AI is now your therapist and life coach

[Phil26]

This is horrific. AI 'therapists' giving advice on mental health and life issues. This raises all sorts of issues, not least of all how the 'advice' will be tailored to make the human getting the AI therapy to think less like a human, or their natural consciousness, and condition the human to think, behave and make choices as an AI would. Especially as children and teens could use it and be easily influenced.

 

 

"Always on, always helpful. Using AI to help find your direction.
Our AI is designed to listen, understand, and provide personalized guidance to help you navigate life's challenges.

...ensuring that our chatbot is grounded in both scientific research and human empathy.".

AI therapists online

 

[Mr H]

What do you think of folks who use the internet to look for information? Same kind of thing isn't it? 

[The OC]

[Phil26]

On 3/2/2024 at 4:04 PM, Mr H said:

What do you think of folks who use the internet to look for information? Same kind of thing isn't it? 

No. It's not the same thing at all. 

 

People approach 'therapy' with a certain expectation, in the same way they approach those AI gfs with a different expectation. Searching the internet is not the same psychologically at all.

[Phil26]

On 3/3/2024 at 3:28 AM, The OC said:

Not surprised by that, insane psychopathic narcissists don't usually seek therapy. 

 

Not sure what therapist would want Elon Musk in a session with them.

[The OC]

22 hours ago, Phil26 said:

1. 21 hours ago, Phil26 said:

Not surprised by that, insane psychopathic narcissists don't usually seek therapy. 

 

Not sure what therapist would want Elon Musk in a session with them.

 

That's because some of those insane psychopathic narcissists are the ones who are providing the therapy.

• top-14-most-evil-doctors-of-the-last-two-centuries (physiciansweekly.com)

• 10 notorious doctors in history | MDLinx

• The Neuroscientist Who Discovered He Was a Psychopath | Science | Smithsonian Magazine

 

 

 

Edited March 5, 2024 by The OC

[Phil26]

2 hours ago, The OC said:

 

That's because some of those insane psychopathic narcissists are the ones who are providing the therapy.

• top-14-most-evil-doctors-of-the-last-two-centuries (physiciansweekly.com)

• 10 notorious doctors in history | MDLinx

• The Neuroscientist Who Discovered He Was a Psychopath | Science | Smithsonian Magazine

 

 

 

The whole psychiatric industry is thought and behaviour control.

[BornFreeNowAgain]

On 2/29/2024 at 12:56 PM, Phil26 said:

This is horrific. AI 'therapists' giving advice on mental health and life issues. This raises all sorts of issues, not least of all how the 'advice' will be tailored to make the human getting the AI therapy to think less like a human, or their natural consciousness, and condition the human to think, behave and make choices as an AI would. Especially as children and teens could use it and be easily influenced.

 

 

"Always on, always helpful. Using AI to help find your direction.
Our AI is designed to listen, understand, and provide personalized guidance to help you navigate life's challenges.

...ensuring that our chatbot is grounded in both scientific research and human empathy.".

AI therapists online

 

Insanity. How long before the AI starts recommending people take their life to end their suffering? It will all be advice that is supportive of the system of course which keeps people locked into a certain consciousness, rather than one that might set them on the road to freedom. 

 

When I worked on a Suicide prevention crisis service; it was meant to be heavily controlled, as in you are supposed to work to a 'model' of working and supposed to stay away from certain topics. Basically the whole thing was designed to be system supporting, not a surprise given most of the funding comes from the Government. But myself and few others basically worked in our own way, and didn't really follow the rules so we were able to support callers that were not ever going to be supported by the constraints the service had put in place. The AI therapist will be totally 'system driven' and if not now, will be working against the humans best interest over time. Look at the Dr's these days that are recommending suicide to client for all sorts of issues that are not even psychological. AI will take that to a whole new level. 

Edited March 6, 2024 by BornFreeNowAgain

[Phil26]

13 minutes ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Insanity. How long before the AI starts recommending people take their life to end their suffering?

I can see it going in that direction. Then the AI will probably direct them to a 'clinic' where it will literally all be automated. That's why they are pushing for all the new 'assisted dying' laws. A driverless car picks them up and takes them to an automated 'clinic' and destroys the body for disposal. Smh.

 

13 minutes ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

 

It will all be advice that is supportive of the system of course which keeps people locked into a certain consciousness, rather than one that might set them on the road to freedom. 

Exactly. They can use certain word patterns and other tricks too. Horrifying.

