American liberalism. But when it comes to India, she is aligned against Indian civilization and embraces radical Eurocentrism. For example, she stated that a Hindu nation is not ‘a benign establishment like the Lutheran Church of Finland’ but something that would treat Muslims as second-class citizens. Her interest in India started while working for Amartya Sen in an intimate relationship that she has bragged about. 

 

At a Yale seminar on anti-Semitism, her focus was to link Hinduism with fascism, as reflected in the notes that she distributed to the participants:

 

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In India the perpetrators of violence are not Muslims (who are usually poor and downtrodden, but not involved in perpetrating violence, except in the special instance of Kashmir), but Hindus who sought their ideology in Fascist Europe and who model their stance on European anti-semitism of the 1930s. 

 

She alleges that India has jumped on the bandwagon of fighting terrorism as a ploy to justify its own violence against religious minorities. Terror is a pretext to cover up India’s ‘values involved in ethnic cleansing’.  She says, ‘The current world atmosphere, especially the indiscriminate use of the terrorism card by the United States, has made it easier for them to use this ploy’.

 

She further informed them that the Hindu political ideology was derived from ‘European romantic nationalism and its darker aspirations to ethnic purity’. While her academic specialty is the philosophy of Aristotle, Nussbaum has written extensively to condemn Indian civilization. Her book, The Clash Within: Democracy, Religious Violence, and India’s Future, is a recent example. Here she supported the divisive position that the Indus Valley Civilization was Dravidianist, before the Sanskrit-speakers moved in. She wrote:


 

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The people who spoke Sanskrit almost certainly migrated into the subcontinent from outside, finding indigenous people there, probably the ancestors of the Dravidian peoples of South India. Hindus are no more indigenous than Muslims. Those Indian scholars who are outside the supervision of the Western academy and funding agencies, and who critically examine the western interpretation of ancient Indian history, are branded as part of the Hindu Right.

 

 

 

Nussbaum disregards that the foreign Aryan model was vehemently rejected by Ambedkar and many others unrelated to any Hindu Right. She ignores that the model had been highly popularized by the soldier-turned-archeologist Mortimer Wheeler, who declared that the Vedic deity Indra stands accused of committing massacre in Mohenjo-Daro. This was not a ‘casual’ mistake of hypothesis, as Nussbaum wants her readers to believe. Edmund Leach, the famous British anthropologist, notes:

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Common sense might suggest that here was a striking example of a refutable hypothesis that had in fact been refuted. Indo-European scholars should have scrapped all their historical reconstructions and started again from scratch. But that is not what happened. Vested interests and academic posts were involved. Almost without exception the scholars in question managed to persuade themselves that despite appearances the theories of the philologists and the hard evidence of archeology could be made to fit together. The trick was to think of the horse-riding Aryans as conquerors of the cities of the Indus civilization in the same way that the Spanish conquistadores were conquerors of the cities of Mexico and Peru or the Israelites of the Exodus were conquerors of Jericho. The lowly Dasa of the Rig Veda , who had previously been thought of as primitive savages, were now reconstructed as members of a high civilization. 

 


Without the required qualifications or training to speak with authority on the subject, Nussbaum proceeds to pontificate on the date of the Vedas, concluding that any claim of Vedic antiquity before 1200 BCE or claims of cultural continuity of the Harappan culture to the present day, brand a person as belonging to the Hindu Right. In explaining the Aryan ‘invasion’ scenario, she simply omits that it has been rejected by archeologists universally, 

 

She accuses the Indian government of using al-Qaeda as ‘a scare tactic’, without providing any basis. She outright denies the existence of any India-based Islamic terror-network with Pakistani connections. India is not justified in enacting any special laws to control terror cells, she insists. She laments that the United States is not monitoring India as a threat to world democracy:

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What has been happening in India is a serious threat to the future of democracy in the world. The fact that it has yet to make it onto the radar screen of so many Americans, is evidence of the way in which terrorism and the war in Iraq have distracted Americans from events and issues of fundamental significance. 

 

 

Many of Nussbaum’s political stances are full of contradictions. For instance, in 2007 she argued against British unions that were boycotting Israeli academic institutions that were accused of political bias. But she took the opposite stand on Indian academic institutions and individuals, criticizing the world’s failure to not utter ‘a whisper about boycotting’ the Indians. 

 

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If you look deep enough, and look at who they're associated with, past and present, you'll see they are selling a false Christ. Basically they're working a game between Zionism("right") and Bolshevism("left"). They drive the population insane and in despair and then offer their predestined "solution".

