Mr H Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) I guess my question to you is. Ok Hamas killed a 1000 or so people. If you're a biblical person who believes in biblical justice you could make logical argument for retribution of a 1000 Palestinians. Eye for an eye the jews believe in apparently... But 60,000, destroying the whole place, hundred's thousands injured, hundreds thousands starving....it doesn't even make biblical justice sense. It screams of pure evil. I don't know how you support it? The people they're killing didn't even do anything! Edited June 21 by Mr H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 14 minutes ago, Mr H said: I think you been listening to Douglas Murray too much. I have no idea who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 @Mr H If Egypt opened the border Palestinians could leave and enter Egypt. Egypt won't allow it. Where's your condemnation of Egypt? I missed that bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 10 minutes ago, pi3141 said: I have no idea who he is. He's a well known self proclaimed historian and pundit who makes the exact argument as you. Has zero compassion for Palestinian innocent deaths, "coz they started it". Even though if we look at historical "who started it" justifications, they clearly didn't start anything.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 2 minutes ago, pi3141 said: @Mr H If Egypt opened the border Palestinians could leave and enter Egypt. Egypt won't allow it. Where's your condemnation of Egypt? I missed that bit. Coincidentally another Douglas Murray argument. You're not twins? What does this have to do with supporting Israeli actions in Palestine? If aliens came down and evacuated Palestine it would be ok too right? shall I condemn aliens. It's simple to me. I look at the folks actually doing the killing, starving and mass destruction of homes, and say. I do not agree! It's evil. It's that simple..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 1 minute ago, Mr H said: t's simple to me. I look at the folks actually doing the killing, starving and mass destruction of homes, and say. I do not agree! It's evil. It's that simple..... Same for me. I look at the folks doing the killing, the rape and mutilation of babies and say, I do not agree. I then look at their ideology, their stated aim to genocide all Jews and establish sharia law globally and I say, I don't agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 There's a lot of "if" arguments you make. If Israel didn't do this then x would happen. If Egypt did this then everything would be ok. Your eyes are in everyone else except the ones actually pulling the trigger. My position should be clear. Stop pulling the trigger. Sometimes these nos get lost. But have a real think how many people 60,000 is, hundreds thousands injured, starved. It's like the entire town you live in murdered, gone, demolished. It's not just a no on the internet. Real actual people @pi3141 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 8 minutes ago, Mr H said: There's a lot of "if" arguments you make. If Israel didn't do this then x would happen. If Egypt did this then everything would be ok. There was not a single 'if' argument in my previous post. 9 minutes ago, Mr H said: Your eyes are in everyone else except the ones actually pulling the trigger. My position should be clear. Stop pulling the trigger. It was Hamas that pulled the trigger, it was Hamas that raped, tortured and took hostages, it is Hamas who have stated their intention to genocide the Jews. Hamas are doing this, Israel is responding to the threat. Before October 7th I supported the Palestinian people and viewed the Israeli as occupiers. Reading up on the ideology of Hamas and watching the inhumane treatment of innocents by Hamas 'soldiers' i don't like to call them soldiers, because real soldiers don't behave that way, I've changed my mind. I now see the threat extreme Islam presents to the world. So do the Muslims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) 22 minutes ago, pi3141 said: Same for me. I look at the folks doing the killing, the rape and mutilation of babies and say, I do not agree. I then look at their ideology, their stated aim to genocide all Jews and establish sharia law globally and I say, I don't agree. Is that the position of the Palestinian people? Don't they just wanna go to school, eat, shit and sleep in peace like the rest of us? Edited June 21 by Mr H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Mr H said: Don't they just wanna go to school, eat, shit and sleep in peace like the rest of us? Yes i think so, I'm sure they just want peace. But they've been taken over by an extreme group with an extreme ideology. This won't end until the Muslims themselves kick out extremitism like they did in Egypt and now Jordan. Edit: you do know that if a Palestinian spoke against Hamas, that would be treason punishable by death? Edited June 21 by pi3141 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 1 minute ago, pi3141 said: Yes i think so, I'm sure they just want peace. But they've been taken over by an extreme group with an extreme ideology. This won't end until the Muslims themselves kick out extremitism like they did in Egypt and now Jordan. Well I don't know how you know all Palestinian think like this. I personally doubt it. No doubt there are some crazies there. But why are they like this? Because they were kicked out of their land and imprisoned for decades. I mean if the Jews in the concentration camps managed to get weapons would you blame them for wanting to kill the Nazis? It's the chicken and egg again and both camps can make a valid argument. But these are argument, words, thoughts. Deaths, starvation, injury, homelessness are real. It should not happen. No one with a heart would do this. And it doesn't stop it, it futhers it. You just breed more crazies. There is no sense to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 4 minutes ago, Mr H said: It's the chicken and egg again and both camps can make a valid argument. But these are argument, words, thoughts. Deaths, starvation, injury, homelessness are real. It should not happen. No one with a heart would do this. And it doesn't stop it, it futhers it. You just breed more crazies. There is no sense to it. Absolutely agree. But we're here now, you either let extremitism win and spread out over the globe, or you confront it. Many muslim women will want this extremitism stopped, and many Muslim men, they are mostly peaceful folk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 1 minute ago, pi3141 said: Absolutely agree. But we're here now, you either let extremitism win and spread out over the globe, or you confront it. Many muslim women will want this extremitism stopped, and many Muslim men, they are mostly peaceful folk. If we look at the actions of both sides recently. 