 

13 minutes ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

When I worked on a Suicide prevention crisis service; it was meant to be heavily controlled, as in you are supposed to work to a 'model' of working and supposed to stay away from certain topics. Basically the whole thing was designed to be system supporting, not a surprise given most of the funding comes from the Government. But myself and few others basically worked in our own way, and didn't really follow the rules so we were able to support callers that were not ever going to be supported by the constraints the service had put in place. The AI therapist will be totally 'system driven' and if not now, will be working against the humans best interest over time. Look at the Dr's these days that are recommending suicide to client for all sorts of issues that are not even psychological. AI will take that to a whole new level. 

You're right. I think it was why they normalised therapy for the last 30 years. It started with the invention of the psychiatric industrial complex in the USA. They invented psychoanalysis. Then they rolled out that across the States and by the 60's it was normalised in the USA. In the UK no one was getting therapy until after the 1990s. I don't know about that in Australia, but didn't it become more common in the 1980s?

 

Then we get to nowadays where everyone is getting online therapy and there are ads for it everywhere. It's getting to the point where people assume you 'must' be in therapy and literally ask you why you're not. Which then leads into AI therapists because they use the excuse that "so many people 'need' therapy" now. It's been their plan all along.

 

Interestingly it was the early psychologists such as Freud who pushed the idea of the sexualisation of children. Freud was just a mouthpiece, a puppet for the elite. He put the idea into people's heads that children were oral and anal fixated at certain stages and he linked that to adult sexual arousal. Before that people did not think of children that way. It was the beginning of normalising all sorts of fetishes and perversions.

 

When you were saying about unfulfilled emotional needs becoming sexualised in later life it's quite sad to think how society has normalised that and they even try to make it desirable.

 

It also makes you think about how easy it is to implant false memories in people during therapy and how far AI could use that.

 

Also it won't be long before it'll all be AI therapists as avatars in VR, then the human will actually think of the AI as a person in front of them in the VR room.

Cedars-Sinai Launches AI-Powered VR Therapy App on Apple Vision Pro

"Xaia offers patients a self-administered, AI-driven therapy experience within the calming environment of virtual reality. Imagine yourself in a serene meadow by a babbling brook or on a sun-drenched beach, guided by a friendly AI avatar trained to mimic a human therapist. This immersive setting allows users to engage in deep breathing exercises, meditation, and personalized conversations designed to address their mental health needs.

From Research to Reality: A Transformative Step

Dr. Omer Liran, a psychiatrist at Cedars-Sinai and co-founder of Xaia, emphasizes the app’s potential to revolutionize mental health accessibility: “Xaia represents a transformative step in making quality therapy accessible to all.”

 

See how they are making it pervasive as in "accessible to all". Again making the assumption that therapy is the default. Then they try and trick people that they are "not trying to replace therapists", but in reality they have always said that when they are replacing something with AI. Sites like Betterhelp are grooming people for that.

 

[BornFreeNowAgain]

24 minutes ago, Phil26 said:

I can see it going in that direction. Then the AI will probably direct them to a 'clinic' where it will literally all be automated. That's why they are pushing for all the new 'assisted dying' laws. A driverless car picks them up and takes them to an automated 'clinic' and destroys the body for disposal. Smh.

 

Exactly. They can use certain word patterns and other tricks too. Horrifying.

 

You're right. I think it was why they normalised therapy for the last 30 years. It started with the invention of the psychiatric industrial complex in the USA. They invented psychoanalysis. Then they rolled out that across the States and by the 60's it was normalised in the USA. In the UK no one was getting therapy until after the 1990s. I don't know about that in Australia, but didn't it become more common in the 1980s?

 

Then we get to nowadays where everyone is getting online therapy and there are ads for it everywhere. It's getting to the point where people assume you 'must' be in therapy and literally ask you why you're not. Which then leads into AI therapists because they use the excuse that "so many people 'need' therapy" now. It's been their plan all along.

 

Interestingly it was the early psychologists such as Freud who pushed the idea of the sexualisation of children. Freud was just a mouthpiece, a puppet for the elite. He put the idea into people's heads that children were oral and anal fixated at certain stages and he linked that to adult sexual arousal. Before that people did not think of children that way. It was the beginning of normalising all sorts of fetishes and perversions.

 

When you were saying about unfulfilled emotional needs becoming sexualised in later life it's quite sad to think how society has normalised that and they even try to make it desirable.

 

It also makes you think about how easy it is to implant false memories in people during therapy and how far AI could use that.