Freemasonry being involved with both. 

 

Support of 9-11 government/media narrative and support of "War on Terror", and the "Regime Change" operations that have been ongoing for over a hundred years...

 

WHO BENEFITS?

 

Look what they did in China. 

 

It's Ordo-Ab-Chao. "Problem-reaction-solution". False-flags abounding.

 

They wear many masks.

 

The real "Christians" were the Cathars, or at least, they had become more aware of the esoteric Christ(Truth) before and beyond the religion called "Christianity".

 

They want a submissive and obedient world of slaves that cannot challenge their "authority".

 

They're real big on "brotherhood" and "freedom for all" until they have exploited and abused those ideas enough to destroy their enemies and capture and maintain positions of power and influence.

 

That first book of the "bible", which they read first....to cast a spell on the reader to believe in an imposter "god'...which is refuted by the "New Testament" later...but I guess many or most don't notice that. And give the murderers and lying writers of that book(torah) legitimacy. Woe to them...

 

A good book to read to break the spell is "The Great Jewish Masque"(subtitiled: "Or: The Ass in the Lion's Skin"), a non-fictional satire. It still exaggerates less than they do.

 

Maybe they want a population of these, until they outlive their usefulness anyways

 

 

 

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If you look deep enough, and look at who they're associated with, past and present, you'll see they are selling a false Christ. Basically they're working a game between Zionism("right") and Bolshevism("left"). They drive the population insane and in despair and then offer their predestined "solution".

Freemasonry being involved with both. 

 

Support of 9-11 government/media narrative and support of "War on Terror", and the "Regime Change" operations that have been ongoing for over a hundred years...

 

WHO BENEFITS?

 

Look what they did in China. 

 

It's Ordo-Ab-Chao. "Problem-reaction-solution". False-flags abounding.

 

They wear many masks.

 

The real "Christians" were the Cathars, or at least, they had become more aware of the esoteric Christ(Truth) before and beyond the religion called "Christianity".

 

They want a submissive and obedient world of slaves that cannot challenge their "authority".

 

They're real big on "brotherhood" and "freedom for all" until they have exploited and abused those ideas enough to destroy their enemies and capture and maintain positions of power and influence.

 

That first book of the "bible", which they read first....to cast a spell on the reader to believe in an imposter "god'...which is refuted by the "New Testament" later...but I guess many or most don't notice that. And give the murderers and lying writers of that book(torah) legitimacy. Woe to them...

 

A good book to read to break the spell is "The Great Jewish Masque"(subtitiled: "Or: The Ass in the Lion's Skin"), a non-fictional satire. It still exaggerates less than they do.

 

Maybe they want a population of these, until they outlive their usefulness anyways

 

 

 

christian-zionism-calf1.jpeg

 

 

 

Yeah people need to criticize whichever party, especially we have to be careful that the right (in our case Modi) doesn't get to be totalitarian in trying to 'combat' the left if he's made into a Christ figure So far hasn't happened but it could. Gandhi was actually a kind of Christ figure. He fit all the Christian qualities. Forgiveness, a peacemaker, and all that's pretty good. But this has given Indians a bit of a mentality to just ignore the forces against Indians. The narratives that Hindus=Nazis in academia, the continuous negativity, has been going on for decades, but with very little counter from Hindus, though many of these huge academics have openly said that Hinduism should be destroyed in favor of Islam and Christianity. But if we say too much it could cause 'communalism'. This particular mentality in his quote:

 

"We should dispassionately think where we are drifting. Hindus should not harbour anger in their hearts against Muslims even if the latter wanted to destroy them. Even if the Muslims want to kill us all we should face death bravely. If they established their rule after killing Hindus we would be ushering in a new world by sacrificing our lives."

 

You get something similar in some of the gaslighting on immigration in the West. The "don't harbor hate in your hearts, pretend the problem isn't there." The problem it's difficult to see what the middle ground is. 

 

 

 

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International Religious Freedom Act

 

The International Religious Freedom Act (IRFA) was passed into law in the US in 1998 during the Clinton presidency, under heavy lobbying from the Christian Right. Clinton supported this in exchange for Christian support on various legislations that he wanted. Such give-and-take between the right-wing and left-wing politics is one of the reasons for their opportunistic cooperation on certain matters. 