1000 killed by Hammas, 60,000 killed by Israeli. I would suggest the extremists here going by the numbers is Israel. We have to create stories to make it not so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 Ive said it before and I'll say it again. This situation has mostly been created by the West. We should hang our heads in shame for what the West has done in our name over the last century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 5 minutes ago, Mr H said: If we look at the actions of both sides recently. 1000 killed by Hammas, 60,000 killed by Israeli. I would suggest the extremists here going by the numbers is Israel. We have to create stories to make it not so. Matthew 7.16 By their fruit you will recognize them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Mr H said: Matthew 7.16 By their fruit you will recognize them Sharia Law. Look at the fruits of that. Women forced to wear black sacks in unbearable heat, not allowed to leave the house without a man's permission, not allowed to study, drive a car or speak publicly, and if you leave, they kill you. Beheading, Stoning and amputation as punishments. Do the Jews do that? Have you ever watched a Stoning? Edited June 21 by pi3141 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 (edited) Taliban affirms that stoning will be punishment for adulterers — especially women May 8, 20248:45 AM ET By Ruchi Kumar We will flog the women ... we will stone them to death in public [for crimes]," said Haibatullah Akhundzada, the Taliban's supreme leader, in an audio message issued on March 24. Akhundzada – who hasn't been seen in public in a decade – reiterated the group's previous stance on public floggings and stonings, particularly against women. Link - https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2024/05/08/1242306960/taliban-affirms-that-stoning-will-be-punishment-for-adulterers-especially-women BY THEIR FRUITS. Edited June 21 by pi3141 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 (edited) When they stone a woman to death, she has to be buried up to her waist. This prevents her from exposing her private parts whilst being murdered. It protects her modesty and prevents a man throwing stones from getting aroused or having impure thoughts. Its a group event and everyone is encouraged, in some places forced, to watch and participate. BY THEIR FRUITS. Edited June 21 by pi3141 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 1 hour ago, pi3141 said: Sharia Law. Look at the fruits of that. Women forced to wear black sacks in unbearable heat, not allowed to leave the house without a man's permission, not allowed to study, drive a car or speak publicly, and if you leave, they kill you. Beheading, Stoning and amputation as punishments. Do the Jews do that? Have you ever watched a Stoning? This is a different point. The argument for Israel's actions is, if they didn't do it Hamas might.........the reality is, Israel IS killing masses of Palestinians, the majority completely innocent. As for Sharia law. It doesn't sound great does it? I don't think the solution is to kill them and enforce our more pleasant version of slavery. I don't know too much about the reality of it. From what I know, stonings, are rare and used as a deterrent. If you look at Islamic country's crime rates vs the west, it's pretty much non existent. As for women being slaves. I'm sure it's the case in some cases. But whenever I've spoken to Muslim women who use the burka it's because they want too. Same with men. They are forced to wear certain clothes too and banned from wearing others, but not really spoken about. If you look at footage of much of Tehran for example it does seem that women have more choice than the media have us believe, many not wearing the burka. But do I think Sharia law is a good idea? No not personally. But this doesn't derail my position that Israel should not be demolishing an entire civilisation, killing tens of thousands of innocents. Has anyone in recent times under Sharia law killed tens of thousands of innocents? Demolished entire civilisation? Starved hundreds of thousands? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbirss Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 israel and usa sabotaged iran's nuclear program in order to drag it into war colonization moves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Just seems like projection to me... The Muslims are the evil ones....yet the ones actually committing mass murder the past centuries are the so called good civilized guys from the West....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 This teaching was given in a London mosque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 25 minutes ago, Mr H said: I don't know too much about the reality of it. From what I know, stonings, are rare and used as a deterrent. If you look at Islamic country's crime rates vs the west, it's pretty much non existent. Taliban issues 37 stoning orders since takeover of Afghanistan by Amu TV July 25, 2024 Link - https://amu.tv/112543/ Let me find the Saudi numbers and the Isis numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 U.N. body tells Saudi Arabia to end child stonings, executions By Stephanie Nebehay October 7, 201610:01 AM GMT+1Updated October 7, 2016 Link - https://www.reuters.com/article/world/un-body-tells-saudi-arabia-to-end-child-stonings-executions-idUSKCN1270SM/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 3 minutes ago, pi3141 said: This teaching was given in a London mosque. Well it looks like we have evidence and we have laws against hate speech. So why not arrest these folks? Almost like folks here want this stuff to go on......... cause divisions and justify wars... It's of course not representative of most Islamic folks. If you had a camera in their homes, you'd probably see them, eating, sleeping and shitting like the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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