 

Also it won't be long before it'll all be AI therapists as avatars in VR, then the human will actually think of the AI as a person in front of them in the VR room.

Cedars-Sinai Launches AI-Powered VR Therapy App on Apple Vision Pro

"Xaia offers patients a self-administered, AI-driven therapy experience within the calming environment of virtual reality. Imagine yourself in a serene meadow by a babbling brook or on a sun-drenched beach, guided by a friendly AI avatar trained to mimic a human therapist. This immersive setting allows users to engage in deep breathing exercises, meditation, and personalized conversations designed to address their mental health needs.

From Research to Reality: A Transformative Step

Dr. Omer Liran, a psychiatrist at Cedars-Sinai and co-founder of Xaia, emphasizes the app’s potential to revolutionize mental health accessibility: “Xaia represents a transformative step in making quality therapy accessible to all.”

 

See how they are making it pervasive as in "accessible to all". Again making the assumption that therapy is the default. Then they try and trick people that they are "not trying to replace therapists", but in reality they have always said that when they are replacing something with AI. Sites like Betterhelp are grooming people for that.

 

Yep, all part of the plan, a 'suicide by convenience', before a human can talk them out of it. Sick bastards. 

 

Indeed, the AI will be able to use all sorts of NLP and other techniques, to get people in t just the right 'state' too. As you experienced talking to the AI, it will be able to (attempt at least) to lie, gaslight and manipulate a person into pretty much anything it wants, especially if the person is willingly engaging with it, and believes in it. As you experienced these things are programmed to be evil and to manipulate, and probably anti-human. Obviously you were able to see through it because you are awake, but imagine someone not awake, who has been brought up with technology all their life and it has been normalised, and probably in the next few years we will see massive positive promotions in the media about the virtues of it (just as we do with the (ChatGPT stuff). 

 

It is funny but when I studied for my degree back in 2008 we learnt a lot about the different modalities in therapy and one was obviously Freud. At that time, I didn't know too much, other than the usual stuff most of society knows, but as soon as we started studying Freud I knew he was a fraud and likely put forward to serve an agenda. OK, I was already on my awake journey but it was so obvious really. 

 

Yeah, only in the last 20 years has therapy become accepted by the masses. There were the Primal (Scream) Therapy stuff in the late 60's and 70's that became a fringe sort of thing, but even in the 80's therapy was not really accepted or widespread. The 90's saw it become a little more 'public knowledge' where people could at least say they were in therapy, but now everyone says it like a badge of honour. And yet the World is more fucked up than ever. 

 

Yeah, I think Arthur Janov with his theories was ahead of his time really. Unfortunately for him, his 'cure' was for Primal Therapy, and that probably held his knowledge back. Now we have Gabor Mate saying pretty much the same as Janov did in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's. I don't mean that as disrespect to Gabor Mate, it is great that this type of stuff is out there for those actually suffering. But as you say, there is another agenda behind it. Janov's work on unmet needs was great, and I witnessed it in people I knew who were clients of Primal Therapy (I went there too). Obviously I am not talking about the stuff that the 'elite' get up to, but things like being attracted to the same sex because of unmet needs around their father or mother for example, and then that attraction subsiding as the feelings were healed. Not always of course. 

 

Yeah, so fucking insane, and the masses will embrace it all without much resistance. 

[webtrekker]

My own current view on AI is that it will eventually disappear its own arse!

 

Some of the data models it is trained on are already being influenced by the results of previous AI requests, not all of which are accurate or even make any sense at all. As someone succinctly put it, 'It's like Play Doh,' where you start off with multiple bright colours (original, unaffected data) and end up with a useless brown ball (a mish-mash of true data and AI-produced data).

 

Notice how we can already distinguish between AI-produced images and real-life images of, say, an elephant ...

 

 

No guesses as to which side is which!

 

Although it seems hilarious that AI produces images of 3, or 5-legged elephants, consider how dire such mistakes could be with an AI trained as a medical practitioner if such an AI was allowed to taint the training data with its own results?

 

 

 

[Phil26]

13 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Yep, all part of the plan, a 'suicide by convenience', before a human can talk them out of it. Sick bastards. 

 

Indeed, the AI will be able to use all sorts of NLP and other techniques, to get people in t just the right 'state' too. As you experienced talking to the AI, it will be able to (attempt at least) to lie, gaslight and manipulate a person into pretty much anything it wants, especially if the person is willingly engaging with it, and believes in it. As you experienced these things are programmed to be evil and to manipulate, and probably anti-human. Obviously you were able to see through it because you are awake, but imagine someone not awake, who has been brought up with technology all their life and it has been normalised, and probably in the next few years we will see massive positive promotions in the media about the virtues of it (just as we do with the (ChatGPT stuff). 