 

The act set up three bodies:

 

•An ambassador-at-large for International Religious Freedom within the US State Department.
•US Commission of International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) to advise the Congress, the US State Department, and the White House.
•A special advisor on international religious freedom within the President’s National Security Council.


The Act originated as a bill introduced by Republican representative Frank Wolf on behalf of conservative Christian groups. The goal was to facilitate mechanisms to bind the Christian populations in the developing nations to the right-wing Christian organizations in the United States. As Allen D. Hertzke would note later:

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What were the conditions underlying the legislative initiative? The first condition is the globalization of Christianity. The tectonic shift of the Christian population to the developing world of Asia, Africa and Latin America created a constituency around the world that communicates with an American constituency here at home.

 

 

The act was originally designed to impose mandatory sanctions against countries blocking Christian proselytizing, by accusing them of engaging in a ‘pattern of religious persecution’. It was quickly modified to allow a presidential waiver if the president felt that imposing sanctions would be counterproductive to US interests. As amended, the act is a flexible tool in the hands of the US president.

 

The ‘religious freedom’ programs under IRFA are vigorously supported by right-wing Christian conservatives in the United States, who are vehement critics of the UN as the mechanism for similar issues, because the UN does not give them similar clout as US domestic politics does.

 

The US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) filters and synthesizes data on India’s internal religious affairs for the purpose of strategic policymaking by the US government. Its past commissioners have included John R. Bolton and Eliot Abrams, two prominent members of the foreign policy establishment under several Republican presidents. Bolton often criticized the United Nations and worked against arms control treaties, though he served as the US representative to the UN in 2005-2006. Bolton once commented, ‘There is no such thing as the United Nations. There is only the international community, which can only be led by the only remaining superpower, which is the United States’. Eliot Abrams was undersecretary of state for President Reagan, and for his role in the Iran-Contra Affair, a special prosecutor prepared several felony counts against him, but he was eventually pardoned by the first President Bush. Later, the second President Bush appointed him as a USCIRF commissioner and he served as its chairman for a year.

 

Another key commissioner of USCIRF is Richard Land, who was named by TIME magazine as one of the twenty-five most influential evangelicals in America. He is the president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.

 

Another commissioner is Nina Shea, author of In the Lion’s Den, ‘ about anti-Christian persecution around the world’. She is described on the USCIRF website as:

 

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. . . one of the activists at the forefront of a movement to make religious freedom abroad a US foreign policy priority. It was a conference that Ms Shea organized in January 1996 that brought 100 top Christian leaders together for the first time to address the issue of worldwide anti-Christian persecution. This marked the beginning of a Church mobilization that has turned into a nationwide movement. Newsweek magazine credited her with ‘making Christian persecution Washington’s hottest cause.’ 

 

With regard to the violence by the Christian separatist group NLFT, the report again employed ambiguous and generalized statements to dilute the horrific acts of terror committed in the name of Christianity. While acknowledging Christian violence, it referred to the Hindus as the ‘majority religious community’ even though in the northeast Indian states where most such violence occurs, it is Christians who constitute the overwhelming majority not only numerically but also in terms of controlling the government and other civic institutions. The report mentioned the Christian violence as something which others have ‘accused’, and not as a matter of established fact, despite there being numerous official verdicts and reports in India proving that violence.

 

It concludes its very brief paragraph on this matter by rationalizing the violence as the fault of the Hindus: ‘The group contends that the dominance of Hinduism has resulted in the marginalization of Christians in Tripura’. In other words, Christian violence is caused by their alleged ‘marginalization’, and is hence justified, even though Hindus have been systematically ethnically cleansed from that region. Unlike its reporting of the alleged atrocities against Christians, where the Hindu side of the story is never given, here the NLFT’s reasoning is given prominence.

 

The specific events of killings of Hindus by NLFT are never discussed. USCIRF simply ignores the numerous reports by South Asian Terrorism Portal (www.satp.org), a terrorism watch group run by professional police and intelligence bureaucrats, that listed twenty-one violent incidents involving NLFT Christians for that year. These included many grave atrocities, as shown in the compilation below:

 

April 15: NLFT terrorists kill 12 people and injure seven others in West Tripura district; April 20: NLFT terrorists gun down eight people in Laxmipur, North Tripura district; May 18: NLFT terrorists kill four women and three men, besides injuring five others, in South Tripura district; October 27: Five civilians, including a child, killed by suspected NLFT terrorists in Debendra Sarkarpara, West Tripura district; November 19: 14 persons killed by suspected NLFT terrorists and in the subsequent communal violence in Borahaldi in North Tripura district; December 4: NLFT terrorists attack yet another hermitage in Jirania Khola; December 5: Suspected NLFT terrorists ransack a Buddhist temple in Almara village, South Tripura district; December 25: NLFT terrorists kill a Jamatiya leader in Dalak village, South Tripura district, for refusing to embrace Christianity; December 26: NLFT terrorists ransack a Buddhist temple in Almara village, South Tripura district, and escape with scriptures and an idol. 

 

From 2002 onwards, none of the USCIRF reports mention any violence by the Christian secessionist militias operating in Nagaland (NSCN) and Tripura (NLFT). Hindu tribal communities like Reangs, Jamatiya, who are victims of such Christian terrorist violence, were simply ignored as if they did not exist.

 

The 2003 report takes a stand against India’s Foreigners Act because it regulates the free flow of US evangelists. An investigative report by an Indian journal Tehelka said: ‘The 2003 US report is a no-nonsense document that conveys the official US policy supporting evangelization. It openly admits that “US officials have continued to engage state officials on the implementation and reversal of anti-conversion laws”’. This US posture echoes John Dayal’s testimony before the Commission that, ‘It is almost impossible for a foreign Christian church worker, preacher or evangelist to come to India unless it is as a tourist’. 

 

Suddenly, the Catholic Church, which had until then stayed out of such report writing (while allowing its individual activists to participate in their personal capacities), now abruptly changed its stand. The Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India explicitly expressed unhappiness with the USA’s refusal to designate India as one of the ‘Countries of Particular Concern’ with regard to religious freedom. It openly called for the US to prosecute India for ‘a spate of violence against minority communities’. The Church ‘did not share the US administration’s decision’ that had listed alleged anti-Christian activities but not recommended sanctions against India. The Church wrote to the American Secretary of State, asking that India be placed in the category of ‘egregious religious freedom violators’ along with five others – Burma, China, Iran, North Korea, and Sudan. Such countries would attract punitive action under the US International Religious Freedom Act. 

 

During the 2004 hearings, a four-member delegation of US Congressmen visited India to investigate on behalf of the USCIRF. Its leader, the Christian fundamentalist Joseph Pitts, said that the delegation would report to Congress about ‘the anti-conversion laws, treatment of Dalits and anti-minority violence to be included in the country reports’. A big problem is that the Christian missionaries coming to convert Hindus are fundamentalists, which results in extreme antagonism towards the native Hindus. Pitts attacked the anti-conversion law calling, it a ‘reversal of human rights in the land of the Mahatma Gandhi’.  Congressman Steve Chabot compared the situation in Gujarat to that of Rwanda. AICC secretary-general John Dayal said that his delegation of Indian minorities had put concrete demands before the US delegation: ‘One of our demands is that there must be reservations for minorities in the foreign companies that collaborate with India’. This mobilized the global Christian lobby to ask for preferences for Indian Christians as employees and in business trade and investment deals at the expense of non-Christians.

 

What is clear is that Indian Christian leaders collaborate with the US Christians. The Indians are encouraged to dish out atrocity literature to feed into the US system, so that the Americans can use it as a justification for action. In return, these Indians are built up by their American sponsors and paraded as world-class activists and champions of the oppressed.

 

When a USCIRF hearing in Chennai led some Indian groups to criticize USCIRF for meddling in India’s internal affairs, Ms Joanella Morales, a US official, responded: ‘We are not interfering. Your own people have written and spoken to us, asking us to do something about the state of religious freedom in this country’. This is reminiscent of the colonial rationale for intervention in India on the pretext that certain Indians had invited them. Morales criticized India’s own Freedom of Religion Act, which she called an ‘anti-conversion law’. A Chennai-based forum, Vigil, pointed out to the US officials that every law has the potential for abuse but that could not be an excuse for meddling in another nation’s internal affairs. The Indians presented a hypothetical equivalent scenario, where the Indian Parliament would constitute a commission and office to monitor racism in United States and get Indian embassies and diplomatic missions to gather information by encouraging dissenting groups and anti-Americans in the US and elsewhere.

 

In another example, Buddhists of Arunachal Pradesh were threatened by Christian Naga terrorists, as reported by Assam Tribune:

 

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The twin militant outfits NSCN (IM) and NSCN(K) have demanded annexation of land from the Buddhist and other indigenous faith followers of Rima Putak, Thikhak Putak, Motongsa and Longchong villages in Tirap-Changlang district in Arunachal Pradesh, and have issued a decree for their conversion to Christianity. The militant outfits have left the villagers two options – embrace Christianity or face capital punishment. With death staring at their face, most of the adult members have fled the villages to escape torture from both sides, resulting in disruption of agricultural activities. 