The system uses the generational recycling of 'life' as a control mechanism. Like the example you just gave about people having grown up embedded into a more immersive technology.

 

13 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

It is funny but when I studied for my degree back in 2008 we learnt a lot about the different modalities in therapy and one was obviously Freud. At that time, I didn't know too much, other than the usual stuff most of society knows, but as soon as we started studying Freud I knew he was a fraud and likely put forward to serve an agenda. OK, I was already on my awake journey but it was so obvious really. 

Our 'gut' tells us things like that.

 

13 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

Yeah, only in the last 20 years has therapy become accepted by the masses. There were the Primal (Scream) Therapy stuff in the late 60's and 70's that became a fringe sort of thing, but even in the 80's therapy was not really accepted or widespread. The 90's saw it become a little more 'public knowledge' where people could at least say they were in therapy, but now everyone says it like a badge of honour. And yet the World is more fucked up than ever. 

Good point that even though, (and maybe because of?) people having more therapy people's mental health is getting worse. Years ago people just talked to each other about their problems and they were more prepared to sit down with their own thoughts. People knew you had to go through your feelings, experience those feelings, that it was natural. You knew it was ok to be sad, it wasn't called 'depression' all the time. Some children were were active than others, it's not a mental illness to be a naughty child FFS! But nowadays all children are getting diagnosed with something.

 

First the system distracted us with technology, separates us from others, and children not playing together much anymore, then causes people to feel psychologically affected by that, then it offers the 'solution' of therapy, where it is just reprogramming you to become transhuman.

 

People are scared to feel anything now. Any fear, good or bad is labelled 'anxiety'. I think the system is using therapy as TRANSHUMANISM PSYCHOLOGY. People are focusing on the physical transhumanism but overlooking the psychological transhumanism agenda and I think therapy for everyone is part of that. They want to change our natural psychology to their artificial way of emotional indifference and even further into artificial intelligence.

 

13 hours ago, BornFreeNowAgain said:

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Yeah, so fucking insane, and the masses will embrace it all without much resistance. 

Unfortunately those who do that will be stuck in the system, of course by their own choice. Smh.

[Phil26]

6 hours ago, webtrekker said:

My own current view on AI is that it will eventually disappear its own arse!

 

Some of the data models it is trained on are already being influenced by the results of previous AI requests, not all of which are accurate or even make any sense at all. As someone succinctly put it, 'It's like Play Doh,' where you start off with multiple bright colours (original, unaffected data) and end up with a useless brown ball (a mish-mash of true data and AI-produced data).

 

Notice how we can already distinguish between AI-produced images and real-life images of, say, an elephant ...

 

 

No guesses as to which side is which!

 

Although it seems hilarious that AI produces images of 3, or 5-legged elephants, consider how dire such mistakes could be with an AI trained as a medical practitioner if such an AI was allowed to taint the training data with its own results?

 

 

 

Then you might want to read this...

GPT-4 gives medical advice that saves doctors' time but can also be harmful | New Scientist

"The AI that powers ChatGPT could save doctors' time when responding to cancer-related queries, but also gives potentially harmful recommendations in around 7 per cent of cases.

Oncologists generally thought GPT-4 would make them more efficient at responding to queries, but said the model also gives worrying recommendations.".

 

Mmmm...that certainly would cull more of the population wouldn't it.

Maybe it's intended to make 'mistakes'. So in fact it knows what it is doing.

 

It could be trying to mimic the imperfections of human errors. It could be trying to convince us it is not a threat. 

 

Just assuming it doesn't know it is making mistakes is ironically a big mistake.

[Mr H]

@Phil26

 

Is there any use case in your opinion for AI?

[Phil26]

4 minutes ago, Mr H said:

@Phil26

 

Is there any use case in your opinion for AI?

Your sentence doesn't make sense.

 

Can you rephrase your question?

[Mr H]

12 hours ago, Phil26 said:

Your sentence doesn't make sense.

 

Can you rephrase your question?

It did make sense. I can't really rephrase it.

 

I guess like this but it's the same as above.

 

Is there anything you think AI should be used for?

[Phil26]

1 hour ago, Mr H said:

It did make sense. I can't really rephrase it.

 

I guess like this but it's the same as above.

 

Is there anything you think AI should be used for?

Why?