 

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another very renowned 'left winger'

 

Angana Chatterji is associate professor of Social and Cultural Anthropology at California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS), an institution that was established specifically to bring the spiritual teachings of Sri Aurobindo to the West. Prior to joining CIIS, she worked in policy and advocacy research at the Indian Social Institute, which is run by Jesuits in Delhi, for the explicit purpose of propagating ‘Christian inspiration and following the social teaching of the Catholic Church’. 

 

While she finds US intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan to be a violation of those countries’ rights and calls George Bush ‘a man who himself should be charged with crimes against humanity’, she still wants US intervention in India’s affairs.

 

She describes the social services done by Hindu organizations, as ‘conscription into Hindu activism’, even as she praises the same kind of social work in ‘health care, education and employment offered by Christian missionaries’. 

 

Chatterji is also a standard and predictable face at major events supporting Kashmir separatists, having declared herself to be working on ‘self-determination in Indian-administered Kashmir’. At one such conference on Kashmir, organized by the Pakistani Students Association at George Washington University, the Embassy of Pakistan, and Pakistan’s Minister of Kashmir Affairs, she spoke of the ‘growing concern among civil society groups about human rights crises in Indian-occupied Kashmir in the areas of social, political, cultural, religious, and economic rights’. 

 

By depicting India as an undemocratic state filled with horrors of Hindu savagery, such left-wing academics have blurred the distinctions between Islamic terrorism and what they portray as equally bad violations by Indians against Muslims, Christians and Dalits. This seems to justify terrorist attacks on India as well-deserved. In the aftermath of the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attacks, an event in the New York Public Library also featured the view that Indians deserved the blame for the Mumbai attacks because they were illegally occupying Kashmir and oppressing Muslims in general. Furthermore this view was reflected by Julian Duin, the religion editor of Washington Times :

 

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The terrorist assault—this time by Muslims—on Mumbai later in the year, highlighted the powderkeg India has become and how often in this Hindu-majority country, the oppressed don’t get a lot of justice. 

 

Western transnational groups and their India-based associates regularly come together to share intelligence. For example, in 2008 a study on ‘Hindu Nationalist Organisations in Social and Political Context’ was conducted under the Special Assistance Programme of University Grants Commission (a Government of India body) in collaboration with the Indian Council of Social Science Research, New Delhi. Some of the scholars and institutions (including foreign institutions) had a very clear evangelical bias. This illustrates how several liberal-left postcolonial scholars, who claim to be against US intervention, have been effectively co-opted. There are several causes, which include the lure of academic prestige, underlying Eurocentric bias in the social sciences, and a benign perception of multinational religious institutions operating in India.

 

Our survey of US-based South Asian Studies has revealed a very strong pro-Islamic bias. Hindus and the Indian government are blamed in all sorts of issues concerning Indian Muslims and issues of terrorism in India. Various Islamic advocacy groups in the United States nurture such scholars, and provide forums and mechanisms to bring them together with affiliates in India. An example of a prominent lobbyist influencing the US academy is the Indian Muslim Council. The Indian Muslim Council (IMC) is a US-based advocacy group for Indian Muslims. One of its most local leaders, Kaleem Kawaja, has been openly sympathetic to the Taliban, even after 9/11. Yet, IMC is successful in influencing US government policies on India. It takes up anti-India stands on issues like Kashmir, and Kawaja writes in Pakistani magazines comparing Kashmir to Kosovo and East Timur. 82 IMC’s keynote speakers 83 at its high profile conferences have included Lise McKean (described earlier in this chapter), and Congressman John Conyers, an important liberal Democrat who joined right-wing Republicans to pass a resolution condemning India for ‘violations of religious freedom’.

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Although Marxists and Christian fundamentalists attack each other in the West, they find common cause against Indian civilization. India has been attacked by this alliance in the European parliament, various international bodies and academic conferences at European institutions. Looking at continental Europe, especially Scandinavia, one finds numerous Marxists who are committed to conflating caste with race. The equation of caste with race owes much to the politics of identity that was started by colonial missionaries, who identified the Dravidians as a race.

 

The renewed impetus for conflating caste and race came from the World Conference against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance, held in Durban, South Africa, in 2001 under the auspices of the UN Commission on Human Rights. The Indian caste-system was on the agenda in spite of these comments by the government of India:

 

After the Dalit Solidarity Network had been established in the UK in 1998, the International Dalit Solidarity Network (IDSN) was formed in 2000, headquartered in Copenhagen. Its stated goal is ‘facilitating Dalit rights interventions internationally, including before the EU Commission and Parliament, UN human rights mechanisms, the International Labour Organisation (ILO), and other forums’. The financing is almost entirely brought by Christian organizations in the West.

 

IDSN office-holders also provide consultancy to the National Dalit Task Force based in India, an organization created by the National Council of Churches in India in collaboration with foreign groups such as World Council of Churches, Lutheran World Federation, and Global Mission of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. The stated aim is to hold conferences ‘outside India on Dalit liberation and activation of the Dalit Task Force’. These organizations, along with IDSN and DSN-UK, provide its strategic direction

 

IDSN has branches all over Europe, with most of its office-holders having strong evangelical church links. 6 The approach is to select church officials for top posts, in directing Dalit affairs. For example, the head of its French branch is also project officer for a church group in India. 7 In Germany, IDSN is headed by the Lutheran Church’s program officer directing various activities in India. 8 Its Belgium contact is from a Catholic aid organization. 9 In Sweden and the Netherlands, IDSN activism is directed by people well-known for their attacks against India in international forums. 10 One of the co-conveners of IDSN, Paul Divakar, has a strong church background 11 and is also the convener of the National Campaign for Dalit Human Rights, another India-based Christian organization with a Dalit face.

 

The persistent advocacy of IDSN and its Indian affiliates resulted in the UN Commission on Human Rights adopting a resolution in 2005 to appoint two Special Rapporteurs to study caste-based discrimination. 12 To achieve this goal, the Lutheran World Federation had submitted a written petition to most member states of the UN, while in parallel IDSN had lobbied Geneva-based government missions. 13 Both the rapporteurs appointed were fundamentalist Christians, one being a graduate from International Christian University at Tokyo, 14 and the other a South Korean sociologist and activist working for church organizations. 15 IDSN worked very closely with both these throughout the project, and provided them working drafts which shaped much of the UN report. 16 IDSN facilitated selective NGO inputs to them, with no opposing inputs by anyone else. It brought in international organizations against racism, along with Lutheran World Federation to host discussions, and its top officials presented its pro-Christian positions very assertively, including submission of a report to the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. 17 The four-day visit of a UN rapporteur to India was even funded by IDSN. 18

 

IDSN believes that equating caste with race will open the floodgates to international interventions in India’s internal affairs that would help Christian conversions, and it makes the false claim that Indian Christianity does not suffer from caste biases. When the Government of India provided its own reports to the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, IDSN proudly reported how it was working to undermine the Indian government:

 

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Shadow reports were prepared and submitted to the committee by IDSN members and associates: the National Campaign on Dalit Human Rights, India; the Center for Human Rights and Global Justice / Human Rights Watch; the Dalit Network of the Netherlands in association with IDSN; and the Asian Human Rights Commission all submitted substantive reports with full sets of recommendations. 19


In 2007, pressured by the sustained anti-India campaigning, the UN selected India as the first country to be reviewed for human rights violations. IDSN submitted its own report on India in association with the National Campaign on Dalit Human Rights, the Lutheran World Federation, and the International Movement Against all forms of Discrimination and Racism, and called this report ‘additional credible and reliable information’ received from ‘other relevant stakeholders’. 20

 

In 2005, IDSN arranged for the testimony of the top official of the National Campaign on Dalit Human Rights, at the European Commission. The goal was to establish the ‘inaction and unwillingness of government officials in India to take up the issue of violations against Dalits, and its failure to prevent discrimination against Dalits in the relief and rehabilitation efforts following the tsunami.’ 21 They petitioned the European Commission to intervene in India’s economic development programs. IDSN has become a power center in influencing how development funds from countries of the EU are channeled into India, and organizes top-level meetings where its church officials bring Dalit representatives before the European Commission in Delhi. 

 

In 2006, the Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs gave a large grant towards IDSN’s core mission. IDSN worked with a Dutch government official, who is also a member of Oxfam International, to raise questions on the EU’s policy on Dalit human rights. 23 The same year, the EU Commissioner wrote to IDSN that the UN’s Special Rapporteur on Discrimination (whose visit to India had been funded by IDSN) was welcome to visit the EU. 

 

The EU made a commitment to give political and financial support to the UN study, and criticized the Indian government for not confessing its racist practices. 24 The top EU official who served as the nexus for all this belongs to OVP, the conservative right-wing Austrian People’s Party. Interestingly this party is notorious for wanting a Catholic and anti-socialist regime which opposes affirmative action in its own country. 

 

IDSN also networks with powerful International church bodies, among which the Lutheran World Federation (LWF) and the World Council of Churches (WCC) are especially notable. The initiatives of IDSN to supplement its advocacy for European intervention into India are often backed institutionally by LWF and WCC, such as a photo-exhibition purportedly showing discrimination against Dalits in India. 39 This traveling photo-exhibition was displayed widely in Europe, and at the hearing on untouchability in the European parliament. 40

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Every little thing in India is blown up. For example the CAA fiasco. The CAA fast tracks citizenship for minorities from neighboring Islamic countries (Pakistan, Bagladesh, Afghanistan). Muslim refugees are not barred. You can criticize it, but India is getting relatively MORE criticized than the West. India is the only non-Western country to face such scrutiny. https://www.opindia.com/2024/03/us-monitoring-implementation-of-caa-in-india-lautenberg-specter-amendment-persecuted-minorities/

 

This dude got kicked out of university for celebrating Indian independence day, during the Kashmir fiasco.

 

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Moses Montefiore and Nathan Mayer Rothschild loaned the British Treasury £3,200,000 (used to service the debt owed the privately operated Bank of England operated by Nathan Mayer Rothschild), in return for an exclusive grant of trading privileges with all countries of the Indian and Pacific Oceans, between Cape Horn and Cape Good Hope for the newly chartered joint stock corporation which Rothschild controlled the British East India Company. They always operate through joint stock corporations in order to conceal their ownership and avoid personal responsibility.

 

”When I settled in London,” Nathan Rothschild continued, ” the East India Company had eight hundred thousand pounds‟ worth of gold to sell. I went to the sale and bought it all. I knew the Duke of Wellington must have it; I had bought a great many of his bills at a discount. The Government sent for me and said that they must have it. When they had got it, they did not know how to get it to Portugal. I undertook all that, and sent it through France. It was the best business that I have ever done.”

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Not trying to say they're trying to get rid of Hindus, the continued one-sided narrative against Hindus could be part of destabilization. The  Hindu religion is pretty much tied to much of Indian culture, so simply practicing the culture could be seen as 'bad'. The news have been portraying the practise of yoga https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/yogathon-hindu-nationalism/, or saris https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/12/fashion/india-nationalism-sari.html and literally every other show of Indian/Hindu culture as having fascist roots. So they're at least attempting to (so far unsuccessfully) to portray exhibitions of indian culture as sinister. Records of historical oppression of Hindus, Jains and Buddhists are seen as overblown and exaggerated, when they are not remotely. In fact they're underexaggerated.

 

They can't genocide Hindus (In India) directly because of their numbers. But they are downplaying past and current atrocities committed against Dharmic religions by Abrahamic religions, and when Hindus do something it's all over the international media. One of the main ways is making them ashamed of their own religion. Shame is very strong among the indian left wing, even the right to some extent (although the right in india is often kind of like a counter to the left so not really right)

noting the context, these guys were trying to define the nation after centuries of mughal rule in which massacres had been committed of hindus by mughal rulers, as well as christians being given special status. there's a more balanced take on the whole 'hindutva is nazism'. note that the things these guys said were no longer 'in vogue' in india as time went. when people spread propaganda it isnt lies but it's stuff taken out of context, selectivity etc https://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2017/10/down-with-nationalism.html

https://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2015/06/savarkar-and-modi-beginning-and-end-of.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy9IrrxkNS8

https://indiafacts.org/guru-golwalkar-nazi/

 

indians generally get too emotional and arent so great with the logic (as an indian myself). hence we need some foreign dude to lay out the all the information and arguments. koenraad elst is from belgium. despite the description of him on wiki, he doesn't identify as a hindu, and definitely not a hindutva.

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Some links that modi has with the rothschilds:

 

1. Apco, the PR firm that brought Modi to power, also promoted the money-laundering billionaire Khodorkovsky, a front for Jacob Rothschild. APCO supports Rothschild interests.

2. Gautam Adani, the Jain businessman who funded Modi, is partners with Israeli defense firms indirectly controlled by Rothschild.

3. De La Rue, the British currency printing and security firm that Modi rehired after it was banned for inserting fake currency into the RBI is a long-time printer for Anglo-Jewish imperial interests. It is connected to MI6, UK intelligence which is controlled by the Rothschild oligarchy.

 

https://populareducation.in/loksamvad/article/a-well-kept-open-secret-washington-is-behind-indias-brutal-demonetization-project/ (this article was originally on global.ca but it seems to have been deleted)

 

regardless these are quotes by the so-called hindu militant fascist modi:  "If anyone touches my Muslim brother or sister, I won't be sitting idle" PM Modi used the forum of a world Sufi meet on Thursday to declare terrorism as "anti-religion" and state that India can accomodate minorities, including micro-minorities, like Parsis. Holding up the example of Sufi saints like Amir Khushro, Moinuddin Chisti etc, he said Sufism is the voice of universal peace."

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/51450052.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

The media is talking about an imminent genocide of Muslims. I understand the need not to generalize Muslims, but the problem is Hindus being continually demonized to protect them and the exaggerations.
 

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this is an extremely common sentiment that you see 24/7 when having to counter the hate towards indians (and this is a relatively 'right-leaning sub' by others standards). it reminds me of gandhi's "hate only begets hate" stuff. compare this to other groups reactions when they face bigotry. this is after the left continuously portraying indians in a one-sided negative and malicious way for decades (compared to other non-white groups), and the amount of dehumanizing stereotypes of Indians on top of it. On social media, like the twitter algorithm theyre talking about, on reddit indians would be banned for gently defending themself against extremely dehumanizing "low iq" "genetics" comments by almost exclusively left wingers with like 10K upvotes on left wing subreddits, while 'barely' racism towards other groups would get instantly removed. so social media, and the news, academia is pretty stacked up against the indians. In the United States it's very politically correct to be racist to Indians compared to other groups.

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protests across the world about hindutva ie kashmir/CAA (usually misguided)

 

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/holi-against-hindutva-protests-in-21-us-universities-against-delhi-violence-1652005-2020-03-03 (21 US univerisities in "holi against hindutva" protests against delhi violence, but of course they didn't mention that that the violence was started by Muslims pelting stones and lighting Hindu homes on fire for months and 2 people were killed and a third was stabbed 27 times before the Hindus retaliated) 

 

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/us-south-asian-organisations-plan-weekend-of-caa-protests/article30588251.ece

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/pg/foto-galeri/protest-in-london-in-support-of-kashmir

 

https://theleaflet.in/protestors-march-to-canadian-pms-office-against-rising-human-rights-violations-by-hindutva-supremacist-groups/#:~:text=Protestors gathered in the Canadian,RSS-linked groups in Canada.

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protests across the world about hindutva ie kashmir/CAA (usually misguided)

 

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/holi-against-hindutva-protests-in-21-us-universities-against-delhi-violence-1652005-2020-03-03 (21 US univerisities in "holi against hindutva" protests against delhi violence, but of course they didn't mention that that the violence was started by Muslims pelting stones and lighting Hindu homes on fire for months and 2 people were killed and a third was stabbed 27 times before the Hindus retaliated) 

 

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/us-south-asian-organisations-plan-weekend-of-caa-protests/article30588251.ece

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/pg/foto-galeri/protest-in-london-in-support-of-kashmir

 

https://theleaflet.in/protestors-march-to-canadian-pms-office-against-rising-human-rights-violations-by-hindutva-supremacist-groups/#:~:text=Protestors gathered in the Canadian,RSS-linked groups in Canada.

  

Imho us humans are naturally tribal and territorial, that's perfectly natural and even necessary, it comes from us being a social species like other primates and we need to come together and support our side. Denying that natural truth leads to civilisational decline such as we can see all around us. 

 

However it does mean there'll be border disputes and conflicts where the tribes rub up next to each other, if they don't have mutually agreed territory. There's a saying that good fences make good neighbours.  But of course there's all sorts of opportunity for bad actors to manipulate people's feelings of safety, security and prosperity of their people at the expense of someone else. We have a similar flashpoint to Kashmir here in the UK with Northern Ireland. It was deliberately populated with people of a different loyalty to the indigenous Irish and now there's a chronic distrust and conflict which only looks likely to be resolved through demographic decline of one side or the other. 

 

It's tragic that both sides get manipulated into fighting and killing each other like puppets; we all need to move our gaze from horizontally at each other, to vertically up the puppet strings to see who's really controlling us. 

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